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(MSNBC)   GOP in Wisconsin decide to start a fresh batch of voter suppression laws while the last ones are still being reviewed by the courts   (msnbc.com ) divider line
    More: Scary, GOP, Wisconsin, voter suppression, Glenn Grothman, Wisconsin State Assembly, expected number, party-line vote  
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2013-11-18 04:28:19 PM  
Dig UP, dammit!
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-11-18 04:29:46 PM  
I'm shocked, I tell you.
 
2013-11-18 04:31:52 PM  
Things sure are backward in the deep north.
 
2013-11-18 04:33:26 PM  
If they pass dozens of voter suppression laws and keep cutting funding to the courts, there's no way the judiciary can possibly rule on all of them. Clever strategy.
 
2013-11-18 04:33:51 PM  
As the clean sweep in Virginia showed, suppression doesn't work, so the only answer is MOAR suppression.

Your message is fine, it is just the messaging.
 
2013-11-18 04:34:12 PM  
"...voting is easy enough."

I, for one, applaud them here. They are just sick of people voting too easily. Maybe they feel that they aren't giving it their all.
 
2013-11-18 04:37:48 PM  
"I mean, "these people" don't want to vote anyway, right? (quotes mine)

Non-satire quote from the Wisconsin GOP, talking about "those people".
 
2013-11-18 04:38:19 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: "I mean, "these people" don't want to vote anyway, right? (quotes mine)

Non-satire quote from the Wisconsin GOP, talking about "those people".


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2013-11-18 04:39:13 PM  
So, they plan to keep spitting out new voting restrictions, without waiting to see if the last ones pass the courts? Sounds like a way of begging for a lawsuit under Section Three of the Voting Rights Act .
 
2013-11-18 04:40:37 PM  
But wait, they weren't covered by the VRA 50 years ago. I have been assured that nothing has changed since then, and that it was unpossible to challenge that stuff in court now.
 
2013-11-18 04:41:15 PM  
My last post wasn't a factual statement.

/must of heard the dog whistle
 
2013-11-18 04:41:36 PM  
Voting should be legally mandatory. That being said, there should be a "none of the above" option for every candidate category.
 
2013-11-18 04:42:30 PM  
Over/under that if Democrats still win when all early voting is eliminated the explanation will be "of course they did; it's a Tuesday in November, all the Real Americans were too busy having a job to make it too the polls."
 
2013-11-18 04:44:39 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: "I mean, "these people" don't want to vote anyway, right? (quotes mine)

Non-satire quote from the Wisconsin GOP, talking about "those people".


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2013-11-18 04:47:02 PM  
FTFA:  But state Sen. Glenn Grothman, a Republican who is sponsoring a Senate version of the bill, told msnbc it's already easy enough to vote.

It's best to have legislators willing to reduce your franchise to just "easy enough".  Any more easy and you're getting too much democracy.
 
2013-11-18 04:48:25 PM  
Scott Walker is being touted as a possible presidential contender. That's enough to worry any democracy.
 
2013-11-18 04:48:56 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: My last post wasn't a factual statement.

/must of heard the dog whistle


Well, that explains the drool.
 
2013-11-18 04:49:47 PM  
Grothman said his bill is intended to establish "uniformity" between the large cities and small towns. Since it would be both expensive and unnecessary for small municipalities to increase voting hours, the only fix is to reduce the hours offered by big cities.

"We can have some of these ones that are completely out of control, doing maybe 80 hours a week, we can rein them in," Grothman said.

Asked why uniformity is important if there's less demand for early voting in more sparsely populated areas, Grothman was indignant.

"The idea of having one set of rules to apply to one municipality and another set of rules to apply to another goes against equal protection of the laws and is contrary to all our country stands for," he said. "Isn't it?"


I always thought Republicans were against equal opportunity. My god, what a colossal jackass this Mr. Grothman is.
 
2013-11-18 04:49:55 PM  
Wait, they have minorities in Wisconsin?
 
2013-11-18 04:50:17 PM  
This is all going to be funny for the middle part of 'The Downfall of Scott Walker.'  The third part has something to do with his gay lover and/or his micropenis.
 
2013-11-18 04:52:40 PM  

wildcardjack: Wait, they have minorities in Wisconsin?


Yes.  Thin people.
 
2013-11-18 04:52:57 PM  
So I see the WI GOP is upping the ante on real world cartoonish villainy.

I suppose next they will pass a bill to fund a super laser to carve Scott Walker's name onto the moon.
 
2013-11-18 04:53:40 PM  

wildcardjack: Wait, they have minorities in Wisconsin?


Yes, they do. And not just the African-Americans in Milwaukee, either!
 
2013-11-18 04:55:50 PM  

Notabunny: sobriquet by any other name: My last post wasn't a factual statement.

/must of heard the dog whistle

Well, that explains the drool.


And the massive bone I walk around with.
 
2013-11-18 04:58:50 PM  
I'm getting to the point where I have to start admitting to myself that my parents are, in reality, pants on head retarded. They refuse to leave WI and bought a second house in Florida.
 
2013-11-18 04:58:59 PM  

Grungehamster: Over/under that if Democrats still win when all early voting is eliminated the explanation will be "of course they did; it's a Tuesday in November, all the Real Americans were too busy having a job to make it too the polls."


Which is why, if you refuse to go to all vote-by-mail, Election Day should be a mandated federal holiday. At the very least, businesses should be required to allow their employees paid time off to go vote.

Yes, some employees will go goof off instead of voting. Tough.
 
2013-11-18 05:00:43 PM  
But state Sen. Glenn Grothman, a Republican who is sponsoring a Senate version of the bill, told msnbc it's already easy enough to vote.

And apparently, he considering being easy to vote to be not only a problem, but a problem that needs fixing.
 

"Between [early voting], mail absentee, and voting the day of election, you know, I mean anybody who can't vote with all those options, they've really got a problem," he said. "I really don't think they care that much about voting in the first place, right?

And since they don't care, they won't mind if we outlaw about half those voting options, will they?
 
2013-11-18 05:02:49 PM  
 Well, since there isn't much that can be done about them passing such laws the only thing to do is make it part of a get out the vote campaign. Nothing gets people voting like someone trying to restrict said vote. Oh hey, it looks like a particular party is behind such efforts, that will make things a bit easier to.
 
2013-11-18 05:03:49 PM  

geoduck42: Grungehamster: Over/under that if Democrats still win when all early voting is eliminated the explanation will be "of course they did; it's a Tuesday in November, all the Real Americans were too busy having a job to make it too the polls."

Which is why, if you refuse to go to all vote-by-mail, Election Day should be a mandated federal holiday. At the very least, businesses should be required to allow their employees paid time off to go vote.

Yes, some employees will go goof off instead of voting. Tough.


Federal employees can get unpaid time off (or just use PTO) if their shift doesn't leave at least 3 hours of open polls.

Sounds reasonable enough.
 
2013-11-18 05:05:04 PM  
Grothman said his bill is intended to establish "uniformity" between the large cities and small towns. Since it would be both expensive and unnecessary for small municipalities to increase voting hours, the only fix is to reduce the hours offered by big cities.

What about Cities Rights'?  What give Big Brother in Madison the right to dictate voting hours to Milwaulkee?  LOCAL CONTROL IS BEST CONTROL!!!
 
2013-11-18 05:05:56 PM  

RminusQ: Grothman said his bill is intended to establish "uniformity" between the large cities and small towns. Since it would be both expensive and unnecessary for small municipalities to increase voting hours, the only fix is to reduce the hours offered by big cities.

"We can have some of these ones that are completely out of control, doing maybe 80 hours a week, we can rein them in," Grothman said.

Asked why uniformity is important if there's less demand for early voting in more sparsely populated areas, Grothman was indignant.

"The idea of having one set of rules to apply to one municipality and another set of rules to apply to another goes against equal protection of the laws and is contrary to all our country stands for," he said. "Isn't it?"

I always thought Republicans were against equal opportunity. My god, what a colossal jackass this Mr. Grothman is.


I've also heard urban areas usually get far more voting booths than urban areas. How about we apportion them 1 per square mile to make it even steven? 65,498 voting booths would be a ton; based on the 2012 results, each one would only be used less than 47 times to get through everyone. We'll get the 94 for Madison, Wisconson set up right away. Remember, you can only vote at your local booth. We don't want anyone voting in the wrong place, it might influence the results unfairly.
 
2013-11-18 05:06:11 PM  
FTA: Asked why uniformity is important if there's less demand for early voting in more sparsely populated areas, Grothman was indignant.

"The idea of having one set of rules to apply to one municipality and another set of rules to apply to another goes against equal protection of the laws and is contrary to all our country stands for," he said. "Isn't it?"


I'm gonna remember this quote the next time we hear "B-b-b-but states rights!"

/You just made an argument for mandatory federal election standards, Grothman.
 
2013-11-18 05:09:03 PM  

Grungehamster: I've also heard urban areas usually get far more voting booths than urban rural areas.


FTFM
 
2013-11-18 05:09:31 PM  

BMFPitt: sobriquet by any other name: "I mean, "these people" don't want to vote anyway, right? (quotes mine)

Non-satire quote from the Wisconsin GOP, talking about "those people".

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/I don't know how to Internet
 
2013-11-18 05:09:55 PM  
Okay, so the spin on voter ID is that you have to prove who you are to be able to vote. That's logical, even if it addresses a problem that doesn't actually exist and is therefore stupid.

What is the justification for trimming early voting hours? That too many people might vote? That it might be too easy to vote? Seriously, why do Republicans dislike early voting?
 
2013-11-18 05:11:03 PM  

wildcardjack: Wait, they have minorities in Wisconsin?


His name is Jamal, and he is very lonely.
 
2013-11-18 05:11:42 PM  
The ACLU is gonna have a field day with this.
 
2013-11-18 05:12:35 PM  
From Progressive bastion to the Capital of Derp
 
2013-11-18 05:13:26 PM  
"The idea of having one set of rules to apply to one municipality and another set of rules to apply to another goes against equal protection of the laws and is contrary to all our country stands for," he said. "Isn't it?"

I can only imagine that he used extra spittle when saying this.
 
2013-11-18 05:17:54 PM  

Serious Black: If they pass dozens of voter suppression laws and keep cutting funding to the courts, there's no way the judiciary can possibly rule on all of them. Clever strategy.


^ meanwhile they block all the new court nominees...
 
2013-11-18 05:18:18 PM  

abb3w: So, they plan to keep spitting out new voting restrictions, without waiting to see if the last ones pass the courts? Sounds like a way of begging for a lawsuit under Section Three of the Voting Rights Act .


At some point it will be white, male land owners.

/my vote is for sale
 
2013-11-18 05:19:15 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: wildcardjack: Wait, they have minorities in Wisconsin?

Yes.  Thin people.


I laughed so hard I farted. Lucky for you I'm not at work.
 
2013-11-18 05:20:05 PM  
Lord Dimwit:  Seriously, why do Republicans dislike early voting?

We know full well why they don't like it, but I am curious to hear their excuse.
 
2013-11-18 05:20:12 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Okay, so the spin on voter ID is that you have to prove who you are to be able to vote. That's logical, even if it addresses a problem that doesn't actually exist and is therefore stupid.

What is the justification for trimming early voting hours? That too many people might vote? That it might be too easy to vote? Seriously, why do Republicans dislike early voting?


Yes and yes.
 
2013-11-18 05:20:35 PM  
So...lemme get this straight:

Different areas, with vastly different population densities, have different early election schedules because they adapt to local demands for voting booths.

Some places, generally those with larger populations and therefore more voters, have longer hours than those places with smaller populations.

You want a uniform set of hours. (Problem 1)

Instead of raising the minimum standards higher, you make the maximum standards lower. (Problem 2)

You don't even try to make them meet in the middle, really. (Problem 3)

This makes it more difficult for large numbers of people to vote, which goes against the whole point of democracy. (Problem 4)

And, of course, it just so happens that the places whose voting hours are getting more restricted are the areas that tend to vote for your opponents. It's pretty blatant.

This sort of thing is why I will never vote Republican, ever again. Even if you don't personally agree with this sort of thing and only vote Republican for some other reason, by doing so you're tacitly agreeing that this sort of thing isn't "bad enough" to vote against.
 
2013-11-18 05:20:40 PM  

Lord Dimwit: What is the justification for trimming early voting hours? That too many people might vote? That it might be too easy to vote? Seriously, why do Republicans dislike early voting?


Early voting favors Democrats because they are much better at getting people who many not have been planning to vote to actually cast a ballot.
 
2013-11-18 05:21:04 PM  

Grungehamster: Grungehamster: I've also heard urban areas usually get far more voting booths than urban rural areas.

FTFM


Other way around. Urban areas will get fewer voting booths on a per-capita basis compared to suburban voting areas, causing long lines.
 
2013-11-18 05:23:12 PM  
"[There] have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states. [Additionally, the State] will not offer any evidence in this action that in-person voter fraud has in fact occurred in Pennsylvania and elsewhere [or] that in person voter fraud is likely to occur in November 2012 in the absense of the Photo ID law."

-- Stipulation agreement signed by lawyers for the state of Pennsylvania defending the new voter ID law.

But I'm sure Wisconsin has PLENTY of evidence of in-person voter fraud that would justify all these laws, right? RIGHT?
 
2013-11-18 05:25:30 PM  
Given all the subpoenas and stuff flying around in regards to Walker's election, I'd say they might have other issues to deal with soon.
 
2013-11-18 05:26:33 PM  
haha, the people of wisconsin gave power to republicans, elections have consequences.
 
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