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(Talking Points Memo)   Senate GOP health aide admits what everyone with a single, functioning neuron already knows: "By definition we have no credibility" on health care   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2013-11-18 04:35:18 PM  
Another headline with at least three extra words.
 
2013-11-18 04:44:41 PM  

abb3w: Another headline with at least three extra words.


Let me oversimplify:

Senate GOP health aide admits what everyone with a single, functioning neuron already knows: "By definition we have no credibility" on health care

GOP: "we have no credibility"

I think that's perfect.
 
2013-11-18 04:46:04 PM  
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2013-11-18 05:13:31 PM  
"Well, I would say let's get to the table on a bipartisan basis and let's make sure that we have a plan that has more choice, not less," she said. "Let's have one where we're driving down costs and increasing competition. Have the insurance companies compete in a way that they aren't right now."
So ... what does that mean?
"Let's get together and figure out what are the best models from the state law on the high-risk pools to address preexisting conditions. There are many ideas I think that we could do that won't harm people who have policies now that they would like to keep," Ayotte said. "We should work together to address this health care reform instead of the way this was done on party lines."



Holy sh*t that's a lot of platitudes you have there. But hang in there, tomorrow is another day. It's always darkest before the dawn, Senator.
 
2013-11-18 05:35:35 PM  
I don't know...are we *sure* we've given business tax cuts and fewer regulations enough tries? No doubt *this* time will be the one that makes coverage super-affordable and accessible!
 
2013-11-18 06:10:23 PM  
ITT: GOP supporters prove the headline to be true.
 
2013-11-18 06:17:32 PM  
The GOP did pass Medicare part "D" in 2003, but that was mostly a give-away to the drug companies.  Full retail.  What a joke.
 
2013-11-18 06:19:04 PM  
The old system was fine. Everyone liked their coverage, and prices never went up.
 
2013-11-18 06:20:26 PM  
In fairness, here's the full quote from  subby's headline

"If the question is 'What is your plan to replace Obamacare with a bill that maximizes coverage?' we will fail. Period," said the aide, who was granted anonymity to speak candidly. "If the question is re-framed as 'What concrete steps can you take to lower cost and increase access?' we can play. By definition we have no credibility on the former."

Which is the basic problem. Although Republicans are riding high on the bad press on ACA's roll out their alternatives generally don't manage ACA's primary success which is: getting healthcare to everyone. Because of that that their plans, which after ACA would mean reducing the number of people covered, are going to be a very tough sell.
 
2013-11-18 06:25:49 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: "Well, I would say let's get to the table on a bipartisan basis and let's make sure that we have a plan that has more choice, not less," she said. "Let's have one where we're driving down costs and increasing competition. Have the insurance companies compete in a way that they aren't right now."
So ... what does that mean?
"Let's get together and figure out what are the best models from the state law on the high-risk pools to address preexisting conditions. There are many ideas I think that we could do that won't harm people who have policies now that they would like to keep," Ayotte said. "We should work together to address this health care reform instead of the way this was done on party lines."


Holy sh*t that's a lot of platitudes you have there. But hang in there, tomorrow is another day. It's always darkest before the dawn, Senator.


Translation: Let's basically do what Obamacare does but not with Obama being behind it so that we don't all have to instantly hate it!
 
2013-11-18 06:27:26 PM  
I can see why they'd have trouble thinking of an alternative to the the system they came up with.
 
2013-11-18 06:28:09 PM  
And Obama's trying to match em...

Fortunately for him, they're really too focused on Fast and Furious IX: Benghazi Nights.
 
2013-11-18 06:30:31 PM  
Republicans are up a creek if the exchanges work.  They've spent years denouncing Obamacare as Communism, so any attempted pivot to "let's make this thing work more efficiently" will be met with primary challenges.
 
2013-11-18 06:30:44 PM  
Hey they have a FULL plan. And it's only ONE page!!!

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-11-18 06:31:15 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The GOP did pass Medicare part "D" in 2003, but that was mostly a give-away to the drug companies.  Full retail.  What a joke.


SHUDDER
what a nightmare
 
2013-11-18 06:38:09 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Well, I would say let's get to the table on a bipartisan basis and let's make sure that we have a plan that has more choice, not less," she said. "Let's have one where we're driving down costs and increasing competition. Have the insurance companies compete in a way that they aren't right now


You could start by repealing the McCarran-Ferguson Act, which gives the insurance industry an anti-trust exemption and allows them to collude, bid rig and price fix and circumvent other fundamental  "free market principles".

Of course, when a repeal was proposed by the Democrats and White House in 2009, the GOP and "defenders of the free market" threw a huge hissy fit.
 
2013-11-18 06:44:21 PM  
God damn I hate Kelly Ayote so farking much.
 
2013-11-18 06:48:08 PM  

Lunchlady: God damn I hate Kelly Ayote so farking much


You do seem to be "t"-d off at her.
 
2013-11-18 06:50:33 PM  
The Republican plan to everything:

Step 1: Fark up America.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
 
2013-11-18 06:51:01 PM  

Corvus: Translation: Let's basically do what Obamacare does but not with Obama being behind it so that we don't all have to instantly hate it!


That quote sounds like they want Obamacare plus the ability to buy plans from other states, and I wouldn't be surprised is if the Democrats gave it to them.  Then we'll all be farked.
 
2013-11-18 07:07:37 PM  
The Republicans have nothing. Status quo. Sadly, that's currently a winning hand.
 
2013-11-18 07:09:02 PM  

IrateShadow: That quote sounds like they want Obamacare plus the ability to buy plans from other states, and I wouldn't be surprised is if the Democrats gave it to them.  Then we'll all be farked.


Provided they kept the ACA regulations on minimal levels of coverages required to be offered, then it if they want to sell across lines I don't think it is that big a deal. You can sell plans across state lines now, you are just required to meet the minimum standards that the state sets up. OTOH I love this argument because in order for it to work, you are basically stripping states of their right to regulate their own insurance markets. We are the states rights party except when it is inconvenient.
 
2013-11-18 07:10:15 PM  
FTFA: "If the question is re-framed as 'What concrete steps can you take to lower cost and increase access?' we can play.

Yes, I'm sure you can "play".

Given the history of Republicans it would probably be something like this:

Health Plan cost lowered? Check
One office visit per calendar year? Check
$5000.00 Deductibles after first office visit? Check
Deductibles are per visit? Check
Health Plan doesn't cover any surgery? Check
Pregnancy not covered? Check
Subscribers can have their coverage retroactively revoked? Check
 
2013-11-18 07:11:50 PM  
~~The Ryan budget, the only consensus GOP proposal to reform health care, addresses Medicare and Medicaid reforms but largely returns the private health insurance system to the pre-Obamacare status quo upon wiping out the law's subsidies and mandates.

And the funniest farking thing about the Ryan budgets health care provisions?  It wanted to replace the single-payer aspects of Medicare with giving seniors some amount of money and letting them shop for themselves on a health insurance exchange.  Which pretty much sounds exactly like the concept for Obamacare.
 
2013-11-18 07:14:07 PM  
everyone with a single, functioning neuron

Unfortunately, that excludes most people who vote Republican.
 
2013-11-18 07:15:34 PM  
I thought the GOP did have an alternative health care plan they proposed because they were afraid the Democratic plan was too hasty and partisan: Tax subsidies for people to buy private insurance through state marketplaces and a minimum standard of coverage to qualify.

That was twenty years ago. Apparently the Republicans want the health care debate to be made in Old Entish.
 
2013-11-18 07:19:16 PM  
By definition ,"we" refers to the entire federal government from the prez on down. Then yes, I would agree with that.  Perhaps they should just stay out of it and let the free market work.
 
2013-11-18 07:21:23 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Let me oversimplify:


Just a tiny correction.


nyseattitude: FTFA: "If the question is re-framed as 'What concrete steps can you take to lower cost and increase access?' we can play.

Yes, I'm sure you can "play".

Given the history of Republicans it would probably be something like this:

Health Plan cost lowered? Check
One office visit per calendar year? Check
$5000.00 Deductibles after first office visit? Check
Deductibles are per visit? Check
Health Plan doesn't cover any surgery? Check
Pregnancy not covered? Check
Subscribers can have their coverage retroactively revoked? Check


You forgot that perennial gem, "doesn't cover prescriptions".  Check!
 
2013-11-18 07:22:52 PM  

Corvus: Translation: Let's basically do what Obamacare does but not with Obama being behind it so that we don't all have to instantly hate it!


Sadly, this is pretty much it.
 
2013-11-18 07:24:02 PM  

Corvus: Hey they have a FULL plan. And it's only ONE page!!!

[s3.amazonaws.com image 308x444]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-18 07:26:03 PM  

tinderboxer: IrateShadow: That quote sounds like they want Obamacare plus the ability to buy plans from other states, and I wouldn't be surprised is if the Democrats gave it to them.  Then we'll all be farked.

Provided they kept the ACA regulations on minimal levels of coverages required to be offered, then it if they want to sell across lines I don't think it is that big a deal. You can sell plans across state lines now, you are just required to meet the minimum standards that the state sets up. OTOH I love this argument because in order for it to work, you are basically stripping states of their right to regulate their own insurance markets. We are the states rights party except when it is inconvenient.


Much like almost any issue, whether you're for or against "states rights" in this case depends on how you frame the matter.  A Republican might say that this is pro-states rights, because rather than relying on federal intervention to artificially create a fair playing field, it allows states to compete against each other to attract the business of national insurance providers.   States would have the  right to race to the bottom in an attempt to create the most insurer-friendly laws and regulations in the country.
 
2013-11-18 07:35:13 PM  

namatad: Marcus Aurelius: The GOP did pass Medicare part "D" in 2003, but that was mostly a give-away to the drug companies.  Full retail.  What a joke.

SHUDDER
what a nightmare


Sure, make fun of it now.  Wait until YOU see the donut hole.
 
2013-11-18 07:41:16 PM  
"Some people don't deserve health care" is their actual position, but that won't help them win elections until they finish purging voter rolls of people who don't deserve to vote.
 
2013-11-18 07:45:13 PM  
Socialised medicine works well in other countries, but you won't hear that from Big Pharma.
 
2013-11-18 07:51:42 PM  
Does anyone remember that Obamacare aka the ACA was a Republican sponsored plan to begin with?
 
2013-11-18 07:54:35 PM  
If the GOP thinks it has to offer an alternative every time the Democrats come up with a new Crisis That Government Can Fix, they will never win another election.

Repeat after me Republicans: "It's another bad nanny state idea that we can't afford".
 
2013-11-18 07:56:52 PM  

cchris_39: Repeat after me Republicans: "It's another bad nanny state idea that we can't afford".


Then they can bring out the charts and graphs
 
2013-11-18 07:57:03 PM  

Nuuu: tinderboxer: IrateShadow: That quote sounds like they want Obamacare plus the ability to buy plans from other states, and I wouldn't be surprised is if the Democrats gave it to them.  Then we'll all be farked.

Provided they kept the ACA regulations on minimal levels of coverages required to be offered, then it if they want to sell across lines I don't think it is that big a deal. You can sell plans across state lines now, you are just required to meet the minimum standards that the state sets up. OTOH I love this argument because in order for it to work, you are basically stripping states of their right to regulate their own insurance markets. We are the states rights party except when it is inconvenient.

Much like almost any issue, whether you're for or against "states rights" in this case depends on how you frame the matter.  A Republican might say that this is pro-states rights, because rather than relying on federal intervention to artificially create a fair playing field, it allows states to compete against each other to attract the business of national insurance providers.   States would have the  right to race to the bottom in an attempt to create the most insurer-friendly laws and regulations in the country.


The real kicker would be if the Dems slipped in a provision that allowed residents in state AA to enroll in state BB's Medicaid plan.
 
2013-11-18 08:04:13 PM  

Gawdzila: RedPhoenix122: Let me oversimplify:

Just a tiny correction.


nyseattitude: FTFA: "If the question is re-framed as 'What concrete steps can you take to lower cost and increase access?' we can play.

Yes, I'm sure you can "play".

Given the history of Republicans it would probably be something like this:

Health Plan cost lowered? Check
One office visit per calendar year? Check
$5000.00 Deductibles after first office visit? Check
Deductibles are per visit? Check
Health Plan doesn't cover any surgery? Check
Pregnancy not covered? Check
Subscribers can have their coverage retroactively revoked? Check

You forgot that perennial gem, "doesn't cover prescriptions".  Check!


And especially not contraceptives!
 
2013-11-18 08:05:25 PM  

cchris_39: If the GOP thinks it has to offer an alternative every time the Democrats come up with a new Crisis That Government Can Fix, they will never win another election....Repeat after me Republicans: "It's another bad nanny state idea that we can't afford".


ALSO SEE:

Nem Wan:
"Some people don't deserve health care" is their actual position, but that won't help them win elections until they finish purging voter rolls of people who don't deserve to vote.
 
2013-11-18 08:07:56 PM  

Thunderbox: Socialised medicine works well in other countries, but you won't hear that from Big Pharma.


Hmm, I don't think Big Pharma would have a big issue with socialised medicine, they would be more interested in the repeal of Medicare Part D (I think?) which forces the government to pay top dollar for their drugs. Obamacare is likely to increase their profits a little through increased coverage. "Big Health Insurance" on the other hand has almost everything to lose with socialised medicine (depending on the model used), although obviously Obamacare isn't really anything down that route it is probably fairly neutral overall to the insurance industry, although no doubt they would love to kill it just to avoid having a precedent of the government managing large scale reform might make future politicians interested in doing so again, they want major healthcare reform to be seen as toxic to all politicians.
 
2013-11-18 08:10:43 PM  

abb3w: The real kicker would be if the Dems slipped in a provision that allowed residents in state AA to enroll in state BB's Medicaid plan.


Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease.

I want to see the Republican gubernatorial butthurt over that one.
 
2013-11-18 08:19:06 PM  

xria: Thunderbox: Socialised medicine works well in other countries, but you won't hear that from Big Pharma.

Hmm, I don't think Big Pharma would have a big issue with socialised medicine, they would be more interested in the repeal of Medicare Part D (I think?)


I'm not saying that I can get every prescription filled for $4 at Winn Dixie or Target WITHOUT any prescription plan whatsoever, but that's what I can do.

Make your Doc prescribe generics, the drug cos HATE it, and give him tons of free shiat and beaver shots from the drug girls so he keeps pushing Tier 3 and 4 crap.
 
2013-11-18 08:19:33 PM  

Evil High Priest: The old system was fine. Everyone liked their coverage, and prices never went up.


And it always worked all the time, and for everyone.
 
2013-11-18 08:24:42 PM  
Like a dog chasing a car, they have no idea what they'd do if they caught it...
 
2013-11-18 08:38:30 PM  
Allow me to expound: Neither gop nor dems have any credibility or integrity. Thanks~!
 
2013-11-18 08:39:32 PM  

Turbo Cojones: xria: Thunderbox: Socialised medicine works well in other countries, but you won't hear that from Big Pharma.

Hmm, I don't think Big Pharma would have a big issue with socialised medicine, they would be more interested in the repeal of Medicare Part D (I think?)

I'm not saying that I can get every prescription filled for $4 at Winn Dixie or Target WITHOUT any prescription plan whatsoever, but that's what I can do.

Make your Doc prescribe generics, the drug cos HATE it, and give him tons of free shiat and beaver shots from the drug girls so he keeps pushing Tier 3 and 4 crap.


That's nice until you need something that's not available in generic or need a specialty medicine.
 
2013-11-18 08:41:02 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Evil High Priest: The old system was fine. Everyone liked their coverage, and prices never went up.

And it always worked all the time, and for everyone.


Never you mind the little mentally ill in the corner there. They are fed quite well, you know!
 
2013-11-18 08:45:36 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: cchris_39: Repeat after me Republicans: "It's another bad nanny state idea that we can't afford".

Then they can bring out the charts and graphs


I read that, and immediately Alice's Restaurant popped into my head.

And there was the eight-by-ten colored glossy pictures, with the circles and arrows, and the paragraph on the back of each one explainin' what each one was...

Odd that.
 
m00
2013-11-18 08:48:01 PM  
Socialized. Medicine.
 
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