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(NBC San Diego)   So, he drops a loaded gun, it hits the ground, fires on its own, shoots a guy in the gut, and he dies. Riiiiiiiight. I guess guns really DO kill people   (nbcsandiego.com) divider line 148
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2013-11-18 01:16:19 AM
I'll take my popcorn lightly salted, heavily buttered.
 
2013-11-18 01:16:52 AM
guns have grip safeties*. even with the hammer back and landing directly on the hammer it isn't supposed to fire.

*no not revolvers but have you ever seen a gansta holding a revolver sideways?
 
2013-11-18 01:17:28 AM
This almost never happened with pikes or bow and arrows.
 
2013-11-18 01:18:06 AM
and in this case it wasn't the gun that killed hm but the bullet.
 
2013-11-18 01:18:11 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-18 01:21:27 AM
Something doesn't add up.  Modern firearms do not go off when they are accidently dropped.  This sounds more like someone trying to come up with an excuse after murdering another human being.
 
2013-11-18 01:23:25 AM
i.imgur.com

"You guys met Brett?"
 
2013-11-18 01:23:55 AM
While grip safeties are a real thing, they aren't necessarily what keeps a gun from firing if dropped to the ground/smacked around. That used to happen a lot because the firing pin was in direct contact with the primer at all times, so if you slapped the hammer hard enough the gun would discharge - a lot of early cartridge arms were carried 'five beans in the wheel' for this reason.

However, since the early 20th century, transfer bars have been the de facto drop safe technology. Basically the transfer bar rides between the hammer/striker and the primer itself - so the hammer can fall all day, but without the transfer bar it does nothing. The transfer bar is only raised into position by actuating the trigger.

Since the 1960's, all new production firearms have been required to include drop safeties. So for a gun to fire when dropped, you'd need one or more of the following:
1) The gun to be pre 1960's make and not include a transfer bar.
2) The gun to have no safety catch besides the transfer bar
3) The gun to be broken in that the transfer bar malfunctions
4) An object to be passing through the triggerguard and actuating the trigger (like a pen, or lipstick, or keys - always holster guns!)


Honestly though, the farking gun should not have been loaded.
 
2013-11-18 01:24:02 AM
www.imfdb.org


can relate to this situation.
 
2013-11-18 01:24:47 AM
Ha, showing it to his friend. Responsible gun owners just post pics of their guns when they wanna show people exactly how cool they are.
 
2013-11-18 01:25:42 AM

Curious: guns have grip safeties*. even with the hammer back and landing directly on the hammer it isn't supposed to fire.

*no not revolvers but have you ever seen a gansta holding a revolver sideways?


 oi49.tinypic.com
 
2013-11-18 01:26:08 AM

Curious: guns have grip safeties*. even with the hammer back and landing directly on the hammer it isn't supposed to fire.

*no not revolvers but have you ever seen a gansta holding a revolver sideways?


Not all pistols have grip safeties, but basically anything remotely modern should be drop safe. It's possible for it to be damaged or defective and fire when dropped, but it's pretty rare. Usually 'accidentally fired' just means poor trigger discipline, ie negligence.
 
2013-11-18 01:26:31 AM

BayouOtter: While grip safeties are a real thing, they aren't necessarily what keeps a gun from firing if dropped to the ground/smacked around. That used to happen a lot because the firing pin was in direct contact with the primer at all times, so if you slapped the hammer hard enough the gun would discharge - a lot of early cartridge arms were carried 'five beans in the wheel' for this reason.

However, since the early 20th century, transfer bars have been the de facto drop safe technology. Basically the transfer bar rides between the hammer/striker and the primer itself - so the hammer can fall all day, but without the transfer bar it does nothing. The transfer bar is only raised into position by actuating the trigger.

Since the 1960's, all new production firearms have been required to include drop safeties. So for a gun to fire when dropped, you'd need one or more of the following:
1) The gun to be pre 1960's make and not include a transfer bar.
2) The gun to have no safety catch besides the transfer bar
3) The gun to be broken in that the transfer bar malfunctions
4) An object to be passing through the triggerguard and actuating the trigger (like a pen, or lipstick, or keys - always holster guns!)


Honestly though, the farking gun should not have been loaded.


THIS, so much this.

Double agree on the damn gun shouldn't have been loaded if this was somehow a real accident.
 
2013-11-18 01:26:41 AM
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE

STUPIDITY DOES

/amidoinitrite?
 
2013-11-18 01:26:52 AM
www.teapartytribune.com
 
2013-11-18 01:27:38 AM

Pointy Tail of Satan: This almost never happened with pikes or bow and arrows.


Actually, it was merely infrequent. Very easy to misfire a bow.
 
2013-11-18 01:29:03 AM
Ah. I see. All guns must have background checks before they can own a human
 
2013-11-18 01:29:19 AM
Stranger things have happened.
 
2013-11-18 01:29:38 AM
One of the standard tests for guns that manufacturers do obsessively is to drop them/throw them around with varying levels of force specifically to make sure that they will not, in fact, go off when dropped.  Glock's tests, for instance, are so obsessive about safety that they stop just short of requiring that you be able to fire the gun form another gun without the action going off.

So unless this guy is an antique gun collector that was showing his friend an 18th-century wheel-lock musket or something similar, then I can pretty much guarantee you that the gun went off because his dumb-ass finger was on the farking trigger and he did something either absurdly negligent or intentional and malicious.

Either way, he's guilty of negligent homicide/manslaughter at minimum, so I'm going with "lock him up for a decade, he earned it" on this one.
 
2013-11-18 01:30:03 AM
If the other guy had had a gun to drop to "accidentally" shoot his friend he'd still be alive. Although the other other guy wouldn't be.
 
2013-11-18 01:30:39 AM
I was going to submit this, but I got into the rum first and forgot.

// currently doing battle with the kraken
 
2013-11-18 01:32:11 AM
So it's the gun's fault that the idiot dropped it?...and was showing a loaded firearm to someone else. Also article doesn't tell us what type of weapon this was, how old it was, or whether or not it had been modified. Many pre-1980 manufactured guns don't have modern safety features. Something as simple a competition trigger can alter the pull-force needed to discharge the firearm.

All things being equal, this guy is dead because his friend was an idiot that mishandled a firearm. If you keep a loaded weapon in the house, unload it when using it to weeny-wag to friends. If you keep ANY weapons in the house, always treat them as if they're loaded. If you know the weapon to be unloaded... check it anyway before handing it to another person. And don't even get the thing out if you've been drinking.

Idiot who dropped the anything should be hit with a criminal recklessness charge, involuntary manslaughter if he was intoxicated.
 
2013-11-18 01:32:57 AM

doglover: Pointy Tail of Satan: This almost never happened with pikes or bow and arrows.

Actually, it was merely infrequent. Very easy to misfire a bow.


I once had a garrote misfire and strangle three people.
 
2013-11-18 01:35:21 AM

super_grass: GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE

STUPIDITY DOES

/amidoinitrite?


The only thing that can stop a bad person with a stupid is a good person with a stupid.

/ amidoninitritetoo?
 
2013-11-18 01:37:28 AM

RidersOfLohan: Curious: guns have grip safeties*. even with the hammer back and landing directly on the hammer it isn't supposed to fire.

*no not revolvers but have you ever seen a gansta holding a revolver sideways?

 [oi49.tinypic.com image 250x238]


I haven't laughed hard in a gun thread in a while. I don't know how I haven't seen that before, but thank you for posting it.

/saved
 
2013-11-18 01:38:24 AM

lordargent: currently doing battle with the kraken


is that what they call it nowadays?
 
2013-11-18 01:43:32 AM
Unfortunately the article doesn't indicate what type of gun this was, but it's definitely possible that the gun went off when dropped. If the gun was manufactured before 1992, it's even more likely

Handguns operate by igniting the bullet with a small spark caused by the hammer (the "cock") striking a small piece of flint inside the firing tube. Drop almost any handgun on a semi-hard surface and it's possible (though not necessarily probably) that it would shoot.
 
2013-11-18 01:43:36 AM
In central florida, a black teen said his gun accidently went off - only shooting a house 19 times and hitting a "suspected" gang banger twice. I guess instead of spending $75 million to make obamacare, obama should of updated the oxford dictionary to explain the word "accidently" in ebonics.
 
2013-11-18 01:43:51 AM

cygnusx13: I'll take my popcorn lightly salted, heavily buttered.


Came here to say something along these lines. Thrilled it was the Weeners.
 
2013-11-18 01:44:02 AM

Jim_Callahan: One of the standard tests for guns that manufacturers do obsessively is to drop them/throw them around with varying levels of force specifically to make sure that they will not, in fact, go off when dropped.  Glock's tests, for instance, are so obsessive about safety that they stop just short of requiring that you be able to fire the gun form another gun without the action going off.

So unless this guy is an antique gun collector that was showing his friend an 18th-century wheel-lock musket or something similar, then I can pretty much guarantee you that the gun went off because his dumb-ass finger was on the farking trigger and he did something either absurdly negligent or intentional and malicious.

Either way, he's guilty of negligent homicide/manslaughter at minimum, so I'm going with "lock him up for a decade, he earned it" on this one.


Car manufacturers do the same thing, and wouldn't you know it... parts on cars keep farking up.

There seems to be an assumption here that every part in every gun works as intended at all times. There couldn't possibly be any malfunctioning guns out there... right? I mean, there are so many man-made mechanical items that never screw up. Here's a list of them:


.

My guess is that guns with serious operational issues get passed down the line to idiots like the guy in this story. I'm 100% sure that not all pawn shops are as vigorous on checking the guns that go through there as the guys on Pawn Stars, and I'm sure not every gun dealer on the street is going to tell the buyer all about a gun's quirks, if he even knows about them himself.

If we are going to stick with the narrative that thugs get their guns of the streets, then we need to stop assuming that all these guns are in pristine operating condition.
 
2013-11-18 01:44:51 AM

grumpfuff: cygnusx13: I'll take my popcorn lightly salted, heavily buttered.

Came here to say something along these lines. Thrilled it was the Weeners.


TIL that the Fark filter considers "comment" to be the same as "post"
 
2013-11-18 01:45:53 AM
Stay classy, San Diego.
 
2013-11-18 01:46:20 AM
I would tend to agree that modern guns have safety measures built in with some exceptions.

Glocks and similarly designed handguns don't have a grip safety, they only have the trigger safety, which is one of the reasons I have never owned  and would never own one.
I suppose a trigger safety design could discharge when dropped if the angle was precisely right and the force of impact was sufficient to activate both trigger and safety, but I find that scenario highly unlikely, the odds being millions to one.

Older pistols/ revolvers did not have the modern bar safety that prevents the firing pin from impacting the rounds primer, so I would tend to agree that would probably be the case in TFA.

However, there is so little information provided, ( a "gun" ) that a rifle or shotgun is not ruled out.

Given that there are working firearms of all types in existence, some more than 200 years old, accidental discharge by dropping is entirely possible.

I injured someone with a coke bottle in my youth, at a distance of 40 yards.
I mean seriously, hospital, stitches, all by gently tossing a coke bottle onto the sidewalk.

 'There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.'  -  William Shakespeare
 
2013-11-18 01:46:31 AM

grumpfuff: grumpfuff: cygnusx13: I'll take my popcorn lightly salted, heavily buttered.

Came here to say something along these lines. Thrilled it was the Weeners.

TIL that the Fark filter considers "comment" to be the same as "post"


Too late. Favorited.
 
2013-11-18 01:48:35 AM
Hopefully they dig up that the friend wanted to murder his friend and thought "gun dropped" would work.
 
2013-11-18 01:52:43 AM

HotWingAgenda: grumpfuff: grumpfuff: cygnusx13: I'll take my popcorn lightly salted, heavily buttered.

Came here to say something along these lines. Thrilled it was the Weeners.

TIL that the Fark filter considers "comment" to be the same as "post"

Too late. Favorited.


Meh. Considering I got farkied as "son of an abortion-worshiping pagan moon worshiper" for an off-handed mention of my mom being pro-choice, I can deal with this one.
 
2013-11-18 02:00:25 AM
I am going to go out on a limb and guess both the victim and the gun owner were white.
 
2013-11-18 02:01:21 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Unfortunately the article doesn't indicate what type of gun this was, but it's definitely possible that the gun went off when dropped. If the gun was manufactured before 1992, it's even more likely

Handguns operate by igniting the bullet with a small spark caused by the hammer (the "cock") striking a small piece of flint inside the firing tube. Drop almost any handgun on a semi-hard surface and it's possible (though not necessarily probably) that it would shoot.


1/10
 
2013-11-18 02:01:48 AM
I'd love to see the discovery that comes from the wrongful death lawsuit that should ensue. Modern guns [post '60s] simply do not fire when dropped.

On showing guns to others: My boss walked into my office one morning and closed the door. "Fred told me you have a gun in here". I opened my drawer, pulled out my new S&W Airweight .38, dumped the shells out of it onto my desk, and handed it to my boss. He examined it carefully, sighted it, and handed it back to me. "Very nice" he said. Got up and left. "Fred" didn't know the boss owned several firearms.
 
2013-11-18 02:02:35 AM

dave2198: Jim_Callahan: One of the standard tests for guns that manufacturers do obsessively is to drop them/throw them around with varying levels of force specifically to make sure that they will not, in fact, go off when dropped.  Glock's tests, for instance, are so obsessive about safety that they stop just short of requiring that you be able to fire the gun form another gun without the action going off.

So unless this guy is an antique gun collector that was showing his friend an 18th-century wheel-lock musket or something similar, then I can pretty much guarantee you that the gun went off because his dumb-ass finger was on the farking trigger and he did something either absurdly negligent or intentional and malicious.

Either way, he's guilty of negligent homicide/manslaughter at minimum, so I'm going with "lock him up for a decade, he earned it" on this one.

Car manufacturers do the same thing, and wouldn't you know it... parts on cars keep farking up.

There seems to be an assumption here that every part in every gun works as intended at all times. There couldn't possibly be any malfunctioning guns out there... right? I mean, there are so many man-made mechanical items that never screw up. Here's a list of them:

.

My guess is that guns with serious operational issues get passed down the line to idiots like the guy in this story. I'm 100% sure that not all pawn shops are as vigorous on checking the guns that go through there as the guys on Pawn Stars, and I'm sure not every gun dealer on the street is going to tell the buyer all about a gun's quirks, if he even knows about them himself.

If we are going to stick with the narrative that thugs get their guns of the streets, then we need to stop assuming that all these guns are in pristine operating condition.


Other than the complete lack of anything indicating this guy is a thug, what are the odds that it was due to mechanical error vs operator error? This accident happened at 1 AM on a Sunday. Not too odd to think alcohol might have been involved. Also even if the gun was a POS street deal, the dipshiat is still entirely to blame. He left a gun loaded while showing it to a friend.

Dude deserves a manslaughter charge.
 
2013-11-18 02:04:43 AM

ModeratelyProfane: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Unfortunately the article doesn't indicate what type of gun this was, but it's definitely possible that the gun went off when dropped. If the gun was manufactured before 1992, it's even more likely

Handguns operate by igniting the bullet with a small spark caused by the hammer (the "cock") striking a small piece of flint inside the firing tube. Drop almost any handgun on a semi-hard surface and it's possible (though not necessarily probably) that it would shoot.

1/10


Not a Cliff Claven fan?
 
2013-11-18 02:05:32 AM
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-11-18 02:07:47 AM
I saw a Yosemite park ranger go running past me in Camp IV, and a big revolver flew out of his holster and landed heavily on the ground in a puff of dust.

(nothing happened)

The ranger retrieved his loose cannon and took off running again.

I went back to my camp and just kind of sat there for a while. 

In the middle of one of America's most crowded campgrounds, that looked sickeningly bad.
 
2013-11-18 02:07:59 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ModeratelyProfane: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Unfortunately the article doesn't indicate what type of gun this was, but it's definitely possible that the gun went off when dropped. If the gun was manufactured before 1992, it's even more likely

Handguns operate by igniting the bullet with a small spark caused by the hammer (the "cock") striking a small piece of flint inside the firing tube. Drop almost any handgun on a semi-hard surface and it's possible (though not necessarily probably) that it would shoot.

1/10

Not a Cliff Claven fan?


Can't say I've ever heard of him.
 
2013-11-18 02:13:10 AM
My ExWife had a .22LR single action derringer with no trigger guard. I came home one night and found the thing cocked and sitting on the kitchen table.

We're no longer married. That was only one of many reasons.
 
2013-11-18 02:13:35 AM
My first guesses would be:

Older single-action revolver with no transfer bar
1911, Browning Hi-Power or similar older pistol
 
2013-11-18 02:18:53 AM

redmid17: dave2198: Jim_Callahan: One of the standard tests for guns that manufacturers do obsessively is to drop them/throw them around with varying levels of force specifically to make sure that they will not, in fact, go off when dropped.  Glock's tests, for instance, are so obsessive about safety that they stop just short of requiring that you be able to fire the gun form another gun without the action going off.

So unless this guy is an antique gun collector that was showing his friend an 18th-century wheel-lock musket or something similar, then I can pretty much guarantee you that the gun went off because his dumb-ass finger was on the farking trigger and he did something either absurdly negligent or intentional and malicious.

Either way, he's guilty of negligent homicide/manslaughter at minimum, so I'm going with "lock him up for a decade, he earned it" on this one.

Car manufacturers do the same thing, and wouldn't you know it... parts on cars keep farking up.

There seems to be an assumption here that every part in every gun works as intended at all times. There couldn't possibly be any malfunctioning guns out there... right? I mean, there are so many man-made mechanical items that never screw up. Here's a list of them:

.

My guess is that guns with serious operational issues get passed down the line to idiots like the guy in this story. I'm 100% sure that not all pawn shops are as vigorous on checking the guns that go through there as the guys on Pawn Stars, and I'm sure not every gun dealer on the street is going to tell the buyer all about a gun's quirks, if he even knows about them himself.

If we are going to stick with the narrative that thugs get their guns of the streets, then we need to stop assuming that all these guns are in pristine operating condition.

Other than the complete lack of anything indicating this guy is a thug, what are the odds that it was due to mechanical error vs operator error? This accident happened at 1 AM on a Sunday. Not too odd ...


I'm not defending the guy, I am attacking the idea that guns never (EVER!) malfunction. I know that a complete lack of federal oversight has meant that guns never get force-recalled in this country, but that doesn't mean there aren't manufacturing burps... or simply damaged guns still in circulation because there is always some idiot who will buy a cheap gun.
 
2013-11-18 02:20:49 AM

snark puppet: I opened my drawer, pulled out my new S&W Airweight .38, dumped the shells out of it onto my desk


Why the hell would you need to keep a loaded revolver in your office? Are you a bookie?
 
2013-11-18 02:22:42 AM
Not the gun, the idiot who dropped a loaded gun killed him. The gun was fine chilling at home when the moron picked it up and showed it off... Oopsie
 
2013-11-18 02:25:48 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Something doesn't add up.  Modern firearms do not go off when they are accidently dropped.  This sounds more like someone trying to come up with an excuse after murdering another human being.



Anytime somebody says the gun "just went off", what you should hear is: "I put my finger on the trigger and unintentionally pulled it while pointing the gun in a dangerous direction because I never took the time to learn how to properly handle a firearm or worse yet, I did learn and got complacent in following the rules of safety."

Because that is what they mean to say. It is simply an ego thing to refuse to accept you dun' goofed.
 
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