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(Digital Journal)   Vancouver bans doorknobs. That's it. There is no joke   (digitaljournal.com ) divider line
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2013-11-18 05:31:00 PM  
They obviously just want to cut down on vigilantism

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2013-11-18 05:39:06 PM  
So that's what a doorknob looks like.
 
2013-11-18 05:52:58 PM  
I can see doing this in commercial buildings or apartment buildings, but in single family homes? Let people choose their own knobs
 
2013-11-18 06:02:23 PM  
They say they're doing it for the handicapped, but do the new levers beep when a blind person gets near it so the blind person can find the handle?

No, I didn't think so.

This is strictly for snob appeal.

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2013-11-18 06:06:50 PM  
I've always been more of a knocker fan, myself
 
2013-11-18 06:12:22 PM  
Public buildings have been doing this for years. No big deal. It plainly says that after their building is finished and passed inspection you can put regular knobs back on the doors.
 
2013-11-18 06:12:32 PM  
SAFETY
 
2013-11-18 06:13:55 PM  
"You can't put a square peg in a round hole, and if you build it, they might come. But Vancouver has found a way of opening the door to a new trend in construction, by simply changing the building code."

... HUH?  That doesn't even make sense!
 
2013-11-18 06:14:06 PM  
God I hate Vancouver so much.
 
2013-11-18 06:14:14 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: They say they're doing it for the handicapped, but do the new levers beep when a blind person gets near it so the blind person can find the handle?


Regular doorknobs don't beep either, so if a blind person can find a doorknob, he can find a lever in the same place where a doorknob would have been.
 
2013-11-18 06:14:56 PM  
Levers always look better anyway.  Downwith the doorknobs!

/Also like knockers
/KIE please
 
2013-11-18 06:15:43 PM  
Where do I mount the lever?

www.trustile.com
 
2013-11-18 06:15:56 PM  
Meh. Well, looks like they're phasing out a segment of my niche porn.

Hopefully, no one is thinking of banning bed posts.
 
2013-11-18 06:16:44 PM  
They want the velociraptors to be able to access the "soft centres" in all those new buildings.  :D
 
2013-11-18 06:19:24 PM  
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/Hates minimum code.
//Makes It Right
 
2013-11-18 06:20:05 PM  
As an architect in the US, I haven't specified a door knob on anything larger than a single family residence in ages.

You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.


I don't know how it works in CAN, but here, the ADA rules arent building "codes", so much as gudelines you must comply to, in the way they look for fire egress and occupancy violations. That is to say, the plan reviewer in town hall wont hold back your permit if you are in violation of ADA, however, the building owner is open to civil suits if it gets built that way and someone catches on.
 
2013-11-18 06:22:28 PM  

LemSkroob: You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.


ADA forbids door locks?

Good to know.
 
2013-11-18 06:22:29 PM  
If you think about it, levers are easier to manipulate, especially if our arms are full of packages or our fingers are gnarled with arthritis.

Only if you have something to apply leverage against... Try a thumb lever with your hands full of shiat. Better yet, try a lever like in a house with your hand full of shiat, and the door opening towards you. It's not really "easier", now is it? Farking stupid.

And I like the user who points out that after the house/building is finished, you can go through and change them all.  Because Doorknobs are something like 10 cents apiece, right?
 
2013-11-18 06:22:37 PM  
"Vancouver bans doorknobs. That's it. There is no joke "

Vancouver did NOT ban doorknobs.  Subby's comprehension skills are the joke.  That's it.
 
2013-11-18 06:22:59 PM  
Maybe the building code people were paid off by the Union of Dog Scientists (UDS):

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2013-11-18 06:23:10 PM  

This text is now purple: Where do I mount the lever?

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You mount a vertical pull bar, a few inches in from the edge. Yes, it can't slide completely into the pocket, but such is life.


Besides, in a private space to an accessory use (like a closet), sliders are fine. However, they do not meet egress code requirements for emergency function in public space.
 
2013-11-18 06:24:11 PM  

This text is now purple: Where do I mount the lever?

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That door is now illegal.
 
2013-11-18 06:25:01 PM  

TheSteamingPile: God I hate Vancouver so much.


Everything I know about Vancouver I learned from DaVinci's Inquest.

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2013-11-18 06:25:39 PM  

This text is now purple: LemSkroob: You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.

ADA forbids door locks?

Good to know.


Certain types, yes. for a locking door to be ADA compliant, the inside space (secure side) should be unlockable with a compliant thumb turn (most suppliers indicate if their hardware is compliant. In large public spaces, with a push bar.
 
2013-11-18 06:26:37 PM  
Stainton points out there are examples of the concept all around us, so many, in fact, that we don't really pay any attention to them. Take for example "cut curbs" on street corners. They make it easier for the handicapped and mothers with baby strollers to get up or down from a sidewalk.

Yeah, that was government mandated, disabilities stuff, but disabled people can still open doors. Better yet, in their PRIVATE homes, they can add levers if THEY want to.

Another example is the sound an alarm makes. A deaf person would not hear it, so alarms also have a bright red flashing light.

Sorry, dude... They didn't add flashing lights to alarms so that the deaf folks could call the cops.

The same holds true for the visually-impaired eating in a restaurant. A solid white plate on a solid white table cover is difficult to see, so most places use plates with a design and some color in them.

A: I've been plenty of places that have plates similar in color to the table of the tablecloth.

B: While some people may do it for an overall "look", I've never once been in a restaurant that insisted that they used high contrast plates so that blind people could eat.
 
2013-11-18 06:27:27 PM  
Great. Now it's even easier for the zombies to get inside.
 
2013-11-18 06:27:30 PM  
90% of the life of an architect isnt spent sketching or rendering in 3D software. Its spent sweating over door and hardware schedules.
 
2013-11-18 06:28:04 PM  

ZMugg: Maybe the building code people were paid off by the Union of Dog Scientists (UDS):

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I had a cat who could operate doorknobs. On pull doors, even.

\Only thing that lazy-ass cat would do for itself.
 
2013-11-18 06:28:48 PM  

LemSkroob: You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.


That means every grocery store that I've been in is non-compliant. Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to get the lawsuits ready. Walmart, Best Buy, Home Depot. Holy crap., anyone else want to take on a few of these handicapped-hating bastards? I can't sue 'em all...
 
2013-11-18 06:29:02 PM  
Someday I hope the US becomes as forward thinking as Canada...........of course we'd have to have a talk with gun owners.
 
2013-11-18 06:30:20 PM  
You know that it's really quite fascinating to me that nobody I know gives a damn about this at all. I figured someone on my Facebook would get up in arms about it, but everybody sees the benefit, didn't care before anyways or liked it a lot. It's so weird how this isn't weird.
 
2013-11-18 06:30:22 PM  

The Bruce Dickinson: "Vancouver bans doorknobs. That's it. There is no joke "

Vancouver did NOT ban doorknobs.  Subby's comprehension skills are the joke.  That's it.


FTA: "A new rule has been added saying all doors and faucets in any new construction will be required to have levers."

You cannot build a new structure that has a doorknob. Full stop.
 
2013-11-18 06:30:25 PM  
I wonder how long it will be before some toddler discovers how easy the lever is. Or some dog opens a door and runs outside to be shot by the police.Oh, wait, this is in Canada, people are responsible there.
 
2013-11-18 06:30:34 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I've always been more of a knocker fan, myself


Dr. Knockers?

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2013-11-18 06:32:24 PM  

This text is now purple: Where do I mount the lever?

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I hate pocket doors... They're a pain in the ass, they're usually made of shoddy hardware, and they're hard to service, replace and install... OTOH, those actually look nice.
 
2013-11-18 06:32:56 PM  
If I'm approaching a door with my hands full or groceries or boxes or whatever, I really prefer something I can open with my elbow.

/or my butt, but that's just for cardlocks
 
2013-11-18 06:33:30 PM  
I was just pricing those at Lowes the other day, the cheapest interior door ones start at about $25 and go up from there, where the regular interior knobs start at about $6.
 
2013-11-18 06:34:00 PM  
Austin TX already did this too, to take effect in 2016, including all new construction single family homes. They're also requires ramps on houses. Seriously.

Have you ever tried baby proofing a lever handle? It kinda sucks.
 
2013-11-18 06:34:23 PM  

This text is now purple: LemSkroob: You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.

ADA forbids door locks?

Good to know.


I think he just omitted information that only a moron would need.
 
2013-11-18 06:36:18 PM  

Mikey1969: LemSkroob: You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.

That means every grocery store that I've been in is non-compliant. Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to get the lawsuits ready. Walmart, Best Buy, Home Depot. Holy crap., anyone else want to take on a few of these handicapped-hating bastards? I can't sue 'em all...


Your Home Depot has an entrance door with a knob?
 
2013-11-18 06:37:05 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I was just pricing those at Lowes the other day, the cheapest interior door ones start at about $25 and go up from there, where the regular interior knobs start at about $6.


Yup.
Schlage got themselves some high-priced lobbyists.
 
2013-11-18 06:37:21 PM  

Mikey1969: LemSkroob: You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.

That means every grocery store that I've been in is non-compliant. Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to get the lawsuits ready. Walmart, Best Buy, Home Depot. Holy crap., anyone else want to take on a few of these handicapped-hating bastards? I can't sue 'em all...


you mean all those stores with automatic doors that you dont even need to have arms to operate???

This is how codes/regulations are written: They prescribe the minimum requirement to reach compliance (such as lever). If you can do better (such as automatic door), you're golden.
 
2013-11-18 06:38:31 PM  
Tim Stainton, is a professor and director of the School of Social Work at the University of B.C., and he says the whole concept of "universal design" is built around society's interest in making access to public buildings available to everyone and not a privileged few.

As one of the privileged few capable of opening a door knob, I believe this is a slippery slop.  You start making allowances for non-knob openers and the next thing you know you have a blind guy driving 90mph down main street while having sex with a turtle.

/slippery slope
 
2013-11-18 06:39:34 PM  

PhDemented: Mikey1969: LemSkroob: You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.

That means every grocery store that I've been in is non-compliant. Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to get the lawsuits ready. Walmart, Best Buy, Home Depot. Holy crap., anyone else want to take on a few of these handicapped-hating bastards? I can't sue 'em all...

Your Home Depot has an entrance door with a knob?


If you look at the entirety of Mike's posts in this thread, it's uncanny... but he is absolutely wrong about everything he wrote.
 
2013-11-18 06:40:04 PM  
I don't know why everyone is acting so surprised, this has been in the ADA stuff for a while in the U.S.. When was the last time you went to a new commercial, industrial, or public building and seen a round door knob?
 
2013-11-18 06:42:17 PM  

mesmer242: Austin TX already did this too, to take effect in 2016, including all new construction single family homes. They're also requires ramps on houses. Seriously.

Have you ever tried baby proofing a lever handle? It kinda sucks.


I have some of those. And my dog can open the damn things. She is a border collie, she goes to the door, gets on hind feet and drops a paw on the handle. These lever opening doors may be the death of her, very bright dog and stupid as Hell about traffic.
 
2013-11-18 06:43:55 PM  

PhDemented: Mikey1969: LemSkroob: You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.

That means every grocery store that I've been in is non-compliant. Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to get the lawsuits ready. Walmart, Best Buy, Home Depot. Holy crap., anyone else want to take on a few of these handicapped-hating bastards? I can't sue 'em all...

Your Home Depot has an entrance door with a knob?


Nope, but it can't be "opened with a fist", which was the criteria listed.
 
2013-11-18 06:46:01 PM  

mesmer242: Austin TX already did this too, to take effect in 2016, including all new construction single family homes. They're also requires ramps on houses. Seriously.

Have you ever tried baby proofing a lever handle? It kinda sucks.


Babies aren't tall enough, even when they can stand to reach a handle.  Now a 2-year-old maybe.  At that age you use a gate anyway.

Or you could use the plethora of safety kits available for under $10 available all over.

For my kids we just used gates on the stairs and kept the front/rear doors locked.  If they weren't supposed to leave their room we just told them not to leave and used a portable gate when necessary.  Of course now that they are 4 and 6, it's just dumb luck that they don't get outside on their own like the neighbor's kid we found wandering around outside by herself on Saturday.
 
2013-11-18 06:46:28 PM  

LemSkroob: Mikey1969: LemSkroob: You want to know if your door hardware passes the ADA? Try opening it with a closed fist. Push side and pull side.

That means every grocery store that I've been in is non-compliant. Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to get the lawsuits ready. Walmart, Best Buy, Home Depot. Holy crap., anyone else want to take on a few of these handicapped-hating bastards? I can't sue 'em all...

you mean all those stores with automatic doors that you dont even need to have arms to operate???

This is how codes/regulations are written: They prescribe the minimum requirement to reach compliance (such as lever). If you can do better (such as automatic door), you're golden.


That's not what was stated, it was said that the door could be opened "with a fist", which it isn't. Especially is the power is out or the door is screwed up, they're harder to open then a door that some meanie put a knob on.
 
2013-11-18 06:46:39 PM  

oldwolf49: Someday I hope the US becomes as forward thinking as Canada...........of course we'd have to have a talk with gun owners.


Granted... there's a shiatload of gun owners in Canada with whom to talk, but why would they have any specific opinion about doorknobs that a non-gun owner wouldn't have?
 
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