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(SanDiegoUnionTribune)   Purists upset that a natural history museum is selling some of their prized fossils because THEY BELONG IN A MUSEUM   (utsandiego.com) divider line 32
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2013-11-18 07:35:16 AM
They were offered up to other museums, they had no takers.

They did give take a skull out of the auction when another museum said they would take it.

So quit yer biatchin, they tried.
 
2013-11-18 07:41:52 AM
We need to let market forces decide!
 
2013-11-18 07:43:43 AM
Museum executives said the pieces from the nation's midsection are not relevant to the more local mission of the San Diego organization.

Flyover fossils.
 
2013-11-18 07:49:22 AM

baka-san: They were offered up to other museums, they had no takers.

They did give take a skull out of the auction when another museum said they would take it.

So quit yer biatchin, they tried.


Agreed. It's not like these 'purists' are offering to buy-to-donate them back to the church.
 
2013-11-18 07:49:58 AM
*museum

Sorry, there's something about the word 'purists'
 
2013-11-18 08:05:03 AM
They need to send in TOP MEN to sort this out.
 
2013-11-18 08:05:12 AM
I work in a museum, and we sell actual artifacts. Aside of looking at them, that's probably our main attraction---own a piece of history. =)
 
2013-11-18 08:05:53 AM

baka-san: They were offered up to other museums, they had no takers.

They did give take a skull out of the auction when another museum said they would take it.

So quit yer biatchin, they tried.


And odds are they'll get picked up by a collector who will take good care of them.  I hate to see artifacts get sold off but it happens so try to see they go to a good home.
 
2013-11-18 08:12:16 AM

Betacamman: They need to send in TOP MEN to sort this out.


What kind of men?
 
2013-11-18 08:15:54 AM

zekeburger: Betacamman: They need to send in TOP MEN to sort this out.

What kind of men?



indiana-jones-and-raiders-of-lost-ark.trailertheater.com

"Top. Men."
 
2013-11-18 08:16:54 AM

zekeburger: Betacamman: They need to send in TOP MEN to sort this out.

What kind of men?


images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-18 08:20:12 AM
www.gonemovies.com

Unavailable for comment.

/literally.
 
2013-11-18 08:21:21 AM

phrawgh: We need to let market forces decide!


Agreed.  If they want them in a museum, then they can buy them and donate them to a museum. Simple as that.
 
2013-11-18 08:30:44 AM
To the purists: SO DO YOU!
 
2013-11-18 08:34:51 AM
The fancy word they have for it is called de-accessioning. A lot of junk people dump off at museums quietly gets sold off since they have no use for it or too many of that kind or their basement is already full. Like it's already been pointed out, if purists want to put their wallets where their mouths are then let them set up a trust fund for their care, otherwise EABOD.
 
2013-11-18 08:36:04 AM
That big fish fossil will good in my fish pond.
 
2013-11-18 08:38:44 AM
There's a 13-foot fish that is mounted here.
That's our soul up there!

There's a complete T. Rex that is all too rare.
That's our soul up there!

There's a hadrosaur find that's a wondrous sight.
That's our soul up there!

There's a triceratops that's with its nostrils flared.
That's our soul up there!


So these exhibits gleaned from lots of blood and sweat,
Are now going to be sold to vanquish all our debt?!
You might not deem this course of action a true threat,
Best to prepare yourselves: You will regret this yet.......
 
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2013-11-18 08:39:24 AM
There are too many fossils to fit in museums.  Sure the scientifically important ones should be there, but the other 99% might as well go to private owners.
 
2013-11-18 08:41:51 AM
 
2013-11-18 08:42:26 AM

Ruiizu: I work in a museum, and we sell actual artifacts. Aside of looking at them, that's probably our main attraction---own a piece of history. =)


And you still want admissions "donations," don't you?

Greedy museum hucksters.
 
2013-11-18 09:07:09 AM
It's a tough time in the world of nonprofits, museums included.  Many tried to weather out the downturn and hoped that the so-called "staycation" effect would bring more folk through the doors.  It didn't happen to the extent that they needed, if at all, and meanwhile their endowments dropped like a rock.  Many museums spent from the principal of their endowments one more year at a time, hoping things would turn around, until things got critical and tough talks had to take place.

Few other museums would have the cash to purchase the fossils for their own collections.  Sounds like the museum tried to do what they felt was the right thing first, but that the need to raise funds and a new focus on their strategic plan (from 1992) outweighed the initial ethical considerations.   I do not imagine for one minute that this was a decision that was made smoothly, and I would really like to know if both the curators and the administration were in agreement.  Knowing a curator or two, I would find it surprising if that were the case.

So, echoing what others have said, they tried other routes first and there were no takers.  Many private collectors will hold onto the specimens for a while and take good care of them.  At some point they will be sold and resold, then eventually be donated to another museum or tossed out by some unthinking future relative.  That should give future paleontologists a real head scratcher when they find these fossils in an old landfill.  Might also enhance the bottom line for the Creation Museum : "Dino fossils found in landfill prove dinosaurs walked the earth with man."
 
2013-11-18 09:15:18 AM
Chemguy: It's a tough time in the world of nonprofits, museums included.  Many tried to weather out the downturn and hoped that the so-called "staycation" effect would bring more folk through the doors.  It didn't happen to the extent that they needed, if at all, and meanwhile their endowments dropped like a rock.  Many museums spent from the principal of their endowments one more year at a time, hoping things would turn around, until things got critical and tough talks had to take place.


No kidding. As one of the newer guys on staff, I was one of the first to lose my last museum job when the economy tanked. Unfortunately, museums, galleries, historical societies and similar institutions are the first to feel the pain when "non-essential services" are cut for budgetary reasons.
 
2013-11-18 09:15:53 AM
Go to bed Junior, you're drunk.
 
2013-11-18 09:16:32 AM
Chemguy


...It's a tough time in the world of nonprofits, museums included. Many tried to weather out the downturn and hoped that the so-called "staycation" effect would bring more folk through the doors. It didn't happen to the extent that they needed, if at all, and meanwhile their endowments dropped like a rock. ..

It's as if the affects of the obam-economy are trickling down.
 
2013-11-18 09:32:05 AM
Meh....what is the big deal? They are just some very old, giant lizard bones and some fossilized fishies. No reason to get all bent out of shape. I'm sure there are way more important things to get upset about in this nation than this issue!

/ I'm sure there are plenty of old "public treasures" in museums around the US that more than outnumber this small collection.
 
2013-11-18 09:35:27 AM
"That belongs in a museum." - Indiana Jones

"So do you." - Panama Hat
 
2013-11-18 10:12:31 AM

sendtodave: Ruiizu: I work in a museum, and we sell actual artifacts. Aside of looking at them, that's probably our main attraction---own a piece of history. =)

And you still want admissions "donations," don't you?

Greedy museum hucksters.


To be fair, admission isn't a donation. There is an actual fee here. Private museums don't receive state funding or grants. We actually have to support ourselves.
 
2013-11-18 02:00:01 PM
As someone that actually gets paid to dig up dinosaurs and sell them, I tend to side with the academics here. Their whole scientific model is based on the specimens being reposited permanently. When one of these specimens that's been published on in the public realm gets sold to a private collector, they have problems with then using the data in journals. Now, this may have more to do with stupid requirements of journals than anything else (the Europeans have very little trouble publishing even holotype specimens that are held privately), but these museums selling these fossils as part of their deaccessioning process cuts into my bottom line. And that's what really counts.
 
2013-11-18 02:50:11 PM
Bah. Just more examples of Satan's work leading people astray and tempting them into the false religion of Darwinism.
/trying too hard?
//if Satan wanted to tempt me, he'd leave around a fossil that looked like Nina Hartley's ass in her prime...
 
2013-11-18 02:50:31 PM
"SO DO YOU!

THROW him over the side, boys!"

/freaking love that line.
 
2013-11-18 06:11:07 PM
Getting the joke in the headline makes me feel old.  Realizing that 1983 was 3 decades ago .....   GET OFF MY LAWN
 
2013-11-18 09:42:19 PM
What is even worse is the fact that many professionals who acquire artifacts that can not be placed to an exact origin will toss them in the trash or destroy them. I am talking stuff like arrow heads and the like, but same situation for the most part.
 
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