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(Yahoo)   Apparently, PDF stands for Pretty Damned Farked as Adobe announces source code for its software products has been stolen   (gma.yahoo.com) divider line 67
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2013-11-18 09:54:24 AM  
The hacker's face after he opened the source code for Adobe Acrobat XI Pro:

www.wordsandpicturesonline.com
 
2013-11-18 10:13:24 AM  
I am reminded of that time I chose to install Acrobat of my own free will, and not because some moron put some really critical document in PDF format.

No wait, that definitely didn't happen.
 
2013-11-18 10:13:59 AM  
Why all the hubbub? It's only Adobe, not like anyone would want the code to begin with.
 
2013-11-18 10:14:56 AM  

ikanreed: I am reminded of that time I chose to install Acrobat of my own free will, and not because some moron put some really critical document in PDF format.

No wait, that definitely didn't happen.


PDF is a net standard at this point, sorry but you are going to have to deal with it.  Install a different viewer then but PDFs are not going away.
 
2013-11-18 10:16:09 AM  

TNel: ikanreed: I am reminded of that time I chose to install Acrobat of my own free will, and not because some moron put some really critical document in PDF format.

No wait, that definitely didn't happen.

PDF is a net standard at this point, sorry but you are going to have to deal with it.  Install a different viewer then but PDFs are not going away.


Way ahead of you, but anyone who actually puts a new PDF on the internet should be disemboweled.
 
2013-11-18 10:17:41 AM  

ikanreed: but anyone who actually puts a new PDF on the internet should be disemboweled.


i'd rather have to download a thousand pdfs rather than one microsoft word document.
 
2013-11-18 10:20:59 AM  

Tax Boy: ikanreed: but anyone who actually puts a new PDF on the internet should be disemboweled.

i'd rather have to download a thousand pdfs rather than one microsoft word document.


+1
 
2013-11-18 10:21:55 AM  

Tax Boy: ikanreed: but anyone who actually puts a new PDF on the internet should be disemboweled.

i'd rather have to download a thousand pdfs rather than one microsoft word document.


Agreed. I don't understand the hate for PDFs. I assume it's just the usual freetard complaint about something daring to be closed source.
 
2013-11-18 10:27:56 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't understand the hate for PDFs. I assume it's just the usual freetard complaint about something daring to be closed source.


PDF has been an open ISO standard for like 5 years and there are tons of GPL-compliant open source programs that read and create them.

so yeah, stupid hate is stupid.
 
2013-11-18 10:30:09 AM  

Tax Boy: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't understand the hate for PDFs. I assume it's just the usual freetard complaint about something daring to be closed source.

PDF has been an open ISO standard for like 5 years and there are tons of GPL-compliant open source programs that read and create them.

so yeah, stupid hate is stupid.


The problem is that there have been so many security holes in Adobe Acrobat that it's not funny.
 
2013-11-18 10:32:09 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: Tax Boy: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't understand the hate for PDFs. I assume it's just the usual freetard complaint about something daring to be closed source.

PDF has been an open ISO standard for like 5 years and there are tons of GPL-compliant open source programs that read and create them.

so yeah, stupid hate is stupid.

The problem is that there have been so many security holes in Adobe Acrobat that it's not funny.


That why I use Foxit for reading PDFs.
 
2013-11-18 10:32:13 AM  

Tax Boy: ikanreed: but anyone who actually puts a new PDF on the internet should be disemboweled.

i'd rather have to download a thousand pdfs rather than one microsoft word document.


And both are better than Google Docs.

/My daughter's teacher sent out a Google Docs link for her homework. In order to access it, we needed to create a Google account (with yet another password to remember). I started trying to work with Google Docs, and I can only conclude that the company stopped support for this program back in 2011 or so.
 
2013-11-18 10:34:04 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't understand the hate for PDFs.


Tax Boy: PDF has been an open ISO standard for like 5 years and there are tons of GPL-compliant open source programs that read and create them.


I don't hate PDFs; I hate Adobe Reader.  So yeah I have FoxIt on my home PC but gee, too bad that I don't get a say in what's in the company's standard build.  So when I have to open a PDF at work (and that's where I get saddled with most of my PDFs) it's basically "consensually" running a 200MB spy/mal/derpware program just to view a goddamn document.
 
2013-11-18 10:35:59 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: The problem is that there have been so many security holes in Adobe Acrobat that it's not funny.


That's why browsers like Firefox and Chrome having been doing PDF rendering internally so people don't need the often-insecure Acrobat plugin - which is made easier by PDF being an ISO standard.

For page-centric data where one wants everything in just the right font at just the right position, PDF is the best option there is.
 
2013-11-18 10:41:09 AM  
Does it matter?  No real competitor can use the code, and it's not like it can be supported by an open-source group either.
 
2013-11-18 10:46:21 AM  
Again?

This happened in August, didn't it?  I know because I saw it on Slashdot 2 weeks ago.
 
2013-11-18 10:47:32 AM  

ikanreed: I am reminded of that time I chose to install Acrobat of my own free will, and not because some moron put some really critical document in PDF format.

No wait, that definitely didn't happen.


And just what do you suggest be used as a device-independent format for sending documents with rich formatting and complex layout? There really isn't a good alternative.
 
2013-11-18 10:48:24 AM  

Abner Doon: Does it matter? No real competitor can use the code


I don't think hackers consider themselves "competitors".  I'd be more worried about the frightening number of businesses that consider PDF copies to be "official" in an effort to save document storage costs.  Not that PDFs were ever 100% safe to begin with (what is), but this isn't good news for anyone with records kept on-line by businesses.
 
2013-11-18 10:52:08 AM  
The line between third-party hackers and the NSA is thinner than a 0.1 pt. 50% black line in InDesign CS6 at this stage.

What happens in the cloud stays in another part of the cloud, but is invisible from the moment you enter. Don't pay your money and do take your chances:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/e-mail-outsourcing-to-u s- stokes-spying-worry/article15482797/
 
2013-11-18 10:54:01 AM  

dragonchild: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't understand the hate for PDFs.

Tax Boy: PDF has been an open ISO standard for like 5 years and there are tons of GPL-compliant open source programs that read and create them.

I don't hate PDFs; I hate Adobe Reader.  So yeah I have FoxIt on my home PC but gee, too bad that I don't get a say in what's in the company's standard build.  So when I have to open a PDF at work (and that's where I get saddled with most of my PDFs) it's basically "consensually" running a 200MB spy/mal/derpware program just to view a goddamn document.


Our company is an Adobe shop, we have large contracts with them, which includes a minor license agreement for Adobe Pro. We've tried to move away, because Adobe Pro 10+ is friggin terrible, especially for doing reviews. We have some software that generates PDFs, and either the software or Adobe's software doesn't work well with the new way Adobe does reviews, because when there are a large number of comments the performance of responding to and checking off review comments slow to a crawl. But getting two places to talk to one another about performance issues on a small part of the overall contract is like pulling teeth.
 
2013-11-18 10:57:39 AM  

dragonchild: Abner Doon: Does it matter? No real competitor can use the code

I don't think hackers consider themselves "competitors".  I'd be more worried about the frightening number of businesses that consider PDF copies to be "official" in an effort to save document storage costs.  Not that PDFs were ever 100% safe to begin with (what is), but this isn't good news for anyone with records kept on-line by businesses.


Well, I was talking more about Photoshop, which is still Adobe's cash cow I believe (maybe?).  But even so, if you were counting on Adobe Reader to be secure, you're already farked, so I'm not sure I see what the difference is.  I always use one of the open-source alternatives myself, and lock down any kind of fancy macro features that nobody ever uses except the crackers.
 
2013-11-18 10:58:16 AM  

Abner Doon: Does it matter?  No real competitor can use the code, and it's not like it can be supported by an open-source group either.


It means any coding error can possibly be exploited by hackers, and PDFs are not safe to open in Acrobat if they find one.
 
2013-11-18 10:59:09 AM  

bigbadideasinaction: Abner Doon: Does it matter?  No real competitor can use the code, and it's not like it can be supported by an open-source group either.

It means any coding error can possibly be exploited by hackers, and PDFs are not safe to open in Acrobat if when they find one.


FTFM
 
2013-11-18 11:15:28 AM  

Mad_Radhu: ikanreed: I am reminded of that time I chose to install Acrobat of my own free will, and not because some moron put some really critical document in PDF format.

No wait, that definitely didn't happen.

And just what do you suggest be used as a device-independent format for sending documents with rich formatting and complex layout? There really isn't a good alternative.


Yeah, too bad there's not an reliable standard for doing text markup.  Some sort of XML-like structures that denotes how to arrange graphical elements, with attached style information.  One where basically every single computer has a built-in parser, and hundreds, if not thousands, of other applications are available.
 
2013-11-18 11:16:56 AM  

bigbadideasinaction: bigbadideasinaction: Abner Doon: Does it matter?  No real competitor can use the code, and it's not like it can be supported by an open-source group either.

It means any coding error can possibly be exploited by hackers, and PDFs are not safe to open in Acrobat if when they find one.

FTFM


Soooo, same as now then?
 
2013-11-18 11:24:28 AM  

bdub77: The hacker's face after he opened the source code for Adobe Acrobat XI Pro:


I find that it's really just easier to deal with PDFs in either Finder or Preview, because Mac OS uses the PDF standard as the base for its rendering engine, and it's not a kludge-infested morass of Stupid Programmer Tricks.
 
2013-11-18 11:27:09 AM  

ikanreed: Yeah, too bad there's not an reliable standard for doing text markup.  Some sort of XML-like structures that denotes how to arrange graphical elements, with attached style information.  One where basically every single computer has a built-in parser, and hundreds, if not thousands, of other applications are available.


One that is guaranteed to render a page and print it exactly the same way on every computer?

PDF is a perfectly serviceable standard that does what HTML isn't designed to do. Sure, it's overused, and a lot of PDFs should be HTML pages instead. But the real problem is Adobe's lousy software, which is trivial to work around with an open source solution.
 
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2013-11-18 11:28:19 AM  
ikanreed: Yeah, too bad there's not a reliable standard for doing text markup.

Decades of trying haven't produced one, but hope springs eternal. We're a little better now than in the "netscape enhanced" days, and maybe by the 2030s... No, I can't honestly type that. Whoever is the heir to Netscape and Microsoft will still be sabotaging standards.
 
2013-11-18 11:28:41 AM  
Anyway, did they make off with code from other Adobe products? Maybe a little competition from off-market clones will prompt the Microsoft of graphic design to stop putting out bloatware.
 
2013-11-18 11:29:53 AM  

ikanreed: Yeah, too bad there's not an reliable standard for doing text markup.


You're right, it is too bad.
 
2013-11-18 11:35:15 AM  

ikanreed: I am reminded of that time I chose to install Acrobat of my own free will, and not because some moron put some really critical document in PDF format.

No wait, that definitely didn't happen.


PDF? Meh, could care less. That shiat called Flash can go DIAF and then fall into a black hole.

I don't agree with Apple much, but Flash should be dead. Buggy, battery draining, CPU intensive horse shiat that's vulnerable to all sorts of hacks.
 
2013-11-18 11:40:43 AM  
Open Source it so it can't be stolen.
 
2013-11-18 11:42:38 AM  
This link describes fairly well why pdf is god awful.

http://www.decalage.info/file_formats _security/pdf

It may be a "standard," but it's a terrible standard.
 
2013-11-18 11:56:53 AM  

TNel: ikanreed: I am reminded of that time I chose to install Acrobat of my own free will, and not because some moron put some really critical document in PDF format.

No wait, that definitely didn't happen.

PDF is a net standard at this point, sorry but you are going to have to deal with it.  Install a different viewer then but PDFs are not going away.


I liked djvu for scans but it never caught on except for the niche of scanning old service manuals. At least I've never seen a djvu elsewhere.
 
2013-11-18 11:58:32 AM  

WayToBlue: This link describes fairly well why pdf is god awful.

http://www.decalage.info/file_formats _security/pdf

It may be a "standard," but it's a terrible standard.


Most of these security issues aren't going to get you if you run a browser like Chrome where the PDF reader is sandboxed inside the browser. Also, having some common sense about what PDFs you open goes a long way. Not clicking on random PDFs on sketchy web pages and emails also keeps you safe from most malware. At this point when I get a weird random attachment from someone I know, I usually check with them first before even looking at it, since 99% of the time it is malware that infected their system.
 
2013-11-18 12:16:59 PM  
PDFs aren't going anywhere.

(Expensive enough) Printers have the capability of rendering PDF documents directly.  Also, mobile printing standards, such as Apple's AirPrint, Google Cloud Print, Mopria and Wi-Fi Direct, are using PDF as the transport format for high quality mobile printing, where high quality includes support for transparent objects on the page, which the PDF format supports.

Mopria will also support Microsoft's XPS, but that won't affect the ubiquity of PDF.
 
2013-11-18 12:19:25 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Tax Boy: ikanreed: but anyone who actually puts a new PDF on the internet should be disemboweled.

i'd rather have to download a thousand pdfs rather than one microsoft word document.

Agreed. I don't understand the hate for PDFs. I assume it's just the usual freetard complaint about something daring to be closed source.


because wanting the ability to fix things myself instead of being helplessly dependant on others is retarded. right.
 
2013-11-18 12:20:29 PM  
I'm still sad Farallon Replica didn't win the 'portable document' war. Like Beta vs VHS, the better one got stomped on.
 
2013-11-18 12:26:08 PM  
oh, and closed formats (which PDF is not) can lead to vendor lock in, a damn good reason to avoid them.
 
2013-11-18 12:30:50 PM  
I used to hate PDFs.  Then I re-evaluated the things that are really important in life.  Now, I am completely indifferent.
 
2013-11-18 12:40:29 PM  
Are there any other formats that are widely available and fulfill the intent of a PDF, which is to present the document exactly as the author intended it to be?

The only alternative I've see some people use are multi-page TIFF files.  And those people can go to hell.
 
2013-11-18 12:44:57 PM  
I can't imagine anyone actually cares about the Adobe source being leaked....

People who want to avoid paying for Adobe products don't want to compile them from source, they'll just pirate it.
Serious competitors to adobe aren't going to be able to make much use of it....they already have similar code that is probably better anyway.  And if they did use any of the stolen source code directly, they'd become easy targets for lawsuits.
 
2013-11-18 12:48:33 PM  

lemurs: For page-centric data where one wants everything in just the right font at just the right position, PDF is the best option there is.


You sound like you remember what working with Postscript was like.
 
2013-11-18 12:51:03 PM  
Acrobat generally causes me to rage-face whenever I have to start marking things up in it.  Maybe the hackers can improve that function.
 
2013-11-18 12:56:47 PM  
Glad to see there aren't any pdfphiles around here
 
2013-11-18 01:14:43 PM  
Adobe code? I imagine it's something like
while(1){println "Would you like to update? (Y/n)"}
 
2013-11-18 03:24:03 PM  
ever since Firefox started including pdf.js  I haven't had any issues with PDFs, who'd have thought a javascript based viewer would be far and away the fastest viewer.
 
2013-11-18 04:07:35 PM  

Nuclear Monk: The only alternative I've see some people use are multi-page TIFF files. And those people can go to hell.


From all indications, they are already there.
 
2013-11-18 04:19:52 PM  
PDF stands for portable document format (across computer and across OS), and it was before there were Adobe and it will be there after adobe. Just because Acrobat is a software to handle PDF, doesn't mean that format is copyrighted by adobe.
 
2013-11-18 04:37:35 PM  
PDFs are still mandated by many agencies and corporations as legal documents, so my wife has to use them, as do I (on occasion). I have tried to use GIMP and other free alternatives to Lightroom and Photoshop, but seriously, those 2 programs are the best I have used, and GIMP is just flat out hard to use. I have never gotten good results from any other tool, and some things just flat out aren't supported on GIMP when they should be. The exception is the HDR in Photoshop is horrendous. Improved over past versions, but horrendous. Adobe sucks, but everyone else is worse.
 
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