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(The Atlantic)   What happens to a (probably innocent) 14 year old after spending 16 years in solitary confinement? A) They find Jesus B) get a PhD in philosophy C) severe, untreated mental illness   (theatlantic.com) divider line 279
    More: Sad, Colorado, Sam Mandez, Eighth Amendment, minimum sentence, Department of Juvenile Justice, forensic psychiatrist, felony murder, state prisons  
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2013-11-17 06:10:51 PM  
huh. or D) they magically un-age 2 years....


...quick egor! to the lab!
 
2013-11-17 06:32:38 PM  

logophile: huh. or D) they magically un-age 2 years....


...quick egor! to the lab!


Same thing I thought of.
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2013-11-17 07:17:24 PM  
Why not all three?
 
2013-11-17 07:18:35 PM  
I remember watching video of that guy who was stuck in an elevator for 2 days and I was thinking how nuts I'd go if I was in that situation.

Imagine just doing that for year after year and knowing no one was coming to let you out.

Oh crazy wouldn't even begin to describe it.
 
2013-11-17 07:26:29 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Why not all three?


overachiever
 
2013-11-17 07:32:52 PM  

logophile: huh. or D) they magically un-age 2 years....


...quick egor! to the lab!


and we're done here.
 
2013-11-17 07:43:08 PM  
Out of Sight, Out of Mind - The Story of Sam Mandez

23 minutes for those who have time. Includes interviews with Sam.
 
2013-11-17 07:45:37 PM  

jamspoon: Out of Sight, Out of Mind - The Story of Sam Mandez

23 minutes for those who have time. Includes interviews with Sam.


is this in reference to the topic of the thread? cause aint no way i'm clicking on that shiat man. i do not come to fark to make myself feel worse about humanity, except about how derpy it can present itself online.


i'm here to strictly whistle past the graveyard and try to spit on the moon, and that's it.  sorry if i misrepresented myself.
 
2013-11-17 07:48:50 PM  
Aren't A and C the same thing?
 
2013-11-17 07:53:02 PM  
Well they gave him a chance to stop playing that record
 
2013-11-17 08:39:04 PM  
So sorry but I don't give a flying fark about a murderer.
 
2013-11-17 09:10:33 PM  

mikeray: So sorry but I don't give a flying fark about a murderer.


And that's why you're a bad person and nobody loves you.
 
2013-11-17 09:14:19 PM  

mikeray: So sorry but I can't read don't give a flying fark about a murderer.

 
2013-11-17 09:18:38 PM  

mikeray: So sorry but I don't give a flying fark about a murderer.


Wow.
 
2013-11-17 09:20:39 PM  

mikeray: So sorry but I don't give a flying fark about a murderer.


What's funny is you think this reveals you to have a sense of morals.
 
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2013-11-17 09:25:31 PM  

Confabulat: mikeray: So sorry but I don't give a flying fark about a murderer.

What's funny is you think this reveals you to have a sense of morals.


a-ha! hoisted on his own petard!
 
2013-11-17 09:36:08 PM  
This is like the worst thing i've ever read
 
2013-11-17 09:46:13 PM  

mikeray: So sorry but I don't give a flying fark about a murderer.


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2013-11-17 09:59:21 PM  
Let me guess, Ariel Castro didn't deserve solitary confinement?
 
2013-11-17 10:03:42 PM  

cman: Let me guess, Ariel Castro didn't deserve solitary confinement?


And there are only two colors in the world. Grow up.
 
2013-11-17 10:06:15 PM  

Confabulat: cman: Let me guess, Ariel Castro didn't deserve solitary confinement?

And there are only two colors in the world. Grow up.


I could be wrong, but don't you believe that you are a Democrats/Republicans and you cannot be anything else? I believe I have seen you call me a Republican before.
 
2013-11-17 10:07:30 PM  

cman: Confabulat: cman: Let me guess, Ariel Castro didn't deserve solitary confinement?

And there are only two colors in the world. Grow up.

I could be wrong, but don't you believe that you are a Democrats/Republicans and you cannot be anything else? I believe I have seen you call me a Republican before.


I don't believe that at all. I'm never called myself a Democrat and I've never registered for a political party. You could be very wrong, indeed.

Though your simple-minded black/white argument about grey issues such as this certainly indicate a Republican mindset.
 
2013-11-17 10:11:05 PM  

Confabulat: cman: Confabulat: cman: Let me guess, Ariel Castro didn't deserve solitary confinement?

And there are only two colors in the world. Grow up.

I could be wrong, but don't you believe that you are a Democrats/Republicans and you cannot be anything else? I believe I have seen you call me a Republican before.

I don't believe that at all. I'm never called myself a Democrat and I've never registered for a political party. You could be very wrong, indeed.

Though your simple-minded black/white argument about grey issues such as this certainly indicate a Republican mindset.


Is that supposed to be some sort of insult?
 
2013-11-17 10:11:30 PM  

cman: Is that supposed to be some sort of insult?


Yep.
 
2013-11-17 10:12:06 PM  
Jeebus. You see things like this and people wonder why I've lost faith in the criminal justice system to actually do justice. Jose Pedilla had similar treatment during his confinement prior to trial with similar, though not nearly as bad, results.

One of many things Reagan brought us was this "tough on crime" attitude. I remember when prisons at least tried to rehabilitate. Now it seems like it's just about slamming down as much punishment as possible with little regard for long term consequences.

/bleeding heart liberal
 
2013-11-17 10:14:23 PM  

Confabulat: cman: Is that supposed to be some sort of insult?

Yep.


Ok
 
2013-11-17 10:35:06 PM  
That just sounds like some kind of Nazi/Medieval experiment people do for shiats'n'giggles.
 
2013-11-17 10:36:54 PM  
FTFA:   Convicted for a murder no one has ever proven he committed

Come on Atlantic, a jury of 12 found he committed the crime.  If we go to the standard the Atlantic wants then no one ever would be guilty of a crime.
 
2013-11-17 10:38:57 PM  
Also, felony-murder doctrine is not a dubious extension of Colorado law.

The Atlantic's over sensationalizing the story turned me off.
 
2013-11-17 10:39:03 PM  
Soft on crime Obummer libtards. Let him rot.
 
2013-11-17 10:42:58 PM  
What a surprise, people that I have on ignore don't give a shiat about other people. And yes, they're likely Republicans.

/please don't feed the trolls
//some of us have them on ignore for a reason
 
2013-11-17 10:42:58 PM  

mikeray: So sorry but I don't give a flying fark about a murderer.


Unfortunately for you, the fark headline didn't completely lie about the article and the kid was actually jailed on for fishy reasons.
 
2013-11-17 10:44:17 PM  
Here's a slightly more involved article about the murder investigation, although it's still pretty lean on why this guy's conviction wasn't overturned (his lawyers ran appeals up to the Supreme Court but the article conveniently leaves out why all that failed).
 
2013-11-17 10:45:35 PM  
Not sure what shocks me more...the content of the article, or the fact it appears to have been thoroughly researched, possibly fact-checked, and meticulously crafted by a...holy crap...something resembling a journalist? Or is that a bigfoot in a journalist suit?
 
2013-11-17 10:46:16 PM  

Lsherm: Here's a slightly more involved article about the murder investigation, although it's still pretty lean on why this guy's conviction wasn't overturned (his lawyers ran appeals up to the Supreme Court but the article conveniently leaves out why all that failed).


The column also gets basic facets of the law completely wrong--not just minor mistake wrong, but flat out completely made up bullshiat.
 
2013-11-17 10:47:04 PM  

phrawgh: Soft on crime Obummer libtards. Let him rot.


How Christian of you.

mikeray: So sorry but I don't give a flying fark about a murderer.


Oh what an adorable little troll.
 
2013-11-17 10:47:31 PM  

tira: Not sure what shocks me more...the content of the article, or the fact it appears to have been thoroughly researched, possibly fact-checked, and meticulously crafted by a...holy crap...something resembling a journalist? Or is that a bigfoot in a journalist suit?


A journalist who is more interested in sensationalizing the story and getting basic information 100% wrong, then yes, a journalist.
 
2013-11-17 10:49:16 PM  
Obviously this is one of those bastards who wouldn't eat apple cores.      See what happens?   Crime, prison and billions and billions of dollars lost.
 
2013-11-17 10:49:25 PM  
Wait, he was living in a ditch and the state gave him his own place, a bed a three squares a day. Sounds like quite an accomplishment for a crazy guy.

/oh and about that murder thing... Just keep it yourself.
 
2013-11-17 10:50:34 PM  
cman, you got told.
 
2013-11-17 10:51:12 PM  
So what happens to whoever put them there?

A) Paid vacation.
B) Promotion.
C) Both?
 
2013-11-17 10:56:32 PM  

sprgrss: tira: Not sure what shocks me more...the content of the article, or the fact it appears to have been thoroughly researched, possibly fact-checked, and meticulously crafted by a...holy crap...something resembling a journalist? Or is that a bigfoot in a journalist suit?

A journalist who is more interested in sensationalizing the story and getting basic information 100% wrong, then yes, a journalist.


My favorite part of this post was the list of even one of the pieces of basic information that was 100% wrong.
 
2013-11-17 10:58:28 PM  
The Atlantic made me insane waiting 14 seconds for the advertisement.
 
2013-11-17 11:01:06 PM  
Always baffled me how solitary isn't considered cruel and unusual punishment. Course they do it so often it probably stops being unusual, and practically everything about prison is cruel, so you really have to go the extra mile to get that designation.
 
2013-11-17 11:01:41 PM  
Meanwhile, in Guantanamo Bay......well, you know.
 
2013-11-17 11:01:45 PM  

spamdog: cman, you got told.


Isn't that every thread he posts in?  We need to start tracking down who "tells" cman.  I'm convinced he's an alt account that's just pretending to be stupid so a regular can look smart putting him down.
 
2013-11-17 11:02:41 PM  

RminusQ: sprgrss: tira: Not sure what shocks me more...the content of the article, or the fact it appears to have been thoroughly researched, possibly fact-checked, and meticulously crafted by a...holy crap...something resembling a journalist? Or is that a bigfoot in a journalist suit?

A journalist who is more interested in sensationalizing the story and getting basic information 100% wrong, then yes, a journalist.

My favorite part of this post was the list of even one of the pieces of basic information that was 100% wrong.


Let's see:  Not proven guilty (jury found him guilty), felony-murder is dubious, felony-murder is a creature of statute, or how it gets Brady wrong, etc. etc. etc..  Maybe you could have read my previous posts in this thread and seen where I pointed out the complete bullshiat.
 
2013-11-17 11:03:52 PM  
We treat animals in a zoo better than this. Sickening.
 
2013-11-17 11:04:35 PM  

Strongbeerrules: Meanwhile, in Guantanamo Bay......well, you know.


But gitmo might have people who are actually dangerous. And of course, is solely the fault of those dastardly republicans.
 
2013-11-17 11:04:48 PM  

Lady Indica: We treat animals in a zoo better than this. Sickening.


Are animals in zoos found guilty of murder and do those same zoo animals continually break zoo rules?
 
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