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(The Verge)   Unable to cancel their preorders, Xboners do the only other thing they can think of: Flood Sony support and Amazon with reports of 100% PS4 failure rate   (theverge.com ) divider line
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2013-11-17 02:14:57 PM  
Samsung's marketing head face-palms and says, "Why didn't WE think of that?"

/of course, now that somebody else has done it, they WILL "think" of it.
 
2013-11-17 03:31:16 PM  
FTFA: " are on track for a great launch"

Do these words mean something different than the literal interpretation?
 
2013-11-17 04:07:13 PM  
img38.imageshack.us

I prefer to play games on my personal computing machine and remain happily above the console fray.
 
2013-11-17 04:08:54 PM  
Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.
 
2013-11-17 04:19:41 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.


That's a 0.01% failure rate. OUTRAGE.
 
2013-11-17 04:35:15 PM  
With a million consoles sold I'd be surprised if we didn't hear about a few thousands problems. The demographic that buys consoles on day one is the same demographic that will whine about it online if anything goes wrong.
 
2013-11-17 04:35:20 PM  
Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB
 
2013-11-17 04:42:22 PM  
welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them
 
2013-11-17 04:42:28 PM  
poonesfarm: Iprefer to play games on my personal computing machine and remain happily above the console fray.

i1297.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-17 04:43:04 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB


I can't believe they're selling for that much. There are hundreds of PS4s on the various sites.
 
2013-11-17 04:44:58 PM  

Stavr0: poonesfarm: Iprefer to play games on my personal computing machine and remain happily above the console fray.

[i1297.photobucket.com image 280x280]


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-11-17 04:51:08 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB


Net, not gross.
 
2013-11-17 04:52:21 PM  

Stavr0: poonesfarm: Iprefer to play games on my personal computing machine and remain happily above the console fray.

[i1297.photobucket.com image 280x280]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-17 04:54:56 PM  
Supposedly at a Foxconn factory an intern mentioned sabotaging ps4s because of the way they were being treated.
 
2013-11-17 04:56:15 PM  
Never buy from the first batch of FoxCon hardware.
 
2013-11-17 04:57:57 PM  

Cpl.D: AdamK: but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them

No kidding.  I remember getting the Atari 2600, and finding out from their customer support that bluetooth hadn't been invented yet.  Such BS.


Got mine (atari 2600) for xmas when we were in Germany.  It worked for 2 weeks.  We had to ship it back to be fixed.  It came back in perfect working order, 4 months later.
 
2013-11-17 05:00:28 PM  

Stavr0: i1297.photobucket.com


styckx: i.imgur.com


Oh, look.  It's one of those threads where people think that playing computer video games in 2013 makes you in any way elite.
 
2013-11-17 05:02:30 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.


Yup, math is hard. People in general have a hard time visualizing big numbers, so it's easy for them to see that 500+ one star reviews means they have a 90% failure rate or something. That 0.04% failure rate Sony quoted out of a million sales would be 4k units, which again sounds like a lot but it really isn't. Not that I don't feel bad for anyone who got a bad one, but with that many sales it's going to happen to someone.
 
2013-11-17 05:05:34 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-17 05:06:55 PM  

pyrotek85: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.

Yup, math is hard. People in general have a hard time visualizing big numbers, so it's easy for them to see that 500+ one star reviews means they have a 90% failure rate or something. That 0.04% 0.4% failure rate Sony quoted out of a million sales would be 4k units, which again sounds like a lot but it really isn't. Not that I don't feel bad for anyone who got a bad one, but with that many sales it's going to happen to someone.


FTFM
 
2013-11-17 05:07:54 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB


I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Or your infomercial.

AdamK: welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them


This is one of the many reasons why I'm a late adopter for all new technology. Early adopters are the beta testers, and I appreciate all they do for the rest of us who don't need the newest shiny gadget on day one. They are on the front lines, fighting the customer service battles so we don't have to. Whether it is a TV, console, phone, or any other electronic device, I am so grateful that I have these early adopters around to help refine the product. That way, when I finally do get one, all the issues have been worked out, it's cheaper, faster, smaller, more durable, and much, much better than the ones they first bought. So I salute you early adopters.

/Would you like to know more?
 
2013-11-17 05:10:18 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB


I did this when the Wii and the PS3 came out, made a tidy profit over Christmas.
 
2013-11-17 05:13:59 PM  

pyrotek85: pyrotek85: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.

Yup, math is hard. People in general have a hard time visualizing big numbers, so it's easy for them to see that 500+ one star reviews means they have a 90% failure rate or something. That 0.04% 0.4% failure rate Sony quoted out of a million sales would be 4k units, which again sounds like a lot but it really isn't. Not that I don't feel bad for anyone who got a bad one, but with that many sales it's going to happen to someone.

FTFM


An interesting note about that 0.4% rate that Sony claimed is that they noted that BEFORE the console was released. It was based on the failures of consoles that people got early vs all shipped units
 
2013-11-17 05:20:05 PM  

the_sidewinder: pyrotek85: pyrotek85: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.

Yup, math is hard. People in general have a hard time visualizing big numbers, so it's easy for them to see that 500+ one star reviews means they have a 90% failure rate or something. That 0.04% 0.4% failure rate Sony quoted out of a million sales would be 4k units, which again sounds like a lot but it really isn't. Not that I don't feel bad for anyone who got a bad one, but with that many sales it's going to happen to someone.

FTFM

An interesting note about that 0.4% rate that Sony claimed is that they noted that BEFORE the console was released. It was based on the failures of consoles that people got early vs all shipped units


Do we know what the sample size they used to arrive at that number? I know there were quite a few out in the wild, but not how many exactly. This fact also lends credence that it could be a problem caused by shipping, as AdamK stated.
 
2013-11-17 05:22:17 PM  
Is this because they fired Kevin Butler?
 
2013-11-17 05:26:30 PM  

pyrotek85: Do we know what the sample size they used to arrive at that number? I know there were quite a few out in the wild, but not how many exactly. This fact also lends credence that it could be a problem caused by shipping, as AdamK stated.


I don't know that we'll ever really know
 
2013-11-17 05:30:04 PM  
Got my PS4 on Friday from Amazon. Zero problems (outside of PSN issues, but that isn't the console's fault).

I love my PS4 very, very much.

Now, if they can just get Battlefield 4 to play well online...
 
2013-11-17 05:32:47 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: Is this because they fired Kevin Butler?


I'm guessing it's more to do with the rumors leaked by review sites that the Xbox One is a steaming pile that is DOA.
 
2013-11-17 05:35:31 PM  

AdamK: welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them


But the gaming community is notoriously....let's be nice and say demanding when it comes to bugs.
 
2013-11-17 05:41:51 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Stavr0: i1297.photobucket.com

styckx: i.imgur.com

Oh, look.  It's one of those threads where people think that playing computer video games in 2013 makes you in any way elite.


We've been over this several times. Mike. Now knock it the hell off, or no more leftover chicken for you.
 
2013-11-17 05:46:09 PM  

nmrsnr: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.

That's a 0.01% failure rate. OUTRAGE.


If you assume that the reddit reporting rate = the console failure rate... but that's a pretty dumb assumption.

I mean, every console is gonna have problems out of the gate, it's kind of the nature of mass releases.
 
2013-11-17 05:54:49 PM  

jso2897: We've been over this several times. Mike. Now knock it the hell off, or no more leftover chicken for you.


RARRRRRRRRRRRRGH

GIEB CHICKENSSSSSSS
 
2013-11-17 05:55:21 PM  
Shakin_Haitian:

I can't believe they're selling for that much. There are hundreds of PS4s on the various sites.

I couldn't believe it either but people are desperate to buy them apparently. The Xbox really surprised me, most were going for $700.

Kyosuke:

Net, not gross.

Haven't calculated the Paypal and eBay fees at this point, but should clear $400 net.

soporific:

I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Or your infomercial.

Buy low, sell high. ;)
 
2013-11-17 06:06:15 PM  

soporific: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB

I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Or your infomercial.

AdamK: welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them

This is one of the many reasons why I'm a late adopter for all new technology. Early adopters are the beta testers, and I appreciate all they do for the rest of us who don't need the newest shiny gadget on day one. They are on the front lines, fighting the customer service battles so we don't have to. Whether it is a TV, console, phone, or any other electronic device, I am so grateful that I have these early adopters around to help refine the product. That way, when I finally do get one, all the issues have been worked out, it's cheaper, faster, smaller, more durable, and much, much better than the ones they first bought. So I salute you early adopters.

/Would you like to know more?


Right there with you. With console updates I like to stay at least a year behind the curve, if not more. Particularly since a company like Sony is almost guaranteed to release a PS4 Slim or whatever they'll call it a little down the road. It helps to not be a0 "must have the best new game now because the next best new game is coming soon" type of gamer.

Hell, if my PS3 holds together I may just skip this generation entirely. I've got a hell of a backlog of good PS3 games to play.
 
2013-11-17 06:10:55 PM  

Mike_LowELL: jso2897: We've been over this several times. Mike. Now knock it the hell off, or no more leftover chicken for you.

RARRRRRRRRRRRRGH

GIEB CHICKENSSSSSSS



*tosses chicken to Mike_LowELL*
 
2013-11-17 06:12:23 PM  
i970.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-17 06:13:07 PM  
ragethread.com
 
2013-11-17 06:18:07 PM  

soporific: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB

I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Or your infomercial.

AdamK: welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them

This is one of the many reasons why I'm a late adopter for all new technology. Early adopters are the beta testers, and I appreciate all they do for the rest of us who don't need the newest shiny gadget on day one. They are on the front lines, fighting the customer service battles so we don't have to. Whether it is a TV, console, phone, or any other electronic device, I am so grateful that I have these early adopters around to help refine the product. That way, when I finally do get one, all the issues have been worked out, it's cheaper, faster, smaller, more durable, and much, much better than the ones they first bought. So I salute you early adopters.

/Would you like to know more?


Will it cost me a dollar?
 
2013-11-17 06:21:26 PM  
My favorite console experience was when my dreamcast broke 3 days out of warranty. Technically, Sega upheld its promise but it still looks bad.
 
2013-11-17 06:25:04 PM  

elvisaintdead: soporific: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB

I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Or your infomercial.

AdamK: welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them

This is one of the many reasons why I'm a late adopter for all new technology. Early adopters are the beta testers, and I appreciate all they do for the rest of us who don't need the newest shiny gadget on day one. They are on the front lines, fighting the customer service battles so we don't have to. Whether it is a TV, console, phone, or any other electronic device, I am so grateful that I have these early adopters around to help refine the product. That way, when I finally do get one, all the issues have been worked out, it's cheaper, faster, smaller, more durable, and much, much better than the ones they first bought. So I salute you early adopters.

/Would you like to know more?

Will it cost me a dollar?


Would you buy it for a dollar?
 
2013-11-17 06:27:36 PM  

soporific: This is one of the many reasons why I'm a late adopter for all new technology. Early adopters are the beta testers, and I appreciate all they do for the rest of us who don't need the newest shiny gadget on day one. They are on the front lines, fighting the customer service battles so we don't have to. Whether it is a TV, console, phone, or any other electronic device, I am so grateful that I have these early adopters around to help refine the product. That way, when I finally do get one, all the issues have been worked out, it's cheaper, faster, smaller, more durable, and much, much better than the ones they first bought. So I salute you early adopters.

/Would you like to know more?


For game consoles it usually takes at least a year for the library of games to stop sucking anyway. So it's not like you're really missing out on much if you wait either. The PS4 launch has been particularly lack luster. You have Killzone (Seems good but I'm kind of burned out on the fps genre), Knack (which is getting hammered by reviewers), and Rezogun which looks interesting, but not $400 worth of interesting.
 
2013-11-17 06:36:26 PM  

SilentStrider: *tosses chicken to Mike_LowELL*


NOMNOMNOM
 
2013-11-17 06:43:45 PM  

soporific: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB

I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Or your infomercial.

AdamK: welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them

This is one of the many reasons why I'm a late adopter for all new technology. Early adopters are the beta testers, and I appreciate all they do for the rest of us who don't need the newest shiny gadget on day one. They are on the front lines, fighting the customer service battles so we don't have to. Whether it is a TV, console, phone, or any other electronic device, I am so grateful that I have these early adopters around to help refine the product. That way, when I finally do get one, all the issues have been worked out, it's cheaper, faster, smaller, more durable, and much, much better than the ones they first bought. So I salute you early adopters.

/Would you like to know more?


i don't completely mind early adoption so long as i'm not spending money to replace things

what inevitably puts me off is the software experience, games are always a crapshoot and "library starvation" pushes you into buying games you probably would rather forget about... the firmware/ui/service/store side of everything is also always in flux early on and rarely without fault

BUT just waiting a year and it's like a no brainer, the product is so much better and all you had to do is have patience
 
2013-11-17 06:55:29 PM  
I'm just going to wait until it is bundled for free with a switch on Newegg.

/that's how I got my PS3
 
2013-11-17 06:58:12 PM  
and this is exactly why i almost never buy at launch for a console as by the time i do the initial kinks are by in large worked out.

The only console i bought at launch was a gamecube and it was damn near invincible, hauled all over the place with no issues.
 
2013-11-17 06:58:57 PM  

AdamK: BUT just waiting a year and it's like a no brainer, the product is so much better and all you had to do is have patience


I'm guessing people that submit fake failure reports about their "rival" are lacking in many things, including patience.
 
2013-11-17 07:09:07 PM  
Good thing the best console title ever just came out for the 360, which i just purchased.  i also have a 7  year backlog of great games that will soon be available in the bargain bin.


muahahah!
 
2013-11-17 07:16:34 PM  
Actually .4% is a pretty bad failure rate for manufacturing and certainly for consoles. Not that it bothers me at all since neither console interests me.
 
2013-11-17 07:22:42 PM  
sgb.co.in
 
2013-11-17 07:24:07 PM  

Lordserb: Actually .4% is a pretty bad failure rate for manufacturing and certainly for consoles. Not that it bothers me at all since neither console interests me.


Yeah, but if damage due to poor Amazon packaging is true, it doesn't reflect the true failure rate.  It'll be interesting to see post-holiday numbers.
 
2013-11-17 07:24:38 PM  

Korzine: soporific: This is one of the many reasons why I'm a late adopter for all new technology. Early adopters are the beta testers, and I appreciate all they do for the rest of us who don't need the newest shiny gadget on day one. They are on the front lines, fighting the customer service battles so we don't have to. Whether it is a TV, console, phone, or any other electronic device, I am so grateful that I have these early adopters around to help refine the product. That way, when I finally do get one, all the issues have been worked out, it's cheaper, faster, smaller, more durable, and much, much better than the ones they first bought. So I salute you early adopters.

/Would you like to know more?

For game consoles it usually takes at least a year for the library of games to stop sucking anyway. So it's not like you're really missing out on much if you wait either. The PS4 launch has been particularly lack luster. You have Killzone (Seems good but I'm kind of burned out on the fps genre), Knack (which is getting hammered by reviewers), and Rezogun which looks interesting, but not $400 worth of interesting.


That's going to be the issue with the Ps4, pushing up the launch date does not mean that the games will be ready. You get people who are hardcore about the console getting it now, but every last one of my friends are waiting until the games dictate which console to buy, and what's worth $460-$560 to play for that initial investment.

/BTW I think it was smart for Xbone to go the direction of HTPC, extend the appeal to households with dad's and kids that want to play games and watch movies, with mom's that want to use the kinect fitness, and the whole family can use the DVR and media aspects.
 
2013-11-17 07:33:45 PM  

BSABSVR: AdamK: welcome to old news, most of those 1 star reviews are actually verified purchases apparently, Amazon shipped a bunch of PS4's with awful packaging and it sounds like a few hundred got damaged in the shipping process and arrived DOA

there's also the real problem of a batch of rubber used for the DS4's thumbsticks wasn't properly cured and are falling apart, and some games with in-game updates locking the console if you switch to the OS

but hey, it's a console launch, this shiat has happened with every one of them

But the gaming community is notoriously....let's be nice and say demanding when it comes to bugs.


The thing is, it has only been since the last console generation that the modern software model of ship first, debug second, and upload a patch third has even been possible.  From Pong to the PS2, console titles had to work, because they couldn't just send a new disc in the mail once they finally got the thing reasonably debugged.

Of course the way the major blockbusters get pre-sold, you know that release day is going to happen whether or not the program compiles.  I can't see the modern gamer waiting an extra day, let alone the "until its really done" the way old-school console titles had to be.
 
2013-11-17 07:44:53 PM  

bingethinker: Samsung's marketing head face-palms and says, "Why didn't WE think of that?"

/of course, now that somebody else has done it, they WILL "think" of it.


No bites? Jeez, I guess you're losing your touch.
 
2013-11-17 07:53:23 PM  
On the one hand, retailers and manufacturers do a FAR better job tracking sales than they do tracking problems, and they're more motivated to make those figures look good.  Failure reports likely only represent a fraction of actual failures, and failure reports on just one site (such as Reddit) represent only a miniscule fraction of even those.  Moreover, DOAs are only a fraction of failures for a product launch.  There will be plenty that power on but don't work right either immediately or soon.

On the other hand, when looking at after-purchase reviews on sites like Amazon, people with bad experiences are more motivated and more likely to post a review than people whose consoles work just fine.

So...yeah.  Meaningless...for both sides.
 
2013-11-17 08:03:02 PM  
Sigh.  CSB time.

My PS4 arrived yesterday, Original plan..sell it for a profit.  Family outvoted me.  its now our official early Christmas gift...and...it didn't work.

Downloading the update failed every time.  So then I went online and found that they had a solution.  Install it via usb or disc.  YAY!

it wont recognize the CD with the update.  Well that's not good.  So then...it wont recognize the USB.  So I reformat the USB as FAT32.  Still no dice.

So then I tried a different USB....plug it in...no dice.  BUT after 15 minutes more messing with this, I realized that while the USB plugs in...it doesn't go flush because the edge of the console keep it a little out.  I pull the guts of the USB out from the USB case, and success.

What a hassle.
 
2013-11-17 08:19:17 PM  
Have there been problems? Yes
Do the problems rise to the level of the RROD? No, not yet
Will they?  Probably not
Will people right troll reviews on Amazon just for fun?  Of course
Will the MS launch be better or worse?  Who knows but I bet the tested the fark out of the hardware to avoid a second fiasco.
 
2013-11-17 08:39:40 PM  
Console wars aside, I'm a pretty big fan of the Dualshock 4 controller after playing with it all weekend. I don't have a PS4, but I wanted to try out the controller at least since it works natively with PC without the help of a shady 3rd party program that requires being connected to the internet(I hate you motioninjoy) and while it still takes a little tweaking with a Xinput Wrapper because of how some PC games work with controllers, it works fantastically. It brings back memories of the greatness that was the Wavebird Wireless controller for Gamecube.
 
2013-11-17 08:40:07 PM  

Nefarious: Who knows but I bet the tested the fark out of the hardware to avoid a second fiasco.


It won't matter if Amazon packages the Xbox as poorly as they did the playstation. I got two of them one  was destroyed before it even got to my doorstep. The other works great.

Seriously Amazon you put no impact bubbles below the console?
 
2013-11-17 08:47:52 PM  

Carth: Seriously Amazon you put no impact bubbles below the console?


The console itself should have plenty of padding inside the box, so there is no real need for Amazon to put an additional layer of padding in there. UPS just needs to get their act together in your area. Where I live, I almost never get damaged boxes because my UPS guys seem to actually have some professionalism.
 
2013-11-17 08:49:04 PM  

Carth: Nefarious: Who knows but I bet the tested the fark out of the hardware to avoid a second fiasco.

It won't matter if Amazon packages the Xbox as poorly as they did the playstation. I got two of them one  was destroyed before it even got to my doorstep. The other works great.

Seriously Amazon you put no impact bubbles below the console?


Amazon's fark ups belong solely to Amazon.  They'll certainly make good on their issues.
 
2013-11-17 08:54:35 PM  

wildcardjack: Never buy from the first batch of FoxCon hardware.


FTFY.
 
2013-11-17 08:59:04 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Carth: Seriously Amazon you put no impact bubbles below the console?

The console itself should have plenty of padding inside the box, so there is no real need for Amazon to put an additional layer of padding in there. UPS just needs to get their act together in your area. Where I live, I almost never get damaged boxes because my UPS guys seem to actually have some professionalism.


Two things:
1) Padding in the box is irrelevant...shipping boxes should ALWAYS be packed and padded properly.
2) No, your UPS guys are not special. Your driver may be professional, but at the warehouses your sh*t is getting tossed around and beaten like everyone else's. They don't give a crap.
 
2013-11-17 09:08:25 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: 2) No, your UPS guys are not special. Your driver may be professional, but at the warehouses your sh*t is getting tossed around and beaten like everyone else's. They don't give a crap.


Then why have I ordered tens of thousands of dollars worth of stuff from Amazon over the last decade and I can't remember anything that has arrived broken or beaten up? Sure I have Prime, but that doesn't come with the magic white glove treatment. Typically everything that comes in a box with its own padding just is tossed into a larger box to keep the items from getting scuffed up, but I have not had any issues. Hell, I've even ordered HDTVs that have arrived in the just the manufacturer's box and they have been fine. Like I said, I don't know what the hell is happening with your last mile, but I simply haven't had issues with electronics being shipped without padding between the inner and outer boxes. With as much as I order for personal and for home use, I would have seen an issue if Amazon was the one at fault here. If I think real hard, I MIGHT be able to come up with an example of a box that was dented on a corner.
 
2013-11-17 09:10:54 PM  

Korzine: For game consoles it usually takes at least a year for the library of games to stop sucking anyway. So it's not like you're really missing out on much if you wait either. The PS4 launch has been particularly lack luster. You have Killzone (Seems good but I'm kind of burned out on the fps genre), Knack (which is getting hammered by reviewers), and Rezogun which looks interesting, but not $400 worth of interesting.


I'll give you the current library isn't all that great, but the games that are out are pretty fun.  I haven't gotten too far into KZ yet, but Knack is much better than reviewers give it credit for.  It's not something your "hardcore" gamer will appreciate, but if you liked games like Spyro, you'll like Knack.

Rezogun is fun too, I haven't tried Contrast yet, but I've only heard good things.

And Warframe, for a free to play FPS, is pretty damn fun.  I know it's available on PC as well, but I love the DS4 and the swiping to use abilities.  My ass groove in my couch has never been deeper.
 
2013-11-17 09:12:54 PM  
Oh, and I got my PS4 by walking into K-mart on release day at about 11am, no pre-order.  Small towns FTW.
 
2013-11-17 09:14:19 PM  

lousyskater: Console wars aside, I'm a pretty big fan of the Dualshock 4 controller after playing with it all weekend. I don't have a PS4, but I wanted to try out the controller at least since it works natively with PC without the help of a shady 3rd party program that requires being connected to the internet(I hate you motioninjoy) and while it still takes a little tweaking with a Xinput Wrapper because of how some PC games work with controllers, it works fantastically. It brings back memories of the greatness that was the Wavebird Wireless controller for Gamecube.


I hated the PS3 controller, The X-box controller is far superior in my opinion. With that, I'd like to play with the new PS4 controller,  it looks like they've actually put the analog sticks far enough apart where your fingers won't bump, if they upped the tension in them, they'd have something.
 
2013-11-17 09:20:54 PM  

Scruffinator: Oh, and I got my PS4 by walking into K-mart on release day at about 11am, no pre-order.  Small towns FTW.


I'm pretty sure you can do this in most places. Selling out online and selling out at every retailer that would carry it in a town are two very different things.
 
2013-11-17 09:26:34 PM  
Psssho.onionstatic.com

I ordered Zenith's new gaming system.
 
2013-11-17 09:32:37 PM  

pedobearapproved: Scruffinator: Oh, and I got my PS4 by walking into K-mart on release day at about 11am, no pre-order.  Small towns FTW.

I'm pretty sure you can do this in most places. Selling out online and selling out at every retailer that would carry it in a town are two very different things.


Actually, I tried Walmart, Meijer, and gamestop all before k-mart, and were all sold out.  And I got the last one K-mart had.  I'm fairly certain I got the last PS4 in my county.
 
2013-11-17 09:33:22 PM  
I'm glad there are so many suckers out there to alpha-test the new consoles for me and pay more for the privilege of doing so.  Enjoy your 12-game library for the next 6 months.
 
2013-11-17 09:35:28 PM  

Mike_LowELL: jso2897: We've been over this several times. Mike. Now knock it the hell off, or no more leftover chicken for you.

RARRRRRRRRRRRRGH

GIEB CHICKENSSSSSSS


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-17 09:36:15 PM  

ISO15693: Psssh[o.onionstatic.com image 850x480]

I ordered Zenith's new gaming system.


Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to walk into my brothers house and see something like that. He has an Ouya and a Gamestick. I don't think I've ever seen him use either of them though.
 
2013-11-17 09:58:10 PM  

Mike_LowELL: SilentStrider: *tosses chicken to Mike_LowELL*

NOMNOMNOM


Video gamers. They can rationalize any failure, of any magnitude, as long as they have chicken.
 
2013-11-17 10:21:12 PM  

Stavr0: poonesfarm: Iprefer to play games on my personal computing machine and remain happily above the console fray.

[i1297.photobucket.com image 280x280]


www.memecreator.org
 
2013-11-17 10:32:46 PM  
I don't understand why anyone would want to pre-order a new gen console.
 
2013-11-17 11:03:54 PM  
So 91 bricked consoles out of more than 500,000 sold on launch weekend.  That's a damn good QA level.  As for flooding Amazon reviews with negative ratings, it only takes a handful of assholes with multiple accounts to do that.  I wonder how many of those negative reviews were made on accounts that have zero purchase history?
 
2013-11-17 11:05:27 PM  

Scruffinator: pedobearapproved: Scruffinator: Oh, and I got my PS4 by walking into K-mart on release day at about 11am, no pre-order.  Small towns FTW.

I'm pretty sure you can do this in most places. Selling out online and selling out at every retailer that would carry it in a town are two very different things.

Actually, I tried Walmart, Meijer, and gamestop all before k-mart, and were all sold out.  And I got the last one K-mart had.  I'm fairly certain I got the last PS4 in my county.


K Mart always works. I got a Wii in the first week by just walking into a K Mart on a Wednesday. They had five. I think people don't even consider K Marts to exist.
 
2013-11-17 11:10:05 PM  

Nefarious: Have there been problems? Yes
Do the problems rise to the level of the RROD? No, not yet
Will they?  Probably not
Will people right troll reviews on Amazon just for fun?  Of course
Will the MS launch be better or worse?  Who knows but I bet the tested the fark out of the hardware to avoid a second fiasco.



Most of the bad reviews are verified by Amazon (which you cannot fake), meaning they bought it and were upset it isn't working.

The RROD issues took a while to be realized and the blue light issue is happening now and its been verified at GameStop, Sony stores, Best Buy and Amazon. Its highly unlikely that a port that is recessed is going to cause this issue from bad packaging. Especially since the PS4 is tightly packaged in the Sony Box.

A lot of these issues happened after the firmware update, hell Sony is even blaming your TV. They were not prepared for this and the still hour long wait proves this.

This is also exactly how the RROD started
 
2013-11-17 11:16:17 PM  

OgreMagi: So 91 bricked consoles out of more than 500,000 sold on launch weekend.  That's a damn good QA level.  As for flooding Amazon reviews with negative ratings, it only takes a handful of assholes with multiple accounts to do that.  I wonder how many of those negative reviews were made on accounts that have zero purchase history?



You cannot fake a verified by amazon purchase... which is what most of them are. Hell, people even posted video and pictures because of the Sony defense force calling them liars. The positive reviews are even a bigger joke. You have people who don't even own the console saying how great it is.
 
2013-11-17 11:34:23 PM  

nmrsnr: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.

That's a 0.01% failure rate. OUTRAGE.


Math fail unless there are a million console owners on Reddit's PlayStation hub.
 
2013-11-17 11:34:28 PM  

OgreMagi: So 91 bricked consoles out of more than 500,000 sold on launch weekend.  That's a damn good QA level.  As for flooding Amazon reviews with negative ratings, it only takes a handful of assholes with multiple accounts to do that.  I wonder how many of those negative reviews were made on accounts that have zero purchase history?


Lotta "verified purchases" in those one star reviews for them to be fake. Certainly more than 91.
 
2013-11-18 12:29:23 AM  
DO NOT BUY FIRST REVISION HARDWARE.... EVER.

First editions are only good with books and rare collectables.
 
2013-11-18 12:55:37 AM  
Got my launch PS4.  No problems whatsoever (except not enough time to play it).

/could really go without the whole needing to sleep thing
 
2013-11-18 01:17:10 AM  

Hoopy Frood: Math fail unless there are a million console owners on Reddit's PlayStation hub.


If you'd ask them they'd tell you that Reddit is the only site that matters, so yes.

/farkers are the same way
 
2013-11-18 01:58:46 AM  
Rollout problems with the healthcare website AND the ps4?!

THANKS OBAMA
 
2013-11-18 02:07:04 AM  

viscountalpha: DO NOT BUY FIRST REVISION HARDWARE.... EVER.

First editions are only good with books and rare collectables.


I tend to agree with you.  However, I do think that the 1st gen 60GB PS3 was a worthwhile purchase because of all the extra things they removed in later versions, not least of which was the PS2 compatibility.  Plus, they did have excellent reliability, especially if you took it apart after a few years, removed the heat sinks and applied high quality thermal compound.
 
2013-11-18 02:28:06 AM  

viscountalpha: DO NOT BUY FIRST REVISION HARDWARE.... EVER.

First editions are only good with books and rare collectables.


My Sunnyvale Heavy Sixer Atari VCS is still working fine.
 
2013-11-18 03:11:00 AM  

bingethinker: Samsung's marketing head face-palms and says, "Why didn't WE think of that?"

/of course, now that somebody else has done it, they WILL "think" of it.


You truly are an Apple fanboy if you trot that crap out.
 
2013-11-18 04:24:34 AM  
A PS4 once bit my sister.
 
2013-11-18 06:18:36 AM  

jso2897: Mike_LowELL: SilentStrider: *tosses chicken to Mike_LowELL*

NOMNOMNOM

Video gamers. They can rationalize any failure, of any magnitude, as long as they have chicken.


Ask me how I know you haven't yet played the newest Batman game.

/No amount of chicken can fix that game.
//Even boobies couldn't fix that bug ridden POS.
 
2013-11-18 06:23:09 AM  

terminalx: OgreMagi: So 91 bricked consoles out of more than 500,000 sold on launch weekend.  That's a damn good QA level.  As for flooding Amazon reviews with negative ratings, it only takes a handful of assholes with multiple accounts to do that.  I wonder how many of those negative reviews were made on accounts that have zero purchase history?


You cannot fake a verified by amazon purchase... which is what most of them are. Hell, people even posted video and pictures because of the Sony defense force calling them liars. The positive reviews are even a bigger joke. You have people who don't even own the console saying how great it is.


Well I wasn't implying all the bad reviews were faked... All I said is people do love to troll the reviews, both ways.

terminalx: A lot of these issues happened after the firmware update, hell Sony is even blaming your TV. They were not prepared for this and the still hour long wait proves this.


I will say that this was Sony's modus operandi last gen too.  Sony tries to shift blame from themselves for any issues.  (At least initially)
 
2013-11-18 06:25:46 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: jso2897: Mike_LowELL: SilentStrider: *tosses chicken to Mike_LowELL*

NOMNOMNOM

Video gamers. They can rationalize any failure, of any magnitude, as long as they have chicken.

Ask me how I know you haven't yet played the newest Batman game.

/No amount of chicken can fix that game.
//Even boobies couldn't fix that bug ridden POS.


Maybe you didn't catch my reference, Leroy.
 
2013-11-18 07:36:11 AM  
i1083.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-18 08:26:41 AM  
Choosing a platform is for poor people.
 
2013-11-18 08:49:18 AM  

nmrsnr: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.

That's a 0.01% failure rate. OUTRAGE.


In Six Sigma it is.
 
2013-11-18 09:13:33 AM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB


Ok let me do some maths for you.  You don't list your State so I'll put my state's sales tax into the equation (6%).

$530 for the unit, you sell it for $785, eBay and Paypal will take $118 from you, so you made "only" $130.  I know it's very little involved but you did not make $285.  Would have been better to sell on craigslist and not dealt with fees.
 
2013-11-18 09:39:28 AM  

RockofAges: Egoy3k: Choosing a platform is for poor people.

Spending an additional $500 to unlock 10% more games is for stupid people.


I spend $490 ($2 a day and I have three weeks of vacation) a year on coffee during my morning commute.  $500 extra every 8 years is a negligible sum of money.
 
2013-11-18 09:44:25 AM  
I never want the first pancake either.
 
2013-11-18 09:50:49 AM  

RockofAges: Egoy3k: RockofAges: Egoy3k: Choosing a platform is for poor people.

Spending an additional $500 to unlock 10% more games is for stupid people.

I spend $490 ($2 a day and I have three weeks of vacation) a year on coffee during my morning commute.  $500 extra every 8 years is a negligible sum of money.

I don't drink coffee. $2 for a cup of coffee sounds like a pretty bad deal compared to $3 for a bottle of wine. You are the same guy who said "this thread sounds poor" the other day, so I am probably right in assuming that money has little value to you as an apparent economic elitist.

So yea, go ahead and spend that $500 on your exclusive titles. I will keep it for a mortgage payment, personally, and pick the system up for $100 next year on Kijiji.


$2 is a pretty standard cost for drive through coffee, and $3 wine sounds like you buy some really shiatty wine unless you make your own in which case that's a pretty standard cost.

I never said I bought both consoles at release date.  Why would I do that if the exclusives that I want aren't out yet?  Either way if you can't afford an extra $500 every 8 years then maybe you shouldn't be spending anything on leisure activities because your finances must be pretty goddamned tight.
 
2013-11-18 10:02:36 AM  

Egoy3k: I never said I bought both consoles at release date.  Why would I do that if the exclusives that I want aren't out yet?  Either way if you can't afford an extra $500 every 8 years then maybe you shouldn't be spending anything on leisure activities because your finances must be pretty goddamned tight.


This.

I'm planning to buy a PS3 this Christmas and I won't be spending near the infamous $599 US Dollars to do so. Plus, all my games will likely be $20 or less each.

Frankly, I think some people need to remember that games don't disappear once they fade out of the popular zeitgeist. Well, I guess games that are only good for their multiplayer do...
 
2013-11-18 10:12:07 AM  

RockofAges: Egoy3k: RockofAges: Egoy3k: RockofAges: Egoy3k: Choosing a platform is for poor people.

Spending an additional $500 to unlock 10% more games is for stupid people.

I spend $490 ($2 a day and I have three weeks of vacation) a year on coffee during my morning commute.  $500 extra every 8 years is a negligible sum of money.

I don't drink coffee. $2 for a cup of coffee sounds like a pretty bad deal compared to $3 for a bottle of wine. You are the same guy who said "this thread sounds poor" the other day, so I am probably right in assuming that money has little value to you as an apparent economic elitist.

So yea, go ahead and spend that $500 on your exclusive titles. I will keep it for a mortgage payment, personally, and pick the system up for $100 next year on Kijiji.

$2 is a pretty standard cost for drive through coffee, and $3 wine sounds like you buy some really shiatty wine unless you make your own in which case that's a pretty standard cost.

I never said I bought both consoles at release date.  Why would I do that if the exclusives that I want aren't out yet?  Either way if you can't afford an extra $500 every 8 years then maybe you shouldn't be spending anything on leisure activities because your finances must be pretty goddamned tight.

Again, rank economic elitism. And it's not "amortized over 8 years". This console gen will be lucky to last 5, particularly where GPUs and peripherals are going in the next 1-2. It's an upfront payment of $500.

Actually, if you ask me, people who are economically depressed should ideally spend at least some of their income (perhaps not buying a new console, but maybe a used Wii or PS2 for $50) to help them enjoy their life. Gaming is one of the most inexpensive hobbies around. That's why poor folks are gamers and not people who go on vacation out of country.

But yeah, your postings do have a bit of silver-spoon-syndrome about them and it is a bit irritating. You might want to start hanging out with some working class folks ...


What do you think I'm actually commuting to in the morning if not my job?  Even if this console generation only lasts 5 years (despite the last one lasting 8) it's still 1/5th of what I spend on coffee.
 
2013-11-18 10:32:59 AM  

RockofAges: If you were a member of the working class, quotes like "this thread sounds poor" and "poor people shouldn't have fun that costs more than a nickel" (paraphrase on the latter) would never come out of your mouth, because they are symptomatic statements that come from those who are possessed of comfort and entitlement.


You haven't actually met anyone in the 'working class' have you? 

You have a job -- laudable. So do many other people who work harder for much less than you do. Your bankroll does not make you a better person, in fact, in my experience, the richer the person is the more morally selfish and superioristic their attitude.

By the same logic their harder work for less pay doesn't make them better people either. You are the only person who has drawn a line between net worth and judgments about someones character here.  Nice work there bub, castigate me for judging someone based on their net worth (which I never did) then judge me based on my net worth (which you have imagined to be high).  You are truly possessed of a staggering intellect and will surely go on to do great things in this world.

Personally, I'll hang with the unwashed masses. Lot less hipsterdom and materialist piety.

You may be projecting a bit here.
 
2013-11-18 10:40:36 AM  

i1.mirror.co.uk


That's just how X-Box people are . . .

 
2013-11-18 10:51:50 AM  

Egoy3k: RockofAges: If you were a member of the working class, quotes like "this thread sounds poor" and "poor people shouldn't have fun that costs more than a nickel" (paraphrase on the latter) would never come out of your mouth, because they are symptomatic statements that come from those who are possessed of comfort and entitlement.

You haven't actually met anyone in the 'working class' have you? 

You have a job -- laudable. So do many other people who work harder for much less than you do. Your bankroll does not make you a better person, in fact, in my experience, the richer the person is the more morally selfish and superioristic their attitude.

By the same logic their harder work for less pay doesn't make them better people either. You are the only person who has drawn a line between net worth and judgments about someones character here.  Nice work there bub, castigate me for judging someone based on their net worth (which I never did) then judge me based on my net worth (which you have imagined to be high).  You are truly possessed of a staggering intellect and will surely go on to do great things in this world.

Personally, I'll hang with the unwashed masses. Lot less hipsterdom and materialist piety.

You may be projecting a bit here.


Yeah, I'm reading this for the first time and I agree with him. You're coming off as condescending and elitist.
 
2013-11-18 10:59:50 AM  

change1211: Yeah, I'm reading this for the first time and I agree with him. You're coming off as condescending and elitist.


Because it is my firm belief that $500 every 8 years is a negligible amount of money I'm an elitist?  That is setting the bar pretty low.
 
2013-11-18 11:03:51 AM  

OgreMagi: So 91 bricked consoles out of more than 500,000 sold on launch weekend.  That's a damn good QA level.  As for flooding Amazon reviews with negative ratings, it only takes a handful of assholes with multiple accounts to do that.  I wonder how many of those negative reviews were made on accounts that have zero purchase history?


Don't you work for Sony? ;D
 
2013-11-18 11:10:58 AM  

Egoy3k: What do you think I'm actually commuting to in the morning if not my job? Even if this console generation only lasts 5 years (despite the last one lasting 8) it's still 1/5th of what I spend on coffee.


Forget coffee over years. Tickets for 2 to see book of Mormon and dinner cost us $600 for a night of entertainment. Video games  are a cheap hobby compared to many. You can buy all the consoles and a top of the line PC for less than the cost of a mid range road/Triathlon bike.
 
2013-11-18 11:19:30 AM  

RockofAges: Egoy3k: change1211: Yeah, I'm reading this for the first time and I agree with him. You're coming off as condescending and elitist.

Because it is my firm belief that $500 every 8 years is a negligible amount of money I'm an elitist?  That is setting the bar pretty low.

"Choosing a platform is for poor people". Your exact words, and in fact, only words that drew my initial criticism. Then you engaged in the famous "backpeddle". 

Further, in other threads (I invite people to favourite you and to search for previous posts), you constantly take this position ("this thread sounds poor", "poor people _____").

You consistently do it. It's a pattern, and you are trying to reframe the narrative to make yourself look more reasonable after the fact.


This is the second thread that we've had this argument in.  I've done it once before and my argument hasn't changed. If you can't afford $500 every 8 years then your finances are in serious trouble.  That means you are poor.  $500 every 8 years is a negligible expense.  If you have other priorities that's fine, but your attempts to categorize $500 every 8 years as elitist are laughable.  It is not a lot of money by any metric unless you are poor.

Once again, if you don't have enough money to spend a negligible amount on something that you want then you don't have money.  When you don't money you are poor.  This isn't some attempt to denigrate anyone, just simple honest truth.
 
2013-11-18 11:19:34 AM  

Kyosuke: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Only a moran would try to cancel their pre-order, subby.  My Xbox One pre-order just sold this morning for $785.  No, it wasn't packaged with a game, it was just a day one console grossing me $285 for doing nothing more than listing it on eBay and changing the "ship to" address on Amazon.

/My PS4 pre-order sale only grossed me $210
//Impatient people are awesome, I basically earned a free console once they're back in stock
///CSB

Net, not gross.


Wishing I had thought to do that..alas
 
2013-11-18 11:40:11 AM  

Egoy3k: RockofAges: Egoy3k: change1211: Yeah, I'm reading this for the first time and I agree with him. You're coming off as condescending and elitist.

Because it is my firm belief that $500 every 8 years is a negligible amount of money I'm an elitist?  That is setting the bar pretty low.

"Choosing a platform is for poor people". Your exact words, and in fact, only words that drew my initial criticism. Then you engaged in the famous "backpeddle". 

Further, in other threads (I invite people to favourite you and to search for previous posts), you constantly take this position ("this thread sounds poor", "poor people _____").

You consistently do it. It's a pattern, and you are trying to reframe the narrative to make yourself look more reasonable after the fact.

This is the second thread that we've had this argument in.  I've done it once before and my argument hasn't changed. If you can't afford $500 every 8 years then your finances are in serious trouble.  That means you are poor.  $500 every 8 years is a negligible expense.  If you have other priorities that's fine, but your attempts to categorize $500 every 8 years as elitist are laughable.  It is not a lot of money by any metric unless you are poor.

Once again, if you don't have enough money to spend a negligible amount on something that you want then you don't have money.  When you don't money you are poor.  This isn't some attempt to denigrate anyone, just simple honest truth.


It was less your point, it was how you tried to make it. Saying that "Choosing a platform is for poor people" is what makes you elitist.

For what it's worth, I can easily afford an Xbox One and PS4 but that doesn't mean I'm going to go around being a dick to people who can't.
 
2013-11-18 11:44:04 AM  

change1211: Egoy3k: RockofAges: Egoy3k: change1211: Yeah, I'm reading this for the first time and I agree with him. You're coming off as condescending and elitist.

Because it is my firm belief that $500 every 8 years is a negligible amount of money I'm an elitist?  That is setting the bar pretty low.

"Choosing a platform is for poor people". Your exact words, and in fact, only words that drew my initial criticism. Then you engaged in the famous "backpeddle". 

Further, in other threads (I invite people to favourite you and to search for previous posts), you constantly take this position ("this thread sounds poor", "poor people _____").

You consistently do it. It's a pattern, and you are trying to reframe the narrative to make yourself look more reasonable after the fact.

This is the second thread that we've had this argument in.  I've done it once before and my argument hasn't changed. If you can't afford $500 every 8 years then your finances are in serious trouble.  That means you are poor.  $500 every 8 years is a negligible expense.  If you have other priorities that's fine, but your attempts to categorize $500 every 8 years as elitist are laughable.  It is not a lot of money by any metric unless you are poor.

Once again, if you don't have enough money to spend a negligible amount on something that you want then you don't have money.  When you don't money you are poor.  This isn't some attempt to denigrate anyone, just simple honest truth.

It was less your point, it was how you tried to make it. Saying that "Choosing a platform is for poor people" is what makes you elitist.

For what it's worth, I can easily afford an Xbox One and PS4 but that doesn't mean I'm going to go around being a dick to people who can't.


Oh so is 'poor' not a word we should use any more?  What is the now acceptable term for people without disposable income?

Next time I'll post;

Choosing a platform is for the financially disadvantaged but still really nice people whom I am not trying to make fun of at all.
 
2013-11-18 11:53:38 AM  

Egoy3k: change1211: Egoy3k: RockofAges: Egoy3k: change1211: Yeah, I'm reading this for the first time and I agree with him. You're coming off as condescending and elitist.

Because it is my firm belief that $500 every 8 years is a negligible amount of money I'm an elitist?  That is setting the bar pretty low.

"Choosing a platform is for poor people". Your exact words, and in fact, only words that drew my initial criticism. Then you engaged in the famous "backpeddle". 

Further, in other threads (I invite people to favourite you and to search for previous posts), you constantly take this position ("this thread sounds poor", "poor people _____").

You consistently do it. It's a pattern, and you are trying to reframe the narrative to make yourself look more reasonable after the fact.

This is the second thread that we've had this argument in.  I've done it once before and my argument hasn't changed. If you can't afford $500 every 8 years then your finances are in serious trouble.  That means you are poor.  $500 every 8 years is a negligible expense.  If you have other priorities that's fine, but your attempts to categorize $500 every 8 years as elitist are laughable.  It is not a lot of money by any metric unless you are poor.

Once again, if you don't have enough money to spend a negligible amount on something that you want then you don't have money.  When you don't money you are poor.  This isn't some attempt to denigrate anyone, just simple honest truth.

It was less your point, it was how you tried to make it. Saying that "Choosing a platform is for poor people" is what makes you elitist.

For what it's worth, I can easily afford an Xbox One and PS4 but that doesn't mean I'm going to go around being a dick to people who can't.

Oh so is 'poor' not a word we should use any more?  What is the now acceptable term for people without disposable income?

Next time I'll post;

Choosing a platform is for the financially disadvantaged but still really nice people whom I am not try ...


That's okay, you still come off looking like a dick.
 
2013-11-18 11:55:26 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.


*gasp*
 
2013-11-18 12:12:06 PM  

Mentat: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.

*gasp*


You do realize that there are more than 91 failed consoles, right? That's just how many that Subreddit had found.
 
2013-11-18 12:21:15 PM  

change1211: Mentat: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.

*gasp*

You do realize that there are more than 91 failed consoles, right? That's just how many that Subreddit had found.


Sony is predicting the failure rate at 0.4% which would be about 4000 consoles.  The failure rate of the PS3 in the first 2 years was 10%.  If they can stay close to the first number and keep the second one down, they're fine except for the chicken little media reporting.
 
2013-11-18 12:22:39 PM  

Mentat: change1211: Mentat: Mr. Fuzzypaws: Reddit's PlayStation hub has collected 91 separate incidents of console failure,

Out of a million consoles.

*gasp*

You do realize that there are more than 91 failed consoles, right? That's just how many that Subreddit had found.

Sony is predicting the failure rate at 0.4% which would be about 4000 consoles.  The failure rate of the PS3 in the first 2 years was 10%.  If they can stay close to the first number and keep the second one down, they're fine except for the chicken little media reporting.


I haven't seen too many media stories about the failures, it's mainly the Amazon reviews that have people talking.
 
2013-11-18 12:22:44 PM  
Also remember that this is the first social media era console loss, so it's always going to sound like a catastrophe no matter what the actual numbers are.
 
2013-11-18 12:23:21 PM  

Mentat: Also remember that this is the first social media era console losslaunch, so it's always going to sound like a catastrophe no matter what the actual numbers are.

 
2013-11-18 12:24:13 PM  

Mentat: Sony is predicting the failure rate at 0.4% which would be about 4000 consoles. The failure rate of the PS3 in the first 2 years was 10%. If they can stay close to the first number and keep the second one down, they're fine except for the chicken little media reporting.


But the actual failure rate is far less important than the perceived failure rate. If enough people have a defective console, and complain about it loudly enough, the real numbers don't matter. Perception is reality.

/Also didn't microsoft try to say things like that early on before all the backpeddling and free replacements kicked in?
 
2013-11-18 12:53:29 PM  
Has Microsoft locked down exclusive rights to Rockstar, Bethesda, and Valve games? No? Then I don't give a shiat, I'm still getting a PS4.

/all this launch bullshiat will be handled by the time I get one anyways
 
2013-11-18 01:05:00 PM  

Dalrint: Mentat: Sony is predicting the failure rate at 0.4% which would be about 4000 consoles. The failure rate of the PS3 in the first 2 years was 10%. If they can stay close to the first number and keep the second one down, they're fine except for the chicken little media reporting.

But the actual failure rate is far less important than the perceived failure rate. If enough people have a defective console, and complain about it loudly enough, the real numbers don't matter. Perception is reality.

/Also didn't microsoft try to say things like that early on before all the backpeddling and free replacements kicked in?


The XBox failure rate was also 24%.  That wasn't perception, that was reality.  As far as perception, this is a story because it's always a story.  You're going to see the same story when the XBox One is realeased, just like you saw the same stories when the last gen consoles were released.  This generation is predicted to be a ten year life span.  None of this is going to significantly impact long term sales unless something truly catastrophic happens.
 
2013-11-18 01:32:57 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I'm glad there are so many suckers out there to alpha-test the new consoles for me and pay more for the privilege of doing so.  Enjoy your 12-game library for the next 6 months.


Oh I will. Thanks.
 
2013-11-18 01:36:23 PM  

RockofAges: gain, rank economic elitism. And it's not "amortized over 8 years". This console gen will be lucky to last 5, particularly where GPUs and peripherals are going in the next 1-2. It's an upfront payment of $500.


Actually one of the big takeaways in the PS4 reviews were how it is hard in many of the launch games to really see a dramatic difference between a new PS4 game and a late gen PS3 game like The Last of Us or Uncharted 3. The smoother frame rate is the biggest gain, but the lack of a dramatic jump in the eye candy means that the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are going to easily have decade-long life cycles. The gulf in graphics between a PS2 and PS3 was way bigger, but the PS2 still remained in production for 12 years. I wouldn't be shocked if the Xbox 360 and PS3 make it a good 15 years, especially since they are still solid systems for things like media playback or workout games (so even after you upgrade to the Xbox One in the living room, you'll keep a 360 in the bedroom or the home office for Netflix or Nike Plus).
 
kab
2013-11-18 02:43:45 PM  

Egoy3k: What is the now acceptable term for people without disposable income?


Middle class.
 
2013-11-18 02:57:43 PM  

Mad_Radhu: RockofAges: gain, rank economic elitism. And it's not "amortized over 8 years". This console gen will be lucky to last 5, particularly where GPUs and peripherals are going in the next 1-2. It's an upfront payment of $500.

Actually one of the big takeaways in the PS4 reviews were how it is hard in many of the launch games to really see a dramatic difference between a new PS4 game and a late gen PS3 game like The Last of Us or Uncharted 3. The smoother frame rate is the biggest gain, but the lack of a dramatic jump in the eye candy means that the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are going to easily have decade-long life cycles. The gulf in graphics between a PS2 and PS3 was way bigger, but the PS2 still remained in production for 12 years. I wouldn't be shocked if the Xbox 360 and PS3 make it a good 15 years, especially since they are still solid systems for things like media playback or workout games (so even after you upgrade to the Xbox One in the living room, you'll keep a 360 in the bedroom or the home office for Netflix or Nike Plus).


Yeah, you and I are on the same page.  I'd add though that titles released later in the lifecycle of a console generation have historically been better than those released earlier, especially launch titles.  PS2  launch titles sucked ass. X-Squad?  Summoner? I seem to recall Summoner having a fatal bug that had me retire the game permanently. It seems to take a while for the game companies to catch up with a new systems potential so I think we will see a dramatic difference in PS4 media but not for a couple of more years.

That said, you can also still find brand new PS2 games in many stores.  Compilation sets for example, such as Mortal Kombat.  My PS2 is still in my bedroom.  I used to use it for DVDs but we finally upgraded to a dedicated bluray for that.  I still use the PS2 to play "retro" titles though.  I found my Gauntlet Legends memory card a while back and gave it a spin.
 
2013-11-18 03:10:23 PM  

DittoToo: Yeah, you and I are on the same page.  I'd add though that titles released later in the lifecycle of a console generation have historically been better than those released earlier, especially launch titles.  PS2  launch titles sucked ass. X-Squad?  Summoner? I seem to recall Summoner having a fatal bug that had me retire the game permanently. It seems to take a while for the game companies to catch up with a new systems potential so I think we will see a dramatic difference in PS4 media but not for a couple of more years.


Dev companies tend to use known techniques, even for new generations. While they will update graphics, maybe take advantage of a new feature or two, they are nowhere near utilizing the features of the newest chipsets. In many cases, there may be hardware capabilities that are available, but aren't accessible because they haven't written the libraries or toolsets to take advantage of them yet. It's all they can do to finish the game in time for day-one release. And let's be honest, for 80% of gamers, a faster-framerate and a new Battlefield or CoD release is all they want anyway.
 
2013-11-18 03:51:34 PM  

Mad_Radhu: RockofAges: gain, rank economic elitism. And it's not "amortized over 8 years". This console gen will be lucky to last 5, particularly where GPUs and peripherals are going in the next 1-2. It's an upfront payment of $500.

Actually one of the big takeaways in the PS4 reviews were how it is hard in many of the launch games to really see a dramatic difference between a new PS4 game and a late gen PS3 game like The Last of Us or Uncharted 3. The smoother frame rate is the biggest gain, but the lack of a dramatic jump in the eye candy means that the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are going to easily have decade-long life cycles. The gulf in graphics between a PS2 and PS3 was way bigger, but the PS2 still remained in production for 12 years. I wouldn't be shocked if the Xbox 360 and PS3 make it a good 15 years, especially since they are still solid systems for things like media playback or workout games (so even after you upgrade to the Xbox One in the living room, you'll keep a 360 in the bedroom or the home office for Netflix or Nike Plus).


Playing the games remotely via the Vita is pretty cool.    MP  BF4 vs on the PS4 vs the PS3 version is very noticeable.  And the more precise  hit boxes brought on by the higher resolution really show when you trying to pistol snipe across the map.
Killzone is a blast as well.
 
2013-11-18 04:32:49 PM  

Egoy3k: Choosing a platform is for the financially disadvantaged but still really nice people whom I am not trying to make fun of at all.


Or you could go with, "I enjoy all consoles, because each has something unique to offer."

You see how the emphasis is positive, inclusive and centered on your opinion of the consoles and not people.  It's also not objectively false.  Choosing a platform may be for people who only have certain interests, or for people who have an interest in games but also likes to invest money in the stock market or go camping.  Your statement that one's gaming purchasing habits reflects on some aspect of the person, is no less dickish in terms of intensity than anything said by a fanboy yet is also a more broad-spectrum dickishness.  You're basically being just as much of a dick to more people than a Sony fanboy who says Xboxes are for retarded fratboys, or a Microsoft fanboy saying that Playstations are for lonely weeaboos.

Likewise, one could turn things back on you and say, "Buying all the platforms is for people who have no hobbies or sexual partners."  And that would be something dickish as well.

So, focus on positive things that you enjoy rather than on judging people for being different from you and you too could be not-a-dick.
 
2013-11-18 06:01:27 PM  

DittoToo: Mad_Radhu: RockofAges: gain, rank economic elitism. And it's not "amortized over 8 years". This console gen will be lucky to last 5, particularly where GPUs and peripherals are going in the next 1-2. It's an upfront payment of $500.

Actually one of the big takeaways in the PS4 reviews were how it is hard in many of the launch games to really see a dramatic difference between a new PS4 game and a late gen PS3 game like The Last of Us or Uncharted 3. The smoother frame rate is the biggest gain, but the lack of a dramatic jump in the eye candy means that the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are going to easily have decade-long life cycles. The gulf in graphics between a PS2 and PS3 was way bigger, but the PS2 still remained in production for 12 years. I wouldn't be shocked if the Xbox 360 and PS3 make it a good 15 years, especially since they are still solid systems for things like media playback or workout games (so even after you upgrade to the Xbox One in the living room, you'll keep a 360 in the bedroom or the home office for Netflix or Nike Plus).

Yeah, you and I are on the same page.  I'd add though that titles released later in the lifecycle of a console generation have historically been better than those released earlier, especially launch titles.  PS2  launch titles sucked ass. X-Squad?  Summoner? I seem to recall Summoner having a fatal bug that had me retire the game permanently. It seems to take a while for the game companies to catch up with a new systems potential so I think we will see a dramatic difference in PS4 media but not for a couple of more years.

That said, you can also still find brand new PS2 games in many stores.  Compilation sets for example, such as Mortal Kombat.  My PS2 is still in my bedroom.  I used to use it for DVDs but we finally upgraded to a dedicated bluray for that.  I still use the PS2 to play "retro" titles though.  I found my Gauntlet Legends memory card a while back and gave it a spin.


I've been Shadowing Colossi and Princing Persia, myself.

/great games never get old
 
2013-11-18 07:04:18 PM  

mooseyfate: 've been Shadowing Colossi and Princing Persia, myself.


I just got Shadow of the Colossus for the PS3 free on PS+ last month, and I REALLY need to play though it. That's where Sony kind of shot themselves in the foot with PS+. I have such a huge backlog of PS3 games to play from PS+ that it'll be a while before I even need to consider the PS4.
 
2013-11-18 09:24:22 PM  
Well...

My PS4 showed up early as shiat on Friday, was healthy, and everything has been great minus Battlefield 4's conquest mode.

Guess I'm an outlier.
 
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