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2013-11-18 01:11:37 PM  
There is something seriously wrong with this country.
 
2013-11-18 01:12:27 PM  
But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"
 
2013-11-18 01:14:15 PM  
Oh for Fark's sake.
 
2013-11-18 01:14:34 PM  

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


And we need to slash spending on food stamp programs and keep corporate taxes low becuase, once again, socialism.
 
2013-11-18 01:15:15 PM  
This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.
 
2013-11-18 01:15:55 PM  
They're actually asking employees to donate food to each other (more complete story). Wal-Mart surely doesn't want the customers to get the idea that the staff is underpaid and desperate.
 
2013-11-18 01:16:47 PM  
Well, that sucks all around.  I won't be going into a Walmart to shop, making the problem worse, I guess.
 
2013-11-18 01:21:13 PM  
You have GOT to be sh*tting me
 
2013-11-18 01:22:28 PM  
Also, I wonder which response is more likely from Wal-Mart if this really causes a viral internet outrage:

1) Gosh, wow, people are right. We thought we were being compassionate in facilitating an area for our employees to donate food to their needier co-workers, but now we understand that the very fact we needed to do this indicates that we're not paying the people we depend on to keep our stores operating enough money to survive. We get it now, we've been exploiting  the poor for entirely too long and underwriting our workforce with the sort of social safety net programs that our political arm actually rails against to score anti-regulation and anti-taxation points. Thank you for holding up this mirror for us to see ourselves and for giving us the opportunity to change.
2) Attention Wal-Mart employees: Due to recent unfavorable media coverage, any employees found bringing outside items into a store for the purposes of donation to another employee will be terminated immediately.
 
2013-11-18 01:25:01 PM  
*reads article*

h.a.d-cd.net


Seriously, this is disgustingly low...even for Walmart.  F*ck that company.
 
2013-11-18 01:25:54 PM  

Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.


BunkoSquad: They're actually asking employees to donate food to each other (more complete story). Wal-Mart surely doesn't want the customers to get the idea that the staff is underpaid and desperate.


I'm more concerned with the idea that any Wal-Mart would have enough employees who are so poor as to need help that they have to have an organized food drive for them.  No matter who they are asking to contribute.  I can see, "Oh, Jane's a part-time employee whose husband lost his job, let's help her out" happening, and that's laudable.  But this says to me that there are enough employees to need an organized program to help them.

That's just wrong.
 
2013-11-18 01:29:00 PM  

Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.


Why? What if someone's family just lost the other paycheck? What if they just had triplets? What if someone was in a car wreak and couldn't work the hours?

There are many reason why someone would need help other than "haha Wal-Mart doesn't pay"
 
2013-11-18 01:32:19 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus:There are many reason why someone would need help other than "haha Wal-Mart doesn't pay"

Which is a totally valid point that does not in any way diminish the fact that Walmart pays their employees far too little to the point where many are forced to rely on charity or government assistance just to make ends meet.

/also depresses the market wage which screws over other wage earners too.
 
2013-11-18 01:33:59 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Why? What if someone's family just lost the other paycheck? What if they just had triplets? What if someone was in a car wreak and couldn't work the hours?

There are many reason why someone would need help other than "haha Wal-Mart doesn't pay"


Oh, I agree, there's plenty of good reasons for Wal-Mart to do this. And, actually, lots of companies do things like this around the holidays.

But when you set this alongside the well-established issues around worker compensation and Wal-Mart, and frame it with the short-on-details article that actually got greenlit, you'd have to be blind to not see how this has the potential to play very, very badly from a media relations perspective.
 
2013-11-18 01:35:18 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I'm more concerned with the idea that any Wal-Mart would have enough employees who are so poor as to need help that they have to have an organized food drive for them. No matter who they are asking to contribute. I can see, "Oh, Jane's a part-time employee whose husband lost his job, let's help her out" happening, and that's laudable. But this says to me that there are enough employees to need an organized program to help them.

That's just wrong.



It's a really really big store. A whip-around to help just one person would be really inefficient. You have anywhere from 375 to 450 people working there. And frankly some people don't like you to know they are needy. Just collect the food and let people take what they need. No need to call them out on it.
 
2013-11-18 01:37:12 PM  
Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.

img.fark.net
 
2013-11-18 01:39:12 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Which is a totally valid point that does not in any way diminish the fact that Walmart pays their employees far too little to the point where many are forced to rely on charity or government assistance just to make ends meet.


So you believe this, so they shouldn't help people out because it would look bad?! Why not applaud this locale store for doing something right?
 
2013-11-18 01:41:07 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Voiceofreason01: Which is a totally valid point that does not in any way diminish the fact that Walmart pays their employees far too little to the point where many are forced to rely on charity or government assistance just to make ends meet.

So you believe this, so they shouldn't help people out because it would look bad?! Why not applaud this locale store for doing something right?


I think it's fine that they are organizing a food drive. I also think they should not be allowed to exploit their employees the way they do.
 
2013-11-18 01:43:48 PM  
*facepalm*
 
2013-11-18 01:44:30 PM  
I am unsure how to think

I am outraged, pissed, confused.

I am having a very difficult time of putting words to what I feel

I really wish this wasn't true. I really wish this was a lie.

Unfortunately its not. This is life. This is reality. This is what we are, what we have become.
 
2013-11-18 01:46:38 PM  

b2theory: There is something seriously wrong with this country.


You just figured this out?
 
2013-11-18 01:48:15 PM  
A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.


Like working for WalMart?
 
2013-11-18 01:49:10 PM  
Always farking Americans. Always

On the bright side, at least we've been subsidizing health care so their stock price will go up a couple points
 
2013-11-18 01:50:05 PM  

Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?


getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?
 
2013-11-18 01:57:00 PM  
I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.
 
2013-11-18 01:59:04 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.


Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.
 
2013-11-18 02:00:49 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?


I get the feeling that no matter the answer, it's all the government's fault
 
2013-11-18 02:26:35 PM  
fark you Walmart.
 
2013-11-18 02:26:46 PM  
And yet people shop there in record numbers because ... they can't afford to shop anywhere else.

/"Its the cirrrrrrcccle of dystopiaaaaa!"
 
2013-11-18 02:26:59 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: But this says to me that there are enough employees to need an organized program to help them.


Yes, it's called "food stamps".

Fark Wal-Mart.
 
2013-11-18 02:27:05 PM  
Don't like it?
Don't shop there.
 
2013-11-18 02:28:20 PM  
I'll donate a letter to my congresspeople asking them to force walmart to pay it's employees more by passing minimum wage law. fark walmart
 
2013-11-18 02:28:28 PM  
Well I hope no one allows this news to stop them from buying all their Christmas presents at Walmart!
 
2013-11-18 02:28:38 PM  
They do have good deals on motor oil, socks and underwear. T-shirts, too, if you just want them for yard work and such.
 
2013-11-18 02:29:21 PM  

b2theory: There is something seriously wrong with this country.


i5.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-18 02:29:51 PM  
FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.
 
2013-11-18 02:30:18 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?


Most of their employees have been held to part-time hours for decades.  Any time you see them brag about the average wage of a full-time Walmart employee, know that they are purposely removing 80-90% of their workforce from that average by not including the part-time workers.
 
2013-11-18 02:30:45 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.


I think you meant "promoting him".
 
2013-11-18 02:31:11 PM  

jake_lex: Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"

And we need to slash spending on food stamp programs and keep corporate taxes low becuase, once again, socialism.


This socialism thing sounds horrible if we must go to such extremes to avoid it.
 
2013-11-18 02:31:25 PM  
This is old news. I worked for Wal Mart for many years as a Personnel Manager, and we used to do a "Secret Santa" tree every year for our employees who needed help with food and toys for their family every Holiday Season. Although I enjoyed the feeling of giving to people (especially kids) in need, I did think it was strange that we were giving to families who actually WORKED for the company. One of the many reasons I ended up leaving the company after almost 10 Years. I just couldn't support the hypocrisy anymore.

/ CSS
 
2013-11-18 02:31:45 PM  

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


Well, and there is a causal link between raising the minimum wage and inflation.
 
2013-11-18 02:32:21 PM  
With all the money the Walton's make, why don't THEY fill those bins with food for THEIR needy employees?

Oh, I forgot, they have to answer to the stockholders.
 
2013-11-18 02:32:26 PM  
"That Wal-Mart would have the audacity to ask low-wage workers to donate food to other low-wage workers - to me, it is a moral outrage," Norma Mills, a customer at the store, told the Plain Dealer.

Um...
 
2013-11-18 02:32:57 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: car wreak


The Stealth Hippopotamus: this locale store


Is this some kind of subtle trolling?
 
2013-11-18 02:33:07 PM  
Lots of people who make way more than minimum wage still get / need food assistance.
 
2013-11-18 02:33:27 PM  

URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.



I don't shop there and I still don't like it.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-18 02:33:44 PM  

URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't.  However, since the word in ear of a congressman from anyone named "Walton" is worth about 20 million times mine they keep making sure the playing field keeps tilted in their direction.

The Walton family gets tax abatements all across the country to put in box stores that pull this shiat.  This makes it the business of every one of us.
 
2013-11-18 02:34:18 PM  

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.
 
2013-11-18 02:34:24 PM  

Pick: With all the money the Walton's make, why don't THEY fill those bins with food for THEIR needy employees?

Oh, I forgot, they have to answer to the stockholders.


Oh come now, it's not like they have access to huge economies of scale on things like canned goods and.....hey waitaminute.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-18 02:34:37 PM  

iheartscotch: Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"

Well, and there is a causal link between raising the minimum wage and inflation.


oh I hate this meme.. but...

[citation needed]
 
2013-11-18 02:34:55 PM  

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


It's paid for one way or another. It's just a question of who. Since Wal-Mart's owners aren't paying enough we pick up the slack via food stamps and such. We're subsidizing Wal-Mart's payroll.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-18 02:35:30 PM  

Carn: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.


I would patronize costco if there was one near me.

Secondly, Sam's Club is basically the same store, so that doesn't make much sense.
 
2013-11-18 02:36:05 PM  
If only there was some way that a Walmart could come up with some food to donate without trying to extract it from the workers.


cloud.empowerednews.net

It would be cheaper than the public relations that it will take to live this down.
 
2013-11-18 02:36:09 PM  

Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.


It looks like the headline was originally more accurate.

FTA: The original version of this story stated that Wal-Mart was asking customers to donate food. The food drive is actually among employees.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-18 02:36:15 PM  

MechaPyx: Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"

It's paid for one way or another. It's just a question of who. Since Wal-Mart's owners aren't paying enough we pick up the slack via food stamps and such. We're subsidizing Wal-Mart's payroll.


For some reason this argument constantly sails over the head of the local yokels.
 
2013-11-18 02:37:29 PM  

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


Hmm, I was wondering how long it would take for this line of thinking to pop up here.
 
2013-11-18 02:37:32 PM  

kiteless: URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't shop there and I still don't like it.


No one is forcing the employees to work there either.
They should be happy to have a job.
 
2013-11-18 02:38:25 PM  
 
2013-11-18 02:39:16 PM  
Walmart will respond by firing the store manager and sending his underlings to "re-education seminars" to ensure this never happens again.

...and then they'll light their Cuban cigars with $100 bills while spilling Cristal on their $3,000 suits and laughing maniacally.
 
2013-11-18 02:39:32 PM  

URAPNIS: kiteless: URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't shop there and I still don't like it.

No one is forcing the employees to work there either.
They should be happy to have a job.


Just like Ukrainians should be happy that the KGB protected them from the capitalists?

They should be happy to live
 
2013-11-18 02:40:45 PM  

BunkoSquad: They're actually asking employees to donate food to each other (more complete story). Wal-Mart surely doesn't want the customers to get the idea that the staff is underpaid and desperate.


I wonder how close to the break room vending machines those bins are.
 
2013-11-18 02:41:20 PM  

d23: MechaPyx: Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"

It's paid for one way or another. It's just a question of who. Since Wal-Mart's owners aren't paying enough we pick up the slack via food stamps and such. We're subsidizing Wal-Mart's payroll.

For some reason this argument constantly sails over the head of the local yokels.


i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-18 02:41:59 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.

[img.fark.net image 512x288]


So even the Denver Broncos are upset by this is what you are saying?

/I can't look at a pony image anymore without immediately thinking it's about the Broncos.  Sports tab threads have typecast these images...
 
2013-11-18 02:42:21 PM  

Hugh2d2: spilling Cristal on their $3,000 suits


1000words1000days.com
 
2013-11-18 02:42:24 PM  

URAPNIS: kiteless: URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't shop there and I still don't like it.

No one is forcing the employees to work there either.
They should be happy to have a job.


That your taxes are subsidizing.  A winnar is you!
 
2013-11-18 02:42:33 PM  

GameSprocket: If only there was some way that a Walmart could come up with some food to donate without trying to extract it from the workers.


[cloud.empowerednews.net image 799x600]

It would be cheaper than the public relations that it will take to live this down.


They would never do that because that would be Socialism. Better that people starve, the Waltons need moar.
 
2013-11-18 02:42:57 PM  

URAPNIS: kiteless: URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't shop there and I still don't like it.

No one is forcing the employees to work there either.
They should be happy to have a job.



They should be happy to be exploited in a country where they are hostage to a high unemployment rate?  Got it.
 
2013-11-18 02:43:36 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.

[img.fark.net image 512x288]


^THIS^

With a razor-studded log
 
2013-11-18 02:44:02 PM  
Oooh I know a place you can get that food! And it's right under your noses too.
 
2013-11-18 02:44:38 PM  
Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.
 
2013-11-18 02:44:49 PM  

kiteless: URAPNIS: kiteless: URAPNIS: Don't like it?
Don't shop there.


I don't shop there and I still don't like it.

No one is forcing the employees to work there either.
They should be happy to have a job.


They should be happy to be exploited in a country where they are hostage to a high unemployment rate?  Got it.


To be fair, calling what Walmart does as exploitation kinda shiats on those third world virtual slaves.

I would call it moreso as opportunistic
 
2013-11-18 02:45:11 PM  

Bschott007: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.

[img.fark.net image 512x288]

So even the Denver Broncos are upset by this is what you are saying?

/I can't look at a pony image anymore without immediately thinking it's about the Broncos.  Sports tab threads have typecast these images...


Yes.  Peyton is showing his meanest Manning Face to Walmart management as I type this.  :D

/lol
 
2013-11-18 02:45:35 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: *reads article*

[h.a.d-cd.net image 480x313]

Seriously, this is disgustingly low...even for Walmart.  F*ck that company.



WAL-MART? I definitely would not hit it. Just look at those sharp letters. It is way below my standards.

No, give me Costco any day. Look at those sexy C's and O's. Even the sleek S. Lots of beautiful curves there.
 
2013-11-18 02:45:50 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.


0/10, way too obvious.
 
2013-11-18 02:46:02 PM  
If only there was some way their needy employees could get more money....

Got it! Drug dealing.

Done and done. Have HR send out the memo.
 
2013-11-18 02:46:56 PM  
This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

So it isn't enough to just not shop there. Every taxpayer is supporting this usurious system.

The destruction of the wages and wealth of the majority of Americans over the last few decades - so a favored very few can amass grotesque amounts of wealth at everyone else's expense - is a huge problem and I don't mean morally. It's a problem because it weakens our economy in general. It slows economic recovery, and hurts the job market. It's a serious threat to the country.

Our economy runs on consumption. The poorer the consumers are, the slower and weaker our economy is going to get. Our economic strength in the past relied in no small part on the vast wealth that the American system had created and distributed among the majority of the citizens, allowing for a vibrant and healthy economy. Now that wages and wealth are on the decline for the lower and middle classes not only do we have less capital to trade back and forth supporting each other, but the less capital we have means it's harder for the next small business to be created by that enterprising fellow in his garage... which impacts the creative destruction a system like ours needs.

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have less ability to repay then they would have had in the past. The only folks who benefit from this system are the money changers who run the debt industry.
 
2013-11-18 02:46:59 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.


Some, wwe leaking? :p
/since my wage went up, been shopping at target, but Apparently, they're no better to their employees anymore
 
2013-11-18 02:47:14 PM  

Snarfangel: Grand_Moff_Joseph: *reads article*

[h.a.d-cd.net image 480x313]

Seriously, this is disgustingly low...even for Walmart.  F*ck that company.


WAL-MART? I definitely would not hit it. Just look at those sharp letters. It is way below my standards.

No, give me Costco any day. Look at those sexy C's and O's. Even the sleek S. Lots of beautiful curves there.


Yes, damn that jezebel!  With her constant tempting of innocent souls...I swear, those $1.00 churros are the siren song of the devil herself.  XD
 
2013-11-18 02:48:26 PM  

b2theory: There is something seriously wrong with this country.


welcome! you must be new here

/do you have your green card?
 
2013-11-18 02:49:01 PM  

mongbiohazard: This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

So it isn't enough to just not shop there. Every taxpayer is supporting this usurious system.

The destruction of the wages and wealth of the majority of Americans over the last few decades - so a favored very few can amass grotesque amounts of wealth at everyone else's expense - is a huge problem and I don't mean morally. It's a problem because it weakens our economy in general. It slows economic recovery, and hurts the job market. It's a serious threat to the country.

Our economy runs on consumption. The poorer the consumers are, the slower and weaker our economy is going to get. Our economic strength in the past relied in no small part on the vast wealth that the American system had created and distributed among the majority of the citizens, allowing for a vibrant and healthy economy. Now that wages and wealth are on the decline for the lower and middle classes not only do we have less capital to trade back and forth supporting each other, but the less capital we have means it's harder for the next small business to be created by that enterprising fellow in his garage... which impacts the creative destruction a system like ours needs.

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have less ability t ...


What we are doing is unsustainable.

We cannot go on and on expecting food stamps to magically make everyone's lives better

Wages HAVE to go up. Its just that simple.
 
2013-11-18 02:49:05 PM  
They're racist too:

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2013-11-18 02:49:06 PM  

zulius: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.

Some, wwe leaking? :p
/since my wage went up, been shopping at target, but Apparently, they're no better to their employees anymore


In a straight comparison, they do treat their people significantly better than Walmart, even if the wages aren't massively higher on a dollar-to-dollar scale.

That said though, it is akin to saying the 6th level of Dante's inferno is better than the 9th level.  You'd be technically correct, but in practical terms, it still sucks.
 
2013-11-18 02:50:25 PM  
You all sound poor.
 
2013-11-18 02:50:57 PM  
Wal-Mart turned a profit of $15.7 billion last year.

The ghosts of xmas past, present and future will be visiting the CEO.
 
2013-11-18 02:51:32 PM  
Every company - medical facilities - I have ever worked for has always encouraged donations to less fortunate employees.
 
2013-11-18 02:51:50 PM  

Deep Contact: Wal-Mart turned a profit of $15.7 billion last year.

The ghosts of xmas past, present and future will be visiting the CEO.


and then will be turned into a cheap light-up Christmas light display, which will be available on Black Friday for a rollback price of $19.99!!
 
2013-11-18 02:53:45 PM  

Prophet of Loss: And yet people shop there in record numbers because ... they can't afford to shop anywhere else.

/"Its the cirrrrrrcccle of dystopiaaaaa!"


Hell, at this point Walmart isn't really all that cheap, so I don't get it, unless Walmart is the only place to shop in an area other than convenience stores.

I save way more loading coupons onto my Kroger card and shopping there during sales. Every time I go to Walmart (generally only late at night when I suddenly need something) I notice what I need is usually more than I could have gotten it somewhere else. If anywhere else is open I avoid Walmart like the plague.

Not to mention they seem absolutely incapable of opening more lanes when the lines get long (didn't one of their advertisements used to be that they always open an extra lane when a certain amount of people are in line?), and besides which they won't even keep all their self checkouts open. There are usually like 2-3 open out of 12. It's even worse when the cashier is usually some old arthritic lady who may be in early stages of dementia and scans the items as slowly as possible, and periodically gets confused as to where they are at and what they were doing.
 
2013-11-18 02:53:56 PM  

cman: mongbiohazard: This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

So it isn't enough to just not shop there. Every taxpayer is supporting this usurious system.

The destruction of the wages and wealth of the majority of Americans over the last few decades - so a favored very few can amass grotesque amounts of wealth at everyone else's expense - is a huge problem and I don't mean morally. It's a problem because it weakens our economy in general. It slows economic recovery, and hurts the job market. It's a serious threat to the country.

Our economy runs on consumption. The poorer the consumers are, the slower and weaker our economy is going to get. Our economic strength in the past relied in no small part on the vast wealth that the American system had created and distributed among the majority of the citizens, allowing for a vibrant and healthy economy. Now that wages and wealth are on the decline for the lower and middle classes not only do we have less capital to trade back and forth supporting each other, but the less capital we have means it's harder for the next small business to be created by that enterprising fellow in his garage... which impacts the creative destruction a system like ours needs.

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have ...


I am glad you agree that we need toraise the minimum wage
 
2013-11-18 02:54:01 PM  

b2theory: There is something seriously wrong with this country.


Stop hating freedom!

/get stuffed, Walmart.
 
2013-11-18 02:54:03 PM  

vabeard: Every company - medical facilities - I have ever worked for has always encouraged donations to less fortunate employees.


Its kinda sad considering that Walmart stocks a shiatton of food and they have the gall to ask their lowly paid employees to share
 
2013-11-18 02:56:32 PM  

tricycleracer: Hugh2d2: spilling Cristal on their $3,000 suits


Ya srsly. Cristal is for Russian mobsters. The Waltons drink Hennessy.
 
2013-11-18 02:56:49 PM  
If you want to see real hilarity, read the comments after the article.  The inability to create a complete sentence and follow the simple rules of grammar are hilarious.

Every company has employees that are hit with issues outside of work, requiring charity.  Wal-Mart was only asking their better off employees to be charitable to their employees who are in need.  But NOOOOOOOOOOOO!,  we have to go with the rabid hate baiting of Wal-Mart, which always makes for a good thread.

Troll On!
 
2013-11-18 02:56:50 PM  
Give the employees food for Thanksgiving or don't. Either way they'll still be working Thanksgiving Day.
 
2013-11-18 02:57:33 PM  
But see, Walmart couldn't just donate that shiat themselves because it would cause a derplus.
 
2013-11-18 02:57:45 PM  

GameSprocket: If only there was some way that a Walmart could come up with some food to donate without trying to extract it from the workers.


[cloud.empowerednews.net image 799x600]

It would be cheaper than the public relations that it will take to live this down.


Nope. Because Lawyers.
 
2013-11-18 02:57:53 PM  
maybe they can shop at Target.  And eat cake.  That seems to have worked well in the past.
 
2013-11-18 02:58:07 PM  
Imma gone down ta the dallaar store and git me some fudz ta dontate to the Wool*Mort peoples.
 
2013-11-18 02:59:19 PM  

Uranus Megahertz: Give the employees food for Thanksgiving or don't. Either way they'll still be working getting trampled like beasts Thanksgiving Day.

 
2013-11-18 03:00:46 PM  
Isn't Walmart providing a free dinner for the employees who are being forced to work on Thanksgiving? Simple, have the entire family get jobs there too and they can have a dinner before working all night to make the CEO even more wealthy.
 
2013-11-18 03:02:21 PM  

jaytkay: Six members of the Walton family (the original owners of WalMart) have more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans.


If you have a positive net worth you have more wealth than the bottom 25% of Americans. That doesn't make you rich. Of course, the Waltons are rich, but you don't need dramatic statements to prove that.
 
2013-11-18 03:02:33 PM  
duanegraham.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-18 03:03:16 PM  

d23: Carn: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.

I would patronize costco if there was one near me.

Secondly, Sam's Club is basically the same store, so that doesn't make much sense.


I've been thinking about getting a Costco membership and shopping there on occasion only for the fact that they treat their people well.  I wish Wegman's were closer to me too.
 
2013-11-18 03:03:25 PM  
Let them eat cake- by Duncan Hines on sale now for 2.49, or try our Market side brand and save!

/Yes I know the translation is more akin to Brioche
//Yes I know it is likely she didn't even say it
///What she really said was "another Saturday night and I ain't got no body."
 
2013-11-18 03:05:28 PM  
I know, lets add 11-20 million more unskilled workers and see if that fixes anything besides elections for the next 100 years
 
2013-11-18 03:05:41 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.



This sentiment is sadly too common. There are many flaws in it.

First of all, a functional economy needs ALL kinds of labor - both skilled and unskilled - and there aren't enough 16 year olds to do all those jobs. If everyone one could and did take your advice our society would grind to a halt. Waiters are needed. Shelf-stockers are needed. Cash register people are needed. Someone to sweep a sidewalk is needed... etc. Your patronizing attitude towards people who do those jobs doesn't change that simple reality.

Second, these are people doing an honest day's work. Anyone who is doing an honest days work should be compensated enough to survive. Anything less is something akin to indentured servitude.

Third, your condescension towards that entire class of people belies a moral failing, or at least a conceptual failing on your own part. No doubt many of those people work harder than you or I do. Not only that, but "unskilled labor" is a label we use, but it doesn't actually mean those people have no skills.

Fourth, the compound effects of the steady wage destruction since the late 70's mean that we now have a whole lot of "underemployment" - which means that many of those skilled workers you are so mindlessly exhorting folks to be are working in those unskilled capacities now.

I could probably go on, but I need to get back to work myself. As you can see though, your sentiment is critically flawed in many ways.
 
2013-11-18 03:05:45 PM  

BunkoSquad: They're actually asking employees to donate food to each other (more complete story). Wal-Mart surely doesn't want the customers to get the idea that the staff is underpaid and desperate.


Where are the employees expected to purchase their intended donations from, hmm?

I'll give you one guess.
 
2013-11-18 03:06:28 PM  
Not only is this a disgrace at the economic level but implying that all Walmart employees prefer it in the can is a stereotype outrage.
 
2013-11-18 03:06:46 PM  

Hobodeluxe: [duanegraham.files.wordpress.com image 800x600]


Yeah I know but what makes you think they're just going to hand off that hard earned money to liburuls so they can buy flat screen TVs at Walmart. Along with a jar of cheez balls. That should last a couple days.
 
2013-11-18 03:07:26 PM  

CreamFilling: jaytkay: Six members of the Walton family (the original owners of WalMart) have more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans.

If you have a positive net worth you have more wealth than the bottom 25% of Americans. That doesn't make you rich. Of course, the Waltons are rich, but you don't need dramatic statements to prove that.


I think what Jay meant was "Combined" not on an individual basis.
 
2013-11-18 03:07:54 PM  
Thanks Obama.

//107 posts and I am first to blame Fartbongo.
 
2013-11-18 03:07:56 PM  

cman: vabeard: Every company - medical facilities - I have ever worked for has always encouraged donations to less fortunate employees.

Its kinda sad considering that Walmart stocks a shiatton of food and they have the gall to ask their lowly paid employees to share


That's for the customers. Keep your grubby hands off it.
 
2013-11-18 03:08:13 PM  
I don't like Wal-Mart.  I haven't set foot in one in almost 3 years because I don't want to give them a penny of my own money.

But this situation seems like people trying to do something nice for their co-workers.  I'm guessing there are probably a couple of people that have some extra tough situations going on that everyone wants to help out and rather than embarrass them by taking up a collection just for them, they're making it look like they're helping out a bunch of families.  Instead of hitting everyone up individually "Hey, Karen's really broke while she's going through cancer treatments, wanna chip in for her Thanksgiving.?" or "Hey, Bob's wife got laid off and he's got six kids and he's really worried." and Karen and Bob knowing that everyone's putting on a charity drive just for them, it's a drive for "all the needy families".  And I can see wanting to make it easy for everyone to help Karen and Bob out without anyone having to come up to either of them directly and give them a handout. The bins make it a lot more anonymous.  And they also make it so that even management can be involved in donating without it looking like they're playing favorites with an employee or two or the employees who receive the generosity feeling like they owe the boss something extra for it or will be perceived as owing them something extra for it.  Plus, it makes it so that anyone having a tough time making ends meet themselves won't have to be approached to kick in to help out and feel bad about having to not participate.  The bin is there.  If you want to help and have the means to share, go for it.  If you don't, you aren't pressured to do anything.
 
2013-11-18 03:08:48 PM  

Joe Blowme: I know, lets add 11-20 million more unskilled workers and see if that fixes anything besides elections for the next 100 years


You mean legitimize the ones here working already?
 
2013-11-18 03:09:37 PM  

vabeard: Every company - medical facilities - I have ever worked for has always encouraged donations to less fortunate employees.


That doesn't make it okay, that makes it a systemic problem.
 
2013-11-18 03:10:00 PM  

monoski: Thanks Obama.

//107 posts and I am first to blame Fartbongo.


Sometimes there are things that are just so wrong that we can see clearly without any bullshiat who is at fault. Partisan politics can be put aside for a few things.

This is one of those times.

This is complete horse shiat. What Walmart is doing is completely disgraceful.
 
2013-11-18 03:10:02 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: CreamFilling: jaytkay: Six members of the Walton family (the original owners of WalMart) have more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans.

If you have a positive net worth you have more wealth than the bottom 25% of Americans. That doesn't make you rich. Of course, the Waltons are rich, but you don't need dramatic statements to prove that.

I think what Jay meant was "Combined" not on an individual basis.


Combined works too. The number is actually higher then, because the bottom 20% or so have negative wealth. It takes longer to get back into the black when you add up all those negatives.
 
2013-11-18 03:11:27 PM  

litespeed74: Not only is this a disgrace at the economic level but implying that all Walmart employees prefer it in the can is a stereotype outrage.


Makes it a lot easier.
img191.imageshack.us
 
2013-11-18 03:11:28 PM  

Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.


That's worse... much worse actually.   This is asking the poor to pay for the broke.  Classy Walmart, classy.   Maybe they should spend some of their massive political donations to help their suffering employees eh?
 
2013-11-18 03:11:30 PM  

redstarr01: I don't like Wal-Mart.  I haven't set foot in one in almost 3 years because I don't want to give them a penny of my own money.

But this situation seems like people trying to do something nice for their co-workers.  I'm guessing there are probably a couple of people that have some extra tough situations going on that everyone wants to help out and rather than embarrass them by taking up a collection just for them, they're making it look like they're helping out a bunch of families.  Instead of hitting everyone up individually "Hey, Karen's really broke while she's going through cancer treatments, wanna chip in for her Thanksgiving.?" or "Hey, Bob's wife got laid off and he's got six kids and he's really worried." and Karen and Bob knowing that everyone's putting on a charity drive just for them, it's a drive for "all the needy families".  And I can see wanting to make it easy for everyone to help Karen and Bob out without anyone having to come up to either of them directly and give them a handout. The bins make it a lot more anonymous.  And they also make it so that even management can be involved in donating without it looking like they're playing favorites with an employee or two or the employees who receive the generosity feeling like they owe the boss something extra for it or will be perceived as owing them something extra for it.  Plus, it makes it so that anyone having a tough time making ends meet themselves won't have to be approached to kick in to help out and feel bad about having to not participate.  The bin is there.  If you want to help and have the means to share, go for it.  If you don't, you aren't pressured to do anything.


The article notes that they have been doing this for several years so I would say the hardship is systematic rather than occasional.
 
2013-11-18 03:12:42 PM  
nothing new....but always worth re-linking.

#9, #10, #11, #12

Bloomberg Billionaires List
Today's ranking of the world's richest people
i.imgur.com


Those Waltons. They look so happy............and well fed.
 
2013-11-18 03:13:14 PM  

Felgraf: I am glad you agree that we need toraise the minimum wage



We need to do a lot more than just raise the minimum wage, my friend. It would be good to raise it, but stopping there is simply not going to be enough to fix the disaster we're building for ourselves one mountain of dynastic wealth at a time.
 
2013-11-18 03:13:29 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Even Trixie is enraged by this crap.

[img.fark.net image 512x288]


heh.  no fair stealing Shizzlewizzle, even if it is to point out how farked up walmart is right now.

if you really want to divide by zero here, look at the ebt thing...  walmart is cutting hours to compensate for eating the cost of the OOOHHH!! FREE FOOD!  which means that even MORE of their employees are now going to qualify for ebt.  and THEN they're basically saying "use your ebt to buy food for each other"
 
2013-11-18 03:14:03 PM  

CreamFilling: All2morrowsparTs: CreamFilling: jaytkay: Six members of the Walton family (the original owners of WalMart) have more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans.

If you have a positive net worth you have more wealth than the bottom 25% of Americans. That doesn't make you rich. Of course, the Waltons are rich, but you don't need dramatic statements to prove that.

I think what Jay meant was "Combined" not on an individual basis.

Combined works too. The number is actually higher then, because the bottom 20% or so have negative wealth. It takes longer to get back into the black when you add up all those negatives.


Yah it is 41% as the graphic shows. This is not a good thing, and it is dramatic, esentailly saying that one family controls 2/5ths of America's wealth.
 
2013-11-18 03:14:08 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Hmm, I was wondering how long it would take for this line of thinking to pop up here.


Right up there with "Can't afford health insurance? DON'T GET SICK!!"
 
2013-11-18 03:14:37 PM  

Heffaloo: Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?

Most of their employees have been held to part-time hours for decades.  Any time you see them brag about the average wage of a full-time Walmart employee, know that they are purposely removing 80-90% of their workforce from that average by not including the part-time workers.


Its been a few years since I worked hourly (2009), but my p/t hours were capped because if an employee worked 32 (iirc) hours a week, three weeks in a row they were *federally* defined as a f/t employee.

It sucked, because all I wanted was hours and didn't want or need any of the f/t benefits.

So it's not just the companies capping hours to be greedy. There are legal reasons why they restrict hours.
 
2013-11-18 03:14:37 PM  

theorellior: Benevolent Misanthrope: But this says to me that there are enough employees to need an organized program to help them.

Yes, it's called "food stamps".

Fark Wal-Mart.


Nah you can't count on those anymore, the idiot Republicans willed them out of existence to make way for more tax breaks: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/11/17/245487636/see-how-food-st a mp-cuts-are-hitting-across-the-u-s
 
2013-11-18 03:15:35 PM  

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


You're an idiot.  With 20% youth unemployment, retail jobs are rare and hard to get.  Keep the fark up.
 
2013-11-18 03:15:35 PM  

redstarr01: I don't like Wal-Mart.  I haven't set foot in one in almost 3 years because I don't want to give them a penny of my own money.

But this situation seems like people trying to do something nice for their co-workers.  I'm guessing there are probably a couple of people that have some extra tough situations going on that everyone wants to help out and rather than embarrass them by taking up a collection just for them, they're making it look like they're helping out a bunch of families.  Instead of hitting everyone up individually "Hey, Karen's really broke while she's going through cancer treatments, wanna chip in for her Thanksgiving.?" or "Hey, Bob's wife got laid off and he's got six kids and he's really worried." and Karen and Bob knowing that everyone's putting on a charity drive just for them, it's a drive for "all the needy families".  And I can see wanting to make it easy for everyone to help Karen and Bob out without anyone having to come up to either of them directly and give them a handout. The bins make it a lot more anonymous.  And they also make it so that even management can be involved in donating without it looking like they're playing favorites with an employee or two or the employees who receive the generosity feeling like they owe the boss something extra for it or will be perceived as owing them something extra for it.  Plus, it makes it so that anyone having a tough time making ends meet themselves won't have to be approached to kick in to help out and feel bad about having to not participate.  The bin is there.  If you want to help and have the means to share, go for it.  If you don't, you aren't pressured to do anything.


These people are having financial hardship BECAUSE they are working at Walmart.

This isn't about layoffs. This isn't about having to take time off unpaid for a sick kid.

This is about employees who can barely afford to live.

Walmart is a cancer.

/If Walmart truly cared about their employees going hungry then they would, you know, maybe let them have some of the food that is stocked on the shelves?
 
2013-11-18 03:15:56 PM  

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


static.comicvine.com
 
PJ-
2013-11-18 03:16:00 PM  
It could be worse, Wal-Mart could have said that there was a mandatory volunteer program at the local shelter feeding the homeless.
 
2013-11-18 03:16:28 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.


because there are tens of millions of jobs here unfilled that pay really good and have excellent benefits but no one smart enough to do them?
 
2013-11-18 03:16:34 PM  

mongbiohazard: This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

So it isn't enough to just not shop there. Every taxpayer is supporting this usurious system.

The destruction of the wages and wealth of the majority of Americans over the last few decades - so a favored very few can amass grotesque amounts of wealth at everyone else's expense - is a huge problem and I don't mean morally. It's a problem because it weakens our economy in general. It slows economic recovery, and hurts the job market. It's a serious threat to the country.

Our economy runs on consumption. The poorer the consumers are, the slower and weaker our economy is going to get. Our economic strength in the past relied in no small part on the vast wealth that the American system had created and distributed among the majority of the citizens, allowing for a vibrant and healthy economy. Now that wages and wealth are on the decline for the lower and middle classes not only do we have less capital to trade back and forth supporting each other, but the less capital we have means it's harder for the next small business to be created by that enterprising fellow in his garage... which impacts the creative destruction a system like ours needs.

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have less ability t ...


Excellent post, but how do those who are directly affected ... the working poor ... vote?   Or does it matter?  It seems a person is either on a treadmill with no time or resources to care, or, a person is not on a treadmill and doesn't care.
 
2013-11-18 03:17:26 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.


don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.
 
2013-11-18 03:18:50 PM  
oh....the numbers are just what they made recently.

The actual numbers
#9 - $39.3 billion
#10 - $37.4 billion
#11 - $ 36.4 billion
#12 - $ 35.7 billion
sorry for the confusion
 
2013-11-18 03:19:18 PM  

kpaxoid: mongbiohazard: This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

So it isn't enough to just not shop there. Every taxpayer is supporting this usurious system.

The destruction of the wages and wealth of the majority of Americans over the last few decades - so a favored very few can amass grotesque amounts of wealth at everyone else's expense - is a huge problem and I don't mean morally. It's a problem because it weakens our economy in general. It slows economic recovery, and hurts the job market. It's a serious threat to the country.

Our economy runs on consumption. The poorer the consumers are, the slower and weaker our economy is going to get. Our economic strength in the past relied in no small part on the vast wealth that the American system had created and distributed among the majority of the citizens, allowing for a vibrant and healthy economy. Now that wages and wealth are on the decline for the lower and middle classes not only do we have less capital to trade back and forth supporting each other, but the less capital we have means it's harder for the next small business to be created by that enterprising fellow in his garage... which impacts the creative destruction a system like ours needs.

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have ...


Poor people vote

Problem is is that they are scared into voting the two parties that don't give a shiat about them.

"Voting for Jill Stein is a vote for Mitt Romney and a war with Iran. Its OK that Obama isn't that Liberal, he would fark us less than Mitt Romney"

Jill Stein is an actual Liberal. Because people are too scared that Mitt Romney might have won they completely ignored her.

Those two parties use fear to keep the status-quo.

When people realize this then maybe we can have some real farking change.
 
2013-11-18 03:19:32 PM  
How about linking to the actual article by the people who actually did the reporting, instead of some web site making money off of other people's work?

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/11/is_walmarts_requ es t_of_associa.html
 
2013-11-18 03:20:03 PM  
If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.
 
2013-11-18 03:20:18 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Well I use Mac/Linux...: Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.

because there are tens of millions of jobs here unfilled that pay really good and have excellent benefits but not one smart enough 11Bs to do them?

 
2013-11-18 03:22:27 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Maybe learn a farking skill and don't work a job that a 16 year old could do.


Or maybe you could realize the world need manual labor and abusing them, treating them with contempt, or paying them poorly is an abhorrent practice to do to your fellow human beings, and people who do this to them deserve scorn, public shaming, and if necessary, to be drug through the courts, depending on how heinous the actions they take are.
Now then, since you have even less of an idea how the world works than I do, and seem to lack a conscience, go sit down and stay quiet while the adults are talking, little child.
 
2013-11-18 03:23:01 PM  

orclover: If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.


Actually a virus might solve the whole thing.
 
2013-11-18 03:23:31 PM  

MechaPyx: Since Wal-Mart's owners aren't paying enough we pick up the slack via food stamps and such.


Not for long!
 
2013-11-18 03:24:05 PM  

cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.


I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.
 
2013-11-18 03:24:16 PM  

orclover: If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.


This is the big fear.  The 1% has become SO greedy and SO obnoxious about it that violent upheaval is almost inevitable, but because they all live in their own little fantasy worlds they figure that it's okay as long as its not them.  Meanwhile, what's left of the middle class is looking at everybody going, WTF happenned?
 
2013-11-18 03:24:18 PM  
Why not get some of your fellow Walmart employees to assemble a systematic way to shoplift from their store.  Maybe you bring 12 items to the check out counter but your buddy only effectively scans 9 items. Or you get the loss prevention lead to reboot security cameras thereby shutting them down for a 5 minute "predetermined" time and suddenly the back door is a flurry of activity.  You see, this way Walmart helps its own, but doesn't actually know it and subsequently doesn't try to exploit their  generosity.

Huh? Huh? Genius right?

/maybe not, but Fark Walmart
 
2013-11-18 03:26:41 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.

I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.


I don't know how long ago that was...but I remember reading somewhere that something like nearly a quarter of all of Walmart employees quality for welfare.  I know there are several mitigating factors that come in to play with that.  But when the majority of the Walmart break rooms have postings from their HR departments on how to apply for welfare...there's just something so wrong with that.
 
2013-11-18 03:27:31 PM  
Those bastards! They shouldn't try to collect any food for their needy employees, the nerve. They should just let them starve.

They should stop paying people so little, too. Just lay them all off already so they can take all their marketable skills and extensive work experience to the $20 an hour job that Wal Mart has been stopping them from taking.
 
2013-11-18 03:30:38 PM  
The outrage is misplaced. The food drive is for employees who have undergone hardship, like if a family member has been laid off. The snerky answer of "like working at Walmart" has a disturbing grain of truth but the actual story here is ok IMHO.

Walmart is capitalism. If people don't like the basic premise of Walmart, they should shop elsewhere. Of course, voting with your $$$ can only be so effective in a country with such a disturbingly whacked distribution of weath but again, capitalism. If you don't like it, move to a more social country. Like, for example, basically every first world nation other than the USA.

The USA is unique in the first world in many ways. Almost all of them negative (IMHO).
 
2013-11-18 03:30:48 PM  

whidbey: orclover: If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.

Actually a virus might solve the whole thing.


I would be completley in favor of a superbug wiping out or nearly wiping out our species.  But rich people would have a near 100% survival rate compared to the rest of our planet.

A revolution will never happen either.  Rich people will just pay the army to wipe out all the poor people.   There is no end and no hope, were farked.  Well cept the rich people, they are just dandy.  I cant believe I brought children into this farking shiatty world.  Our species needs a mercy killing.
 
2013-11-18 03:31:07 PM  
Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac
 
2013-11-18 03:34:04 PM  

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. Yes
7. No
8. No
9. Yes
10. No

Walmart sucks. I hate that farking store and I hate its leadership.
 
2013-11-18 03:34:42 PM  

homelessdude: nothing new....but always worth re-linking.

#9, #10, #11, #12

Bloomberg Billionaires List
Today's ranking of the world's richest people
[i.imgur.com image 450x206]

Those Waltons. They look so happy............and well fed.


You sound jealous
 
2013-11-18 03:34:59 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.

I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.


my all-time favorite "nope, i'm getting close to an OT write-up, i'm going home now" story is the night that we discovered that one of the car batteries was leaking...
 
2013-11-18 03:35:03 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: Prophet of Loss: And yet people shop there in record numbers because ... they can't afford to shop anywhere else.

/"Its the cirrrrrrcccle of dystopiaaaaa!"

Hell, at this point Walmart isn't really all that cheap, so I don't get it, unless Walmart is the only place to shop in an area other than convenience stores.

I save way more loading coupons onto my Kroger card and shopping there during sales. Every time I go to Walmart (generally only late at night when I suddenly need something) I notice what I need is usually more than I could have gotten it somewhere else. If anywhere else is open I avoid Walmart like the plague.

Not to mention they seem absolutely incapable of opening more lanes when the lines get long (didn't one of their advertisements used to be that they always open an extra lane when a certain amount of people are in line?), and besides which they won't even keep all their self checkouts open. There are usually like 2-3 open out of 12. It's even worse when the cashier is usually some old arthritic lady who may be in early stages of dementia and scans the items as slowly as possible, and periodically gets confused as to where they are at and what they were doing.


It depends on how much you time is worth. How much time do you spend on your coupon addiction per week? If that time was paid at minimum wage and added to the total, did you really save any money?
 
2013-11-18 03:38:07 PM  
This reminds me - I haven't been up to see Crystal Bridges yet.
 
2013-11-18 03:38:38 PM  

Joe Blowme: homelessdude: nothing new....but always worth re-linking.

#9, #10, #11, #12

Bloomberg Billionaires List
Today's ranking of the world's richest people
[i.imgur.com image 450x206]

Those Waltons. They look so happy............and well fed.

You sound jealous


this is not jealousy, this is simple hypocrisy.  going into the part-time job i have now, i'm still making more than i did full-time after four years at walmart.  the current crop of waltons basically inherited an oil field.  and they're bleeding it dry.
 
2013-11-18 03:40:15 PM  

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


7. Yes.  All the rest. No.  Hipsters and Vegans aren't the only people that hate Walmart
 
2013-11-18 03:41:06 PM  

cynicalminion: Joe Blowme: homelessdude: nothing new....but always worth re-linking.

#9, #10, #11, #12

Bloomberg Billionaires List
Today's ranking of the world's richest people
[i.imgur.com image 450x206]

Those Waltons. They look so happy............and well fed.

You sound jealous

this is not jealousy, this is simple hypocrisy.  going into the part-time job i have now, i'm still making more than i did full-time after four years at walmart.  the current crop of waltons basically inherited an oil field.  and they're bleeding it dry.


Start you own retail store and then pay your employees anything you want.

/some are so generous with other peoples money
 
2013-11-18 03:41:14 PM  
Welcome to twenty years ago when this was a thing, nothing was done then and nothing will be done now.
 
2013-11-18 03:42:17 PM  

FinFangFark: Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.

I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.

I don't know how long ago that was...but I remember reading somewhere that something like nearly a quarter of all of Walmart employees quality for welfare.  I know there are several mitigating factors that come in to play with that.  But when the majority of the Walmart break rooms have postings from their HR departments on how to apply for welfare...there's just something so wrong with that.


It's higher than that now, for sure.  I worked there between 2004-2005, and nearly every other employee that I knew (besides fellow students) were on some combination of WIC, foodstamps, Medicaid, SSD, and general welfare.  Finding someone to approve a shift switch or time off request was impossible, but there were multiple info kiosks in the back to help employees file for any/all of the above mentioned benefits.
 
2013-11-18 03:42:30 PM  
I loathe Wal-Mart and do not shop there (I also don't shop at Sam's Club to be clear).

This is just ANOTHER example of something that was probably a good idea and in other workplaces might not have gotten this sort of press, but given how many of their employees are on Federal supplemental income, just is really bad. While I understand the concept of business being to make money, when you rake in nearly 16B in profit, why should you ask your already minimum wage earners to donate from their salary instead of perhaps your central pot of "let's help our employees" money? :: shrugs :: I get it, I'm a dreamer.

I was reading a study that focused on 12 or so states (I tried to google for it now and couldn't find it again, of course) and in nearly every one of them the top 2 employers that had employees on assistance were McDonald's and Wal-Mart. Publix / GIANT were also featured a few times. I know that there is a proportion going on in part of this study (i.e. Walmart and McDonald's employee X more folks than the other companies which could make the math fuzzy), but it's still disappointing.

Yes, I know other discount chains have similar practices... it just seems like you hear about Wal-Mart more frequently than the others.
 
2013-11-18 03:43:25 PM  
They probably figure that most of those donations will be purchased that their store. More sales!
 
2013-11-18 03:44:06 PM  
Its funny that we are technically our own keepers since America is a representational democracy and we choose to abuse ourselves on the aggregate.

It amazing how so many individual selfish actions amount to a lower standard of living for nearly everyone.
 
2013-11-18 03:45:27 PM  
Corporate Death Penalty?
 
2013-11-18 03:45:39 PM  

whidbey: orclover: If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.

Actually a virus might solve the whole thing.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

You called?
 
2013-11-18 03:45:58 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Its funny that we are technically our own keepers since America is a representational democracy and we choose to abuse ourselves on the aggregate.

It amazing how so many individual selfish actions amount to a lower standard of living for nearly everyone.


I know right?  And the level of hubris in the upper class is truly appalling.  I mean, at least Caligula was entertaining.
 
2013-11-18 03:46:03 PM  

cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.

I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.

my all-time favorite "nope, i'm getting close to an OT write-up, i'm going home now" story is the night that we discovered that one of the car batteries was leaking...


I vividly recall seeing a fellow cashier literally dragged off of her register and pulled - at a near run - to the back to clock out early because she was about to hit 40 hours for the week.

Oh, and there was a customer at the register at the time, in the middle of having their items rung up.  A CSM jumped into the register and tried to act as if nothing had happened at all.
 
2013-11-18 03:47:02 PM  
The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart
 
2013-11-18 03:47:04 PM  
Yeah, WalMart suck but they couldn't have done it without Hillary sitting on the Board of Directors while Bill signed all of the treaties to help them send our jobs to China but you will all still vote for her and continue to complain.
 
2013-11-18 03:47:13 PM  
Ihaveanevilparrot:
Not to mention they seem absolutely incapable of opening more lanes when the lines get long (didn't one of their advertisements used to be that they always open an extra lane when a certain amount of people are in line?), and besides which they won't even keep all their self checkouts open. There are usually like 2-3 open out of 12. It's even worse when the cashier is usually some old arthritic lady who may be in early stages of dementia and scans the items as slowly as possible, and periodically gets confused as to where they are at and what they were doing.

your personal experiences with aging demented arthritic cashiers aside, while i was working there, there were MANY times where people asked why we couldn't have more registers open, and the answer is "every single register-trained associate in the building is currently operating a register"  (this was before my store installed the self-checkouts, so can't argue that point... but really, all those registers are there for one reason.  this year, it's the 29th.  they don't determine how many registers a store has based on their employee coverage... otherwise you'd never find more than 6 checkouts in a walmart.
 
2013-11-18 03:48:14 PM  

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


People who make derogatory blanket statements instead of a counter argument tend to:
1. Be morons.
2. Troll internet forums.
 
2013-11-18 03:48:29 PM  
And thanks to walmart, poor people can have semi nice things. Now get your shiat and get out
 
2013-11-18 03:49:19 PM  

orclover: This will only get worse. A lot worse.


Blood in the streets, at some point.
 
2013-11-18 03:49:24 PM  

Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart


Wow man, so you think Unions will fix the problem... right?
 
2013-11-18 03:49:24 PM  
US banks received $83 billion in public money this year because they're "too big to fail".
 
2013-11-18 03:50:11 PM  
They should feed them all the McDonald's leftovers
 
2013-11-18 03:50:18 PM  

Joe Blowme: cynicalminion: Joe Blowme: homelessdude: nothing new....but always worth re-linking.

#9, #10, #11, #12

Bloomberg Billionaires List
Today's ranking of the world's richest people
[i.imgur.com image 450x206]

Those Waltons. They look so happy............and well fed.

You sound jealous

this is not jealousy, this is simple hypocrisy.  going into the part-time job i have now, i'm still making more than i did full-time after four years at walmart.  the current crop of waltons basically inherited an oil field.  and they're bleeding it dry.

Start you own retail store and then pay your employees anything you want.

/some are so generous with other peoples money


umm, they didn't start it.  and paying employees "anything you want" is why minimum wage laws are in place.
 
2013-11-18 03:50:54 PM  
At the bottom of TFA: The original version of this story stated that Wal-Mart was asking customers to donate food. The food drive is actually among employees. Also in TFA:  "This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.

Sounds to me like the store's employees are just being compassionate to their fellow coworkers during the holiday season.

Obviously, this is an outrage.
 
2013-11-18 03:51:29 PM  

Joe Blowme: And thanks to walmart, poor people can have semi nice things. Now get your shiat and get out


img.fark.net
 
2013-11-18 03:51:47 PM  
Aren't the owners of Wal-Mart edible?
 
2013-11-18 03:51:55 PM  

Lord Summerisle: US banks received $83 billion in public money this year because they're "too big to fail".


It's 83B$ a MONTH, and probably a LOT more once (if?) you can track down all the insider 0% deals they have going on with the fed.  Its a total circle jerk.
 
2013-11-18 03:51:56 PM  

Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart


not sure if serious
 
2013-11-18 03:52:19 PM  

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


No.
Yes.
No.
No.
Depends on if I got a shot.
No.
No.
Yes.
I'm not feigning disgust. It's real.
 
2013-11-18 03:52:35 PM  
I love how all the turds form the politics tab waddle their way into a thread and try to turn it in to a political discussion about the fact that Walmart is asking employees to give to their coworkers out of the kindness of their hear------WHY DOESN'T WALMART JUST GIVE THEM THE FOOD THEN.

/fark the right wingers, fark the left wingers
//this is exactly why we can't have nice things, Pepper
 
2013-11-18 03:53:28 PM  
*from
 
2013-11-18 03:53:35 PM  
if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.  if you don't feel like you can do that, try learning something useful.  if you don't feel like you can do that, accept that you're always going to be poor.

really that simple...
 
2013-11-18 03:54:32 PM  
Damnit... missed 5. No.

Now it looks like I only read books at Starbucks if I got a shot at small boobed chicks.
 
2013-11-18 03:54:38 PM  

stuff12345: if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.  if you don't feel like you can do that, try learning something useful.  if you don't feel like you can do that, accept that you're always going to be poor.

really that simple...


I think the bootstrap horse is dead.  You can stop hitting it now.
 
2013-11-18 03:54:45 PM  

FinFangFark: I love how all the turds form the politics tab waddle their way into a thread and try to turn it in to a political discussion about the fact that Walmart is asking employees to give to their coworkers out of the kindness of their hear------WHY DOESN'T WALMART JUST GIVE THEM THE FOOD THEN.

/fark the right wingers, fark the left wingers
//this is exactly why we can't have nice things, Pepper


I thought we couldn't have nice things cause wages are sh*t these days.
 
2013-11-18 03:54:50 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: They probably figure that most of those donations will be purchased that their store. More sales!


yup.  especially since the employee discount has most likely just expanded to cover food purchases through the new year...  so they're basically taking it all out of the paychecks.
 
2013-11-18 03:54:59 PM  
I am 50 years old. I have been working since I was 15, except for 2 years off to finish college.  I have worked at many types and sizes of businesses.  I have seen many of those businesses soliciting its employees for charitable donations for many causes over the years.  I have never seen or heard of a company asking its employees to give donations to its fellow employes, outside of a major disaster zone, e.g. give to help employees displaced by Hurricane Katrina.

This is a goddam disgrace and Wal-mart should be ashamed.  And McDonald's sending its employees to the state to get food stamps, when they farking sell "food," is also a disgrace.
 
2013-11-18 03:55:33 PM  

stuff12345: if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.



stateofworkingamerica.org


There are about three people for every one job available. It is not 'really that simple' for many of them.
 
2013-11-18 03:55:47 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.

I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.

my all-time favorite "nope, i'm getting close to an OT write-up, i'm going home now" story is the night that we discovered that one of the car batteries was leaking...

I vividly recall seeing a fellow cashier literally dragged off of her register and pulled - at a near run - to the back to clock out early because she was about to hit 40 hours for the week.

Oh, and there was a customer at the register at the time, in the middle of having their items rung up.  A CSM jumped into the register and tried to act as if nothing had happened at all.


I was a cashier at Sam's Club for about four years (*cough* 1996-1999 or thereabouts) and the same was true there.  Nobody worked over 40, except we lowest paid shlubs who got stuck with the closing shift on the weekends.  Fridays and Saturdays closing was 9:00pm but sometimes the store was such a mess we'd be there til after midnight straightening it up, pulling in carts, etc.  And sometimes you'd get stuck with the 7-3 shift the next morning which really blew but the up side was 7-9am on Saturday was really slow and 9-11 was kinda slow so it was an easy shift for the first half.  Then the afternoon was non-stop hell but at least you got to leave early.
 
2013-11-18 03:56:19 PM  

orclover: whidbey: orclover: If you are expecting a non terrestrial super powered invisible being to right the scales of such injustices, then you are part of the problem.

This will only get worse.  A lot worse.

Actually a virus might solve the whole thing.

I would be completley in favor of a superbug wiping out or nearly wiping out our species.  But rich people would have a near 100% survival rate compared to the rest of our planet.

A revolution will never happen either.  Rich people will just pay the army to wipe out all the poor people.   There is no end and no hope, were farked.  Well cept the rich people, they are just dandy.  I cant believe I brought children into this farking shiatty world.  Our species needs a mercy killing.


Hacking is the future. And yea verily the walls will come tumblin' down.
 
2013-11-18 03:56:25 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: FinFangFark: I love how all the turds form the politics tab waddle their way into a thread and try to turn it in to a political discussion about the fact that Walmart is asking employees to give to their coworkers out of the kindness of their hear------WHY DOESN'T WALMART JUST GIVE THEM THE FOOD THEN.

/fark the right wingers, fark the left wingers
//this is exactly why we can't have nice things, Pepper

I thought we couldn't have nice things cause wages are sh*t these days.


nubian, I have a well paying job...my wages are just fine.

Walmart's wages are shiat and their prices are low, because they pretty much have gov't "subsidies" to offset all that.
 
2013-11-18 03:56:40 PM  

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years --> Nope
2. Drink microbrewery beer --> Nope
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac --> Nope
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records --> Nope
5. Read books at Starbucks --> Nope
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts --> Nope
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers --> Nope
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises --> Not pretentious, I really well up
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter --> Nope
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

--> Nope

Sounds like you got me figured all out ;) Of course...when you're <letrole>, what else could you expect.

:: deposits her troll coins ::
 
2013-11-18 03:58:20 PM  

stuff12345: if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.  if you don't feel like you can do that, try learning something useful.  if you don't feel like you can do that, accept that you're always going to be poor.

really that simple...


Keep going. You haven't tripped yourself up yet.
 
2013-11-18 03:59:49 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart

not sure if serious


ok, fellow minion (and yes, my four years at wally world led to my handle) quit it.  you've got other stuff.  *tags in* don't worry, i got dis.
img.fark.net
 
2013-11-18 04:00:13 PM  

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


This is Fark, not your wish list.
 
2013-11-18 04:00:17 PM  

theorellior: orclover: This will only get worse. A lot worse.

Blood in the streets, at some point.


No.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-18 04:00:34 PM  

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


NO because republicans, nothing socialist about paying your employees a fair living wage.
 
2013-11-18 04:00:55 PM  

Hugh2d2: Damnit... missed 5. No.

Now it looks like I only read books at Starbucks if I got a shot at small boobed chicks.


isn't that the hipster way?
 
2013-11-18 04:01:25 PM  

Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.


Actually worse in my opinion. They recognize they have employees in need so rather than doing something for them corporately (with some of their $12 billion in annual profits) they are basically asking other employees to subsidize them (and I am sure if you don;t buy your canned goods at Wal-mart you'll hear from somebody)
 
2013-11-18 04:01:54 PM  

Hugh2d2: Damnit... missed 5. No.

Now it looks like I only read books at Starbucks if I got a shot at small boobed chicks.


Isn't that why anyone reads books at Starbucks?
 
Ant
2013-11-18 04:03:36 PM  

Prophet of Loss: And yet people shop there in record numbers because ... they can't afford to shop anywhere else.


I don't. WinCo FTW! They're employee owned.
 
2013-11-18 04:04:21 PM  

grimlock1972: Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"

NO because republicans, nothing socialist about paying your employees a fair living wage.


Another generous soul... with other peoples money. How quaint
 
2013-11-18 04:05:29 PM  

neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-18 04:06:11 PM  

cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart

not sure if serious

ok, fellow minion (and yes, my four years at wally world led to my handle) quit it.  you've got other stuff.  *tags in* don't worry, i got dis.
[img.fark.net image 500x534]


So, we are the tag team champs??  :D
 
2013-11-18 04:07:49 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: stuff12345: if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.  if you don't feel like you can do that, try learning something useful.  if you don't feel like you can do that, accept that you're always going to be poor.

really that simple...

I think the bootstrap horse is dead.  You can stop hitting it now.


Well, if you've tried failure and that didn't work...  Maybe it's time to give trying a try.
 
2013-11-18 04:08:04 PM  

whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

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Whiskey Rebellion
 
2013-11-18 04:10:06 PM  

whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

"Battle of the Beers"


Trick picture.  Neither are actually beer.
 
2013-11-18 04:11:13 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart

not sure if serious

ok, fellow minion (and yes, my four years at wally world led to my handle) quit it.  you've got other stuff.  *tags in* don't worry, i got dis.
[img.fark.net image 500x534]

So, we are the tag team champs??  :D


only ziggles can sell the wiggle...
 
2013-11-18 04:11:37 PM  
I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.
 
2013-11-18 04:11:54 PM  

neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]

Whiskey Rebellion


I would submit "they" put the same chemicals in Jack Daniels.
 
2013-11-18 04:12:29 PM  

Cpl.D: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

"Battle of the Beers"

Trick picture.  Neither are actually beer.


thatsthejoke.com
 
2013-11-18 04:12:52 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.


I'm sure if there were a bounty on trolls we'd never hear from you again.
 
2013-11-18 04:13:14 PM  
What in the f*cking f*ck.
 
2013-11-18 04:13:43 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?

I get the feeling that no matter the answer, it's all the government's fault


Wal Mart was *looooooong* in the business of cutting hours and hiring many part time employees before Obamacare and the full-time employee regulations came along.    Don't think that A=B here.    I worked for them for 2 weeks and was told immediately that was going to be the case, "Don't expect to get over 35 hours a week.  They like to keep everyone as a part time employee."
 
2013-11-18 04:14:11 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.

 
I think Drew needs to pay his modmins more... or anything really besides the crapy PBR 6 packs
 
2013-11-18 04:15:34 PM  

Third Day Mark: Peter von Nostrand: Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?

I get the feeling that no matter the answer, it's all the government's fault

Wal Mart was *looooooong* in the business of cutting hours and hiring many part time employees before Obamacare and the full-time employee regulations came along.    Don't think that A=B here.    I worked for them for 2 weeks and was told immediately that was going to be the case, "Don't expect to get over 35 hours a week.  They like to keep everyone as a part time employee."


And now its 25 instead of 35, thanks to ACA
 
2013-11-18 04:15:37 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.


I'd have you locked up, absolutely.
 
2013-11-18 04:15:52 PM  

Cpl.D: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

"Battle of the Beers"

Trick picture.  Neither are actually beer.


It's popular to bash Budweiser, but several years ago, after a hurricane came through and knocked out power/water to my neighborhood for 2 weeks, I had just spent an entire day clearing fallen trees when my mom pulled up with a cooler full of ice, and some Budweiser.  It was the first cold drink I'd had in almost 2 weeks, and it was one of the best goddamn tasting things I've ever had.  I still think about it to this day.  That doesn't mean I will go to the store and buy Bud today, but god DAMN that shiat was something else that day.
 
2013-11-18 04:15:57 PM  

Spaghetti Eatin' Goombah: letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

7. Yes.  All the rest. No.  Hipsters and Vegans aren't the only people that hate Walmart


Yep. With me it's just 1, 2, and 6, with a few disclaimers...
1.) I watch plenty of TV & movies (probably too much). I just watch them on my computer.
2.) There are 20+ microbreweries in town. They put out some damn good product.
6.) I actually do prefer them. Give a large B or a medium C and I'm good.

"It's my surname" Letrole seems to have a bad case of...

img.fark.net
 
2013-11-18 04:16:17 PM  

whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

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Whiskey Rebellion

I would submit "they" put the same chemicals in Jack Daniels.


My point was alcohol didn't work today we have better chems.
 
2013-11-18 04:16:36 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.


So generous with OTHER peoples money
 
2013-11-18 04:16:53 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.

BunkoSquad: They're actually asking employees to donate food to each other (more complete story). Wal-Mart surely doesn't want the customers to get the idea that the staff is underpaid and desperate.

I'm more concerned with the idea that any Wal-Mart would have enough employees who are so poor as to need help that they have to have an organized food drive for them.  No matter who they are asking to contribute.  I can see, "Oh, Jane's a part-time employee whose husband lost his job, let's help her out" happening, and that's laudable.  But this says to me that there are enough employees to need an organized program to help them.

That's just wrong.


I worked at Walmart for 2 years in college so almost never defend them but I have to on this one.  We did the same thing 12 years ago took up the collection but in our store it was cash that was given out in gift cards.  A lot of people don't understand how many people work in a Walmart the mid sized store I was at had 250 full time and 200 part time college kids i did not know more then the 50-60 who worked the same shift and same side of the building I was in.  I would have no way of knowing if the early morning door greeter had lost her husband, or if the overnight stockers kid had cancer but the manager did
 
2013-11-18 04:17:29 PM  
People won't be so fast to complain about Walmart when they are required to go onto the government Foodcare.gov exchange website and buy their grocery insurance and then pay for it with a price based on their income level.

/thanks Sam Walton (for not being a "community organizer")
 
2013-11-18 04:18:07 PM  

neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

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Whiskey Rebellion

I would submit "they" put the same chemicals in Jack Daniels.

My point was alcohol didn't work today we have better chems.


I don't think you got mine.
 
2013-11-18 04:18:13 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.


www.examiner.com
 
2013-11-18 04:18:44 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Also, I wonder which response is more likely from Wal-Mart if this really causes a viral internet outrage:

1) Gosh, wow, people are right. We thought we were being compassionate in facilitating an area for our employees to donate food to their needier co-workers, but now we understand that the very fact we needed to do this indicates that we're not paying the people we depend on to keep our stores operating enough money to survive. We get it now, we've been exploiting  the poor for entirely too long and underwriting our workforce with the sort of social safety net programs that our political arm actually rails against to score anti-regulation and anti-taxation points. Thank you for holding up this mirror for us to see ourselves and for giving us the opportunity to change.
2) Attention Wal-Mart employees: Due to recent unfavorable media coverage, any employees found bringing outside items into a store for the purposes of donation to another employee will be terminated immediately.


Either works for me. I'm also working on getting people who work even 1 minute a week kicked off of food stamps.

I figure if the right wing wants businesses off the hook, I want off the hook as well. I live a very modest looking lifestyle. I love my small house (compared to others who make the same amount) and cheaper car. I won't be targeted by the angry mobs.
 
2013-11-18 04:20:41 PM  

d23: iheartscotch: Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"

Well, and there is a causal link between raising the minimum wage and inflation.

oh I hate this meme.. but...

[citation needed]


--RAND PAUL
 
2013-11-18 04:20:42 PM  

whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]

Whiskey Rebellion

I would submit "they" put the same chemicals in Jack Daniels.

My point was alcohol didn't work today we have better chems.

I don't think you got mine.


I'm sure of it.
 
2013-11-18 04:21:37 PM  

Joe Blowme: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.

So generous with OTHER peoples money


The economy is a tool to improve people's lives

That is the whole point of it

If it doesn't improve peoples lives then it isn't living up to its promise.
 
2013-11-18 04:22:44 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

>>> have worked there at one point in their job history...
 
2013-11-18 04:23:38 PM  
I don't make snide remarks about Wal Mart, but I wanna play too!!!!

/deposits troll coins


letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years - have 4, leave one on during the day for the cats
2. Drink microbrewery beer - nope
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac - nope, What's a Mac?
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records - nope
5. Read books at Starbucks - won't go to Starbucks, I'll go to Wal Mart first
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts - nnnnope...don't bat for that side, so whatevs
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers - haven't ridden a bicycle in at least 30 years
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises - Fark, I'm a smoker. 
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter - nope, I'm fat, and I don't care
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac - it's not fake, haven't had one of those in 15 years either
 
2013-11-18 04:24:04 PM  

chitlenz: Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart

Wow man, so you think Unions will fix the problem... right?


Absolutely.  As long as you define the problem as "People are paid what they are worth to a company" and you want to punish those who do their jobs well.  Go Union!
 
2013-11-18 04:25:05 PM  

inglixthemad: Pocket Ninja: Also, I wonder which response is more likely from Wal-Mart if this really causes a viral internet outrage:

1) Gosh, wow, people are right. We thought we were being compassionate in facilitating an area for our employees to donate food to their needier co-workers, but now we understand that the very fact we needed to do this indicates that we're not paying the people we depend on to keep our stores operating enough money to survive. We get it now, we've been exploiting  the poor for entirely too long and underwriting our workforce with the sort of social safety net programs that our political arm actually rails against to score anti-regulation and anti-taxation points. Thank you for holding up this mirror for us to see ourselves and for giving us the opportunity to change.
2) Attention Wal-Mart employees: Due to recent unfavorable media coverage, any employees found bringing outside items into a store for the purposes of donation to another employee will be terminated immediately.

Either works for me. I'm also working on getting people who work even 1 minute a week kicked off of food stamps.

I figure if the right wing wants businesses off the hook, I want off the hook as well. I live a very modest looking lifestyle. I love my small house (compared to others who make the same amount) and cheaper car. I won't be targeted by the angry mobs.


You have a house? You obviously are not paying your fair share
 
2013-11-18 04:25:13 PM  

crab66: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.

[www.examiner.com image 440x320]


LOL.  I'm REALLY hoping the Waltons will have sex with me.  All of them.  Maybe even at the same time.
 
2013-11-18 04:26:34 PM  

cman: Joe Blowme: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.

So generous with OTHER peoples money

The economy is a tool to improve people's lives

That is the whole point of it

If it doesn't improve peoples lives then it isn't living up to its promise.


Its called reality, life aint always fair, get used to it.

/get busy living or get busy dying.... oh Andy
 
2013-11-18 04:27:25 PM  
I can't believe a copypasta troll is still getting hits after YEARS OF DOING THE SAME OLD SCHTICK.
 
2013-11-18 04:28:16 PM  
"'That Wal-Mart would have the audacity to ask low-wage workers to donate food to other low-wage workers - to me, it is a moral outrage,' Norma Mills, a customer at the store."

Yet you continue to shop there?
 
2013-11-18 04:28:21 PM  

JungleBoogie: If only there was some way their needy employees could get more money....

Got it! Drug dealing.

Done and done. Have HR send out the memo.


Next thing you know, they'll be asking each other for help with that too.
i1.sndcdn.com
 
2013-11-18 04:28:58 PM  

whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

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Whiskey Rebellion

I would submit "they" put the same chemicals in Jack Daniels.

My point was alcohol didn't work today we have better chems.

I don't think you got mine.


Tell me! Please.
 
2013-11-18 04:29:35 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Voiceofreason01: Which is a totally valid point that does not in any way diminish the fact that Walmart pays their employees far too little to the point where many are forced to rely on charity or government assistance just to make ends meet.

So you believe this, so they shouldn't help people out because it would look bad?! Why not applaud this locale store for doing something right?


Why not simply raise their wages by a dollar per hour or whatever so they can just buy the garbage they need?
 
2013-11-18 04:30:34 PM  

Joe Blowme: Start you own retail store and then pay your employees anything you want.


Can't afford to, Walmart is distorting the labor and retail markets in a way that stifles competition and disadvantages people who sell their labor and they're doing it (at least partially) at the expense of the public. In a civilized country what they're doing would be illegal.
 
2013-11-18 04:30:46 PM  

Joe Blowme: Its called reality, life aint always fair, get used to it.


that's what they can say to the shareholders after the government forces walmart to pay a higher wage.
 
2013-11-18 04:31:08 PM  

stuff12345: if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.  if you don't feel like you can do that, try learning something useful.  if you don't feel like you can do that, accept that you're always going to be poor.

really that simple...


OR, just hear me out, you could exercise your 1st amendment solutions to draw attention to, and perhaps change, what you feel to be a fundamental suicidal and economic injustice.
 
2013-11-18 04:32:01 PM  

neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

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Whiskey Rebellion

I would submit "they" put the same chemicals in Jack Daniels.

My point was alcohol didn't work today we have better chems.

I don't think you got mine.

I'm sure of it.


www.thefix.com

Dude, what better chemical is there that makes you want to slouch down in front of megacorp TV and get your news from Fox/CNN/NASCAR than shiatty rice filler beer?

It's been done. We just to get to the whole concentration camp thing. We could make it look like someone's living room. Or Hooters. Only the kitchen's closed.
 
2013-11-18 04:33:10 PM  
need to get
 
2013-11-18 04:33:17 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B


The Waltons weren't "given" $30B, the workers they refuse to pay a living wage to earned it for them.
 
2013-11-18 04:33:25 PM  

udhq: stuff12345: if you don't like what you make at your job, get a better one.  if you don't feel like you can do that, try learning something useful.  if you don't feel like you can do that, accept that you're always going to be poor.

really that simple...

OR, just hear me out, you could exercise your 1st amendment solutions to draw attention to, and perhaps change, what you feel to be a fundamental suicidal and economic injustice.


By "suicidal", I of course mean "social"...
 
2013-11-18 04:33:41 PM  
If Walmart just took say 250 million of that 15.7 billion they make in a year, and dedicated it to profit sharing among it's employees, can you image how much different it would be?  People working there might actually be semi-pleasant. The stores might actually be bearable to go into and not make you feel like your soul is being sucked out.

In turn, they might actually MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY and shed some of the negative reputation  It's a crazy thought but it just might work.
 
2013-11-18 04:35:45 PM  

Joe Blowme: cman: Joe Blowme: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.

So generous with OTHER peoples money

The economy is a tool to improve people's lives

That is the whole point of it

If it doesn't improve peoples lives then it isn't living up to its promise.

Its called reality, life aint always fair, get used to it.

/get busy living or get busy dying.... oh Andy


Life isn't fair? No shiat, Sherlock.

The economy is a great tool to not only improve lives but also to advance civilization. The technological wonders that have come thanks to modern banking and investment finance are easily overlooked. The rise of banking and the industrial revolution happened at the same time, and that isn't a coincidence.

How does basic economics work? Simple: velocity. The faster that money moves the better off the economy is because we are consuming more which forces businesses to increase production and R&D.

I love this technological paradise. I love it very much so. But, we can do much better. If we can speed up the exchange of money for goods we speed up everything that goes with it, including, as I said, technological advancements.

Velocity is a problem when people don't have money to spend. You can't draw blood from a stone.
 
2013-11-18 04:36:00 PM  

blunto: In turn, they might actually MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY and shed some of the negative reputation It's a crazy thought but it just might work.


I'm certain one of our resident water-carriers will come in and be offended that you even though that.
 
2013-11-18 04:38:25 PM  

whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: whidbey: neversubmit: a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude

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Whiskey Rebellion

I would submit "they" put the same chemicals in Jack Daniels.

My point was alcohol didn't work today we have better chems.

I don't think you got mine.

I'm sure of it.

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Dude, what better chemical is there that makes you want to slouch down in front of megacorp TV and get your news from Fox/CNN/NASCAR than shiatty rice filler beer?

It's been done. We just to get to the whole concentration camp thing. We could make it look like someone's living room. Or Hooters. Only the kitchen's closed.


It's called liquid courage for a reason.
 
2013-11-18 04:39:03 PM  

cman: Life isn't fair? No shiat, Sherlock.

The economy is a great tool to not only improve lives but also to advance civilization. The technological wonders that have come thanks to modern banking and investment finance are easily overlooked. The rise of banking and the industrial revolution happened at the same time, and that isn't a coincidence.

How does basic economics work? Simple: velocity. The faster that money moves the better off the economy is because we are consuming more which forces businesses to increase production and R&D.

I love this technological paradise. I love it very much so. But, we can do much better. If we can speed up the exchange of money for goods we speed up everything that goes with it, including, as I said, technological advancements.

Velocity is a problem when people don't have money to spend. You can't draw blood from a stone.


This. Read this and understand.
 
2013-11-18 04:40:03 PM  

blunto: If Walmart just took say 250 million of that 15.7 billion they make in a year, and dedicated it to profit sharing among it's employees, can you image how much different it would be?  People working there might actually be semi-pleasant. The stores might actually be bearable to go into and not make you feel like your soul is being sucked out.

In turn, they might actually MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY and shed some of the negative reputation  It's a crazy thought but it just might work.


Yeah... giving them all 120 bucks a year would really change lives.
 
2013-11-18 04:40:13 PM  

cman: You can't draw blood from a stone.


4.bp.blogspot.com

You might if you asked her nicely. Probably not a wise fan request, though.
 
2013-11-18 04:40:55 PM  
Here's how to make a living:
1) If you're a 16 year old, get a job at a Walmart.
2) If you're older than that, you need to get a degree, you idiot.
3) If you get a degree, you're an idiot and no one told you there would be a job waiting for you, you ... snowflake.
4) Have your parents give you $20,000 and start a multi-billion dollar corporation due to the tax breaks you'll get for donating $100K to various politicians' campaigns.  (Forgot to add: have your parents give you $100K to bribe the politicians).
5) You made it to this step without a job or owning a corporation? Lazy ass!  Go get a job in retail!  It's not as if there aren't any jobs in retail.
6) There is no step 6.  You need to go on food stamps and welfare, dumb ass!  Serves you right for not being born a Walton.  By the way, we're cutting out food stamps, you lazy, overeducated commie snowflake.
 
2013-11-18 04:47:02 PM  

Jgok: Letrole


I also note that the google search for "Letrole /"last name/" " fails to turn up anyone in the world with the last name (excuse me, *SURname) of Letrole.


*SURprise, SURprise,  SURprise [NOT]
 
2013-11-18 04:47:09 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Joe Blowme: Start you own retail store and then pay your employees anything you want.

Can't afford to, Walmart is distorting the labor and retail markets in a way that stifles competition and disadvantages people who sell their labor and they're doing it (at least partially) at the expense of the public. In a civilized country what they're doing would be illegal.


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2013-11-18 04:47:23 PM  

jaytkay: Six members of the Walton family (the original owners of WalMart) have more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans.


mofa: Here's how to make a living:
1) If you're a 16 year old, get a job at a Walmart.
2) If you're older than that, you need to get a degree, you idiot.
3) If you get a degree, you're an idiot and no one told you there would be a job waiting for you, you ... snowflake.
4) Have your parents give you $20,000 and start a multi-billion dollar corporation due to the tax breaks you'll get for donating $100K to various politicians' campaigns.  (Forgot to add: have your parents give you $100K to bribe the politicians).
5) You made it to this step without a job or owning a corporation? Lazy ass!  Go get a job in retail!  It's not as if there aren't any jobs in retail.
6) There is no step 6.  You need to go on food stamps and welfare, dumb ass!  Serves you right for not being born a Walton.  By the way, we're cutting out food stamps, you lazy, overeducated commie snowflake.


And yet those who are hoarding weapons and planning revolution are bigots who are scared of things that aren't really there, yet backing this sort of behavior.  Hell of a thing America has going for it.
 
2013-11-18 04:50:12 PM  
If you could rid the world of cancer or Wal-Mart, which would you choose? I find myself actually stopping to think about it.
 
2013-11-18 04:52:56 PM  

mofa: Here's how to make a living:
1) If you're a 16 year old, get a job at a Walmart.
2) If you're older than that, you need to get a degree, you idiot.
3) If you get a degree, you're an idiot and no one told you there would be a job waiting for you, you ... snowflake.
4) Have your parents give you $20,000 and start a multi-billion dollar corporation due to the tax breaks you'll get for donating $100K to various politicians' campaigns.  (Forgot to add: have your parents give you $100K to bribe the politicians).
5) You made it to this step without a job or owning a corporation? Lazy ass!  Go get a job in retail!  It's not as if there aren't any jobs in retail.
6) There is no step 6.  You need to go on food stamps and welfare, dumb ass!  Serves you right for not being born a Walton.  By the way, we're cutting out food stamps, you lazy, overeducated commie snowflake.


Step 3a.  If you're going to get a useful degree, get a degree.  Useful degrees often have one or more of these words in them:  Computer, Mechanical, Electrical, or Chemistry.  
Step 3b.  If you don't plan on getting a useful degree, skip college.  Try a trade school.

Failing either of those, proceed to step 5.
 
2013-11-18 04:55:36 PM  

star_topology: If you could rid the world of cancer or Wal-Mart, which would you choose? I find myself actually stopping to think about it.


Medical science will determine they are the same thing.
 
2013-11-18 04:57:33 PM  
Aren't they supposed to be working on Thanksgiving?
 
2013-11-18 04:57:34 PM  

Dirty Doug: The fact is that the employees choose to work there, just like the consumers choose to shop there.  You can't act like they don't have any other options.  They just may not like those options.  At the end of the day, if they refused to work for those wages, the wages would go up, or would go to people who are willing to work for those wages.

Go work somewhere else.  What?  Nobody else is handing out money to people who haven't bothered to learn a trade, get a degree, etc?  Let's all cry like little biatches about it.  That will solve it.  Better yet, let's cry until some moron in the government passes a law to fix it.  Then start crying about the prices going up.  Start crying about the little businesses that go under.

Guess who loses?  Guess who pays?  All you sell-outs who still shop at WalMart (and the other stores that treat their employees like crap).

// Won't shop at WalMart


Not only are you mean spirited, but you are ignorant and stupid.

Why don't you do some research on Walmarts bully tactics on suppliers and such as, nimrod.
 
2013-11-18 05:00:02 PM  
Grand_Moff_Joseph:

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

What do you mean "return cart"
That is the collection basket
 
2013-11-18 05:01:43 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Why? What if someone's family just lost the other paycheck? What if they just had triplets? What if someone was in a car wreak and couldn't work the hours?

There are many reason why someone would need help other than "haha Wal-Mart doesn't pay"

Oh, I agree, there's plenty of good reasons for Wal-Mart to do this. And, actually, lots of companies do things like this around the holidays.

But when you set this alongside the well-established issues around worker compensation and Wal-Mart, and frame it with the short-on-details article that actually got greenlit, you'd have to be blind to not see how this has the potential to play very, very badly from a media relations perspective.


And we, as the general public, should care more about the factual information than the media relations pandering from either side.  These 'images' and 'reports' are being circulated around the internet by Union interest groups.  I'd much rather hear from the employees (associates!) at the store, than someone from either side of the spectrum with a media relations agenda.
 
2013-11-18 05:04:30 PM  

runwiz: Aren't they supposed to be working on Thanksgiving?


Funny'd
 
2013-11-18 05:06:21 PM  
sufferpuppet:Step 3a.  If you're going to get a useful degree, get a degree.  Useful degrees often have one or more of these words in them:  Computer, Mechanical, Electrical, or Chemistry.  
Step 3b.  If you don't plan on getting a useful degree, skip college.  Try a trade school.

Failing either of those, proceed to step 5.


The fact is that the average real wage for most STEM careers hasn't gone up since the early 80's, just because you can earn a living wage while being ripped off doesn't mean that you're not being ripped off.
 
2013-11-18 05:06:24 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Joe Blowme: Start you own retail store and then pay your employees anything you want.

Can't afford to, Walmart is distorting the labor and retail markets in a way that stifles competition and disadvantages people who sell their labor and they're doing it (at least partially) at the expense of the public. In a civilized country what they're doing would be illegal.


That assumes that they bear some responsibility for their employees.  They will pay as little as they can to get the staffing they need.  We can either tax them at a higher rate to offset the cost of providing government assistance to their underpaid employees or we can raise the minimum they pay to a level that doesn't require government assistance, or we can continue to allow this open wound in our economy to hemorrhage money while the business owners make out like bandits.  It's up to us because they have no incentive to change themselves.  Civilized countries pay wages their people can live on and tax their people at a rate that can pay for their expenses.  I'm having trouble thinking of a country that meets those criteria.
 
2013-11-18 05:09:19 PM  
 
2013-11-18 05:12:25 PM  

sufferpuppet: Step 3a. If you're going to get a useful degree, get a degree. Useful degrees often have one or more of these words in them: Computer, Mechanical, Electrical, or Chemistry.


And here we have one of the major problems of America, anti-intellectualism.

Voiceofreason01: Walmart is distorting the labor and retail markets in a way that stifles competition


The existence of Costco and others says otherwise. Walmart isn't keeping anyone from paying their employees well. Indeed the more people who do so the harder it gets for Walmart.
 
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2013-11-18 05:13:10 PM  

mongbiohazard: No doubt many of those people work harder than you or I do


Having done all kinds of jobs in my lifetime, from retail to assembly to yacht painting, to food service, I can definitely say they work a lot harder than I do nowadays. I'm in IT now, and I mostly get paid for knowing stuff, not for doing stuff.

Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.
 
2013-11-18 05:13:50 PM  

UseLessHuman:  Civilized countries pay wages their people can live on and tax their people at a rate that can pay for their expenses.  I'm having trouble thinking of a country that meets those criteria.


Canada, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Great Britain, France, Sweden, Finland...there are more. Walmart's business model is damaging and because of their size it's market distorting. It's bad for workers, other retailers, State Government and it's bad for the economy as a whole. But I suppose it is very good for the Walton family and they're "job creators" so there's that.
 
2013-11-18 05:16:59 PM  

Ant: mongbiohazard: No doubt many of those people work harder than you or I do

Having done all kinds of jobs in my lifetime, from retail to assembly to yacht painting, to food service, I can definitely say they work a lot harder than I do nowadays. I'm in IT now, and I mostly get paid for knowing stuff, not for doing stuff.

Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.


That's the rub. It's easier just to look down and dispense free advice, I suppose.
 
2013-11-18 05:17:47 PM  

WhyteRaven74: sufferpuppet: Step 3a. If you're going to get a useful degree, get a degree. Useful degrees often have one or more of these words in them: Computer, Mechanical, Electrical, or Chemistry.

And here we have one of the major problems of America, anti-intellectualism.

Voiceofreason01: Walmart is distorting the labor and retail markets in a way that stifles competition

The existence of Costco and others says otherwise. Walmart isn't keeping anyone from paying their employees well. Indeed the more people who do so the harder it gets for Walmart.


I don't think its anti-illectualism. I believe we are more of anti-elitist. We Americans love learning about everything. It doesn't matter the subject, each American has something that they like to learn everything about.
 
2013-11-18 05:25:56 PM  
Walmart is cat puke.
 
2013-11-18 05:26:07 PM  

cman: I don't think its anti-illectualism. I believe we are more of anti-elitist. We Americans love learning about everything. It doesn't matter the subject, each American has something that they like to learn everything about.


retired.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-11-18 05:28:24 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Voiceofreason01: Walmart is distorting the labor and retail markets in a way that stifles competition

The existence of Costco and others says otherwise. Walmart isn't keeping anyone from paying their employees well. Indeed the more people who do so the harder it gets for Walmart.


Stifling competition does not mean that there isn't any(although a much better example would be Target which is suffering), just look at what Walmart does to small retailers in the area's affected by it's stores. There really isn't a question whether or not Walmart is distorting the labor and retail markets. What's more debatable is how much and how much damage it's doing.
 
2013-11-18 05:33:08 PM  

whidbey: cman: I don't think its anti-illectualism. I believe we are more of anti-elitist. We Americans love learning about everything. It doesn't matter the subject, each American has something that they like to learn everything about.

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Well, most Americans...
 
2013-11-18 05:37:46 PM  

whidbey: Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.

That's the rub. It's easier just to look down and dispense free advice, I suppose.


I did it... can I dispense free advice?

Learn a trade... show up on time... work hard. It's not that hard.

Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.
 
2013-11-18 05:40:41 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: whidbey: Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.

That's the rub. It's easier just to look down and dispense free advice, I suppose.

I did it... can I dispense free advice?

Learn a trade... show up on time... work hard. It's not that hard.

Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.


Great. So why don't you quit your job and become one?
 
2013-11-18 05:45:31 PM  
bc5f8655ec0d8ce3b16c-67245749e7a5dacabb139b9ac5e160a3.r91.cf3.rackcdn.com

FTFA:"It's proof our employees care for each other."

Don't go to America.  It's a terrible place.
 
2013-11-18 05:48:55 PM  

whidbey: Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.

Great. So why don't you quit your job and become one?


I'm doing just fine... but thanks for your concern.
 
2013-11-18 05:52:11 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: whidbey: Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.

Great. So why don't you quit your job and become one?

I'm doing just fine... but thanks for your concern.


Well then maybe you should take some of your free time out and learn what it means to be trapped into a cycle of poverty. Because you obviously don't know, hence the free advice.
 
2013-11-18 05:52:22 PM  
Never shopped at WalMart, just what am I missing?
 
2013-11-18 05:55:05 PM  

WhyteRaven74: sufferpuppet: Step 3a. If you're going to get a useful degree, get a degree. Useful degrees often have one or more of these words in them: Computer, Mechanical, Electrical, or Chemistry.

And here we have one of the major problems of America, anti-intellectualism.


Nothing anti-intellectual about it.  It in fact encourages the use of your intellect.  If your goal for college is to ultimately make money, going thousands into debt with no marketable skills to show for it is a poor choice.  Aim for a profession that will let you pay back that loan some day.

If your goal for your education isn't a financial one, grab your rainbow and make a wish.  Just don't get all teary eyed if the rest of the world doesn't appreciate your efforts.
 
2013-11-18 05:57:41 PM  

sufferpuppet: If your goal for your education isn't a financial one, grab your rainbow and make a wish.  Just don't get all teary eyed if the rest of the world doesn't appreciate your efforts.


Let me guess, liberal arts/humanities degrees=shiat tier education
engineers=good

Because that's where we're headed with this.
 
2013-11-18 05:59:51 PM  

sufferpuppet: WhyteRaven74: sufferpuppet: Step 3a. If you're going to get a useful degree, get a degree. Useful degrees often have one or more of these words in them: Computer, Mechanical, Electrical, or Chemistry.

And here we have one of the major problems of America, anti-intellectualism.

Nothing anti-intellectual about it.  It in fact encourages the use of your intellect.  If your goal for college is to ultimately make money, going thousands into debt with no marketable skills to show for it is a poor choice.  Aim for a profession that will let you pay back that loan some day.

If your goal for your education isn't a financial one, grab your rainbow and make a wish.  Just don't get all teary eyed if the rest of the world doesn't appreciate your efforts.


You make a good point.  Those go-getter business school grads really did well for themselves in the past few decades.

They farked the economy and the 99%, but they have what they want and everyone else can go fark themselves.
 
2013-11-18 06:06:32 PM  

whidbey: sufferpuppet: If your goal for your education isn't a financial one, grab your rainbow and make a wish.  Just don't get all teary eyed if the rest of the world doesn't appreciate your efforts.

Let me guess, liberal arts/humanities degrees=shiat tier education
engineers=good

Because that's where we're headed with this.


Study whatever floats your boat.  But if your goal is to make money, one of these is more reliable than the other.  If your goal isn't to make money, try not to act shocked or tell us the system is broken when you don't make money.
 
2013-11-18 06:09:21 PM  

letrole: Anyone who makes snide remarks about Wal-Mart also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Ride a bike wearing spandex stretch trousers
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


1.  Nope.  Own a TV, used it yesterday to rewatch 80s mass market movies & TV.
2.  Yep.
3.  Nope.
4.  Nope.
5.  Hell no.  Their coffee is too high priced.
6.  They are cute.
7.  Nope.
8.  Nope.
9.  Nope.
10.  As another poster says, it's not feigned.
 
2013-11-18 06:13:04 PM  

Magorn: Pocket Ninja: This article does not really make it clear (the linked one is much better, and does), but the food drive is not actually soliciting customers. It's for employees to donate food to other employees. Which is a little less bad, but still won't play very well.

Actually worse in my opinion. They recognize they have employees in need so rather than doing something for them corporately (with some of their $12 billion in annual profits) they are basically asking other employees to subsidize them (and I am sure if you don;t buy your canned goods at Wal-mart you'll hear from somebody)


If Liberals would stop going to Wal-mart to steal shiat maybe they could give raises. It is a known fact the they spend 55 % of profits on Liberal theft.

I made that number up but this time in history just being correct isn't important.
 
2013-11-18 06:16:36 PM  
If you shop at Walmart, you are part of the problem.
 
2013-11-18 06:22:44 PM  
I see WM's point on this. While none of their employees are rolling in cash, a lot of them are better off than the others.

One thing I'm getting tired of seeing on the internets is the "Oh my god Wal Mart doesn't pay high enough!"

Well, internets, you continue to shop there because of the price (no other reason to go into that craphole) and as soon as they raise the prices just a little bit, not enough enough to give a decent wage, your ass is bolting to Target.

So STFU with your outrage.
 
2013-11-18 06:46:45 PM  

Thingster: Heffaloo: Voiceofreason01: Fark It: A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.
"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.
Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Like working for WalMart?

getting their hours cut down to part time so that Walmart doesn't have to offer them health insurance, maybe?

Most of their employees have been held to part-time hours for decades.  Any time you see them brag about the average wage of a full-time Walmart employee, know that they are purposely removing 80-90% of their workforce from that average by not including the part-time workers.

Its been a few years since I worked hourly (2009), but my p/t hours were capped because if an employee worked 32 (iirc) hours a week, three weeks in a row they were *federally* defined as a f/t employee.

It sucked, because all I wanted was hours and didn't want or need any of the f/t benefits.

So it's not just the companies capping hours to be greedy. There are legal reasons why they restrict hours.


No, that's pretty much greed. They need full time workers, but they don't want to pay for full time workers, so they just get more part timers and fark everyone to make a better profit, mostly because they can. That's kinda the definition of greed.
 
2013-11-18 06:48:09 PM  

inglixthemad: Pocket Ninja: Also, I wonder which response is more likely from Wal-Mart if this really causes a viral internet outrage:

1) Gosh, wow, people are right. We thought we were being compassionate in facilitating an area for our employees to donate food to their needier co-workers, but now we understand that the very fact we needed to do this indicates that we're not paying the people we depend on to keep our stores operating enough money to survive. We get it now, we've been exploiting  the poor for entirely too long and underwriting our workforce with the sort of social safety net programs that our political arm actually rails against to score anti-regulation and anti-taxation points. Thank you for holding up this mirror for us to see ourselves and for giving us the opportunity to change.
2) Attention Wal-Mart employees: Due to recent unfavorable media coverage, any employees found bringing outside items into a store for the purposes of donation to another employee will be terminated immediately.

Either works for me. I'm also working on getting people who work even 1 minute a week kicked off of food stamps.

I figure if the right wing wants businesses off the hook, I want off the hook as well. I live a very modest looking lifestyle. I love my small house (compared to others who make the same amount) and cheaper car. I won't be targeted by the angry mobs.


Wouldn't that be nice... the angry mobs won't be checking to see if you live within your means. You'll have nicer things than they do, so you'll be a target, whether you're actually part of the problem or not. That's why so many people are for raising minimum wage, etc., because we don't want a replay of the French Revolution, where the "rich" were just killed indiscriminately, etc.
 
2013-11-18 06:54:37 PM  
I like walmart. Yeah, I said it. yeah, they do farked up things, but so do all corporations. And yeah, the pay is shiat, just like the benefits. The idea is to work your way up or out, not stay a farking cashier for forty years. Whining to get others to change things is not nearly as effective as working toward a change yourself.

To reiterate, I do not think walmart is innocent of everything they've been accused of, I an not saying people should be treated unfairly; I just think it's time people realize that a job is not the same as a career, and if your ambitions do not involve actually trying to succeed in some way, chances are you won't.
 
2013-11-18 07:05:31 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I'm sure if everyone bashing the Waltons on here were given $30B they would still be championing higher wages for all on Fark.com, and not lounging on a yacht somewhere in the tropics.


With $30B, you could comfortably do both.  Paul Allen's insane yacht, with its two helicopters and submarine, only cost $200M to buy and about $20M/year to own and operate.  Which means... with $30 Billion, you can buy an utterly insane superyacht and sail it around for the next 100 years, and throw in an extra $10M a year in spending money... and at the end of that hundred years, *you will still have 26.8 billion dollars left*.

It is hard to overstate how much money thirty billion dollars is.  With the the money left over after you build and run your yacht for 100 years, while blowing $10 million a year on whatever you feel like, you could pay more than 500,000 people the average US family income one time.  Alternatively, if you stuck it in a crappy investment that returned 2%, you could pay roughly 11,000 people the median household income *forever*.
 
2013-11-18 07:15:22 PM  

Carn: d23: Carn: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.

I would patronize costco if there was one near me.

Secondly, Sam's Club is basically the same store, so that doesn't make much sense.

I've been thinking about getting a Costco membership and shopping there on occasion only for the fact that they treat their people well.  I wish Wegman's were closer to me too.


Honestly, you should shop at Costco because it's amazing. Their store-brand food is actually really good, their prices are amazing (including on stuff like TVs), and even their cake decorators are competent. Some of their stores even have eyeglass shops and printer-ink refills available (fill two ink cartridges and you've paid for the membership right there, seriously). They are good to both their employees AND their customers. The only good reason not to shop there, if there's one around, is not having the storage space/car for large quantities, and even then, there are some good deals in the pharmacy and electronics areas.
 
2013-11-18 07:17:17 PM  
I wished I truly cared about other people. No, I really do. Yet, you're all worthless bastards.
 
2013-11-18 07:21:33 PM  

Carn: d23: Carn: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.

I would patronize costco if there was one near me.

Secondly, Sam's Club is basically the same store, so that doesn't make much sense.

I've been thinking about getting a Costco membership and shopping there on occasion only for the fact that they treat their people well.  I wish Wegman's were closer to me too.


Honestly, you should shop at Costco because it's amazing. Their store-brand food is actually really good, their prices are amazing (including on stuff like TVs), and even their cake decorators are competent. Some of their stores even have eyeglass shops and printer-ink refills available (fill two ink cartridges and you've paid for the membership right there, seriously). They are good to both their employees AND their customers. The only good reason not to shop there, if there's one around, is not having the storage space/car for large quantities, and even then, there are some good deals in the pharmacy and electronics areas.

Jument: The outrage is misplaced. The food drive is for employees who have undergone hardship, like if a family member has been laid off. The snerky answer of "like working at Walmart" has a disturbing grain of truth but the actual story here is ok IMHO.

Walmart is capitalism. If people don't like the basic premise of Walmart, they should shop elsewhere. Of course, voting with your $$$ can only be so effective in a country with such a disturbingly whacked distribution of weath but again, capitalism. If you don't like it, move to a more social country. Like, for example, basically every first world nation other than the USA.

The USA is unique in the first world in many ways. Almost all of them negative (IMHO).


Because moving to another country is cheap, and getting a work visa is super easy when you aren't already a big shot, or at least a successful creative/tech person...
 
2013-11-18 07:28:01 PM  

ornithopter: Carn: d23: Carn: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.

I would patronize costco if there was one near me.

Secondly, Sam's Club is basically the same store, so that doesn't make much sense.

I've been thinking about getting a Costco membership and shopping there on occasion only for the fact that they treat their people well.  I wish Wegman's were closer to me too.

Honestly, you should shop at Costco because it's amazing. Their store-brand food is actually really good, their prices are amazing (including on stuff like TVs), and even their cake decorators are competent. Some of their stores even have eyeglass shops and printer-ink refills available (fill two ink cartridges and you've paid for the membership right there, seriously). They are good to both their employees AND their customers. The only good reason not to shop there, if there's one around, is not having the storage space/car for large quantities, and even then, there are some good deals in the pharmacy and electronics areas.


Be careful with Costco. I don't know your political leanings but Costco does prosecute shoplifters.
 
2013-11-18 07:42:28 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: whidbey: Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.

That's the rub. It's easier just to look down and dispense free advice, I suppose.

I did it... can I dispense free advice?

Learn a trade... show up on time... work hard. It's not that hard.

Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.


Yes, they do. But those jobs are not "OJT, fresh outta high school" gigs where some old dude teaches you the trade. They require formal training, expensive certs and YEARS of apprenticeship before they can even become Journeymen.

Here's a brief list of  the requirements for becoming an electrician in Washington State. BTW, that "2,000 hours of work experience" mentioned is "2,000 hours of paid, contracted work," so if you want to rack up hours, you'll have to travel out of town/state to get that work. At your own expense, of course. And there's a lot of rather complicated math involved in those tests, too.

/Have a friend in WA who's still working on her Journeyman in Commercial Electric after five years. Businesses aren't getting built, so it's hard to find paying gigs.
 
2013-11-18 07:59:51 PM  

FinFangFark: Grand_Moff_Joseph: cynicalminion: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I can't wait to see one of the Walton kids be flown to this store in their Sikorsky S-76C, land in the parking lot, have a Maybach take them from the chopper to the front door, get out of the car with a single expired can of pumpkin mix...and throw it at the manager who came up with this idea before firing him.

Sam's Choice brand, of course.  and it was probably pulled from the Grocery department return cart, which has been sitting behind the customer service desk all day with now spoiled milk and meat products in it.

don't joke about that.  it's true... oh, and don't forget all the cleaning products that get tossed in the grocery returns because that's where they're kept.

I'm not joking, trust me.  I worked at Fail-mart when I was in college.  The return carts are the pit of hell.

I don't know how long ago that was...but I remember reading somewhere that something like nearly a quarter of all of Walmart employees quality for welfare.  I know there are several mitigating factors that come in to play with that.  But when the majority of the Walmart break rooms have postings from their HR departments on how to apply for welfare...there's just something so wrong with that.


Wal-Mart isn't the only one doing it.  There was a story recently where a woman who had been working for McDonalds for something like 10 years decided to call a 'help line' that was provided by the franchise.  The so-called help given was that she should apply for food stamps and Medicaid if she needed food and medical care.

So, there's plenty of hate to go around when it comes to mistreating employees at minimum wage jobs, and how those companies are relying on the rest of the country to subsidize their employees with food stamps and Medicaid instead of them paying decent wages and going along with the ACA.
 
2013-11-18 08:03:42 PM  
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2013-11-18 08:08:45 PM  

WordyGrrl: Pray 4 Mojo: whidbey: Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.

That's the rub. It's easier just to look down and dispense free advice, I suppose.

I did it... can I dispense free advice?

Learn a trade... show up on time... work hard. It's not that hard.

Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.

Yes, they do. But those jobs are not "OJT, fresh outta high school" gigs where some old dude teaches you the trade. They require formal training, expensive certs and YEARS of apprenticeship before they can even become Journeymen.

Here's a brief list of  the requirements for becoming an electrician in Washington State. BTW, that "2,000 hours of work experience" mentioned is "2,000 hours of paid, contracted work," so if you want to rack up hours, you'll have to travel out of town/state to get that work. At your own expense, of course. And there's a lot of rather complicated math involved in those tests, too.

/Have a friend in WA who's still working on her Journeyman in Commercial Electric after five years. Businesses aren't getting built, so it's hard to find paying gigs.


I didn't say they were "out of high school" jobs. While it does take thousands of hours of "experience"... you are paid a decent wage to be an apprentice (they make $12-20 an hour IME) while you get that experience.

The need to travel at your own expense... don't really get that. I travel about 14 western States for work and hear the same thing from every local sub-contractor. They simply can't find enough good, entry-level guys. There's work out there. Only thing I can think of is that Washington is a bit of a special case because of the STRONG Union influence (Seattle especially). It could be hard to break into the trades there trying to get through the certifications AND the Union stuff.

I tell any kid that asks me to forget about college and get a welding certification... assuming they have an interest in it. One kid that listened to me (son of a friend) finished his Cert and is making $80k + benes as a 24 year old kid. That's the rule... not the exception.

My point was... it's been drilled into our culture and our youth that you MUST go to college if you want to make money/be successful. That's simply not true.
 
2013-11-18 08:13:38 PM  
If the employees who are going to benefit from this aren't turning around and stealing food from the store anyway they're doing something wrong.
 
2013-11-18 08:16:02 PM  

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


All minimum wage does is define at what level of productivity someone is employable. Those below that skill level are just destined for welfare if they don't find a way to acquire skills that make them worth the minimum wage.

jake_lex: And we need to slash spending on food stamp programs and keep corporate taxes low becuase, once again, socialism.


Food stamp benefits are increasing at a faster rate than social security benefits.  But what are food stamps in this case but a way to push corporate labor costs on to the taxpayer?

The questions we should be asking are with regards to what the government has done with its interventions and monetary policy that has turned retail work into what it is today.

If Walmart really paid so poorly they would constantly lose experienced employees to Target, Home Depot, Lowes, Kmart, and so on and so forth. Odds are Walmart is paying pretty close to a market rate. Why is the market rate low? Because there are too many people who need jobs perhaps. Why do these wages buy so little? Perhaps the last decade plus of money creation might have something to do with it. What happened to better paying low skill jobs making things? Off to other countries to export the inflation.  Why do so many people need jobs? Maybe because they don't have skills. The paths to skilled labor being largely cut off in the last few decades in favor of college for everyone. Maybe because it's too difficult to make your own job in this country today too. Why is it difficult? Because government, banks, and it's other corporate partners have put up barriers to entry.  We have an interventionist, fascist (corporatist) economy for the most part and that's the root cause.

This story is a symptom, not a cause. It's easy to hate on Walmart. But more difficult to look at how and why things got this way. We need to get back to a place where people were freer to pursue their economic self interest. To cast aside these fascist 1930s ideas of efficient economies and the like and their predecessors that worked over time to restrict the economic opportunities of the people. If working at the local Walmart was just a first job people graduated from, what they paid wouldn't matter much.

BTW, mass retail work always paid crappily. Even the union wages I made back in the 80s were crappy.
 
2013-11-18 08:26:06 PM  
 Would it be illegal for me to advise people ( not do it myself ) of how to make the largest economic impact from property destruction to its highest form as a form of social protest?  I used to work in a grocery store and could do about 10K in damage in about 5 minutes without being caught.
 
2013-11-18 08:32:50 PM  

TiredWings: Would it be illegal for me to advise people ( not do it myself ) of how to make the largest economic impact from property destruction to its highest form as a form of social protest?  I used to work in a grocery store and could do about 10K in damage in about 5 minutes without being caught.


Being a douche-bag is not illegal.
 
2013-11-18 08:33:29 PM  

TiredWings: Would it be illegal for me to advise people ( not do it myself ) of how to make the largest economic impact from property destruction to its highest form as a form of social protest?  I used to work in a grocery store and could do about 10K in damage in about 5 minutes without being caught.


Ha! Hordes of tweekers are way ahead of you though.
 
2013-11-18 08:39:30 PM  

WordyGrrl: Yes, they do. But those jobs are not "OJT, fresh outta high school" gigs where some old dude teaches you the trade. They require formal training, expensive certs and YEARS of apprenticeship before they can even become Journeymen.


That's because we live in an interventionist economy where high schools have dropped shop classes. Where goverments, unions, and other institutions for decades sought to limit access to new comers to drive up the wages of old timers.  Learning the trades isn't difficult. Much of it can be self taught, but self taught people are largely illegal to hire. Got to have licenses, union memberships, etc and so on and so forth. There are minimum wages that are set by union contracts and laws (wrt government contracts) and the like that make a new guy who taught himself the basics way too expensive to hire. So he can't get that first job to build his skills further.

So what's a person to do when he cannot afford to even get in the club?  He ends up working for a big box store trying to scrape the coin together to get into the club or he just gives up.
 
2013-11-18 08:42:11 PM  

TiredWings: Would it be illegal for me to advise people ( not do it myself ) of how to make the largest economic impact from property destruction to its highest form as a form of social protest?  I used to work in a grocery store and could do about 10K in damage in about 5 minutes without being caught.


Five minutes? Not creative enough.

Nothing worse for a grocery store than vermin. They'll do their work over time.
 
2013-11-18 08:47:40 PM  

mikeray: ornithopter: Carn: d23: Carn: abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.

Yeah go earn $7.25 at some other hellhole like Sam's Club or Target or Best Buy.  That'll solve all your problems.

I would patronize costco if there was one near me.

Secondly, Sam's Club is basically the same store, so that doesn't make much sense.

I've been thinking about getting a Costco membership and shopping there on occasion only for the fact that they treat their people well.  I wish Wegman's were closer to me too.

Honestly, you should shop at Costco because it's amazing. Their store-brand food is actually really good, their prices are amazing (including on stuff like TVs), and even their cake decorators are competent. Some of their stores even have eyeglass shops and printer-ink refills available (fill two ink cartridges and you've paid for the membership right there, seriously). They are good to both their employees AND their customers. The only good reason not to shop there, if there's one around, is not having the storage space/car for large quantities, and even then, there are some good deals in the pharmacy and electronics areas.

Be careful with Costco. I don't know your political leanings but Costco does prosecute shoplifters.


What's that got to do with political leanings? I wasn't aware there's a political party that says theft is acceptable. About the only people I know who have a problem with places prosecuting shoplifters are.... dun dun dun.... shoplifters.

And I mean... shoplifting at Costco? really? Even the pharmacy stuff has big heavy cardboard backings. Everything else is in giant bags/boxes. What are you gonna take, extra free samples?
 
2013-11-18 08:55:43 PM  

cman: monoski: Thanks Obama.

//107 posts and I am first to blame Fartbongo.

Sometimes there are things that are just so wrong that we even cman can see clearly without any bullshiat who is at fault. Partisan politics can be put aside for a few things.

This is one of those times.

This is complete horse shiat. What Walmart is doing is completely disgraceful.


/all in good fun  cman
//well mostly
 
2013-11-18 08:57:17 PM  
Of course they're evil. They bought out Weyland-Yutani.
 
2013-11-18 09:06:19 PM  
leadmetal:  Why is the market rate low?

it couldn't be because Walmart is the largest low wage employer in the country, can undercut their smaller competitors putting them out of their business and so can pretty much pay anything they want.

I do agree that the whole problem has in no small part been caused by a failure of monetary policy and ineffective regulation but the answer is not no regulation but better regulation and setting the minimum wage at a livable wage would be a much needed transfer of wealth to the bottom of the economic ladder.
 
2013-11-18 09:26:06 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: WordyGrrl: Pray 4 Mojo: whidbey: Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.

That's the rub. It's easier just to look down and dispense free advice, I suppose.

I did it... can I dispense free advice?

Learn a trade... show up on time... work hard. It's not that hard.

Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.

Yes, they do. But those jobs are not "OJT, fresh outta high school" gigs where some old dude teaches you the trade. They require formal training, expensive certs and YEARS of apprenticeship before they can even become Journeymen.

Here's a brief list of  the requirements for becoming an electrician in Washington State. BTW, that "2,000 hours of work experience" mentioned is "2,000 hours of paid, contracted work," so if you want to rack up hours, you'll have to travel out of town/state to get that work. At your own expense, of course. And there's a lot of rather complicated math involved in those tests, too.

/Have a friend in WA who's still working on her Journeyman in Commercial Electric after five years. Businesses aren't getting built, so it's hard to find paying gigs.

I didn't say they were "out of high school" jobs. While it does take thousands of hours of "experience"... you are paid a decent wage to be an apprentice (they make $12-20 an hour IME) while you get that experience.

The need to travel at your own expense... don't really get that. I travel about 14 western States for work and hear the same thing from every local sub-contractor. They simply can't find enough good, entry-level guys. There's work out there. Only thing I can think of is that Washington is a bit of a special case because of the STRONG Union influence (Seattle especially). It could be hard to break into the trades there trying to get through the certifications AND the Union stuff.

I tell any kid that asks me to forget about college and get a welding certification... assuming they have an interest in it. On ...


Agreed. There are jobs, like welding, out there that pay a decent wage. I work for a large foundry that also CNC's and welds and we are always hiring. $20/hour to start. I see 20 year olds come and go more now than ever. They're too good for this type of work.
 
2013-11-18 09:27:00 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: My point was... it's been drilled into our culture and our youth that you MUST go to college if you want to make money/be successful. That's simply not true.


Well that I agree with. The only reason anyone should seek higher education is to become knowledgeable about a subject or subjects for personal benefit. Yes, that could include business management.

And no, you can't learn everything off Wikipedia.
 
2013-11-18 09:28:53 PM  

mongbiohazard: This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

[...]

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have less ability to repay then they would have had in the past. The only folks who benefit from this system are the money changers who run the debt industry.


This is not new. See the concept of "Company Store", from the song "Sixteen Tons": "According to Travis, the line from the chorus, "another day older and deeper in debt", was a phrase often used by his father, a coal miner himself.[5] This and the line, "I owe my soul to the company store", is a reference to the truck system and to debt bondage. Under this scrip system, workers were not paid cash; rather they were paid with non-transferable credit vouchers which could be exchanged only for goods sold at the company store. This made it impossible for workers to store up cash savings. Workers also usually lived in company-owned dormitories or houses, the rent for which was automatically deducted from their pay. In the United States the truck system and associated debt bondage persisted until the strikes of the newly formed United Mine Workers and affiliated unions forced an end to such practices." -- Wikipedia

Back to the future.
 
2013-11-18 09:53:17 PM  

Voiceofreason01: leadmetal:  Why is the market rate low?

it couldn't be because Walmart is the largest low wage employer in the country, can undercut their smaller competitors putting them out of their business and so can pretty much pay anything they want.

I do agree that the whole problem has in no small part been caused by a failure of monetary policy and ineffective regulation but the answer is not no regulation but better regulation and setting the minimum wage at a livable wage would be a much needed transfer of wealth to the bottom of the economic ladder.


Walmart has to compete with various other retail giants for labor, which last I heard are alive and well. The exception would be Walmart's traditional small town locations where the other giants aren't. Now maybe a couple dozen people could have made slightly more working ma and pa but in the end the problem is a lack of economic opportunity, not the lack of smaller retail stores. There would be quite literally no where else to work and little hope of working for one's self in today's economy. It's not like the old days where someone could just start a factory making something in small town USA and would struggle just trying to be a plumber.

All increasing the wage by government fiat does is marginally improve things for the people worth that wage by getting rid of competition for the same jobs. It doesn't solve the problem and creates others. Setting the minimum wage higher just knocks more people off the bottom of the ladder to subsist entirely on welfare. A person has to have a productive value as high or higher than the wage or there is no job. When such people have jobs it is either government or union contract or both but we know how that turns out financially and it isn't good. What needs to be addressed are the barriers and conditions that stifle people, that cause them to end up working for a Walmart instead of doing something else.

Regulation and minimum wages and all the rest are politically done to benefit some people at a cost to others. That's how this mess came about. More of it won't make things better. Sure we can have more regulation, then Walmart can have government seal it as top of the heap. Because now someone can't come in with the next innovation and undercut them. You'll get people working for higher wages at Walmart and the rest, but the market will be theirs' forever.
 
2013-11-18 10:03:25 PM  

Spaghetti Eatin' Goombah: Why not get some of your fellow Walmart employees to assemble a systematic way to shoplift from their store.  Maybe you bring 12 items to the check out counter but your buddy only effectively scans 9 items. Or you get the loss prevention lead to reboot security cameras thereby shutting them down for a 5 minute "predetermined" time and suddenly the back door is a flurry of activity.  You see, this way Walmart helps its own, but doesn't actually know it and subsequently doesn't try to exploit their  generosity.

Huh? Huh? Genius right?

/maybe not, but Fark Walmart


This is already a big thing, or was at my mother's K-Mart 20 years ago.
 
2013-11-18 10:08:39 PM  

Koodz: Spaghetti Eatin' Goombah: Why not get some of your fellow Walmart employees to assemble a systematic way to shoplift from their store.  Maybe you bring 12 items to the check out counter but your buddy only effectively scans 9 items. Or you get the loss prevention lead to reboot security cameras thereby shutting them down for a 5 minute "predetermined" time and suddenly the back door is a flurry of activity.  You see, this way Walmart helps its own, but doesn't actually know it and subsequently doesn't try to exploit their  generosity.

Huh? Huh? Genius right?

/maybe not, but Fark Walmart

This is already a big thing, or was at my mother's K-Mart 20 years ago.


The keywords being "20 years ago." I'm guessing that if there's anything the Waltons have sunk their billions into, it would be advanced security to protect their assets.
 
2013-11-18 10:08:59 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: WordyGrrl: Pray 4 Mojo: whidbey: Everybody should spend some time trying to get by as an 'unskilled' worker.

That's the rub. It's easier just to look down and dispense free advice, I suppose.

I did it... can I dispense free advice?

Learn a trade... show up on time... work hard. It's not that hard.

Welders and electricians are in very high demand... and make a comfortable living.

Yes, they do. But those jobs are not "OJT, fresh outta high school" gigs where some old dude teaches you the trade. They require formal training, expensive certs and YEARS of apprenticeship before they can even become Journeymen.

Here's a brief list of  the requirements for becoming an electrician in Washington State. BTW, that "2,000 hours of work experience" mentioned is "2,000 hours of paid, contracted work," so if you want to rack up hours, you'll have to travel out of town/state to get that work. At your own expense, of course. And there's a lot of rather complicated math involved in those tests, too.

/Have a friend in WA who's still working on her Journeyman in Commercial Electric after five years. Businesses aren't getting built, so it's hard to find paying gigs.

I didn't say they were "out of high school" jobs. While it does take thousands of hours of "experience"... you are paid a decent wage to be an apprentice (they make $12-20 an hour IME) while you get that experience.

The need to travel at your own expense... don't really get that. I travel about 14 western States for work and hear the same thing from every local sub-contractor. They simply can't find enough good, entry-level guys. There's work out there. Only thing I can think of is that Washington is a bit of a special case because of the STRONG Union influence (Seattle especially). It could be hard to break into the trades there trying to get through the certifications AND the Union stuff.

I tell any kid that asks me to forget about college and get a welding certification... assuming they have an interest in it. On ...


Oh, I get your point. It's just that I get a little tired of so many people (not you, but others) recommending trade school while implying that it's faster and/or cheaper than college when it definitely isn't in a lot of cases. As for the Union thing, my friend is a Union electrician, but she says there's really not as much competition going on between Union and non-Union electricians (around the Seattle-area) as you'd expect. But that just may be because she specializes in commercial (huge volts and amps) electrical and not residential.
 
2013-11-18 10:15:57 PM  

BigOle8point: I see 20 year olds come and go more now than ever. They're too good for this type of work.


I didn't want to be "that old guy" and say this... but... yeah... totally.

An apprentice, commercial electrician is going to spend most of his/her first year married to a shovel. It sucks and it's hard work. I see kids come and go constantly.
 
2013-11-18 10:19:14 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: BigOle8point: I see 20 year olds come and go more now than ever. They're too good for this type of work.

I didn't want to be "that old guy" and say this... but... yeah... totally.

An apprentice, commercial electrician is going to spend most of his/her first year married to a shovel. It sucks and it's hard work. I see kids come and go constantly.


What does electrical wiring have to do with a shovel? Is this one of those "Call before you dig" type things?
 
2013-11-18 10:30:14 PM  
 
2013-11-18 10:33:31 PM  

whidbey: Koodz: Spaghetti Eatin' Goombah: Why not get some of your fellow Walmart employees to assemble a systematic way to shoplift from their store.  Maybe you bring 12 items to the check out counter but your buddy only effectively scans 9 items. Or you get the loss prevention lead to reboot security cameras thereby shutting them down for a 5 minute "predetermined" time and suddenly the back door is a flurry of activity.  You see, this way Walmart helps its own, but doesn't actually know it and subsequently doesn't try to exploit their  generosity.

Huh? Huh? Genius right?

/maybe not, but Fark Walmart

This is already a big thing, or was at my mother's K-Mart 20 years ago.

The keywords being "20 years ago." I'm guessing that if there's anything the Waltons have sunk their billions into, it would be advanced security to protect their assets.


I suspect that the concept of an arms race applies to more than war.

/The Red Queen, she be steady runnin'
 
2013-11-18 10:33:54 PM  

WordyGrrl: Oh, I get your point. It's just that I get a little tired of so many people (not you, but others) recommending trade school while implying that it's faster and/or cheaper than college when it definitely isn't in a lot of cases. As for the Union thing, my friend is a Union electrician, but she says there's really not as much competition going on between Union and non-Union electricians (around the Seattle-area) as you'd expect. But that just may be because she specializes in commercial (huge volts and amps) electrical and not residential.


Getting in the trades is generally much cheaper than a 4 year college... unless you are stupid enough to go to a school that advertises on day-time TV. Put your time in, get your 100ish hours of classroom time at a cost of (about) $5k... and take a prep class. IIRC... the Union pays for or provides low cost schooling as well...

But faster? Nope. I would guess it's probably 6 or 7 years (at least) from the day you first put on your work boots before you're making a decent wage.

Definitely see your point though.

As far as the Union thing... Seattle and most of the metro area is absolutely locked down by the Unions... that's why there's no competition for commercial work by non-union shops.Not sure where the border of the Union jurisdiction is... but I build TI and small box retail... and I've worked all over Washington. Near Seattle it's all Union... and anywhere else (Federal Way, Chehalis, Puyallup) the jobs get picketed. : )
 
2013-11-18 10:36:16 PM  
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2013-11-18 10:41:20 PM  
Seriously, how does Walmart expect their workers to be able to afford to help each other out?

Say an average store employs roughly 400 people. Even if just 50 of those workers need food help, with an average family size of 4 (just pulling these numbers out of my ass but they can't be too far off), that's 200 people. For one day, or even one meal.

Yeah, this isn't going to help much.
 
2013-11-18 10:41:39 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: As far as the Union thing... Seattle and most of the metro area is absolutely locked down by the Unions... that's why there's no competition for commercial work by non-union shops.Not sure where the border of the Union jurisdiction is... but I build TI and small box retail... and I've worked all over Washington. Near Seattle it's all Union... and anywhere else (Federal Way, Chehalis, Puyallup) the jobs get picketed. : )


tha HORROR.
 
2013-11-18 10:47:32 PM  

whidbey: Pray 4 Mojo: BigOle8point: I see 20 year olds come and go more now than ever. They're too good for this type of work.

I didn't want to be "that old guy" and say this... but... yeah... totally.

An apprentice, commercial electrician is going to spend most of his/her first year married to a shovel. It sucks and it's hard work. I see kids come and go constantly.

What does electrical wiring have to do with a shovel? Is this one of those "Call before you dig" type things?


Overhead high voltage power service is generally not allowed anymore (thanks tweekers)... so everything outside and as much as possible inside (it's cheaper under than over) is run in the ground. That's a lot of digging.
 
2013-11-18 10:56:54 PM  

mongbiohazard: This is a part of a problem which affects us all. It's well past the time where we need to have a serious national discussion about this subsidy we give to companies like this. Companies which we know pay their workers so little that they need to be on public assistance to feed their families. It means all of us paying taxes are subsidizing the big piles of wealth that the executives of these companies are amassing. You and I are effectively paying the CEO of Walmart even though we may never buy a single product from them in our lives, and their rank and file employees suffer at the same time.

So it isn't enough to just not shop there. Every taxpayer is supporting this usurious system.

The destruction of the wages and wealth of the majority of Americans over the last few decades - so a favored very few can amass grotesque amounts of wealth at everyone else's expense - is a huge problem and I don't mean morally. It's a problem because it weakens our economy in general. It slows economic recovery, and hurts the job market. It's a serious threat to the country.

Our economy runs on consumption. The poorer the consumers are, the slower and weaker our economy is going to get. Our economic strength in the past relied in no small part on the vast wealth that the American system had created and distributed among the majority of the citizens, allowing for a vibrant and healthy economy. Now that wages and wealth are on the decline for the lower and middle classes not only do we have less capital to trade back and forth supporting each other, but the less capital we have means it's harder for the next small business to be created by that enterprising fellow in his garage... which impacts the creative destruction a system like ours needs.

Now instead of saving up money to start that new business which will one day supplant a current industry leader an enterprising person must instead take on debt - debt to which the wage/wealth destruction means they will have less ability t ...


Great post all around, but still: THIS.
 
2013-11-18 11:32:37 PM  

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


The belligerent and blatant ignorance of people like you isn't even amusing anymore.

It's insulting to the people of this nation as a whole and a wholesale conviction on education.

People like you are a large part of the problem yet your level of ignorance is so high that it bars you from even realizing it.
 
2013-11-19 12:28:31 AM  
I try not to shop at Wal-Mart.

They don't have a good selection of electronics or computer hardware or software, so that's out.

Their clothes are low quality, and feel as though they are cut out to fit on a cardboard cutout of a person.

The food, when name brand, is cheaper, but most of their stuff is off-brand or in-house brand, and it's terrible.

The staff don't give a shiat about you, and I don't blame them one bit. I am in the same boat as most of them; making too little when life costs too much.

A lot of the time you encounter shiatty, uncouth people who just don't care enough about themselves or others to dress appropriately. e.g. shirt that covers ampleness, pretty much everything at peopleofwalmart...

For essentials such as underwear, t-shirts, socks, etc., I shop at one of several smaller, local chains. For electronics I order online. Other clothes I'll get at a thrift shop. Big chains don't service my consumer needs to my satisfaction, so, it's easy to avoid them. Wal-mart is just the worst offender.
 
2013-11-19 01:42:58 AM  
I'm just plain farking sad now.  Cause you know people are going to get fired and corporate is going to ban doing anything to help those poor farkers.  Meanwhile the machine will continue to roll ever forward crushing souls and devouring government money.  AND NO GOOD WILL COME OUT OF THIS AT ALL, just more awfulness.

And I'm a gun loving, get the gov't out of my life type dude.
 
2013-11-19 01:45:20 AM  

leadmetal: Voiceofreason01: leadmetal:  Why is the market rate low?

it couldn't be because Walmart is the largest low wage employer in the country, can undercut their smaller competitors putting them out of their business and so can pretty much pay anything they want.

I do agree that the whole problem has in no small part been caused by a failure of monetary policy and ineffective regulation but the answer is not no regulation but better regulation and setting the minimum wage at a livable wage would be a much needed transfer of wealth to the bottom of the economic ladder.

Walmart has to compete with various other retail giants for labor, which last I heard are alive and well. The exception would be Walmart's traditional small town locations where the other giants aren't. Now maybe a couple dozen people could have made slightly more working ma and pa but in the end the problem is a lack of economic opportunity, not the lack of smaller retail stores. There would be quite literally no where else to work and little hope of working for one's self in today's economy. It's not like the old days where someone could just start a factory making something in small town USA and would struggle just trying to be a plumber.

All increasing the wage by government fiat does is marginally improve things for the people worth that wage by getting rid of competition for the same jobs. It doesn't solve the problem and creates others. Setting the minimum wage higher just knocks more people off the bottom of the ladder to subsist entirely on welfare. A person has to have a productive value as high or higher than the wage or there is no job. When such people have jobs it is either government or union contract or both but we know how that turns out financially and it isn't good. What needs to be addressed are the barriers and conditions that stifle people, that cause them to end up working for a Walmart instead of doing something else.

Regulation and minimum wages and all the rest are politically ...


Then how would we explain the thousands and thousands of small businesses in every city and town in the EU, where wages are astronomical compared to us, AND were set by government rule and/or union contracting?
 
2013-11-19 01:59:05 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Then how would we explain the thousands and thousands of small businesses in every city and town in the EU, where wages are astronomical compared to us, AND were set by government rule and/or union contracting?


B-But they pay HIGHER TAXES OH GOD
 
2013-11-19 02:05:43 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Then how would we explain the thousands and thousands of small businesses in every city and town in the EU, where wages are astronomical compared to us, AND were set by government rule and/or union contracting?


Mexicans.
 
2013-11-19 02:09:00 AM  

sufferpuppet: oing thousands into debt with no marketable skills to show for it is a poor choice.


Thing is, what is a marketable skill? And why should everyone just have one? What happened to employers training people? The second you discourage anyone from studying whatever it is they really want to study and instead bring up gaining money, you have engaged in anti-intellectualism.
 
2013-11-19 04:10:56 AM  
Again, why are our lawmakers not like lawmakers of other countries who have common sense? When Wal-mart came into Europe and tried it's shiat, most European countries enacted laws that require if you make X level of profit, you are required to provide Y level of pay/benefit to your workers. It's just fugging common sense to do this otherwise you end up where we are now, companies who are utterly ignoring their social contracts with society just for more and more profit which does nothing but sit around in a bank for perpetuity anyways. Why the blue hells are my tax dollars going to pay for some poor soul's health care and food stamps when they work for a company that made $15.7 billion last year and why is my government letting me get ripped off?!
 
2013-11-19 04:24:31 AM  

abhorrent1: FFS. I'm so sick of hearing people biatch about walmart. Get a different farking job then. It's not like retail jobs a rare and hard to get.


People like you are beyond my comprehension. You seem to lack even basic forethought or common sense.

Do you live in this country? Do you pay taxes? Do you not seem to comprehend that companies like Wal-mart who turn their work force into indentured servants who must leech off your government, YOU are literally paying for it in your already too damned high taxes? Do you not comprehend this simple, basic, obvious truth? Do you like getting mugged or ripped off? Do you not realize the longer this goes on, every company on the planet is going to look at this and copy-suit for more and more profit (and why the hell shouldn't they?)? Are you just blazingly, mind-numbingly stupid?

I can only conclude either your last name is "Walton," you work for the chinese government, or you don't work at all.
 
2013-11-19 06:21:38 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: BigOle8point: I see 20 year olds come and go more now than ever. They're too good for this type of work.

I didn't want to be "that old guy" and say this... but... yeah... totally.

An apprentice, commercial electrician is going to spend most of his/her first year married to a shovel. It sucks and it's hard work. I see kids come and go constantly.


So, you don't pay enough to keep them around. It's simple supply and demand. Raise their pay.
 
2013-11-19 08:26:15 AM  

Terrible Old Man: Why the blue hells are my tax dollars going to pay for some poor soul's health care and food stamps when they work for a company that made $15.7 billion last year and why is my government letting me get ripped off?!


The problem is most of those people have more expenses than a reasonable minimum wage can cover.  If a single person living a minimal lifestyle can't make it on Walmart pay, it's evidence that the minimum wage needs to be changed at the local level in that area.  If a single person can't raise 4 kids on Walmart pay, that's the government's responsibility to step in, not Walmart's.
Unless you want to give Walmart the discretion to hire and fire employees based on how many dependents they have.

Having different rules based on corporate profits seems like government overreach to me.  The same work shouldn't be worth more in two different organizations just because one of them is more efficient in some unrelated area and therefore makes more money.
It would also create lock in problems if somebody got used to the good pay at Walmart, started living accordingly, then the local Walmart got shut down.  Ideally that person should be able to go to a Target or similar store and do the same job, but now he might be making a fraction of what he made before.
 
2013-11-19 08:36:57 AM  

shirtsbyeric: Yeah, WalMart suck but they couldn't have done it without Hillary sitting on the Board of Directors while Bill signed all of the treaties to help them send our jobs to China but you will all still vote for her and continue to complain.


hahahahaha
 
2013-11-19 09:41:52 AM  

Voiceofreason01: But we can't raise the minimum wage "because socialism"


I`d say 'because  brainwashing'
 
2013-11-19 06:09:46 PM  

KeatingFive: Pray 4 Mojo: BigOle8point: I see 20 year olds come and go more now than ever. They're too good for this type of work.

I didn't want to be "that old guy" and say this... but... yeah... totally.

An apprentice, commercial electrician is going to spend most of his/her first year married to a shovel. It sucks and it's hard work. I see kids come and go constantly.

So, you don't pay enough to keep them around. It's simple supply and demand. Raise their pay.


Dear Ignorant Poster: Read my original post
 
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