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(News.com.au)   Whole grains are good for you. Oh, wait, scratch that...THEY'RE GOING TO KILL YOU   (news.com.au) divider line 112
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2013-11-18 11:52:01 PM
Hmmm, that DOES explain why humans haven't made any progress since our hunter/gatherer days. Damn you, agriculture!
 
2013-11-19 12:11:57 AM
and completely doesnt explain any of the mutations which allow us to digest grains
 
2013-11-19 12:27:13 AM
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/wheat and wheat byproducts
 
2013-11-19 12:28:09 AM
Whole grain may cause the following symptoms: itchy rashes, full body hair loss, projectile vomiting, gigantic eyeball, the condition known as "hotdog fingers", children born with the head of a golden retriever, seeing the dead, bone liquification, possession by the Prince of Darkness...
 
2013-11-19 12:30:10 AM
Can the "forced your kid to have Ritz crackers" teacher be sued for poisoning the child?
 
2013-11-19 12:30:12 AM

Mad_Radhu: Whole grain may cause the following symptoms: itchy rashes, full body hair loss, projectile vomiting, gigantic eyeball, the condition known as "hotdog fingers", children born with the head of a golden retriever, seeing the dead, bone liquification, possession by the Prince of Darkness...


There is something going on here that I don't understand.
 
2013-11-19 12:30:20 AM
Well, over the past few weeks I've returned bread to my diet as a regular part and I've been feeling fuzzy. I mean, I've only added constantly building creative subs to my diet of mostly rum and frozen veggies.
 
2013-11-19 12:30:49 AM
QUACK QUACK QUACK

/ordering a pizza
 
2013-11-19 12:31:29 AM
The Grains & Legumes Nutrition Council (GLNC) strongly contests the theories put forward in Dr Perlmutter's book.

www.avsforum.com
 
2013-11-19 12:32:01 AM
This man is self-evidently a crank. Why is it getting such play in the media? I find this confounding.
 
2013-11-19 12:32:43 AM
I think this farker is full of shiat

The reason is simple: every farking thing that you do has an effect on your health. Micromanaging down to that level is simply retarded.
 
2013-11-19 12:35:16 AM
Quick, someone tell Asia.

Really, this is some sensationalist bullshiat.
 
2013-11-19 12:37:35 AM

GRCooper: Hmmm, that DOES explain why humans haven't made any progress since our hunter/gatherer days. Damn you, agriculture!


Was gonna say. Haven't we been eating grains for thousands of years?
 
2013-11-19 12:37:40 AM
You are all going to die! No really. Literally every single one of you. So Quit being a snatch and eat what you like.
 
2013-11-19 12:38:00 AM
In b4 "paleo" nutballs
 
2013-11-19 12:39:12 AM
It would be very hard to stick to his reccomended diet throughout the day. I hope he puts out his own brand of food and snacks that I can purchase so that I don't have to constantly be thinking about it.
 
2013-11-19 12:43:29 AM
damn it I have to to make some money off of people's fears

1-buy up the country's supply of fish heads
2-write book, give speeches, infomercials explaining the life rejuvenating benefits of fish head juice
3-rolly polly PROFIT

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-11-19 12:45:23 AM
I'll believe it when I see it in a peer-reviewed journal.

Any idiot can write a book.  Hell, Sarah Palin has "written" three.
 
2013-11-19 12:45:36 AM

cman: I think this farker is full of shiat

The reason is simple: every farking thing that you do has an effect on your health. Micromanaging down to that level is simply retarded.


this x 10
 
2013-11-19 12:46:07 AM
grass-fed beef, and wild caught fish

Not enough resources on this planet for all 7 billion to be eating these on a regular basis.
 
2013-11-19 12:50:02 AM
My little brother died from injecting 5 whole grains. Whole grains, not even once!
 
2013-11-19 12:51:26 AM
Here's hoping that fermentation takes out whatever parts are purportedly dangerous.
 
2013-11-19 12:57:15 AM

GRCooper: Hmmm, that DOES explain why humans haven't made any progress since our hunter/gatherer days. Damn you, agriculture!


Well, you have to admit, when we were just hunter-gatherers you'd almost never see an 80-year-old suffering from dementia.

Take that!
 
2013-11-19 12:57:23 AM
So one neurologist who is trying to sell a book.

localhs.com
 
2013-11-19 01:01:16 AM
What the fark do Eskimos eat? They sure as shiat can't plant anything in the frozen ground. Eating grain is only a recent invention in our evolutionary time scale. And since Eskimos have started to eat modern diets, obesity and other diseases have increased.

What If personally you tried one of those paleo diets and lost weight by not consuming grains or potatoes, maybe this doctor is not so much a quack after all.
 
2013-11-19 01:03:05 AM

Fart_Machine: So one neurologist who is trying to sell a book.

[localhs.com image 250x272]


Came to say this.

This isn't the "SUGAR IS POISON" guy, is it?
 
2013-11-19 01:03:54 AM

12349876: grass-fed beef, and wild caught fish

Not enough resources on this planet for all 7 billion to be eating these on a regular basis.


How about grain-fed pork?
 
2013-11-19 01:04:15 AM

in2it: What the fark do Eskimos eat? They sure as shiat can't plant anything in the frozen ground. Eating grain is only a recent invention in our evolutionary time scale. And since Eskimos have started to eat modern diets, obesity and other diseases have increased.

What If personally you tried one of those paleo diets and lost weight by not consuming grains or potatoes, maybe this doctor is not so much a quack after all.


Nope, this guy is still a quack.
 
2013-11-19 01:04:58 AM

UsikFark: 12349876: grass-fed beef, and wild caught fish

Not enough resources on this planet for all 7 billion to be eating these on a regular basis.

How about grain-fed pork?


A much better chance, but this dude would probably complain about that too.
 
2013-11-19 01:05:21 AM
And WTF???  Out central nervous system runs on carbs and our nerves need cholesterol to send signals.
 
2013-11-19 01:08:26 AM
So, my Mom was right...

www.classicexhibits.com
 
2013-11-19 01:08:52 AM

Mad_Radhu: Whole grain may cause the following symptoms: itchy rashes, full body hair loss, projectile vomiting, gigantic eyeball, the condition known as "hotdog fingers", children born with the head of a golden retriever, seeing the dead, bone liquification, possession by the Prince of Darkness...


So, is there a downside then?
 
2013-11-19 01:09:08 AM
The guy's main issue is gluten. If I switch to oats am I good?

Even the nut from the legume council said:

"When the total body of evidence is considered, it is clear the claims that all carbohydrate foods, particularly grain foods, are harmful to the majority of the population don't stack up. In fact the book contradicts this main premise, as Dr Perlmutter's dietary recommendations allow a range of carbohydrate foods in moderation including grains such as amaranth, buckwheat, rice, millet, quinoa, sorghum, teff, oats as well as legumes, fruit and dairy."
 
2013-11-19 01:11:16 AM

meat0918: And WTF???  Out central nervous system runs on carbs and our nerves need cholesterol to send signals.


Our nerves need potassium to function, without potassium you would die.  That means we should injest/inject as much potassium as possible into our bodies.
 
2013-11-19 01:11:33 AM

12349876: UsikFark: 12349876: grass-fed beef, and wild caught fish

Not enough resources on this planet for all 7 billion to be eating these on a regular basis.

How about grain-fed pork?

A much better chance, but this dude would probably complain about that too.


Well, the more pigs you raise, the more you have to dump in the river.

In the months since authorities fished out more than 10,000 dead pigs from Huangpu River and its tributaries in March, farmers still appear to be disposing of the carcasses the same way.
 
2013-11-19 01:12:36 AM

zelachang: meat0918: And WTF???  Out central nervous system runs on carbs and our nerves need cholesterol to send signals.

Our nerves need potassium to function, without potassium you would die.  That means we should injest/inject as much potassium as possible into our bodies.


I'll squeeze his IV bag.
 
2013-11-19 01:13:24 AM

tetsoushima: in2it: What the fark do Eskimos eat? They sure as shiat can't plant anything in the frozen ground. Eating grain is only a recent invention in our evolutionary time scale. And since Eskimos have started to eat modern diets, obesity and other diseases have increased.

What If personally you tried one of those paleo diets and lost weight by not consuming grains or potatoes, maybe this doctor is not so much a quack after all.

Nope, this guy is still a quack.


What are your credentials or life experiences to say otherwise. If you tried one of these diets first hand and experienced the benefits the doctor mentions, wouldn't you question the current nutritional regime?

Sometimes these people are not so much trying to make a quick buck but rather trying to educate and improve peoples lives?
 
2013-11-19 01:18:21 AM
I could see how if you tried to reconcile all the advice you might become a breatharian.

/Don't become a breatharian.
 
2013-11-19 01:20:45 AM

in2it: Sometimes these people are not so much trying to make a quick buck but rather trying to educate and improve peoples lives?


That's a very optimistic view of the world you have.
 
2013-11-19 01:24:34 AM
You know what's great?

In the age of Google, it takes all of 10 seconds to stick this name into google search and find you that:

1. He's just an MD, not a researcher or even an MD/PhD
2. He's an anti-gluten nut, aka a conspiracy theorist of the fluoride in water is a mind control drug / vaccines cause autism variety

and it takes only another 15 seconds to switch to Google Scholar, type in his name, and see that no actual research on the subject of diet or dementia has been published with him as a contributor.

// Know what's embarrassing?  That apparently people paid to be farking journalists never thought to do this and save their network from treating a crackpot as legitimate.

// Being a medical doctor does not mean your opinions on non-medical things are magically automatically valid or even insightful.  Especially when you're making extraordinary claims like this that could easily get you a first-author credit in Nature if they were actually even remotely credible.
 
2013-11-19 01:25:27 AM
This just in.  The more you process food the worse it is for you.
 
2013-11-19 01:26:52 AM

in2it: tetsoushima: in2it: What the fark do Eskimos eat? They sure as shiat can't plant anything in the frozen ground. Eating grain is only a recent invention in our evolutionary time scale. And since Eskimos have started to eat modern diets, obesity and other diseases have increased.

What If personally you tried one of those paleo diets and lost weight by not consuming grains or potatoes, maybe this doctor is not so much a quack after all.

Nope, this guy is still a quack.

What are your credentials or life experiences to say otherwise. If you tried one of these diets first hand and experienced the benefits the doctor mentions, wouldn't you question the current nutritional regime?

Sometimes these people are not so much trying to make a quick buck but rather trying to educate and improve peoples lives?


I got my degree in food science from UConn, graduating Summa Cum Laude in 2003.  I finished my Masters in Biochemistry at the University of Wisconsin, Madison in 2008.  I just finished my PhD in Nutritional Sciences this past May at Penn State.  I'm currently assisting with a double blind randomized placebo controlled study on gluten allergies at Penn State.

/I just made all that up.
//The guy's still a quack!!!
 
2013-11-19 01:30:00 AM

mrlewish: This just in.  The more you process food the worse it is for you.


Someone should tell our digestive systems.
 
2013-11-19 01:31:30 AM
My family is from Bosnia Herzegovina. Everyone lives to at least 85, and all they eat is smoked ham, bacon, and cheese. Tons of bread too. This might explain the strokes and old cognicent age.
 
2013-11-19 01:32:59 AM

in2it: What are your credentials or life experiences to say otherwise. If you tried one of these diets first hand and experienced the benefits the doctor mentions, wouldn't you question the current nutritional regime?


I'm a professional research scientist with access to several databases (including Google Scholar, the one you can also access) of papers, abstracts, and titles, that allow me to establish very easily whether someone is an actual scientist and whether they've actually done any kind of research in the the field they're making extraordinary claims about.

90% of the time with stories like this, they haven't published dick, so I can safely stop there and dismiss them as a crank, because that's what you are if you're writing a pop-science book claiming new scientific knowledge but haven't published that knowledge into an actual science publication.

The other 10% of the time I can read the paper, and the majority of the time it doesn't actually support the claims of the news article... so, y'know, skepticism about this kind of thing is pretty well-justified even if the expert in question is actually an expert.  Journalists love to stretch science claims until they're no longer true.
 
2013-11-19 01:35:01 AM

12349876: grass-fed beef, and wild caught fish

Not enough resources on this planet for all 7 billion to be eating these on a regular basis.


Well, he didn't say three times a day...
 
2013-11-19 01:38:54 AM
While I'm not one to support unpublished work, if you do a lit search for "gluten mice" you can find a number of studies on how gluten affects the immune system in mice.

Granted, we're not mice so the results are limited, but it wouldn't be outlandish to suggest that gluten may have some effect on some people's health.  What kind of genetic background is necessary for an effect, and how severe that effect would be are up in the air but it's worth further inquiry IMO.
 
2013-11-19 01:40:52 AM
Just had to explain to an anti-bread co-worker the basics of carbohydrate chemistry the other day. They were claiming that bread wasn't a good source of complex carbs and was simply empty calories and 'light weight carbs.' Sometimes I feel like I was the only person who ever paid attention in Biology..

/csb
 
2013-11-19 01:42:48 AM

Fart_Machine: So one neurologist who is trying to sell a book.

[localhs.com image 250x272]


THIS.

David Perlmutter, a renowned neurologist and president of the Perlmutter Health Center in Naples, Florida
 
2013-11-19 01:42:52 AM

GodComplex: Just had to explain to an anti-bread co-worker the basics of carbohydrate chemistry the other day. They were claiming that bread wasn't a good source of complex carbs and was simply empty calories and 'light weight carbs.' Sometimes I feel like I was the only person who ever paid attention in Biology..

/csb


If you could give us a refresher it would be much appreciated... I could use a bit of a primer for the next time I have to deal with an anti-bread nut.
 
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