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(Washington Times)   When, in the wake of Sandy Hook, we asked the government to step-up its mental health intervention efforts, we didn't mean it   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 73
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2013-11-18 12:22:25 PM
This "article" had so many "scare quotes" in it that I "question" the "sanity" of the very "people" who "wrote and edited" this "digital hemorrhoid" of "journalism."
 
2013-11-18 12:23:43 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: This "article" had so many "scare quotes" in it that I "question" the "sanity" of the very "people" who "wrote and edited" this "digital hemorrhoid" of "journalism."


Also, what I imagine the author to look like:
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-11-18 12:42:40 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: This "article" had so many "scare quotes" in it that I "question" the "sanity" of the very "people" who "wrote and edited" this "digital hemorrhoid" of "journalism."


Growing up, my conservative uncle read the Washington Times and my moderate father read the Washington Post. I asked him why he read the liberal paper and not the conservative one, and his reply was that the Times read like it was written by high school students while the Post read like it was written by someone who actually went to college.

Good to see the Times is sticking with tradition.
 
2013-11-18 12:46:16 PM

vygramul: Good to see the Times is sticking with tradition.


"I read the Times because it isn't completely absorbed into the Liberal media and 100% occupied with sucking the POTUS's dick."

That is an actual statement made in defense of the Times by an educated, intelligent friend that I love dearly.  Effectively: Terrible, amateurish journalism is better than anything I might disagree with.  SMH.
 
2013-11-18 12:49:50 PM
I wouldn't inflict the Washington Times on a puppy being housebroken.
 
2013-11-18 12:53:35 PM

factoryconnection: vygramul: Good to see the Times is sticking with tradition.

"I read the Times because it isn't completely absorbed into the Liberal media and 100% occupied with sucking the POTUS's dick."

That is an actual statement made in defense of the Times by an educated, intelligent friend that I love dearly.  Effectively: Terrible, amateurish journalism is better than anything I might disagree with.  SMH.


Does he watch 60 Minutes, or is their apology a turn-off?
 
2013-11-18 12:57:26 PM

vygramul: Does he watch 60 Minutes, or is their apology a turn-off?


I don't know; he and I haven't actually lived near each other in years so I can't chart his TV habits other than watching the Redskins.
 
2013-11-18 12:59:27 PM
Subby, what the hell does this loon's meaningless ramblings about a law signed by Bush in 2008 have to do with Sandy Hook? It was recently improved by Obama so this is just another thinly veiled jab at Obamacare. I bet this professional opinionist is just grumpy because he realized with mental health parity he's lost his last excuse for letting the symptoms go undiagnosed and untreated.
 
2013-11-18 01:10:35 PM
Did we? I remember the focus being on guns. I remember I did call for a renewed focus on mental health issues, but I'm a nobody on the other side of the internet. I really dont think I qualify as "we".
 
2013-11-18 01:10:47 PM

factoryconnection: vygramul: Does he watch 60 Minutes, or is their apology a turn-off?

I don't know; he and I haven't actually lived near each other in years so I can't chart his TV habits other than watching the Redskins.


Oh, so he's a racist, too? That explains it.

/I keed
 
2013-11-18 01:17:17 PM

violentsalvation: Subby, what the hell does this loon's meaningless ramblings about a law signed by Bush in 2008 have to do with Sandy Hook? It was recently improved by Obama so this is just another thinly veiled jab at Obamacare. I bet this professional opinionist is just grumpy because he realized with mental health parity he's lost his last excuse for letting the symptoms go undiagnosed and untreated.


When the Sandy Hook incident happened, the national dialog seemed in favor of improving access to mental health care. The idea was to get people help before they went on rampages and took a bunch of people with them.

The Obama administration is attempting do what everyone wanted December of last year. He's doing that by giving more precedence to the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act that Bush signed in 2008, which was meant to make health care providers take mental health issues just as seriously as physical ones.

So to recap: In the wake of a tragic incident last year, the focus was on giving better access to mental health care. One President (D) is doing what another President (R) set out to do. And now some people are saying that's tyrannical. And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that some of the detractors loved the idea 11 months ago.
 
2013-11-18 01:17:53 PM
I'm not clicking on the Moonie Times, so I'll just assume this is the latest in Republicans doing everything they can (up to an including shutting the government down and punching a hole in the world economy) to ensure that fewer people get access to medical treatment, and then proposing improved mental health services as a solution to a problem they don't actually care about.
 
2013-11-18 01:20:45 PM
If mental health providers diagnose mental illness, co-payments, deductibles and lifelong coverage will be comparable to those afforded patients with diagnosed genuine medical illnesses.

So, mental disorders are not "genuine?"

EABOD then DIAF you POS.
 
2013-11-18 01:21:15 PM
So you mean all of the cries of "we don't have a gun control problem in this country, we have a mental health problem in this country" weren't sincere? Color me shocked.
 
2013-11-18 01:22:57 PM
Richard E. Vatz, a professor at Towson University, is author of "The Only Authentic Book of Persuasion" (Kendall Hunt, 2013), the psychology editor of USA Today Magazine and an editor of Current Psychology.


Vatz?  The Yiddish word for bed bug!?


/that's vantz, weasel.
//That MASH episode.
 
2013-11-18 01:24:02 PM
Easy test, do the Times cross word puzzle and you see what vertical IQ market it's written to.
 
2013-11-18 01:24:56 PM
Article subtitle:  Do we want Obamacare deciding which child needs Attention Deficit meds - and picking up the tab?

Everyone:  Um... yes?  That's kind of 99% of the point of nationalizing health care standards.
 
2013-11-18 01:25:54 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I remember the focus being on guns. I remember I did call for a renewed focus on mental health issues


I think some people tried to shift the balance in favor of one more than the other, and it really depended on where those people sat in the political spectrum. But I do recall a great number of people talking about mental health care access, and how we need to begin treating these issues far more seriously than we've been.
 
2013-11-18 01:27:55 PM

Pocket Ninja: I wouldn't inflict the Washington Times on a puppy being housebroken.


How many greenlights did you get by submitting Washington Times articles?
 
2013-11-18 01:28:58 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Bareefer Obonghit: This "article" had so many "scare quotes" in it that I "question" the "sanity" of the very "people" who "wrote and edited" this "digital hemorrhoid" of "journalism."

Also, what I imagine the author to look like:
[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-18 01:29:24 PM

GreenAdder: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I remember the focus being on guns. I remember I did call for a renewed focus on mental health issues

I think some people tried to shift the balance in favor of one more than the other, and it really depended on where those people sat in the political spectrum. But I do recall a great number of people talking about mental health care access, and how we need to begin treating these issues far more seriously than we've been.


Doesn't the ACA mandate that health insurance policies must include mental health care? That's a huge boost to the availability of mental health services, and hopefully we'll see the dividends.
 
2013-11-18 01:29:34 PM
"Mental healthcare" is just Fartbamao's code phrase for "taking my guns."
 
2013-11-18 01:32:59 PM

GreenAdder: violentsalvation: Subby, what the hell does this loon's meaningless ramblings about a law signed by Bush in 2008 have to do with Sandy Hook? It was recently improved by Obama so this is just another thinly veiled jab at Obamacare. I bet this professional opinionist is just grumpy because he realized with mental health parity he's lost his last excuse for letting the symptoms go undiagnosed and untreated.

When the Sandy Hook incident happened, the national dialog seemed in favor of improving access to mental health care. The idea was to get people help before they went on rampages and took a bunch of people with them.

The Obama administration is attempting do what everyone wanted December of last year. He's doing that by giving more precedence to the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act that Bush signed in 2008, which was meant to make health care providers take mental health issues just as seriously as physical ones.

So to recap: In the wake of a tragic incident last year, the focus was on giving better access to mental health care. One President (D) is doing what another President (R) set out to do. And now some people are saying that's tyrannical. And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that some of the detractors loved the idea 11 months ago.


There will always be those people, but this guy is ranting about government involvement in diagnoses and treatment for disorders he doesn't believe exist. He is a Jenny McCarthy of the mental heathcare world, and his post -Sandy Hook beliefs are probably more truther than birther.
 
2013-11-18 01:33:18 PM

Cagey B: I'm not clicking on the Moonie Times, so I'll just assume this is the latest in Republicans doing everything they can (up to an including shutting the government down and punching a hole in the world economy) to ensure that fewer people get access to medical treatment, and then proposing improved mental health services as a solution to a problem they don't actually care about.


That's what I would assume too.

>01 REALITY: *disaster happens involving X, people suffer*
>02 DEM: "X is hurting people. We need to regulate X."
>03 GOP: "TYRANNY!!! SOCIALISM!!!! DON'T YOU FARKING TOUCH X! Y IS THE REAL PROBLEM, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT Y BECAUSE YOU WANT TO TAKE OUR X!11!1"
>04 DEM: "ALRIGHT, alright, whatever! Calm the hell down. I guess we'll just make some modest headway on Y instea--"
>05 GOP: "BLOCKED, FARK YOU."
>06 BASE: *cheers GOP*
>07 REALITY: *disaster happens again involving X, people suffer*
GOP: while(GOP_not_in_power) goto 03;

/dnrtfa
 
2013-11-18 01:36:11 PM
The mentally ill are fickle consumers but they are consumers. When they buy guns, boy do they ever buy guns. Lots of them. And thousands of rounds of ammunition. Knives, too. Swords, gas masks, body armor, video cameras for YouTube videos, etc.

In this economy, we need every potential consumer participating. What's a few school children compared to thousands of dollars in retail sales.
 
2013-11-18 01:38:01 PM

jaylectricity: Pocket Ninja: I wouldn't inflict the Washington Times on a puppy being housebroken.

How many greenlights did you get by submitting Washington Times articles?


Not one.
 
2013-11-18 01:45:19 PM
Do we want Obamacare deciding which child needs Attention Deficit meds - and picking up the tab?

Y-yes...?

Wait, is this a trick question?
 
2013-11-18 01:47:54 PM

Pocket Ninja: jaylectricity: Pocket Ninja: I wouldn't inflict the Washington Times on a puppy being housebroken.

How many greenlights did you get by submitting Washington Times articles?

Not one.


I find that hard to believe but you've never lied to me before.
 
2013-11-18 01:48:19 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Do we want Obamacare deciding which child needs Attention Deficit meds - and picking up the tab?

Y-yes...?

Wait, is this a trick question?


Ha, gotcha, you slimy libbo! You just admitted that Obamacare has become sentient JUST LIKE WE FEARED IT WOULD!
 
2013-11-18 01:49:03 PM
Do we want Obamacare deciding which children need mental health care and stopping them from voting Republican?
 
2013-11-18 01:53:09 PM
The gun lobby's claims that we should focus exclusively on keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill would carry incrementally more weight if they didn't lobby exclusively against every single bill that tries to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.
 
2013-11-18 01:54:08 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Do we want Obamacare deciding which children need mental health care and stopping them from voting Republican?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-18 01:54:39 PM
Not a very surprising article.  The author is a Scientologist shill whos mentor has ties to CCHR.
 
2013-11-18 01:54:52 PM
Isn't liberalism a mental disorder? Shouldn't conservatives by for this sort of thing then?
 
2013-11-18 01:55:55 PM
Right Wingers: The problem is not with guns, the problem is with the mentally ill.

Sane People: So then can we make it so that mentally ill people can't have easy access to guns?

Right Wingers:  NO!

Sane People:  So how about we focus on helping the mentally ill become better.

Right Wingers:  Yeah, we don't like that either!
 
2013-11-18 01:58:06 PM
I love that the people who clamored for better mental health efforts in the wake of these repeated shootings have also stood in firm opposition to including mental health care as an essential health benefit all non-grandfathered health insurance plans must cover.
 
2013-11-18 02:00:47 PM
People need to understand that shifting the focus of the cause of these shootings onto mental illness was a deliberate attempt to make sure nothing changed.  You're supposed to acknowledge that mental healthcare is poor in this country, then throw your hands up and say, "hey, what can you do?  You can't cure crazy!"  That's been the plan the whole time.
 
2013-11-18 02:07:15 PM

GreenAdder: violentsalvation: Subby, what the hell does this loon's meaningless ramblings about a law signed by Bush in 2008 have to do with Sandy Hook? It was recently improved by Obama so this is just another thinly veiled jab at Obamacare. I bet this professional opinionist is just grumpy because he realized with mental health parity he's lost his last excuse for letting the symptoms go undiagnosed and untreated.

When the Sandy Hook incident happened, the national dialog seemed in favor of improving access to mental health care. The idea was to get people help before they went on rampages and took a bunch of people with them.

The Obama administration is attempting do what everyone wanted December of last year. He's doing that by giving more precedence to the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act that Bush signed in 2008, which was meant to make health care providers take mental health issues just as seriously as physical ones.

So to recap: In the wake of a tragic incident last year, the focus was on giving better access to mental health care. One President (D) is doing what another President (R) set out to do. And now some people are saying that's tyrannical. And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that some of the detractors loved the idea 11 months ago.


Has Boehner stepped up to declare that it'll stifle jerb-creation yet?
 
2013-11-18 02:10:04 PM

MrBallou: GreenAdder: violentsalvation: Subby, what the hell does this loon's meaningless ramblings about a law signed by Bush in 2008 have to do with Sandy Hook? It was recently improved by Obama so this is just another thinly veiled jab at Obamacare. I bet this professional opinionist is just grumpy because he realized with mental health parity he's lost his last excuse for letting the symptoms go undiagnosed and untreated.

When the Sandy Hook incident happened, the national dialog seemed in favor of improving access to mental health care. The idea was to get people help before they went on rampages and took a bunch of people with them.

The Obama administration is attempting do what everyone wanted December of last year. He's doing that by giving more precedence to the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act that Bush signed in 2008, which was meant to make health care providers take mental health issues just as seriously as physical ones.

So to recap: In the wake of a tragic incident last year, the focus was on giving better access to mental health care. One President (D) is doing what another President (R) set out to do. And now some people are saying that's tyrannical. And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that some of the detractors loved the idea 11 months ago.

Has Boehner stepped up to declare that it'll stifle jerb-creation yet?


Getting more patients into hospitals which require the hiring additional personnel to care for increased patient numbers will in fact hurt job creation. Because socialism.
 
2013-11-18 02:12:58 PM

Lionel Mandrake: If mental health providers diagnose mental illness, co-payments, deductibles and lifelong coverage will be comparable to those afforded patients with diagnosed genuine medical illnesses.

So, mental disorders are not "genuine?"

EABOD then DIAF you POS.


Y'know, for years I was misdiagnosed as bipolar/depressed when in fact I had narcolepsy. And I find it weird that narcolepsy is seen as more legit when mood disorders and
narcolepsy both go back to some significant hormone level being wrong in the brain. The only significant difference I can think of it that narcoleptics have brain damage in the hypothalamus visible during autopsy?

But I also deal with people insisting I must also be depressed because I struggle to take care of myself and don't want to be social. farkers. Let's see how social they are when they've gone a few days without sleep.
 
2013-11-18 02:15:19 PM
Hook has a sandy vag and Peter Pan is in for a rough time, again?
 
2013-11-18 02:16:08 PM

neversubmit: Hook has a sandy vag and Peter Pan is in for a rough time, again?


That's why I always get creamy over crunchy
 
2013-11-18 02:18:18 PM

doloresonthedottedline: But I also deal with people insisting I must also be depressed because I struggle to take care of myself and don't want to be social. farkers. Let's see how social they are when they've gone a few days without sleep.


In fairness, clinical depression is frequently a symptom of something else rather than something that occurs entirely on its own.  I'm not a psychiatrist, but it does seem at first glance that Narcolepsy might logically be one of the associated disorders.

Albeit I'd normally keep that to myself in casual conversation, since speculating about people's illnesses is rude, and rude is for the internet.
 
2013-11-18 02:18:55 PM
Of course we didn't. That was just to distract you from taking our guns.
 
2013-11-18 02:19:25 PM
Good thing we allow the mentally ill unfettered access to weaponry
 
2013-11-18 02:29:29 PM
hurr I'm not going to let the US government FORCE me to get health insurance durr
 
2013-11-18 02:51:21 PM
The hypocrisy in shifting the focus from gun control to mental healthcare while also opposing reforms to the mental healthcare system should make a sane person's head explode.

Which is probably the plan.
 
2013-11-18 03:20:52 PM
By the way, isn't this the same political party that decimated the mental health system in the 1980s?
 
2013-11-18 03:28:11 PM

Pocket Ninja: I wouldn't inflict the Washington Times on a puppy being housebroken.


I'd do an experiment to see if the puppy would pee on the Washington Times if it was on fire.  But I'm a cruel bastard like that.
 
2013-11-18 03:41:24 PM
M-O-O-N, that spells "mental health intervention".
 
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