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3204 clicks; posted to Geek » on 18 Nov 2013 at 2:07 AM (21 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-11-18 01:01:03 AM
I just want a little damned feedback in my steering wheel. Some new cars with electric steering--they handle well enough but you can't feel what the front wheels are doing through the steering wheel worth a damn. I understand I'm not going to get the same feedback I would with a manual rack and pinion, but we can do better than this, power steering designers.
 
2013-11-18 02:10:01 AM
Like this?
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-18 02:30:11 AM

Ivo Shandor: Like this?


Ok... based on the not so great picture on my mobile, that this was some kind of late night tv product. A basket on your steering wheel for food. No longer having to use the passenger seat or your knees.

Thank god for reverse google image search. But that I even considered for a moment such a thing could actually exist, frightens me. Oh, and dibs.
 
2013-11-18 02:49:15 AM
Ski-matic diagram.
 
2013-11-18 02:56:07 AM
I just started using an 85 Toyota Pickup 4x4 as my daily driver/trail vehicle and while I love the thing to death I really miss power steering. Five point turns take forever now. Don't take it for granted people.
 
2013-11-18 03:09:44 AM

pocketrubbish: I just started using an 85 Toyota Pickup 4x4 as my daily driver/trail vehicle and while I love the thing to death I really miss power steering. Five point turns take forever now. Don't take it for granted

 granite people.

FTFY

/pet peave
//i'm 'that guy'
 
2013-11-18 04:30:43 AM

pocketrubbish: I just started using an 85 Toyota Pickup 4x4 as my daily driver/trail vehicle and while I love the thing to death I really miss power steering. Five point turns take forever now. Don't take it for granted people.


Parallel parking SUCKS without power steering.

/My MR2 would be straight up dangerous on the freeway with it though.
 
2013-11-18 04:35:40 AM
I haven't owned a car with power steering for 8 years. Or power brakes. Because I possess arms and legs.


natewill: pocketrubbish: I just started using an 85 Toyota Pickup 4x4 as my daily driver/trail vehicle and while I love the thing to death I really miss power steering. Five point turns take forever now. Don't take it for granted  granite people.

FTFY

/pet peave
//i'm 'that guy'


You spelled "shreve" wrong.
 
2013-11-18 07:13:39 AM

natewill: pocketrubbish: I just started using an 85 Toyota Pickup 4x4 as my daily driver/trail vehicle and while I love the thing to death I really miss power steering. Five point turns take forever now. Don't take it for granted  granite people.

FTFY

/pet peave
//i'm 'that guy'


Is the joke that you take something correct and make it incorrect?
 
2013-11-18 07:29:08 AM
Or in my 96 Volvo, how it works sometimes if I remember to top off my power steering fluid before I go anywhere.

/stop leak, my ass
 
2013-11-18 07:44:42 AM
I kept getting the feeling I should be taking notes while I was watching that , in case there was a test later.
 
2013-11-18 08:17:05 AM
Give me rack-and-peanut steering any day.
 
2013-11-18 08:48:18 AM
I'm always amazed at the craftsmanship that goes into technologies we take for granted. A whole lot of thought, testing, and creative genius went into each component of that system and built off of a culmination of human thought spanning centuries.
 
2013-11-18 09:15:51 AM

meanmutton: natewill: pocketrubbish: I just started using an 85 Toyota Pickup 4x4 as my daily driver/trail vehicle and while I love the thing to death I really miss power steering. Five point turns take forever now. Don't take it for granted  granite people.

FTFY

/pet peave
//i'm 'that guy'

Is the joke that you take something correct and make it incorrect?


Rotsky would like a word.
 
2013-11-18 09:21:07 AM
I'd trust that hamster more than I trust Cletus behind the wheel around here,
 
2013-11-18 09:37:48 AM
I just does.
 
2013-11-18 09:54:30 AM

new_york_monty: I just want a little damned feedback in my steering wheel. Some new cars with electric steering--they handle well enough but you can't feel what the front wheels are doing through the steering wheel worth a damn. I understand I'm not going to get the same feedback I would with a manual rack and pinion, but we can do better than this, power steering designers.


I'm sure they'll get the hang of it eventually, it took a while for the hydraulic systems to really give decent feel (and even then many makers just didn't bother). Thing is, we'll be going straight to steer-by-wire systems here shortly (Infiniti is already using it on the Q50, the G37 replacement), introducing another iteration for the engineers to figure out.
 
2013-11-18 09:54:56 AM

sxacho: Or in my 96 Volvo, how it works sometimes if I remember to top off my power steering fluid before I go anywhere.

/stop leak, my ass


Lemme guess- it's a 960? I think those came from the factory with leaking rack and pinion. Fortunately, they're one of the easier racks to replace. I've done plenty
 
2013-11-18 10:05:01 AM
I was kind of hoping we'd get the same reaction from Farkers to power steering as we do to the automatic transmission. Oh well.
 
2013-11-18 11:19:55 AM

semiotix: I was kind of hoping we'd get the same reaction from Farkers to power steering as we do to the automatic transmission. Oh well.


Why is that?  Manual transmissions give you more control over your car and force you to think more about when you're driving rather than just "push the pedal on the right."  Non-power steering takes away control and really only proves that you have eaten your wheaties.  The only people that would be shilling for removing power steering are the extreme car enthusiasts obsessed with removing everyone last ounce of weight and hp leach from their Honda shiatbox.

Now if you had said rack and pinion versus drive by wire, you might be right.  I want a mechanical linkage between my hands and the wheels, and I don't want a software glitch or shorted wire being the difference between making a turn and driving straight off a cliff.
 
2013-11-18 11:24:25 AM

Greek: sxacho: Or in my 96 Volvo, how it works sometimes if I remember to top off my power steering fluid before I go anywhere.

/stop leak, my ass

Lemme guess- it's a 960? I think those came from the factory with leaking rack and pinion. Fortunately, they're one of the easier racks to replace. I've done plenty


It's an 850 and it's got probably 350,000+ miles on it. I'd fix it but power steering fluid is cheap. A bottle usually lasts me a month or more. It's got some quirks but it's my daily ride and it overall it runs pretty well.
 
2013-11-18 12:00:50 PM

sxacho: Greek: sxacho: Or in my 96 Volvo, how it works sometimes if I remember to top off my power steering fluid before I go anywhere.

/stop leak, my ass

Lemme guess- it's a 960? I think those came from the factory with leaking rack and pinion. Fortunately, they're one of the easier racks to replace. I've done plenty

It's an 850 and it's got probably 350,000+ miles on it. I'd fix it but power steering fluid is cheap. A bottle usually lasts me a month or more. It's got some quirks but it's my daily ride and it overall it runs pretty well.


Ah, yes. The 850 is one of my favorite cars ever. They do last a long time. They also have tons of quirks. I have a '95 T-5R as my "fun" car- hell of a sleeper, it is. No one expects a high- performance Volvo.
 
2013-11-18 12:24:44 PM

StrangeQ: semiotix: I was kind of hoping we'd get the same reaction from Farkers to power steering as we do to the automatic transmission. Oh well.

Why is that?  Manual transmissions give you more control over your car and force you to think more about when you're driving rather than just "push the pedal on the right."  Non-power steering takes away control and really only proves that you have eaten your wheaties.  The only people that would be shilling for removing power steering are the extreme car enthusiasts obsessed with removing everyone last ounce of weight and hp leach from their Honda shiatbox.

Now if you had said rack and pinion versus drive by wire, you might be right.  I want a mechanical linkage between my hands and the wheels, and I don't want a software glitch or shorted wire being the difference between making a turn and driving straight off a cliff.


This this and this. In most cars, especially front engine, you NEED power steering. You'd be a dumbass to remove it. My car is only 2200 pounds, and the steering gets more sensitive the faster I go. If I got on the freeway with power steering, just touching the wheel would probably send me into the center divider. It's the only reason I haven't slapped a pump on it, 'cause I don't need the upper arm work out.

This isn't the same debate at all as with auto/manual transmissions. Sorry to disappoint the guy looking for entertainment.

/and if I ever buy a drive-by-wire car, I'll wire a kill switch to it
 
2013-11-18 12:27:59 PM

new_york_monty: I just want a little damned feedback in my steering wheel. Some new cars with electric steering--they handle well enough but you can't feel what the front wheels are doing through the steering wheel worth a damn. I understand I'm not going to get the same feedback I would with a manual rack and pinion, but we can do better than this, power steering designers.


i've always wondered, what happens if the oxygen sensor goes bad and the engine cuts out in a car with no direct linkage between steering wheel and wheels? do you just drive off the road or into oncoming traffic?
 
2013-11-18 12:32:11 PM

AdamK: new_york_monty: I just want a little damned feedback in my steering wheel. Some new cars with electric steering--they handle well enough but you can't feel what the front wheels are doing through the steering wheel worth a damn. I understand I'm not going to get the same feedback I would with a manual rack and pinion, but we can do better than this, power steering designers.

i've always wondered, what happens if the oxygen sensor goes bad and the engine cuts out in a car with no direct linkage between steering wheel and wheels? do you just drive off the road or into oncoming traffic?



Then you would have built your steering with an incorrect ratio and it would be your own fault.
 
2013-11-18 12:41:04 PM

AdamK: new_york_monty: I just want a little damned feedback in my steering wheel. Some new cars with electric steering--they handle well enough but you can't feel what the front wheels are doing through the steering wheel worth a damn. I understand I'm not going to get the same feedback I would with a manual rack and pinion, but we can do better than this, power steering designers.

i've always wondered, what happens if the oxygen sensor goes bad and the engine cuts out in a car with no direct linkage between steering wheel and wheels? do you just drive off the road or into oncoming traffic?


There's a linkage that, if the computer senses an issue, will close and provide that direct linkage to the wheels.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/05/al_drivebywire/
 
2013-11-18 01:08:07 PM
Let me know when you've parallel-parked an 18-wheeler that doesn't have power steering.

/old fart
 
2013-11-18 01:23:38 PM

Kyosuke: Let me know when you've parallel-parked an 18-wheeler that doesn't have power steering.

/old fart


Dad had a cab over like that. Yeah, was one of the things he made sure he had afterwards.
 
2013-11-18 01:39:20 PM

new_york_monty: I just want a little damned feedback in my steering wheel. Some new cars with electric steering--they handle well enough but you can't feel what the front wheels are doing through the steering wheel worth a damn. I understand I'm not going to get the same feedback I would with a manual rack and pinion, but we can do better than this, power steering designers.


Uhh, that's rake and peanut steering, buddy.
 
2013-11-18 02:54:27 PM
The old man was raking hay one time on an old MF50 without power steering and hit a stump and broke his hand.

/CSB
 
2013-11-18 05:28:25 PM
I like the drive by wire system in my Q50. I think as other car makers start to use their own systems that they will get more customizable to the individual driver.
 
2013-11-18 07:43:17 PM

Madbeefer: I like the drive by wire system in my Q50. I think as other car makers start to use their own systems that they will get more customizable to the individual driver.


Note: Car mechanics already know that your car gets customizable to the individual driver.

/if you drive someone else's manual you know exactly what I mean
 
2013-11-18 10:47:26 PM

pocketrubbish: I just started using an 85 Toyota Pickup 4x4 as my daily driver/trail vehicle and while I love the thing to death I really miss power steering. Five point turns take forever now. Don't take it for granted people.


Let it roll a little when you turn the wheel.

\You probably already figured that out
 
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