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(Examiner)   The BCS released their new rankings. Alabama wins by 13 and the world rejoices. Ohio State wins by 25 and they are worst team in college football   (examiner.com ) divider line
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2013-11-18 03:59:50 PM  
Well Ohio State did play their sisters and gave up 40. I do not know how good they are but I don't make up the schedule. We should find out in the big 10 championship.
 
2013-11-18 04:06:13 PM  
The ACC and Big Ten both suck this year.
 
2013-11-18 04:28:58 PM  
That's THE... worst team in college football.
 
2013-11-18 04:29:26 PM  
...they are THE worst team in college football.

Show some respect.
 
2013-11-18 04:30:34 PM  
* shakes fist at BKITU *
 
2013-11-18 04:43:54 PM  
Logic will never connect with the BCS, so best not to try.  It'll hurt your brain.
 
2013-11-18 06:07:33 PM  

mikeray: Well Ohio State did play their sisters and gave up 40. I do not know how good they are but I don't make up the schedule. We should find out in the big 10 championship.


Maybe in a tribute to John Cooper a clearly superior Ohio State team will go up to Ann Arbor and inexplicably lose, and save us all the argument in the end.
 
2013-11-18 06:10:16 PM  
All you need to know is to go back and look how close was their game against NU and note that NU has not one win in the B1G this season.
 
2013-11-18 06:16:11 PM  
Ohio State's defense is questionable at best.
 
2013-11-18 06:17:30 PM  
"In a defensive struggle" is SEC speak for "The offenses looked like shiat so....."


I'll say it again: Alabama is very very good - I have no problem saying they're the best.  But I watched two SEC teams play for about a half in the middle of this year (I think Ol Miss was one of them) and saw BAD football - and the announcers are jerking each other off about what a titanic defensive back and forth struggle it has been "One of the ages"... yeah it was a back and forth defensive struggle because the QB's each threw a couple of horrendous picks that my 8 year old could have intercepted (and he couldnt catch a cold right now).

The top of the SEC gets WAY too much credit for beating the middle of their conference
 
2013-11-18 06:20:11 PM  
"One  FORthe ages..."

/grumbles
 
2013-11-18 06:21:47 PM  

ricewater_stool: The ACC and Big Ten both suck this year.


They're both bad, but neither are Pac-12 bad.  Even mediocre Big Ten and ACC teams can beat Notre Dame (Michigan and Pitt, respectively).  The third and fourth best Pac-12 teams lost and even last year's Pac-12 champ lost to Notre Dame last year.  Though part of me suspects that this year the reason everyone thinks conferences are "bad" is because there is so little parity in college football.  It's basically Alabama and FSU dominating, while everyone else is just along for the ride.
 
2013-11-18 06:22:46 PM  

Fizpez: "In a defensive struggle" is SEC speak for "The offenses looked like shiat so....."


I'll say it again: Alabama is very very good - I have no problem saying they're the best.  But I watched two SEC teams play for about a half in the middle of this year (I think Ol Miss was one of them) and saw BAD football - and the announcers are jerking each other off about what a titanic defensive back and forth struggle it has been "One of the ages"... yeah it was a back and forth defensive struggle because the QB's each threw a couple of horrendous picks that my 8 year old could have intercepted (and he couldnt catch a cold right now).

The top of the SEC gets WAY too much credit for beating the middle of their conference


If you get used to watching the NFL, all college football will look like crap.
 
2013-11-18 06:28:59 PM  

GQueue: mikeray: Well Ohio State did play their sisters and gave up 40. I do not know how good they are but I don't make up the schedule. We should find out in the big 10 championship.

Maybe in a tribute to John Cooper a clearly superior inferior Ohio State team will go up to Ann Arbor East Lansing and inexplicably lose, and save us all the argument in the end.

 
2013-11-18 06:29:22 PM  
I can't wait to see Oregon obliterate Ohio State come bowl season.  It's going to be great.
 
2013-11-18 06:32:49 PM  

llortcM_yllort: Fizpez: "In a defensive struggle" is SEC speak for "The offenses looked like shiat so....."


I'll say it again: Alabama is very very good - I have no problem saying they're the best.  But I watched two SEC teams play for about a half in the middle of this year (I think Ol Miss was one of them) and saw BAD football - and the announcers are jerking each other off about what a titanic defensive back and forth struggle it has been "One of the ages"... yeah it was a back and forth defensive struggle because the QB's each threw a couple of horrendous picks that my 8 year old could have intercepted (and he couldnt catch a cold right now).

The top of the SEC gets WAY too much credit for beating the middle of their conference

If you get used to watching the NFL, all college football will look like crap.


This is why I don't watch it. The defense especially is awful.
 
2013-11-18 06:33:31 PM  

ricewater_stool: The ACC and Big Ten both suck this year.


And yet they are still better than the SEC East
 
2013-11-18 06:36:41 PM  

llortcM_yllort: ricewater_stool: The ACC and Big Ten both suck this year.

They're both bad, but neither are Pac-12 bad.  Even mediocre Big Ten and ACC teams can beat Notre Dame (Michigan and Pitt, respectively).  The third and fourth best Pac-12 teams lost and even last year's Pac-12 champ lost to Notre Dame last year.  Though part of me suspects that this year the reason everyone thinks conferences are "bad" is because there is so little parity in college football.  It's basically Alabama and FSU dominating, while everyone else is just along for the ride.


Ask Michigan State how bad Notre Dame is this year.

And if you don't care to listen to the talking heads and pollsters, here is some objective data about NCAA football. Plus, keep in mind this doesn't consider the cupcakes that most SEC teams have scheduled before rivalry week. The Pac-12 don't play those games. 9 games in conference.

http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
 
2013-11-18 06:48:54 PM  
Let's look at the schedules shall we?  Alabama:  4.5 Road games, 7.5 Home games.  tOSU:  5 Road games 7 home games.  Baylor:  4 Road 8 Home.FSU 5 road 7 home.  Stuff happens on the road.  In the name of fairness, the BCS replacement should demand 6 home, 6 road.  At least as many home games count as road games, with excess home games being ties in the new BCS Formula.
Otherwise the huge stadium advantage can't be overcome.  In recruiting, in money, (which leads to facilities), it all adds up.  That rigs the system for the haves to keep having. BORING.

But everyone will lambast me, since I'm a 'hater'.  When is fairness hating?  If your enjoying the rigged system because its rigged to make some teams more successful at least admit it.  Just admit your school/conference is better because the system is built to make it better.   Just forgive me if I don't join into the group think when the successful teams are successful, the system is setup to place Alabama/SEC on third.

We should be asking more questions like "Why aren't Michigan, Georgia, Florida MORE successful"  When you have all the advantages and you still fail, the discussion should be around them.  Florida has everything in it's favor; all the SEC team do, half the BIG10, BIG12 teams do to.  They've gamed the system, why don't they see the yield of the gaming?

/Fair Schedules NOW!!
 
2013-11-18 06:56:38 PM  
Right now, I've got it:

BCS: FSU / Bama
Rose: Oregon / Ohio State
Fiesta: Baylor / Stanford
Orange: Clemson / Fresno
Sugar: Auburn / UCF

Thoughts?
 
2013-11-18 07:00:58 PM  
Baylor will jump Ohio State if they win out because Baylor plays in a real conference.  That said, they won't win out.
 
2013-11-18 07:02:50 PM  

Pimparoo: Right now, I've got it:

BCS: FSU / Bama
Rose: Oregon / Ohio State
Fiesta: Baylor / Stanford
Orange: Clemson / Fresno
Sugar: Auburn / UCF

Thoughts?


The Fiesta bowl will be stuck with Fresno.
 
2013-11-18 07:04:06 PM  
"I can't wait to see Oregon obliterate Ohio State come bowl season. It's going to be great."

Mental masturbation, I see. Dream on.
 
2013-11-18 07:08:23 PM  

Pimparoo: Right now, I've got it:

BCS: FSU / Bama
Rose: Oregon / Ohio State
Fiesta: Baylor / Stanford
Orange: Clemson / Fresno
Sugar: Auburn / UCF

Thoughts?


The Orange gets their second choice before the Fiesta.  No way in hell the Orange takes Fresno.  They'll take Michigan State or Wisconsin and Stanford will be in the Alamo Bowl.
 
2013-11-18 07:10:39 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Maybe in a tribute to John Cooper a clearly superior inferior Ohio State team will go up to Ann Arbor East Lansing and inexplicably lose, and save us all the argument in the end.

 

Considering the only way they can possibly play is in Indianapolis in the B1G title game, maybe fans of Little Bother should check their facts along with their egos?

Either way it means nothing. Alabama and FSU have better schedules than tOSU. Not SOOOO much better than ESPNtards like Mark May and most SEC fanboys would have everyone believe but still better none the less. If all 3 go undefeated it should be FSU and Bama in the title game and tOSU can console themselves in the 100th Rose Bowl. Nothing wrong with that scenario for anyone involved.
 
2013-11-18 07:12:04 PM  

dougermouse: Let's look at the schedules shall we? Alabama: 4.5 Road games, 7.5 Home games. tOSU: 5 Road games 7 home games. Baylor: 4 Road 8 Home.FSU 5 road 7 home. Stuff happens on the road. In the name of fairness, the BCS replacement should demand 6 home, 6 road. At least as many home games count as road games, with excess home games being ties in the new BCS Formula.
Otherwise the huge stadium advantage can't be overcome. In recruiting, in money, (which leads to facilities), it all adds up. That rigs the system for the haves to keep having. BORING.


And it rigs the system so the small scholarship schools can survive.  They need those guaranteed payouts from the big schools.
 
2013-11-18 07:21:09 PM  

TheWhoppah: Baylor will jump Ohio State if they win out because Baylor plays in a real conference.  That said, they won't win out.


If that "real conference" was any good it would still have a full complement of members. Even so the only good teams there currently are OK St. and Baylor and the latter doesn't play defense (ask Oregon how that works out in the end).

Every conference looks the same this year. One really good team at the top, one pretty good team, maybe a so-so squad, then a bunch of crap.

Big IIX - Baylor, Ok St, Oklahoma, crap
PAC 12 - Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, crap
ACC - FSU, Clemson, Duke, crap
B1G - tOSU, Sparty, Wisky, crap
SEC - Bama, LSU, Auburn, meh, crap

I give the SEC a slight edge since 2 of the teams they stole from the Big IIX are ok and Georgia would be if not for an epic amount of injuries. Even so I think aTm, Auburn, Mizzou and especially S. Car are all vastly overrated.
 
2013-11-18 07:21:32 PM  

TheWhoppah: Baylor will jump Ohio State if they win out because Baylor plays in a real conference.  That said, they won't win out.


Real conferences these days have conference championship games. Get back to us when the Big 12 can stop hemmoraging teams long enough to stay cohesive.
 
2013-11-18 07:28:56 PM  

flak attack: I can't wait to see Oregon obliterate Ohio State come bowl season.  It's going to be great.


How'd that work out for you last time?

media.oregonlive.com

Oh right.
 
2013-11-18 07:29:57 PM  

the1hatman: TheWhoppah: Baylor will jump Ohio State if they win out because Baylor plays in a real conference.  That said, they won't win out.

If that "real conference" was any good it would still have a full complement of members. Even so the only good teams there currently are OK St. and Baylor and the latter doesn't play defense (ask Oregon how that works out in the end).

Every conference looks the same this year. One really good team at the top, one pretty good team, maybe a so-so squad, then a bunch of crap.

Big IIX - Baylor, Ok St, Oklahoma, crap
PAC 12 - Oregon, UCLA, crap
ACC - FSU, Clemson, Duke, crap
B1G - tOSU, Sparty, Wisky, crap
SEC - Bama, LSU, Auburn, meh, crap

I give the SEC a slight edge since 2 of the teams they stole from the Big IIX are ok and Georgia would be if not for an epic amount of injuries. Even so I think aTm, Auburn, Mizzou and especially S. Car are all vastly overrated.


Fixed the Pac-12 for you.  Stanford lost to 4-6 Utah.
 
2013-11-18 07:34:12 PM  

PowerSlacker: the1hatman: TheWhoppah: Baylor will jump Ohio State if they win out because Baylor plays in a real conference.  That said, they won't win out.

If that "real conference" was any good it would still have a full complement of members. Even so the only good teams there currently are OK St. and Baylor and the latter doesn't play defense (ask Oregon how that works out in the end).

Every conference looks the same this year. One really good team at the top, one pretty good team, maybe a so-so squad, then a bunch of crap.

Big IIX - Baylor, Ok St, Oklahoma, crap
PAC 12 - Oregon, UCLA, crap
ACC - FSU, Clemson, Duke, crap
B1G - tOSU, Sparty, Wisky, crap
SEC - Bama, LSU, Auburn, meh, crap

I give the SEC a slight edge since 2 of the teams they stole from the Big IIX are ok and Georgia would be if not for an epic amount of injuries. Even so I think aTm, Auburn, Mizzou and especially S. Car are all vastly overrated.

Fixed the Pac-12 for you.  Stanford lost to 4-6 Utah.


They also pummeled Oregon. If you don't want to put the Cardinal towards the top of the PAC 12 then you might as well tank then entire conference. I will give you that outside of Bama and FSU any of those top teams in each conference are pretty much interchangeable with each other. Not really worth nit picking over the order for any of them.
 
2013-11-18 07:37:36 PM  

12349876: dougermouse: Let's look at the schedules shall we? Alabama: 4.5 Road games, 7.5 Home games. tOSU: 5 Road games 7 home games. Baylor: 4 Road 8 Home.FSU 5 road 7 home. Stuff happens on the road. In the name of fairness, the BCS replacement should demand 6 home, 6 road. At least as many home games count as road games, with excess home games being ties in the new BCS Formula.
Otherwise the huge stadium advantage can't be overcome. In recruiting, in money, (which leads to facilities), it all adds up. That rigs the system for the haves to keep having. BORING.

And it rigs the system so the small scholarship schools can survive.  They need those guaranteed payouts from the big schools.


Or, you know, those small scholarship schools could just....I don't know...

DROP FOOTBALL.

Then they wouldn't need to whore themselves out to the BCS auto-bid conferences every year.

I think the best fix is to make it so no games against FCS teams count toward bowl eligibility. Right now, 1 cupcake game per year is standard. Then 2-3 games against weaker FBS conference opponents.

Killing the FCS game win will instantly make it tougher for FBS teams. Plus it will have the side effect of killing off a bunch of crappy bowl games that no one cares about...except the executive directors of those not-for-profit enterprises.
 
2013-11-18 07:44:24 PM  
Tosu's (former) President openly stated that an undefeated team did not deserve to go to the NCG over their one loss school because they had only beaten one Top 25 team.  Something about the big 10 having "quality competition" every week.  A murderers row he called it.  Karma.  Tosu has one win against a (current) top 25 team and let Northwestern hang with them and had Illinois hang a ton of points on them.

They're the best of the Big 10, but that aint saying much.
 
2013-11-18 07:50:14 PM  

mjbok: Tosu has one win against a (current) top 25 team and let Northwestern hang with them and had Illinois hang a ton of points on them.

They're the best of the Big 10, but that aint saying much.


Illinois?

Pshaw...

Cal hung almost as many points on them as did Illinois. That's saying something.

/Go Bears!
//I can haz Rose Bowl bid?
 
2013-11-18 08:02:54 PM  

the1hatman: ClavellBCMI: Maybe in a tribute to John Cooper a clearly superior inferior Ohio State team will go up to Ann Arbor East Lansing and inexplicably lose, and save us all the argument in the end. 

Considering the only way they can possibly play is in Indianapolis in the B1G title game, maybe fans of Little Bother should check their facts along with their egos?

Either way it means nothing. Alabama and FSU have better schedules than tOSU. Not SOOOO much better than ESPNtards like Mark May and most SEC fanboys would have everyone believe but still better none the less. If all 3 go undefeated it should be FSU and Bama in the title game and tOSU can console themselves in the 100th Rose Bowl. Nothing wrong with that scenario for anyone involved.


Plus that means that Miller will probably come back for next season.
 
2013-11-18 09:00:13 PM  
I guess scheduling the likes of Buffalo, San Diego State and Florida A&M served its purpose.
 
2013-11-18 09:19:47 PM  
My biggest issue with the BCS formula isn't so much the anti-B1G bias (which I feel there is an overabundance of). 

My real issue lies with the weight of margin of victory. I'm not going to go on a lengthy diatribe about sportsmanship, but at the point that you regularly have teams whipping the unholy shiat out of cupcakes just to figure into a championship discussion, things are flawed.

Granted, there have always been schools rather notorious for being dicks on the field and running up the score. (Oklahoma under Barry Switzer, Miami under Jerry Jones, U of F under Spurrier to name three pre-BCS coaches.)

Now, however, we have EVERYONE doing it, and they're all using the same argument: "We have to."

I love watching my team rout the competition as much as the next guy, but watching a game on TV turn into a laugher by halftime and then only get uglier is not really entertaining if I don't have a dog in the fight.
 
2013-11-18 09:26:13 PM  

Sillygoth: My biggest issue with the BCS formula isn't so much the anti-B1G bias (which I feel there is an overabundance of). 

My real issue lies with the weight of margin of victory. I'm not going to go on a lengthy diatribe about sportsmanship, but at the point that you regularly have teams whipping the unholy shiat out of cupcakes just to figure into a championship discussion, things are flawed.

Granted, there have always been schools rather notorious for being dicks on the field and running up the score. (Oklahoma under Barry Switzer, Miami under Jerry Jones, U of F under Spurrier to name three pre-BCS coaches.)

Now, however, we have EVERYONE doing it, and they're all using the same argument: "We have to."

I love watching my team rout the competition as much as the next guy, but watching a game on TV turn into a laugher by halftime and then only get uglier is not really entertaining if I don't have a dog in the fight.


Margin of victory counts for literally nothing in the computer polls.  Try again.
 
2013-11-18 09:31:18 PM  

ricewater_stool: The ACC and Big Ten both suck this year.


Nu uh the ACC has the greatest team in the NCAA this year!!!! Just ask other ACC fans who are turning into what they accuse SEC fans of being in fark.
 
2013-11-18 09:34:17 PM  
Margin of victory counts for literally nothing in the computer polls.  Try again.

Apparently I was mistaken. Strange then, that I've heard multiple coaches in multiple conferences make that statement.
 
2013-11-18 09:46:39 PM  

the1hatman: TheWhoppah: Baylor will jump Ohio State if they win out because Baylor plays in a real conference.  That said, they won't win out.

If that "real conference" was any good it would still have a full complement of members. Even so the only good teams there currently are OK St. and Baylor and the latter doesn't play defense (ask Oregon how that works out in the end).

Every conference looks the same this year. One really good team at the top, one pretty good team, maybe a so-so squad, then a bunch of crap.

Big IIX - Baylor, Ok St, Oklahoma, crap
PAC 12 - Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, crap
ACC - FSU, Clemson, Duke, crap
B1G - tOSU, Sparty, Wisky, crap
SEC - Bama, LSU, Auburn, meh, crap

I give the SEC a slight edge since 2 of the teams they stole from the Big IIX are ok and Georgia would be if not for an epic amount of injuries. Even so I think aTm, Auburn, Mizzou and especially S. Car are all vastly overrated.


Auburn is the textbook definition of overrated SEC trash. They lucked out w/ not playing Mizzu or USC, the rest of the east is pure garbage. They lost badly to LSU and Bama is going to murder them.
 
2013-11-18 09:57:30 PM  

steamingpile: ricewater_stool: The ACC and Big Ten both suck this year.

Nu uh the ACC has the greatest team in the NCAA this year!!!! Just ask other ACC fans who are turning into what they accuse SEC fans of being in fark.


You run around butthurt that UGA has imploded this year.  Your sole sense of self-worth has been destroyed, so you shiat up every CFB thread saying that FSU sucks.  People point out that FSU doesn't suck this year, you reply with nonsense like the above.

And that's not even getting into the distinction you are completely missing - saying FSU is a very good team this year is different than saying the ACC is a great conference.  The ACC sucks.
 
2013-11-18 10:11:54 PM  

beth_lida: I guess scheduling the likes of Buffalo, San Diego State and Florida A&M served its purpose.


That would be a tough OoC schedule in the SEC
 
2013-11-18 10:51:16 PM  

ShadowKamui: the1hatman: TheWhoppah: Baylor will jump Ohio State if they win out because Baylor plays in a real conference.  That said, they won't win out.

If that "real conference" was any good it would still have a full complement of members. Even so the only good teams there currently are OK St. and Baylor and the latter doesn't play defense (ask Oregon how that works out in the end).

Every conference looks the same this year. One really good team at the top, one pretty good team, maybe a so-so squad, then a bunch of crap.

Big IIX - Baylor, Ok St, Oklahoma, crap
PAC 12 - Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, crap
ACC - FSU, Clemson, Duke, crap
B1G - tOSU, Sparty, Wisky, crap
SEC - Bama, LSU, Auburn, meh, crap

I give the SEC a slight edge since 2 of the teams they stole from the Big IIX are ok and Georgia would be if not for an epic amount of injuries. Even so I think aTm, Auburn, Mizzou and especially S. Car are all vastly overrated.

Auburn is the textbook definition of overrated SEC trash. They lucked out w/ not playing Mizzu or USC, the rest of the east is pure garbage. They lost badly to LSU and Bama is going to murder them.


Not to mention Washington State hung with them at home. WASHINGTON STATE!!!
 
2013-11-18 11:00:36 PM  

FLMountainMan: steamingpile: ricewater_stool: The ACC and Big Ten both suck this year.

Nu uh the ACC has the greatest team in the NCAA this year!!!! Just ask other ACC fans who are turning into what they accuse SEC fans of being in fark.

You run around butthurt that UGA has imploded this year.  Your sole sense of self-worth has been destroyed, so you shiat up every CFB thread saying that FSU sucks.  People point out that FSU doesn't suck this year, you reply with nonsense like the above.

And that's not even getting into the distinction you are completely missing - saying FSU is a very good team this year is different than saying the ACC is a great conference.  The ACC sucks.


Actually I don't, I didnt expect much from a young defense this year but way to make it sound like you're right.

And actually the CFB thread was fine this week, probably because most of the doucheist FSU fans, like yourself, weren't posting.

Hope you do win out just so a real team can destroy you, maybe then reality will set in.
 
2013-11-18 11:02:53 PM  

Sillygoth: Margin of victory counts for literally nothing in the computer polls.  Try again.

Apparently I was mistaken. Strange then, that I've heard multiple coaches in multiple conferences make that statement.


Margin of victory still seems to matter to the human polls...which are weighted more than the computer polls in the current system.  So while the previous poster was correct that it doesn't matter for the computer polls, I'm sure you are also correct that you've heard coaches saying it matters for their place in the rankings.
 
2013-11-19 12:01:26 AM  

TheMatchHare: Sillygoth: Margin of victory counts for literally nothing in the computer polls.  Try again.

Apparently I was mistaken. Strange then, that I've heard multiple coaches in multiple conferences make that statement.

Margin of victory still seems to matter to the human polls...which are weighted more than the computer polls in the current system.  So while the previous poster was correct that it doesn't matter for the computer polls, I'm sure you are also correct that you've heard coaches saying it matters for their place in the rankings.


Well it matters very little, before people would see a huge win and think it means something, now a win is just a win and the margin means jack shiat now. The computer aspect means more and that part ignores margin of victory completely while relying more on strength of schedule, which is why OSU is losing ground to Baylor.
 
2013-11-19 12:58:06 AM  

Aar1012: That would be a tough OoC schedule in the SEC


Wouldn't be a college football thread without you biatching about the SEC.
 
2013-11-19 01:13:55 AM  
What will all the bonehead conference boys argue about once playoffs are implemented in FBS?
 
2013-11-19 01:21:12 AM  
I'm getting sick of Ohio State's whining.  For years, we wanted a playoff, but Jim Delany and the Big Ten schools killed it at every turn, favoring instead the very system that is now screwing them.  Next year when there's a playoff, you'll get your shot at the SEC.  Until then, fark off.
 
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