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(Cinema Blend)   In a desperate bid to deflect blame for the PS4 hardware failures away from Sony, fans are now blaming (spins wheel) Foxconn employees for deliberately sabotaging the PS4 components during manufacture   (cinemablend.com ) divider line
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2013-11-18 09:00:36 AM  
It's new hardware, shiat happens.

Lest we all forget how many of us had to bake out Xboxs that first year they came out.
 
2013-11-18 09:02:31 AM  
I don't see what the big deal is.  Does it really matter if 5% of PS4's are suffering hardware failure?  The important thing is Sony is on pace to sell 5 million consoles by end of Q1 2014.
 
2013-11-18 09:03:06 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: It's new hardware, shiat happens.

Lest we all forget how many of us had to bake out Xboxs that first year they came out.


b..bu..but XBox!
 
2013-11-18 09:09:49 AM  

Lucky LaRue: I don't see what the big deal is.  Does it really matter if 5% of PS4's are suffering hardware failure?  The important thing is Sony is on pace to sell 5 million consoles by end of Q1 2014.


But if there is a significant hardware failure rate, then Sony has some BIG problems.
 
2013-11-18 09:12:27 AM  

Endive Wombat: Lucky LaRue: I don't see what the big deal is.  Does it really matter if 5% of PS4's are suffering hardware failure?  The important thing is Sony is on pace to sell 5 million consoles by end of Q1 2014.

But if there is a significant hardware failure rate, then Sony has some BIG problems.


I don't really know what the hardware failure rate is.  I am just stirring the pot, yo.
 
2013-11-18 09:13:42 AM  
I was on the fence about getting a PS4 or an Xbox One until I saw a demo of the Xbox One last week.  Incredible.  Truly incredible  That Sony has a seemingly significant issue with its builds only solidifies my thoughts on the matter.
 
2013-11-18 09:18:31 AM  

clancifer: I was on the fence about getting a PS4 or an Xbox One until I saw a demo of the Xbox One last week.  Incredible.  Truly incredible  That Sony has a seemingly significant issue with its builds only solidifies my thoughts on the matter.


Balmer-like typing detected!
 
2013-11-18 09:18:38 AM  
Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.
 
2013-11-18 09:19:40 AM  

clancifer: That Sony has a seemingly significant issue with its builds only solidifies my thoughts on the matter.


Okay, but I haven't seen any issues on my PS4 as of yet and it seems that the hardware failure is on a small percentage of systems in the wild.
 
2013-11-18 09:20:15 AM  

stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.


I dunno, maybe they have disposable income and don't give a fark.
 
2013-11-18 09:21:19 AM  
I'll just post this again for everyone's benefit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rIJmGj4g-s
 
2013-11-18 09:25:19 AM  

stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.


Not to mention the inevitable coming price drop. Early adopters of any consumer electronics are idiots.
 
2013-11-18 09:25:43 AM  

RexTalionis: stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.

I dunno, maybe they have disposable income and don't give a fark.


I had disposable income. Then I had kids. Later I bought a plane.

Funny how I don't have disposable income anymore.

/what the kids don't take
//the plane does
///snicker
 
2013-11-18 09:26:44 AM  

stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.


Pretty much this

...although Dead Rising 3 does look pretty farking bad ass. Not 500 dollars bad ass mind you, but it does look sweet.
 
2013-11-18 09:27:40 AM  

Tremolo: stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.

Not to mention the inevitable coming price drop. Early adopters of any consumer electronics are idiots.


Look, every new commodity will drop in price after a while. If this is your argument, then why would anyone buy new cars? They'd just all recycle the same used ones over and over. Remember, there wouldn't be a price drop unless somebody buys the first batch.
 
2013-11-18 09:28:39 AM  

inglixthemad: RexTalionis: stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.

I dunno, maybe they have disposable income and don't give a fark.

I had disposable income. Then I had kids. Later I bought a plane.

Funny how I don't have disposable income anymore.

/what the kids don't take
//the plane does
///snicker


You've got your hobbies, I have mine.
 
2013-11-18 09:33:04 AM  
If you purchased a $400 piece of equipment you should do everything in your power to recoup that if it has issues.  Launch hardware or not you are paying a premium to get it first and expecting consumers to not only pay more but accept high failure rates is unacceptable.  It wasn't OK when Microsoft did it and its not OK when Sony does it, fanboys be damned.
Personally I have been hanging back a generation ever since the PS2.  I find that not only do I get cheaper games but better, cheaper and more stable hardware.  The only people who really need to keep pace with the console generations are those that play online competitive games.  I'm more of a co-op and single player gamer.  Will probably pick up a PS3 on black friday if any store sells them super cheap.
 
2013-11-18 09:33:12 AM  
I don't know....

I'll be honest, i'm an xbox'er, but I hate MS and Win 8 with a passion. (yes apple fanboy here)

But the PS4 launch to me, went 'meh', and the xbox one was a lot more 'wow' you can do ALL that,

Trouble is my mates are 'gamers' and don't use their consoles for media...so if i'm buying anything i'm going to get bullied into filling sony's pockets..

But if i'm honest, i'm really thinking of sitting this one out...at 31, console gaming seems to just be boring.
 
2013-11-18 09:34:17 AM  

RexTalionis: Tremolo: stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.

Not to mention the inevitable coming price drop. Early adopters of any consumer electronics are idiots.

Look, every new commodity will drop in price after a while. If this is your argument, then why would anyone buy new cars? They'd just all recycle the same used ones over and over. Remember, there wouldn't be a price drop unless somebody buys the first batch.


I dunno, I think the price would drop pretty quickly if nobody was buying them.
 
2013-11-18 09:34:29 AM  
All new hardware will have a portion has technical difficulties.  Currently the hardware failure for the PS4 from what I have read is between 1 and 3% failure, OUT OF ONE MILLION SOLD IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS!!! So lets do the math really quick.  So 1 mil sold in the first 24 hours so lets say that since Friday 1.2 million have been sold. So between 12,000 and 36,000 bad PS4s out of 1.2 million.  That is minuscule for the amount of product already moved.  Let us not forget about the XBOX 360 RRoD that lead to a close to 30% hardware failure of all released XBOX 360's at the time that RRoD was a prevalent issue.  All this is, is the equivalent of political fear mongering, except for gamers and fanboys who hold allegiance to one certain console.

/owner of a PS4, PS3, PS2, XBOX 360, XBOX, Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, N64, SNES, NES, Colecovision, and gaming PC.
 
2013-11-18 09:36:15 AM  
Why would I want to spend hundreds of dollars on a game system that doesn't even come with a keyboard and mouse?
 
2013-11-18 09:38:15 AM  
 
2013-11-18 09:40:04 AM  

stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.


!) People with plenty of money who want something shiny on their selves for when the holiday parties come around and guest can go "ohh, you've got a XXXX". And maybe a game or two to show off your new system.

2) Spoiled children who insist they have the newest gadget and mommy waits in line for hours to buy it for them. See Tickle me Elmo and all the other "fads" that parents pay hundreds/thousands for each year.

3) Gaming nerds with disposable income.
 
2013-11-18 09:43:50 AM  

Tremolo: stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.

Not to mention the inevitable coming price drop. Early adopters of any consumer electronics are idiots. beta testers

 
2013-11-18 09:47:01 AM  

Phoenix19851: All new hardware will have a portion has technical difficulties.  Currently the hardware failure for the PS4 from what I have read is between 1 and 3% failure, OUT OF ONE MILLION SOLD IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS!!! So lets do the math really quick.  So 1 mil sold in the first 24 hours so lets say that since Friday 1.2 million have been sold. So between 12,000 and 36,000 bad PS4s out of 1.2 million.  That is minuscule for the amount of product already moved.  Let us not forget about the XBOX 360 RRoD that lead to a close to 30% hardware failure of all released XBOX 360's at the time that RRoD was a prevalent issue.  All this is, is the equivalent of political fear mongering, except for gamers and fanboys who hold allegiance to one certain console.

/owner of a PS4, PS3, PS2, XBOX 360, XBOX, Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, N64, SNES, NES, Colecovision, and gaming PC.


A couple of things you are overlooking is important though.

1) That 30% failure rate was the failure rate of the console over either 1 or 3 years (I can't remember which). The hypothetical PS4 failure rate that you throw out there of 1-3% OUT OF THE BOX. Those are two very, very different things. 1-3% out of the box does not bode well, as failure rates can only increase as the year goes on.

2) MS won many of its customers back by extending the 1 year warranty to three years, which cost them billions, which they funneled into the xbox division from MS other business activities that were making a profit. Cash strapped Sony cannot afford to do this, as most of its divisions are operating at a loss currently - if it turns out the PS4 does have design/manufacturing issues, it's going to be very, very bad news for Sony.
 
2013-11-18 09:47:07 AM  

RexTalionis: Tremolo: stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.

Not to mention the inevitable coming price drop. Early adopters of any consumer electronics are idiots.

Look, every new commodity will drop in price after a while. If this is your argument, then why would anyone buy new cars? They'd just all recycle the same used ones over and over. Remember, there wouldn't be a price drop unless somebody buys the first batch.


???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
 
2013-11-18 09:49:28 AM  

Phoenix19851: All new hardware will have a portion has technical difficulties.  Currently the hardware failure for the PS4 from what I have read is between 1 and 3% failure, OUT OF ONE MILLION SOLD IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS!!! So lets do the math really quick.  So 1 mil sold in the first 24 hours so lets say that since Friday 1.2 million have been sold. So between 12,000 and 36,000 bad PS4s out of 1.2 million.  That is minuscule for the amount of product already moved.  Let us not forget about the XBOX 360 RRoD that lead to a close to 30% hardware failure of all released XBOX 360's at the time that RRoD was a prevalent issue.  All this is, is the equivalent of political fear mongering, except for gamers and fanboys who hold allegiance to one certain console.

/owner of a PS4, PS3, PS2, XBOX 360, XBOX, Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, N64, SNES, NES, Colecovision, and gaming PC.


Hold it right there!  The last thing we need here is a well reasoned post.  This is about fauxrage and fanboi sniping and we will we have none of your logic in here good sir!
 
2013-11-18 09:49:37 AM  
Gah, I guess even Fark is a target for concern trolling marketing shams.
 
2013-11-18 09:51:14 AM  
This all seems VERY familiar...

assets.nydailynews.com

Were they just jamming the chips in by hand, after downgrading the air filters in the factory in Asia?
 
2013-11-18 09:51:28 AM  

Elegy: 1) That 30% failure rate was the failure rate of the console over either 1 or 3 years (I can't remember which). The hypothetical PS4 failure rate that you throw out there of 1-3% OUT OF THE BOX. Those are two very, very different things. 1-3% out of the box does not bode well, as failure rates can only increase as the year goes on.


Most consumer electronics come with an acceptable failure rate out of box at 10%.
 
2013-11-18 09:52:57 AM  

aendeuryu: RexTalionis: Tremolo: stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.

Not to mention the inevitable coming price drop. Early adopters of any consumer electronics are idiots.

Look, every new commodity will drop in price after a while. If this is your argument, then why would anyone buy new cars? They'd just all recycle the same used ones over and over. Remember, there wouldn't be a price drop unless somebody buys the first batch.

???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand


In the console business, price drops are either acts of desperation or, more likely, the console makers are able to streamline the hardware enough for a console to issue hardware revisions with lower-cost components. This has happened with the PS2 (PS2/PS2 slim), the Playstation (Playstation/Playstation One), the PS3 (PS3/PS3 Slim/PS3 Superslim), and the Xbox 360 (various hardware revisions - too many to note off the top of my head).

In fact, the only major modern console that hasn't gone through this process is, I think, the original Xbox, which remained the same hardware for the life of the console. Even the Wii has a Wii mini SKU out there.
 
2013-11-18 09:57:12 AM  

RexTalionis: aendeuryu: RexTalionis: Tremolo: stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.

Not to mention the inevitable coming price drop. Early adopters of any consumer electronics are idiots.

Look, every new commodity will drop in price after a while. If this is your argument, then why would anyone buy new cars? They'd just all recycle the same used ones over and over. Remember, there wouldn't be a price drop unless somebody buys the first batch.

???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

In the console business, price drops are either acts of desperation or, more likely, the console makers are able to streamline the hardware enough for a console to issue hardware revisions with lower-cost components. This has happened with the PS2 (PS2/PS2 slim), the Playstation (Playstation/Playstation One), the PS3 (PS3/PS3 Slim/PS3 Superslim), and the Xbox 360 (various hardware revisions - too many to note off the top of my head).

In fact, the only major modern console that hasn't gone through this process is, I think, the original Xbox, which remained the same hardware for the life of the console. Even the Wii has a Wii mini SKU out there.


Nobody buying the first batch would probably inspire an act of desperation.
 
2013-11-18 09:58:07 AM  

Elegy: Phoenix19851: All new hardware will have a portion has technical difficulties.  Currently the hardware failure for the PS4 from what I have read is between 1 and 3% failure, OUT OF ONE MILLION SOLD IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS!!! So lets do the math really quick.  So 1 mil sold in the first 24 hours so lets say that since Friday 1.2 million have been sold. So between 12,000 and 36,000 bad PS4s out of 1.2 million.  That is minuscule for the amount of product already moved.  Let us not forget about the XBOX 360 RRoD that lead to a close to 30% hardware failure of all released XBOX 360's at the time that RRoD was a prevalent issue.  All this is, is the equivalent of political fear mongering, except for gamers and fanboys who hold allegiance to one certain console.

/owner of a PS4, PS3, PS2, XBOX 360, XBOX, Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, N64, SNES, NES, Colecovision, and gaming PC.

A couple of things you are overlooking is important though.

1) That 30% failure rate was the failure rate of the console over either 1 or 3 years (I can't remember which). The hypothetical PS4 failure rate that you throw out there of 1-3% OUT OF THE BOX. Those are two very, very different things. 1-3% out of the box does not bode well, as failure rates can only increase as the year goes on.


So was the XBox 360.  At launch it was between 3-5% (it spiked to 30% within the first year)  This is nothing new, the PS2 also had a failure rate out of the box.  If it creeps up to 10% or higher in the next few months then yes, there is a problem but right now it's just a lot of noise over nothing.  IIRC 5% is usually the electronics industry norm for early failure rates.
 
2013-11-18 10:00:20 AM  

aendeuryu: RexTalionis: aendeuryu: RexTalionis: Tremolo: stuhayes2010: Why anyone would buy a game system on day 1 is beyond me.  You risk recalls, red ring of death, etc.  and there's a whopping ten games to choose from.

Not to mention the inevitable coming price drop. Early adopters of any consumer electronics are idiots.

Look, every new commodity will drop in price after a while. If this is your argument, then why would anyone buy new cars? They'd just all recycle the same used ones over and over. Remember, there wouldn't be a price drop unless somebody buys the first batch.

???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

In the console business, price drops are either acts of desperation or, more likely, the console makers are able to streamline the hardware enough for a console to issue hardware revisions with lower-cost components. This has happened with the PS2 (PS2/PS2 slim), the Playstation (Playstation/Playstation One), the PS3 (PS3/PS3 Slim/PS3 Superslim), and the Xbox 360 (various hardware revisions - too many to note off the top of my head).

In fact, the only major modern console that hasn't gone through this process is, I think, the original Xbox, which remained the same hardware for the life of the console. Even the Wii has a Wii mini SKU out there.

Nobody buying the first batch would probably inspire an act of desperation.


Sure, but the only people in the past decade who have done so and actually carried it out without killing the console itself was Nintendo with the 3DS. Of course, Nintendo's price drop with the Wii U is being met with yawns. I don't think that console is going to do much more beyond hobble along.
 
2013-11-18 10:03:16 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Elegy: 1) That 30% failure rate was the failure rate of the console over either 1 or 3 years (I can't remember which). The hypothetical PS4 failure rate that you throw out there of 1-3% OUT OF THE BOX. Those are two very, very different things. 1-3% out of the box does not bode well, as failure rates can only increase as the year goes on.

Most consumer electronics come with an acceptable failure rate out of box at 10%.


That sounds insanely high. I'm gonna need a source to prove you aren't pulling that from where the sun shineth not.

From what I know, most consumer electronics have a 15% failure rate over a 3-4 year period. Anybody that sells a product with a 10% out of box failure is going to go out of business, with a quickness.
 
2013-11-18 10:05:02 AM  

Elegy: From what I know, most consumer electronics have a 15% failure rate over a 3-4 year period. Anybody that sells a product with a 10% out of box failure is going to go out of business, with a quickness.


From your own link:

"An independent study of new iPods (by MacInTouch) found a 15% iPod failure rate. Another study of new laptops (by Gartner) found a 22% laptop hardware failure rate."
 
2013-11-18 10:07:23 AM  

RexTalionis: Elegy: From what I know, most consumer electronics have a 15% failure rate over a 3-4 year period. Anybody that sells a product with a 10% out of box failure is going to go out of business, with a quickness.

From your own link:

"An independent study of new iPods (by MacInTouch) found a 15% iPod failure rate. Another study of new laptops (by Gartner) found a 22% laptop hardware failure rate."


...over a 3-4 year period.
 
2013-11-18 10:10:44 AM  

Elegy: ...over a 3-4 year period.


Oh, right. I misread that.
 
2013-11-18 10:15:18 AM  
Gee, is it worse to have some arrive DOA during the manufacturing shakedown, or is it worse to have something completely incompetently designed like the original 360's?

I'd have to say I would hold my outrage until it shows signs of repeated failures like Microsoft's 360. Especially if Sony were to deny the repeated failures were their fault and charge their customers for repair over and over and over as Microsoft originally did.
 
2013-11-18 10:16:04 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: It's new hardware, shiat happens.

Lest we all forget how many of us had to bake out Xboxs that first year they came out.


As I remember, MS got a metric shiatload of flack for that too, and ended up having to extend the warranty for 3 years to make it go away.
 
2013-11-18 10:16:09 AM  

clancifer: I was on the fence about getting a PS4 or an Xbox One until I saw a demo of the Xbox One last week.  Incredible.  Truly incredible  That Sony has a seemingly significant issue with its builds only solidifies my thoughts on the matter.


Significant issues like what? Out of the box, the PS4 is more functional than the XBone. The PS4 renders at higher resolution than the XBone. You don't have to buy the camera if you don't want it. The PS4 has every edge over the XBone. It just hasn't been marketed as well.
 
2013-11-18 10:17:25 AM  
I'm not getting either one, though. They cost too much.
 
2013-11-18 10:19:34 AM  
As someone who once worked doing SMT manufacturing at Foxconn, I'd say less sabotage and more incompetence.
 
2013-11-18 10:20:24 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: It's new hardware, shiat happens.

Lest we all forget how many of us had to bake out Xboxs that first year they came out.


Same thing happened with the PS3.

Rule of thumb: When a new iteration of a product like PlayStation or Windows is released, wait 12-18 months and then go get it.  By that time all of the bugs would've been ironed out.
 
2013-11-18 10:23:01 AM  
Of course, the true failure rate won't be known until the 80% of units bought on spec filter down to their suckers. Be sure to get receipts folks.

I predict at least one "Bought a P$4 or Xbone through Craigslist, got a box of rocks" type story.
 
2013-11-18 10:23:08 AM  

BullBearMS: Gee, is it worse to have some arrive DOA during the manufacturing shakedown, or is it worse to have something completely incompetently designed like the original 360's?

I'd have to say I would hold my outrage until it shows signs of repeated failures like Microsoft's 360. Especially if Sony were to deny the repeated failures were their fault and charge their customers for repair over and over and over as Microsoft originally did.


i.imgur.com

Oh look, it's you again. I guess Microsoft really farked over its customers when it voluntarily expanded its 1-year warranty on the 360 to a 3-year warranty.

Major cash grab, that, I can see why you would be angry.
 
2013-11-18 10:23:23 AM  

Rwa2play: IdBeCrazyIf: It's new hardware, shiat happens.

Lest we all forget how many of us had to bake out Xboxs that first year they came out.

Same thing happened with the PS3.

Rule of thumb: When a new iteration of a product like PlayStation or Windows is released, wait 12-18 months and then go get it.  By that time all of the bugs would've been ironed out.


The same saying goes with cars. It's also why I've been on the fence between getting a 1st release steam box or a HTPC.
 
2013-11-18 10:23:30 AM  

Wolf892: I was really excited about the PS4 until I saw the list of launch games. Not a single one that I'd want. Not even one. I was so disappointed with this lineup of games that I have zero sense of urgency to buy a ps4 or any sense of envy for my friends who already have one. I'm going to have to sit and wait for the cool games like Infamous 3 and Metal Gear Solid V.
By then these technical, hardware issues should be resolved and most likely the price will either be down or they will be selling the machines in bundles that include a game.


I don't get it at all; why get all hot and bothered about a next gen console when the games being released along with the console produce a "meh" at best.

Maybe "CoD: Ghosts" probably would get me to buy a PS4...if Sony hadn't released it on PS3.  So why bother?
 
kab
2013-11-18 10:23:37 AM  

Hagbardr: Why would I want to spend hundreds of dollars on a game system that doesn't even come with a keyboard and mouse?


*glorious master race high-five*
 
2013-11-18 10:25:27 AM  
Maybe it is because I am older, but I don't see many "mad dashes" for toys anymore. I suppose with online shopping, this has been mitigated. But I remember Cabbage Patch Dolls, Tickle Me Elmo, Furby, Power Rangers, et. al. It just seems that those days are over.

Maybe this year will be different with the PS4 and Xbone
 
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