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2013-11-18 01:11:37 PM
21 votes:
There is something seriously wrong with this country.
2013-11-18 03:05:41 PM
18 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.



This sentiment is sadly too common. There are many flaws in it.

First of all, a functional economy needs ALL kinds of labor - both skilled and unskilled - and there aren't enough 16 year olds to do all those jobs. If everyone one could and did take your advice our society would grind to a halt. Waiters are needed. Shelf-stockers are needed. Cash register people are needed. Someone to sweep a sidewalk is needed... etc. Your patronizing attitude towards people who do those jobs doesn't change that simple reality.

Second, these are people doing an honest day's work. Anyone who is doing an honest days work should be compensated enough to survive. Anything less is something akin to indentured servitude.

Third, your condescension towards that entire class of people belies a moral failing, or at least a conceptual failing on your own part. No doubt many of those people work harder than you or I do. Not only that, but "unskilled labor" is a label we use, but it doesn't actually mean those people have no skills.

Fourth, the compound effects of the steady wage destruction since the late 70's mean that we now have a whole lot of "underemployment" - which means that many of those skilled workers you are so mindlessly exhorting folks to be are working in those unskilled capacities now.

I could probably go on, but I need to get back to work myself. As you can see though, your sentiment is critically flawed in many ways.
2013-11-18 01:22:28 PM
17 votes:
Also, I wonder which response is more likely from Wal-Mart if this really causes a viral internet outrage:

1) Gosh, wow, people are right. We thought we were being compassionate in facilitating an area for our employees to donate food to their needier co-workers, but now we understand that the very fact we needed to do this indicates that we're not paying the people we depend on to keep our stores operating enough money to survive. We get it now, we've been exploiting  the poor for entirely too long and underwriting our workforce with the sort of social safety net programs that our political arm actually rails against to score anti-regulation and anti-taxation points. Thank you for holding up this mirror for us to see ourselves and for giving us the opportunity to change.
2) Attention Wal-Mart employees: Due to recent unfavorable media coverage, any employees found bringing outside items into a store for the purposes of donation to another employee will be terminated immediately.
2013-11-18 01:12:27 PM
17 votes:
But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"
2013-11-18 02:46:56 PM
16 votes:
This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

So it isn't enough to just not shop there. Every taxpayer is supporting this usurious system.

The destruction of the wages and wealth of the majority of Americans over the last few decades - so a favored very few can amass grotesque amounts of wealth at everyone else's expense - is a huge problem and I don't mean morally. It's a problem because it weakens our economy in general. It slows economic recovery, and hurts the job market. It's a serious threat to the country.

Our economy runs on consumption. The poorer the consumers are, the slower and weaker our economy is going to get. Our economic strength in the past relied in no small part on the vast wealth that the American system had created and distributed among the majority of the citizens, allowing for a vibrant and healthy economy. Now that wages and wealth are on the decline for the lower and middle classes not only do we have less capital to trade back and forth supporting each other, but the less capital we have means it's harder for the next small business to be created by that enterprising fellow in his garage... which impacts the creative destruction a system like ours needs.

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have less ability to repay then they would have had in the past. The only folks who benefit from this system are the money changers who run the debt industry.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-18 02:33:44 PM
14 votes:

URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't.  However, since the word in ear of a congressman from anyone named "Walton" is worth about 20 million times mine they keep making sure the playing field keeps tilted in their direction.

The Walton family gets tax abatements all across the country to put in box stores that pull this shiat.  This makes it the business of every one of us.
2013-11-18 02:31:25 PM
11 votes:
This is old news. I worked for Wal Mart for many years as a Personnel Manager, and we used to do a "Secret Santa" tree every year for our employees who needed help with food and toys for their family every Holiday Season. Although I enjoyed the feeling of giving to people (especially kids) in need, I did think it was strange that we were giving to families who actually WORKED for the company. One of the many reasons I ended up leaving the company after almost 10 Years. I just couldn't support the hypocrisy anymore.

/ CSS
2013-11-18 01:25:54 PM
11 votes:

Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.


BunkoSquad: They're actually asking employees to donate food to each other (more complete story). Wal-Mart surely doesn't want the customers to get the idea that the staff is underpaid and desperate.


I'm more concerned with the idea that any Wal-Mart would have enough employees who are so poor as to need help that they have to have an organized food drive for them.  No matter who they are asking to contribute.  I can see, "Oh, Jane's a part-time employee whose husband lost his job, let's help her out" happening, and that's laudable.  But this says to me that there are enough employees to need an organized program to help them.

That's just wrong.
2013-11-18 01:15:55 PM
10 votes:
They're actually asking employees to donate food to each other (more complete story). Wal-Mart surely doesn't want the customers to get the idea that the staff is underpaid and desperate.
2013-11-18 01:14:34 PM
10 votes:

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


And we need to slash spending on food stamp programs and keep corporate taxes low becuase, once again, socialism.
2013-11-18 01:48:15 PM
9 votes:
A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.


Like working for WalMart?
2013-11-18 02:38:25 PM
8 votes:
2013-11-18 02:34:55 PM
8 votes:

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


It's paid for one way or another. It's just a question of who. Since Wal-Mart's owners aren't paying enough we pick up the slack via food stamps and such. We're subsidizing Wal-Mart's payroll.
2013-11-18 01:44:30 PM
8 votes:
I am unsure how to think

I am outraged, pissed, confused.

I am having a very difficult time of putting words to what I feel

I really wish this wasn't true. I really wish this was a lie.

Unfortunately its not. This is life. This is reality. This is what we are, what we have become.
2013-11-18 01:15:15 PM
8 votes:
This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.
2013-11-18 02:33:27 PM
7 votes:

URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.



I don't shop there and I still don't like it.
2013-11-18 02:30:18 PM
7 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?


Most of their employees have been held to part-time hours for decades.  Any time you see them brag about the average wage of a full-time Walmart employee, know that they are purposely removing 80-90% of their workforce from that average by not including the part-time workers.
2013-11-18 02:42:57 PM
6 votes:

URAPNIS: kiteless: URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't shop there and I still don't like it.

No one is forcing the employees to work there either.
They should be happy to have a job.



They should be happy to be exploited in a country where they are hostage to a high unemployment rate?  Got it.
2013-11-18 02:36:05 PM
6 votes:
If only there was some way that a Walmart could come up with some food to donate without trying to extract it from the workers.


cloud.empowerednews.net

It would be cheaper than the public relations that it will take to live this down.
2013-11-18 01:50:05 PM
6 votes:

Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?


getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?
2013-11-18 01:32:19 PM
6 votes:
The Stealth Hippopotamus:There are many reason why someone would need help other than "haha Wal-Mart doesn't pay"

Which is a totally valid point that does not in any way diminish the fact that Walmart pays their employees far too little to the point where many are forced to rely on charity or government assistance just to make ends meet.

/also depresses the market wage which screws over other wage earners too.
2013-11-18 01:25:01 PM
6 votes:
*reads article*

h.a.d-cd.net


Seriously, this is disgustingly low...even for Walmart.  F*ck that company.
2013-11-18 03:22:27 PM
5 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.


Or maybe you could realize the world need manual labor and abusing them, treating them with contempt, or paying them poorly is an abhorrent practice to do to your fellow human beings, and people who do this to them deserve scorn, public shaming, and if necessary, to be drug through the courts, depending on how heinous the actions they take are.
Now then, since you have even less of an idea how the world works than I do, and seem to lack a conscience, go sit down and stay quiet while the adults are talking, little child.
2013-11-18 03:11:28 PM
5 votes:

Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.


That's worse... much worse actually.   This is asking the poor to pay for the broke.  Classy Walmart, classy.   Maybe they should spend some of their massive political donations to help their suffering employees eh?
2013-11-18 03:02:33 PM
5 votes:
duanegraham.files.wordpress.com
2013-11-18 02:49:01 PM
5 votes:

mongbiohazard: This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

So it isn't enough to just not shop there. Every taxpayer is supporting this usurious system.

The destruction of the wages and wealth of the majority of Americans over the last few decades - so a favored very few can amass grotesque amounts of wealth at everyone else's expense - is a huge problem and I don't mean morally. It's a problem because it weakens our economy in general. It slows economic recovery, and hurts the job market. It's a serious threat to the country.

Our economy runs on consumption. The poorer the consumers are, the slower and weaker our economy is going to get. Our economic strength in the past relied in no small part on the vast wealth that the American system had created and distributed among the majority of the citizens, allowing for a vibrant and healthy economy. Now that wages and wealth are on the decline for the lower and middle classes not only do we have less capital to trade back and forth supporting each other, but the less capital we have means it's harder for the next small business to be created by that enterprising fellow in his garage... which impacts the creative destruction a system like ours needs.

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have less ability t ...


What we are doing is unsustainable.

We cannot go on and on expecting food stamps to magically make everyone's lives better

Wages HAVE to go up. Its just that simple.
2013-11-18 02:42:24 PM
5 votes:

URAPNIS: kiteless: URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't shop there and I still don't like it.

No one is forcing the employees to work there either.
They should be happy to have a job.


That your taxes are subsidizing.  A winnar is you!
2013-11-18 02:34:18 PM
5 votes:

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.
2013-11-18 01:41:07 PM
5 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Voiceofreason01: Which is a totally valid point that does not in any way diminish the fact that Walmart pays their employees far too little to the point where many are forced to rely on charity or government assistance just to make ends meet.

So you believe this, so they shouldn't help people out because it would look bad?! Why not applaud this locale store for doing something right?


I think it's fine that they are organizing a food drive. I also think they should not be allowed to exploit their employees the way they do.
2013-11-18 01:33:59 PM
5 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Why? What if someone's family just lost the other paycheck? What if they just had triplets? What if someone was in a car wreak and couldn't work the hours?

There are many reason why someone would need help other than "haha Wal-Mart doesn't pay"


Oh, I agree, there's plenty of good reasons for Wal-Mart to do this. And, actually, lots of companies do things like this around the holidays.

But when you set this alongside the well-established issues around worker compensation and Wal-Mart, and frame it with the short-on-details article that actually got greenlit, you'd have to be blind to not see how this has the potential to play very, very badly from a media relations perspective.
2013-11-18 03:55:33 PM
4 votes:

stuff12345: if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.



stateofworkingamerica.org


There are about three people for every one job available. It is not 'really that simple' for many of them.
2013-11-18 03:24:16 PM
4 votes:

orclover: If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.


This is the big fear.  The 1% has become SO greedy and SO obnoxious about it that violent upheaval is almost inevitable, but because they all live in their own little fantasy worlds they figure that it's okay as long as its not them.  Meanwhile, what's left of the middle class is looking at everybody going, WTF happenned?
2013-11-18 03:16:28 PM
4 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.


because there are tens of millions of jobs here unfilled that pay really good and have excellent benefits but no one smart enough to do them?
2013-11-18 03:11:30 PM
4 votes:

redstarr01: I don't like Wal-Mart.  I haven't set foot in one in almost 3 years because I don't want to give them a penny of my own money.

But this situation seems like people trying to do something nice for their co-workers.  I'm guessing there are probably a couple of people that have some extra tough situations going on that everyone wants to help out and rather than embarrass them by taking up a collection just for them, they're making it look like they're helping out a bunch of families.  Instead of hitting everyone up individually "Hey, Karen's really broke while she's going through cancer treatments, wanna chip in for her Thanksgiving.?" or "Hey, Bob's wife got laid off and he's got six kids and he's really worried." and Karen and Bob knowing that everyone's putting on a charity drive just for them, it's a drive for "all the needy families".  And I can see wanting to make it easy for everyone to help Karen and Bob out without anyone having to come up to either of them directly and give them a handout. The bins make it a lot more anonymous.  And they also make it so that even management can be involved in donating without it looking like they're playing favorites with an employee or two or the employees who receive the generosity feeling like they owe the boss something extra for it or will be perceived as owing them something extra for it.  Plus, it makes it so that anyone having a tough time making ends meet themselves won't have to be approached to kick in to help out and feel bad about having to not participate.  The bin is there.  If you want to help and have the means to share, go for it.  If you don't, you aren't pressured to do anything.


The article notes that they have been doing this for several years so I would say the hardship is systematic rather than occasional.
2013-11-18 02:56:50 PM
4 votes:
Give the employees food for Thanksgiving or don't. Either way they'll still be working Thanksgiving Day.
2013-11-18 02:54:03 PM
4 votes:

vabeard: Every company - medical facilities - I have ever worked for has always encouraged donations to less fortunate employees.


Its kinda sad considering that Walmart stocks a shiatton of food and they have the gall to ask their lowly paid employees to share
2013-11-18 02:39:32 PM
4 votes:

URAPNIS: kiteless: URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't shop there and I still don't like it.

No one is forcing the employees to work there either.
They should be happy to have a job.


Just like Ukrainians should be happy that the KGB protected them from the capitalists?

They should be happy to live
2013-11-18 02:32:21 PM
4 votes:
With all the money the Walton's make, why don't THEY fill those bins with food for THEIR needy employees?

Oh, I forgot, they have to answer to the stockholders.
2013-11-18 02:28:20 PM
4 votes:
I'll donate a letter to my congresspeople asking them to force walmart to pay it's employees more by passing minimum wage law. fark walmart
2013-11-18 02:26:46 PM
4 votes:
And yet people shop there in record numbers because ... they can't afford to shop anywhere else.

/"Its the cirrrrrrcccle of dystopiaaaaa!"
2013-11-18 02:26:35 PM
4 votes:
fark you Walmart.
2013-11-18 01:46:38 PM
4 votes:

b2theory: There is something seriously wrong with this country.


You just figured this out?
2013-11-18 01:21:13 PM
4 votes:
You have GOT to be sh*tting me
2013-11-18 01:16:47 PM
4 votes:
Well, that sucks all around.  I won't be going into a Walmart to shop, making the problem worse, I guess.
2013-11-18 01:14:15 PM
4 votes:
Oh for Fark's sake.
2013-11-19 04:24:31 AM
3 votes:

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


People like you are beyond my comprehension. You seem to lack even basic forethought or common sense.

Do you live in this country? Do you pay taxes? Do you not seem to comprehend that companies like Wal-mart who turn their work force into indentured servants who must leech off your government, YOU are literally paying for it in your already too damned high taxes? Do you not comprehend this simple, basic, obvious truth? Do you like getting mugged or ripped off? Do you not realize the longer this goes on, every company on the planet is going to look at this and copy-suit for more and more profit (and why the hell shouldn't they?)? Are you just blazingly, mind-numbingly stupid?

I can only conclude either your last name is "Walton," you work for the chinese government, or you don't work at all.
2013-11-18 04:30:34 PM
3 votes:

Joe Blowme: Start you own retail store and then pay your employees anything you want.


Can't afford to, Walmart is distorting the labor and retail markets in a way that stifles competition and disadvantages people who sell their labor and they're doing it (at least partially) at the expense of the public. In a civilized country what they're doing would be illegal.
2013-11-18 03:54:59 PM
3 votes:
I am 50 years old. I have been working since I was 15, except for 2 years off to finish college.  I have worked at many types and sizes of businesses.  I have seen many of those businesses soliciting its employees for charitable donations for many causes over the years.  I have never seen or heard of a company asking its employees to give donations to its fellow employes, outside of a major disaster zone, e.g. give to help employees displaced by Hurricane Katrina.

This is a goddam disgrace and Wal-mart should be ashamed.  And McDonald's sending its employees to the state to get food stamps, when they farking sell "food," is also a disgrace.
2013-11-18 03:45:58 PM
3 votes:

Prophet of Loss: Its funny that we are technically our own keepers since America is a representational democracy and we choose to abuse ourselves on the aggregate.

It amazing how so many individual selfish actions amount to a lower standard of living for nearly everyone.


I know right?  And the level of hubris in the upper class is truly appalling.  I mean, at least Caligula was entertaining.
2013-11-18 03:15:56 PM
3 votes:

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


static.comicvine.com
2013-11-18 03:15:35 PM
3 votes:

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


You're an idiot.  With 20% youth unemployment, retail jobs are rare and hard to get.  Keep the fark up.
2013-11-18 03:14:08 PM
3 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Hmm, I was wondering how long it would take for this line of thinking to pop up here.


Right up there with "Can't afford health insurance? DON'T GET SICK!!"
2013-11-18 03:10:00 PM
3 votes:

monoski: Thanks Obama.

//107 posts and I am first to blame Fartbongo.


Sometimes there are things that are just so wrong that we can see clearly without any bullshiat who is at fault. Partisan politics can be put aside for a few things.

This is one of those times.

This is complete horse shiat. What Walmart is doing is completely disgraceful.
2013-11-18 03:03:16 PM
3 votes:

d23: Carn: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.

I would patronize costco if there was one near me.

Secondly, Sam's Club is basically the same store, so that doesn't make much sense.


I've been thinking about getting a Costco membership and shopping there on occasion only for the fact that they treat their people well.  I wish Wegman's were closer to me too.
2013-11-18 02:53:56 PM
3 votes:

cman: mongbiohazard: This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

So it isn't enough to just not shop there. Every taxpayer is supporting this usurious system.

The destruction of the wages and wealth of the majority of Americans over the last few decades - so a favored very few can amass grotesque amounts of wealth at everyone else's expense - is a huge problem and I don't mean morally. It's a problem because it weakens our economy in general. It slows economic recovery, and hurts the job market. It's a serious threat to the country.

Our economy runs on consumption. The poorer the consumers are, the slower and weaker our economy is going to get. Our economic strength in the past relied in no small part on the vast wealth that the American system had created and distributed among the majority of the citizens, allowing for a vibrant and healthy economy. Now that wages and wealth are on the decline for the lower and middle classes not only do we have less capital to trade back and forth supporting each other, but the less capital we have means it's harder for the next small business to be created by that enterprising fellow in his garage... which impacts the creative destruction a system like ours needs.

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have ...


I am glad you agree that we need toraise the minimum wage
2013-11-18 02:50:57 PM
3 votes:
Wal-Mart turned a profit of $15.7 billion last year.

The ghosts of xmas past, present and future will be visiting the CEO.
2013-11-18 02:49:06 PM
3 votes:

zulius: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.

Some, wwe leaking? :p
/since my wage went up, been shopping at target, but Apparently, they're no better to their employees anymore


In a straight comparison, they do treat their people significantly better than Walmart, even if the wages aren't massively higher on a dollar-to-dollar scale.

That said though, it is akin to saying the 6th level of Dante's inferno is better than the 9th level.  You'd be technically correct, but in practical terms, it still sucks.
2013-11-18 01:37:12 PM
3 votes:
Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.

img.fark.net
2013-11-18 09:06:19 PM
2 votes:
leadmetal:  Why is the market rate low?

it couldn't be because Walmart is the largest low wage employer in the country, can undercut their smaller competitors putting them out of their business and so can pretty much pay anything they want.

I do agree that the whole problem has in no small part been caused by a failure of monetary policy and ineffective regulation but the answer is not no regulation but better regulation and setting the minimum wage at a livable wage would be a much needed transfer of wealth to the bottom of the economic ladder.
2013-11-18 05:52:11 PM
2 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: whidbey: Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.

Great. So why don't you quit your job and become one?

I'm doing just fine... but thanks for your concern.


Well then maybe you should take some of your free time out and learn what it means to be trapped into a cycle of poverty. Because you obviously don't know, hence the free advice.
2013-11-18 04:40:55 PM
2 votes:
Here's how to make a living:
1) If you're a 16 year old, get a job at a Walmart.
2) If you're older than that, you need to get a degree, you idiot.
3) If you get a degree, you're an idiot and no one told you there would be a job waiting for you, you ... snowflake.
4) Have your parents give you $20,000 and start a multi-billion dollar corporation due to the tax breaks you'll get for donating $100K to various politicians' campaigns.  (Forgot to add: have your parents give you $100K to bribe the politicians).
5) You made it to this step without a job or owning a corporation? Lazy ass!  Go get a job in retail!  It's not as if there aren't any jobs in retail.
6) There is no step 6.  You need to go on food stamps and welfare, dumb ass!  Serves you right for not being born a Walton.  By the way, we're cutting out food stamps, you lazy, overeducated commie snowflake.
2013-11-18 04:33:41 PM
2 votes:
If Walmart just took say 250 million of that 15.7 billion they make in a year, and dedicated it to profit sharing among it's employees, can you image how much different it would be?  People working there might actually be semi-pleasant. The stores might actually be bearable to go into and not make you feel like your soul is being sucked out.

In turn, they might actually MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY and shed some of the negative reputation  It's a crazy thought but it just might work.
2013-11-18 04:30:46 PM
2 votes:

Joe Blowme: Its called reality, life aint always fair, get used to it.


that's what they can say to the shareholders after the government forces walmart to pay a higher wage.
2013-11-18 04:01:25 PM
2 votes:

Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.


Actually worse in my opinion. They recognize they have employees in need so rather than doing something for them corporately (with some of their $12 billion in annual profits) they are basically asking other employees to subsidize them (and I am sure if you don;t buy your canned goods at Wal-mart you'll hear from somebody)
2013-11-18 04:00:17 PM
2 votes:

theorellior: orclover: This will only get worse. A lot worse.

Blood in the streets, at some point.


No.

i.imgur.com
2013-11-18 03:54:45 PM
2 votes:

FinFangFark: I love how all the turds form the politics tab waddle their way into a thread and try to turn it in to a political discussion about the fact that Walmart is asking employees to give to their coworkers out of the kindness of their hear------WHY DOESN'T WALMART JUST GIVE THEM THE FOOD THEN.

/fark the right wingers, fark the left wingers
//this is exactly why we can't have nice things, Pepper


I thought we couldn't have nice things cause wages are sh*t these days.
2013-11-18 03:49:24 PM
2 votes:
US banks received $83 billion in public money this year because they're "too big to fail".
2013-11-18 03:49:24 PM
2 votes:

Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart


Wow man, so you think Unions will fix the problem... right?
2013-11-18 03:49:19 PM
2 votes:

orclover: This will only get worse. A lot worse.


Blood in the streets, at some point.
2013-11-18 03:48:14 PM
2 votes:

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


People who make derogatory blanket statements instead of a counter argument tend to:
1. Be morons.
2. Troll internet forums.
2013-11-18 03:44:06 PM
2 votes:
Its funny that we are technically our own keepers since America is a representational democracy and we choose to abuse ourselves on the aggregate.

It amazing how so many individual selfish actions amount to a lower standard of living for nearly everyone.
2013-11-18 03:19:32 PM
2 votes:
How about linking to the actual article by the people who actually did the reporting, instead of some web site making money off of other people's work?

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/11/is_walmarts_requ es t_of_associa.html
2013-11-18 03:18:50 PM
2 votes:
oh....the numbers are just what they made recently.

The actual numbers
#9 - $39.3 billion
#10 - $37.4 billion
#11 - $ 36.4 billion
#12 - $ 35.7 billion
sorry for the confusion
2013-11-18 03:13:14 PM
2 votes:

Felgraf: I am glad you agree that we need toraise the minimum wage



We need to do a lot more than just raise the minimum wage, my friend. It would be good to raise it, but stopping there is simply not going to be enough to fix the disaster we're building for ourselves one mountain of dynastic wealth at a time.
2013-11-18 03:05:45 PM
2 votes:

BunkoSquad: They're actually asking employees to donate food to each other (more complete story). Wal-Mart surely doesn't want the customers to get the idea that the staff is underpaid and desperate.


Where are the employees expected to purchase their intended donations from, hmm?

I'll give you one guess.
2013-11-18 03:05:28 PM
2 votes:
I know, lets add 11-20 million more unskilled workers and see if that fixes anything besides elections for the next 100 years
2013-11-18 02:56:49 PM
2 votes:
If you want to see real hilarity, read the comments after the article.  The inability to create a complete sentence and follow the simple rules of grammar are hilarious.

Every company has employees that are hit with issues outside of work, requiring charity.  Wal-Mart was only asking their better off employees to be charitable to their employees who are in need.  But NOOOOOOOOOOOO!,  we have to go with the rabid hate baiting of Wal-Mart, which always makes for a good thread.

Troll On!
2013-11-18 02:51:50 PM
2 votes:

Deep Contact: Wal-Mart turned a profit of $15.7 billion last year.

The ghosts of xmas past, present and future will be visiting the CEO.


and then will be turned into a cheap light-up Christmas light display, which will be available on Black Friday for a rollback price of $19.99!!
2013-11-18 02:39:16 PM
2 votes:
Walmart will respond by firing the store manager and sending his underlings to "re-education seminars" to ensure this never happens again.

...and then they'll light their Cuban cigars with $100 bills while spilling Cristal on their $3,000 suits and laughing maniacally.
2013-11-18 02:37:29 PM
2 votes:

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


Hmm, I was wondering how long it would take for this line of thinking to pop up here.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-18 02:36:15 PM
2 votes:

MechaPyx: Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"

It's paid for one way or another. It's just a question of who. Since Wal-Mart's owners aren't paying enough we pick up the slack via food stamps and such. We're subsidizing Wal-Mart's payroll.


For some reason this argument constantly sails over the head of the local yokels.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-18 02:35:30 PM
2 votes:

Carn: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.


I would patronize costco if there was one near me.

Secondly, Sam's Club is basically the same store, so that doesn't make much sense.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-18 02:34:37 PM
2 votes:

iheartscotch: Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"

Well, and there is a causal link between raising the minimum wage and inflation.


oh I hate this meme.. but...

[citation needed]
2013-11-18 02:26:59 PM
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: But this says to me that there are enough employees to need an organized program to help them.


Yes, it's called "food stamps".

Fark Wal-Mart.
2013-11-18 01:59:04 PM
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.


Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.
2013-11-18 01:49:10 PM
2 votes:
Always farking Americans. Always

On the bright side, at least we've been subsidizing health care so their stock price will go up a couple points
2013-11-19 04:10:56 AM
1 votes:
Again, why are our lawmakers not like lawmakers of other countries who have common sense? When Wal-mart came into Europe and tried it's shiat, most European countries enacted laws that require if you make X level of profit, you are required to provide Y level of pay/benefit to your workers. It's just fugging common sense to do this otherwise you end up where we are now, companies who are utterly ignoring their social contracts with society just for more and more profit which does nothing but sit around in a bank for perpetuity anyways. Why the blue hells are my tax dollars going to pay for some poor soul's health care and food stamps when they work for a company that made $15.7 billion last year and why is my government letting me get ripped off?!
2013-11-19 02:09:00 AM
1 votes:

sufferpuppet: oing thousands into debt with no marketable skills to show for it is a poor choice.


Thing is, what is a marketable skill? And why should everyone just have one? What happened to employers training people? The second you discourage anyone from studying whatever it is they really want to study and instead bring up gaining money, you have engaged in anti-intellectualism.
2013-11-18 11:32:37 PM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


The belligerent and blatant ignorance of people like you isn't even amusing anymore.

It's insulting to the people of this nation as a whole and a wholesale conviction on education.

People like you are a large part of the problem yet your level of ignorance is so high that it bars you from even realizing it.
2013-11-18 06:48:09 PM
1 votes:

inglixthemad: Pocket Ninja: Also, I wonder which response is more likely from Wal-Mart if this really causes a viral internet outrage:

1) Gosh, wow, people are right. We thought we were being compassionate in facilitating an area for our employees to donate food to their needier co-workers, but now we understand that the very fact we needed to do this indicates that we're not paying the people we depend on to keep our stores operating enough money to survive. We get it now, we've been exploiting  the poor for entirely too long and underwriting our workforce with the sort of social safety net programs that our political arm actually rails against to score anti-regulation and anti-taxation points. Thank you for holding up this mirror for us to see ourselves and for giving us the opportunity to change.
2) Attention Wal-Mart employees: Due to recent unfavorable media coverage, any employees found bringing outside items into a store for the purposes of donation to another employee will be terminated immediately.

Either works for me. I'm also working on getting people who work even 1 minute a week kicked off of food stamps.

I figure if the right wing wants businesses off the hook, I want off the hook as well. I live a very modest looking lifestyle. I love my small house (compared to others who make the same amount) and cheaper car. I won't be targeted by the angry mobs.


Wouldn't that be nice... the angry mobs won't be checking to see if you live within your means. You'll have nicer things than they do, so you'll be a target, whether you're actually part of the problem or not. That's why so many people are for raising minimum wage, etc., because we don't want a replay of the French Revolution, where the "rich" were just killed indiscriminately, etc.
2013-11-18 06:46:45 PM
1 votes:

Thingster: Heffaloo: Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?

Most of their employees have been held to part-time hours for decades.  Any time you see them brag about the average wage of a full-time Walmart employee, know that they are purposely removing 80-90% of their workforce from that average by not including the part-time workers.

Its been a few years since I worked hourly (2009), but my p/t hours were capped because if an employee worked 32 (iirc) hours a week, three weeks in a row they were *federally* defined as a f/t employee.

It sucked, because all I wanted was hours and didn't want or need any of the f/t benefits.

So it's not just the companies capping hours to be greedy. There are legal reasons why they restrict hours.


No, that's pretty much greed. They need full time workers, but they don't want to pay for full time workers, so they just get more part timers and fark everyone to make a better profit, mostly because they can. That's kinda the definition of greed.
2013-11-18 06:16:36 PM
1 votes:
If you shop at Walmart, you are part of the problem.
2013-11-18 06:13:04 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.

Actually worse in my opinion. They recognize they have employees in need so rather than doing something for them corporately (with some of their $12 billion in annual profits) they are basically asking other employees to subsidize them (and I am sure if you don;t buy your canned goods at Wal-mart you'll hear from somebody)


If Liberals would stop going to Wal-mart to steal shiat maybe they could give raises. It is a known fact the they spend 55 % of profits on Liberal theft.

I made that number up but this time in history just being correct isn't important.
2013-11-18 05:59:51 PM
1 votes:

sufferpuppet: WhyteRaven74: sufferpuppet: Step 3a. If you're going to get a useful degree, get a degree. Useful degrees often have one or more of these words in them: Computer, Mechanical, Electrical, or Chemistry.

And here we have one of the major problems of America, anti-intellectualism.

Nothing anti-intellectual about it.  It in fact encourages the use of your intellect.  If your goal for college is to ultimately make money, going thousands into debt with no marketable skills to show for it is a poor choice.  Aim for a profession that will let you pay back that loan some day.

If your goal for your education isn't a financial one, grab your rainbow and make a wish.  Just don't get all teary eyed if the rest of the world doesn't appreciate your efforts.


You make a good point.  Those go-getter business school grads really did well for themselves in the past few decades.

They farked the economy and the 99%, but they have what they want and everyone else can go fark themselves.
2013-11-18 05:57:41 PM
1 votes:

sufferpuppet: If your goal for your education isn't a financial one, grab your rainbow and make a wish.  Just don't get all teary eyed if the rest of the world doesn't appreciate your efforts.


Let me guess, liberal arts/humanities degrees=shiat tier education
engineers=good

Because that's where we're headed with this.
2013-11-18 05:40:41 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: whidbey: Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.

That's the rub. It's easier just to look down and dispense free advice, I suppose.

I did it... can I dispense free advice?

Learn a trade... show up on time... work hard. It's not that hard.

Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.


Great. So why don't you quit your job and become one?
2013-11-18 05:26:07 PM
1 votes:

cman: I don't think its anti-illectualism. I believe we are more of anti-elitist. We Americans love learning about everything. It doesn't matter the subject, each American has something that they like to learn everything about.


retired.talkingpointsmemo.com
Ant
2013-11-18 05:13:10 PM
1 votes:

mongbiohazard: No doubt many of those people work harder than you or I do


Having done all kinds of jobs in my lifetime, from retail to assembly to yacht painting, to food service, I can definitely say they work a lot harder than I do nowadays. I'm in IT now, and I mostly get paid for knowing stuff, not for doing stuff.

Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.
2013-11-18 05:06:24 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Joe Blowme: Start you own retail store and then pay your employees anything you want.

Can't afford to, Walmart is distorting the labor and retail markets in a way that stifles competition and disadvantages people who sell their labor and they're doing it (at least partially) at the expense of the public. In a civilized country what they're doing would be illegal.


That assumes that they bear some responsibility for their employees.  They will pay as little as they can to get the staffing they need.  We can either tax them at a higher rate to offset the cost of providing government assistance to their underpaid employees or we can raise the minimum they pay to a level that doesn't require government assistance, or we can continue to allow this open wound in our economy to hemorrhage money while the business owners make out like bandits.  It's up to us because they have no incentive to change themselves.  Civilized countries pay wages their people can live on and tax their people at a rate that can pay for their expenses.  I'm having trouble thinking of a country that meets those criteria.
2013-11-18 05:06:21 PM
1 votes:
sufferpuppet:Step 3a.  If you're going to get a useful degree, get a degree.  Useful degrees often have one or more of these words in them:  Computer, Mechanical, Electrical, or Chemistry.  
Step 3b.  If you don't plan on getting a useful degree, skip college.  Try a trade school.

Failing either of those, proceed to step 5.


The fact is that the average real wage for most STEM careers hasn't gone up since the early 80's, just because you can earn a living wage while being ripped off doesn't mean that you're not being ripped off.
2013-11-18 04:57:34 PM
1 votes:

Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart


Not only are you mean spirited, but you are ignorant and stupid.

Why don't you do some research on Walmarts bully tactics on suppliers and such as, nimrod.
2013-11-18 04:50:12 PM
1 votes:
If you could rid the world of cancer or Wal-Mart, which would you choose? I find myself actually stopping to think about it.
2013-11-18 04:35:45 PM
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: cman: Joe Blowme: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.

So generous with OTHER peoples money

The economy is a tool to improve people's lives

That is the whole point of it

If it doesn't improve peoples lives then it isn't living up to its promise.

Its called reality, life aint always fair, get used to it.

/get busy living or get busy dying.... oh Andy


Life isn't fair? No shiat, Sherlock.

The economy is a great tool to not only improve lives but also to advance civilization. The technological wonders that have come thanks to modern banking and investment finance are easily overlooked. The rise of banking and the industrial revolution happened at the same time, and that isn't a coincidence.

How does basic economics work? Simple: velocity. The faster that money moves the better off the economy is because we are consuming more which forces businesses to increase production and R&D.

I love this technological paradise. I love it very much so. But, we can do much better. If we can speed up the exchange of money for goods we speed up everything that goes with it, including, as I said, technological advancements.

Velocity is a problem when people don't have money to spend. You can't draw blood from a stone.
2013-11-18 04:33:17 PM
1 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B


The Waltons weren't "given" $30B, the workers they refuse to pay a living wage to earned it for them.
2013-11-18 04:29:35 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Voiceofreason01: Which is a totally valid point that does not in any way diminish the fact that Walmart pays their employees far too little to the point where many are forced to rely on charity or government assistance just to make ends meet.

So you believe this, so they shouldn't help people out because it would look bad?! Why not applaud this locale store for doing something right?


Why not simply raise their wages by a dollar per hour or whatever so they can just buy the garbage they need?
2013-11-18 04:28:16 PM
1 votes:
"'That Wal-Mart would have the audacity to ask low-wage workers to donate food to other low-wage workers - to me, it is a moral outrage,' Norma Mills, a customer at the store."

Yet you continue to shop there?
2013-11-18 04:27:25 PM
1 votes:
I can't believe a copypasta troll is still getting hits after YEARS OF DOING THE SAME OLD SCHTICK.
2013-11-18 04:22:44 PM
1 votes:

Lumbar Puncture: letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

>>> have worked there at one point in their job history...
2013-11-18 04:18:13 PM
1 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.


www.examiner.com
2013-11-18 04:15:37 PM
1 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.


I'd have you locked up, absolutely.
2013-11-18 04:13:43 PM
1 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?

I get the feeling that no matter the answer, it's all the government's fault


Wal Mart was *looooooong* in the business of cutting hours and hiring many part time employees before Obamacare and the full-time employee regulations came along.    Don't think that A=B here.    I worked for them for 2 weeks and was told immediately that was going to be the case, "Don't expect to get over 35 hours a week.  They like to keep everyone as a part time employee."
2013-11-18 04:12:52 PM
1 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.


I'm sure if there were a bounty on trolls we'd never hear from you again.
2013-11-18 04:11:54 PM
1 votes:

neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]

Whiskey Rebellion


I would submit "they" put the same chemicals in Jack Daniels.
2013-11-18 04:10:06 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

"Battle of the Beers"


Trick picture.  Neither are actually beer.
Ant
2013-11-18 04:03:36 PM
1 votes:

Prophet of Loss: And yet people shop there in record numbers because ... they can't afford to shop anywhere else.


I don't. WinCo FTW! They're employee owned.
2013-11-18 04:00:34 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


NO because republicans, nothing socialist about paying your employees a fair living wage.
2013-11-18 04:00:13 PM
1 votes:

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


This is Fark, not your wish list.
2013-11-18 03:56:25 PM
1 votes:

UrukHaiGuyz: FinFangFark: I love how all the turds form the politics tab waddle their way into a thread and try to turn it in to a political discussion about the fact that Walmart is asking employees to give to their coworkers out of the kindness of their hear------WHY DOESN'T WALMART JUST GIVE THEM THE FOOD THEN.

/fark the right wingers, fark the left wingers
//this is exactly why we can't have nice things, Pepper

I thought we couldn't have nice things cause wages are sh*t these days.


nubian, I have a well paying job...my wages are just fine.

Walmart's wages are shiat and their prices are low, because they pretty much have gov't "subsidies" to offset all that.
2013-11-18 03:56:19 PM
1 votes:

orclover: whidbey: orclover: If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.

Actually a virus might solve the whole thing.

I would be completley in favor of a superbug wiping out or nearly wiping out our species.  But rich people would have a near 100% survival rate compared to the rest of our planet.

A revolution will never happen either.  Rich people will just pay the army to wipe out all the poor people.   There is no end and no hope, were farked.  Well cept the rich people, they are just dandy.  I cant believe I brought children into this farking shiatty world.  Our species needs a mercy killing.


Hacking is the future. And yea verily the walls will come tumblin' down.
2013-11-18 03:54:50 PM
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: They probably figure that most of those donations will be purchased that their store. More sales!


yup.  especially since the employee discount has most likely just expanded to cover food purchases through the new year...  so they're basically taking it all out of the paychecks.
2013-11-18 03:54:38 PM
1 votes:

stuff12345: if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.  if you don't feel like you can do that, try learning something useful.  if you don't feel like you can do that, accept that you're always going to be poor.

really that simple...


I think the bootstrap horse is dead.  You can stop hitting it now.
2013-11-18 03:53:35 PM
1 votes:
if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.  if you don't feel like you can do that, try learning something useful.  if you don't feel like you can do that, accept that you're always going to be poor.

really that simple...
2013-11-18 03:52:35 PM
1 votes:
I love how all the turds form the politics tab waddle their way into a thread and try to turn it in to a political discussion about the fact that Walmart is asking employees to give to their coworkers out of the kindness of their hear------WHY DOESN'T WALMART JUST GIVE THEM THE FOOD THEN.

/fark the right wingers, fark the left wingers
//this is exactly why we can't have nice things, Pepper
2013-11-18 03:51:56 PM
1 votes:

Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart


not sure if serious
2013-11-18 03:51:47 PM
1 votes:
Aren't the owners of Wal-Mart edible?
2013-11-18 03:46:03 PM
1 votes:

cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.

I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.

my all-time favorite "nope, i'm getting close to an OT write-up, i'm going home now" story is the night that we discovered that one of the car batteries was leaking...


I vividly recall seeing a fellow cashier literally dragged off of her register and pulled - at a near run - to the back to clock out early because she was about to hit 40 hours for the week.

Oh, and there was a customer at the register at the time, in the middle of having their items rung up.  A CSM jumped into the register and tried to act as if nothing had happened at all.
2013-11-18 03:43:25 PM
1 votes:
They probably figure that most of those donations will be purchased that their store. More sales!
2013-11-18 03:42:30 PM
1 votes:
I loathe Wal-Mart and do not shop there (I also don't shop at Sam's Club to be clear).

This is just ANOTHER example of something that was probably a good idea and in other workplaces might not have gotten this sort of press, but given how many of their employees are on Federal supplemental income, just is really bad. While I understand the concept of business being to make money, when you rake in nearly 16B in profit, why should you ask your already minimum wage earners to donate from their salary instead of perhaps your central pot of "let's help our employees" money? :: shrugs :: I get it, I'm a dreamer.

I was reading a study that focused on 12 or so states (I tried to google for it now and couldn't find it again, of course) and in nearly every one of them the top 2 employers that had employees on assistance were McDonald's and Wal-Mart. Publix / GIANT were also featured a few times. I know that there is a proportion going on in part of this study (i.e. Walmart and McDonald's employee X more folks than the other companies which could make the math fuzzy), but it's still disappointing.

Yes, I know other discount chains have similar practices... it just seems like you hear about Wal-Mart more frequently than the others.
2013-11-18 03:38:38 PM
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: homelessdude: nothing new....but always worth re-linking.

#9, #10, #11, #12

Bloomberg Billionaires List
Today's ranking of the world's richest people
[i.imgur.com image 450x206]

Those Waltons. They look so happy............and well fed.

You sound jealous


this is not jealousy, this is simple hypocrisy.  going into the part-time job i have now, i'm still making more than i did full-time after four years at walmart.  the current crop of waltons basically inherited an oil field.  and they're bleeding it dry.
2013-11-18 03:34:04 PM
1 votes:

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. Yes
7. No
8. No
9. Yes
10. No

Walmart sucks. I hate that farking store and I hate its leadership.
2013-11-18 03:31:07 PM
1 votes:
Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac
2013-11-18 03:30:48 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: orclover: If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.

Actually a virus might solve the whole thing.


I would be completley in favor of a superbug wiping out or nearly wiping out our species.  But rich people would have a near 100% survival rate compared to the rest of our planet.

A revolution will never happen either.  Rich people will just pay the army to wipe out all the poor people.   There is no end and no hope, were farked.  Well cept the rich people, they are just dandy.  I cant believe I brought children into this farking shiatty world.  Our species needs a mercy killing.
2013-11-18 03:30:38 PM
1 votes:
The outrage is misplaced. The food drive is for employees who have undergone hardship, like if a family member has been laid off. The snerky answer of "like working at Walmart" has a disturbing grain of truth but the actual story here is ok IMHO.

Walmart is capitalism. If people don't like the basic premise of Walmart, they should shop elsewhere. Of course, voting with your $$$ can only be so effective in a country with such a disturbingly whacked distribution of weath but again, capitalism. If you don't like it, move to a more social country. Like, for example, basically every first world nation other than the USA.

The USA is unique in the first world in many ways. Almost all of them negative (IMHO).
2013-11-18 03:26:41 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.

I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.


I don't know how long ago that was...but I remember reading somewhere that something like nearly a quarter of all of Walmart employees quality for welfare.  I know there are several mitigating factors that come in to play with that.  But when the majority of the Walmart break rooms have postings from their HR departments on how to apply for welfare...there's just something so wrong with that.
2013-11-18 03:24:18 PM
1 votes:
Why not get some of your fellow Walmart employees to assemble a systematic way to shoplift from their store.  Maybe you bring 12 items to the check out counter but your buddy only effectively scans 9 items. Or you get the loss prevention lead to reboot security cameras thereby shutting them down for a 5 minute "predetermined" time and suddenly the back door is a flurry of activity.  You see, this way Walmart helps its own, but doesn't actually know it and subsequently doesn't try to exploit their  generosity.

Huh? Huh? Genius right?

/maybe not, but Fark Walmart
2013-11-18 03:24:05 PM
1 votes:

cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.


I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.
2013-11-18 03:23:01 PM
1 votes:

orclover: If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.


Actually a virus might solve the whole thing.
2013-11-18 03:15:35 PM
1 votes:

redstarr01: I don't like Wal-Mart.  I haven't set foot in one in almost 3 years because I don't want to give them a penny of my own money.

But this situation seems like people trying to do something nice for their co-workers.  I'm guessing there are probably a couple of people that have some extra tough situations going on that everyone wants to help out and rather than embarrass them by taking up a collection just for them, they're making it look like they're helping out a bunch of families.  Instead of hitting everyone up individually "Hey, Karen's really broke while she's going through cancer treatments, wanna chip in for her Thanksgiving.?" or "Hey, Bob's wife got laid off and he's got six kids and he's really worried." and Karen and Bob knowing that everyone's putting on a charity drive just for them, it's a drive for "all the needy families".  And I can see wanting to make it easy for everyone to help Karen and Bob out without anyone having to come up to either of them directly and give them a handout. The bins make it a lot more anonymous.  And they also make it so that even management can be involved in donating without it looking like they're playing favorites with an employee or two or the employees who receive the generosity feeling like they owe the boss something extra for it or will be perceived as owing them something extra for it.  Plus, it makes it so that anyone having a tough time making ends meet themselves won't have to be approached to kick in to help out and feel bad about having to not participate.  The bin is there.  If you want to help and have the means to share, go for it.  If you don't, you aren't pressured to do anything.


These people are having financial hardship BECAUSE they are working at Walmart.

This isn't about layoffs. This isn't about having to take time off unpaid for a sick kid.

This is about employees who can barely afford to live.

Walmart is a cancer.

/If Walmart truly cared about their employees going hungry then they would, you know, maybe let them have some of the food that is stocked on the shelves?
2013-11-18 03:14:37 PM
1 votes:

theorellior: Benevolent Misanthrope: But this says to me that there are enough employees to need an organized program to help them.

Yes, it's called "food stamps".

Fark Wal-Mart.


Nah you can't count on those anymore, the idiot Republicans willed them out of existence to make way for more tax breaks: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/11/17/245487636/see-how-food-st a mp-cuts-are-hitting-across-the-u-s
2013-11-18 03:12:42 PM
1 votes:
nothing new....but always worth re-linking.

#9, #10, #11, #12

Bloomberg Billionaires List
Today's ranking of the world's richest people
i.imgur.com


Those Waltons. They look so happy............and well fed.
2013-11-18 03:11:27 PM
1 votes:

litespeed74: Not only is this a disgrace at the economic level but implying that all Walmart employees prefer it in the can is a stereotype outrage.


Makes it a lot easier.
img191.imageshack.us
2013-11-18 03:09:37 PM
1 votes:

vabeard: Every company - medical facilities - I have ever worked for has always encouraged donations to less fortunate employees.


That doesn't make it okay, that makes it a systemic problem.
2013-11-18 03:08:13 PM
1 votes:
I don't like Wal-Mart.  I haven't set foot in one in almost 3 years because I don't want to give them a penny of my own money.

But this situation seems like people trying to do something nice for their co-workers.  I'm guessing there are probably a couple of people that have some extra tough situations going on that everyone wants to help out and rather than embarrass them by taking up a collection just for them, they're making it look like they're helping out a bunch of families.  Instead of hitting everyone up individually "Hey, Karen's really broke while she's going through cancer treatments, wanna chip in for her Thanksgiving.?" or "Hey, Bob's wife got laid off and he's got six kids and he's really worried." and Karen and Bob knowing that everyone's putting on a charity drive just for them, it's a drive for "all the needy families".  And I can see wanting to make it easy for everyone to help Karen and Bob out without anyone having to come up to either of them directly and give them a handout. The bins make it a lot more anonymous.  And they also make it so that even management can be involved in donating without it looking like they're playing favorites with an employee or two or the employees who receive the generosity feeling like they owe the boss something extra for it or will be perceived as owing them something extra for it.  Plus, it makes it so that anyone having a tough time making ends meet themselves won't have to be approached to kick in to help out and feel bad about having to not participate.  The bin is there.  If you want to help and have the means to share, go for it.  If you don't, you aren't pressured to do anything.
2013-11-18 03:07:56 PM
1 votes:

cman: vabeard: Every company - medical facilities - I have ever worked for has always encouraged donations to less fortunate employees.

Its kinda sad considering that Walmart stocks a shiatton of food and they have the gall to ask their lowly paid employees to share


That's for the customers. Keep your grubby hands off it.
2013-11-18 03:07:26 PM
1 votes:

CreamFilling: jaytkay: Six members of the Walton family (the original owners of WalMart) have more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans.

If you have a positive net worth you have more wealth than the bottom 25% of Americans. That doesn't make you rich. Of course, the Waltons are rich, but you don't need dramatic statements to prove that.


I think what Jay meant was "Combined" not on an individual basis.
2013-11-18 02:59:19 PM
1 votes:

Uranus Megahertz: Give the employees food for Thanksgiving or don't. Either way they'll still be working getting trampled like beasts Thanksgiving Day.

2013-11-18 02:57:33 PM
1 votes:
But see, Walmart couldn't just donate that shiat themselves because it would cause a derplus.
2013-11-18 02:54:01 PM
1 votes:

b2theory: There is something seriously wrong with this country.


Stop hating freedom!

/get stuffed, Walmart.
2013-11-18 02:53:45 PM
1 votes:

Prophet of Loss: And yet people shop there in record numbers because ... they can't afford to shop anywhere else.

/"Its the cirrrrrrcccle of dystopiaaaaa!"


Hell, at this point Walmart isn't really all that cheap, so I don't get it, unless Walmart is the only place to shop in an area other than convenience stores.

I save way more loading coupons onto my Kroger card and shopping there during sales. Every time I go to Walmart (generally only late at night when I suddenly need something) I notice what I need is usually more than I could have gotten it somewhere else. If anywhere else is open I avoid Walmart like the plague.

Not to mention they seem absolutely incapable of opening more lanes when the lines get long (didn't one of their advertisements used to be that they always open an extra lane when a certain amount of people are in line?), and besides which they won't even keep all their self checkouts open. There are usually like 2-3 open out of 12. It's even worse when the cashier is usually some old arthritic lady who may be in early stages of dementia and scans the items as slowly as possible, and periodically gets confused as to where they are at and what they were doing.
2013-11-18 02:51:32 PM
1 votes:
Every company - medical facilities - I have ever worked for has always encouraged donations to less fortunate employees.
2013-11-18 02:45:50 PM
1 votes:

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.


0/10, way too obvious.
2013-11-18 02:44:38 PM
1 votes:
Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.
2013-11-18 02:44:02 PM
1 votes:
Oooh I know a place you can get that food! And it's right under your noses too.
2013-11-18 02:41:59 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.

[img.fark.net image 512x288]


So even the Denver Broncos are upset by this is what you are saying?

/I can't look at a pony image anymore without immediately thinking it's about the Broncos.  Sports tab threads have typecast these images...
2013-11-18 02:41:20 PM
1 votes:

d23: MechaPyx: Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"

It's paid for one way or another. It's just a question of who. Since Wal-Mart's owners aren't paying enough we pick up the slack via food stamps and such. We're subsidizing Wal-Mart's payroll.

For some reason this argument constantly sails over the head of the local yokels.


i512.photobucket.com
2013-11-18 02:40:45 PM
1 votes:

BunkoSquad: They're actually asking employees to donate food to each other (more complete story). Wal-Mart surely doesn't want the customers to get the idea that the staff is underpaid and desperate.


I wonder how close to the break room vending machines those bins are.
2013-11-18 02:36:09 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.


It looks like the headline was originally more accurate.

FTA: The original version of this story stated that Wal-Mart was asking customers to donate food. The food drive is actually among employees.
2013-11-18 02:34:24 PM
1 votes:

Pick: With all the money the Walton's make, why don't THEY fill those bins with food for THEIR needy employees?

Oh, I forgot, they have to answer to the stockholders.


Oh come now, it's not like they have access to huge economies of scale on things like canned goods and.....hey waitaminute.
2013-11-18 02:33:07 PM
1 votes:
Lots of people who make way more than minimum wage still get / need food assistance.
2013-11-18 02:32:26 PM
1 votes:
"That Wal-Mart would have the audacity to ask low-wage workers to donate food to other low-wage workers - to me, it is a moral outrage," Norma Mills, a customer at the store, told the Plain Dealer.

Um...
2013-11-18 02:31:45 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


Well, and there is a causal link between raising the minimum wage and inflation.
2013-11-18 02:29:51 PM
1 votes:
FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.
2013-11-18 02:29:21 PM
1 votes:

b2theory: There is something seriously wrong with this country.


i5.photobucket.com
2013-11-18 02:00:49 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?


I get the feeling that no matter the answer, it's all the government's fault
2013-11-18 01:57:00 PM
1 votes:
I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.
2013-11-18 01:43:48 PM
1 votes:
*facepalm*
 
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