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2013-11-17 11:43:57 AM  
I'm sure he can find a home at Fox news
White said he thought he would have been derelict in his duties to not quickly make a statement on the president's announcement.

They are always looking for people to quickly make statements about the president's announcements.
 
2013-11-17 11:52:46 AM  
Next, Balrog al-Fartb0ng0 will throw his White ass in jail.

In all seriousness, this seems a bit fishy.  I thought the mayor of DC had a basically ceremonial position.  Does he still get to appoint commissioners?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-17 11:56:09 AM  
D.C. is run by the House of Representatives. The mayor and local elections exist by grace of His Almighty Boehnerness. He could smite the whole corrupt mess, but bad governance has become such a tradition he probably won't.
 
2013-11-17 12:08:19 PM  
So he complained because the insurance companies are worried that Obama's proposed exception could cut into their profits.  He was basically speaking as a lacky of the insurance industry, not for the good of the people.  Firing him was the right decision.

So many of the problems with the ACA stem from our for-profit health insurance model.  If we could get rid of that and go to single payer things would be much more affordable and run much more smoothly.
 
2013-11-17 12:26:37 PM  
WTF is an "Insurance Commissioner" and what do they do?
 
2013-11-17 12:28:03 PM  
This requires second amendment solutions

Amidoingitrite?
 
2013-11-17 12:28:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: WTF is an "Insurance Commissioner" and what do they do?


Criticize Obamacare, get fired.
 
2013-11-17 12:30:37 PM  

sendtodave: Lost Thought 00: WTF is an "Insurance Commissioner" and what do they do?

Criticize Obamacare, get fired.


Well then, the guy seems to be doing a great job.
 
2013-11-17 12:40:18 PM  

sendtodave: Lost Thought 00: WTF is an "Insurance Commissioner" and what do they do?

Criticize Obamacare, get fired.


Wow, they created a position long ago just for that?  Damn that time machine!!

Fartb0ng0 is even more diabolically ingenious than I thought!
 
2013-11-17 12:42:53 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Next, Balrog al-Fartb0ng0 will throw his White ass in jail.

In all seriousness, this seems a bit fishy.  I thought the mayor of DC had a basically ceremonial position.  Does he still get to appoint commissioners?




Congress controls the money for DC, so the mayors job consists of a lot of begging.
 
2013-11-17 12:45:43 PM  

Barfmaker: sendtodave: Lost Thought 00: WTF is an "Insurance Commissioner" and what do they do?

Criticize Obamacare, get fired.

Well then, the guy seems to be doing a great job.


Of all the DC insurance commissioners I have known to criticise Obamacare and get fired, he's definitely in the top ten.
 
2013-11-17 12:46:56 PM  

spongeboob: I'm sure he can find a home at Fox news
White said he thought he would have been derelict in his duties to not quickly make a statement on the president's announcement.

They are always looking for people to quickly make statements about the president's announcements.



History teaches us that its best to speak before thinking and always jump to predisposed conclusions before mulling things over.
 
2013-11-17 12:50:44 PM  

Linux_Yes: spongeboob: I'm sure he can find a home at Fox news
White said he thought he would have been derelict in his duties to not quickly make a statement on the president's announcement.

They are always looking for people to quickly make statements about the president's announcements.


History teaches us that its best to speak before thinking and always jump to predisposed conclusions before mulling things over.




Pointing out the obvious is a dangerous thing to do in Washington DC.
 
2013-11-17 12:51:24 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Lionel Mandrake: Next, Balrog al-Fartb0ng0 will throw his White ass in jail.

In all seriousness, this seems a bit fishy.  I thought the mayor of DC had a basically ceremonial position.  Does he still get to appoint commissioners?

Congress controls the money for DC, so the mayors job consists of a lot of begging.


Right.  I just wondered what else the mayor could do.  In the recent mess with Toronto's mayor, I heard them say that the mayoral position is a much weaker office than it is in most places in the US, but one significant authority they do have is to appoint/fire commissioners.  I was wondering if DC was like that.

Because, if the mayor doesn't have that power, then who does?  Congress?  And if that's so, didn't Boehner/the GOP fire him?
 
2013-11-17 12:51:35 PM  

Lost Thought 00: WTF is an "Insurance Commissioner" and what do they do?


his office helps to soften the huge cock that the bank owned insurance industry it preparing to shove up your ass after you get sick. when your insurance company lets you know that your policy only covers the first 100,000 dollars, you won't have to suffer so much pounding from them because they won't be quite as erect as they would be if allowed to do as they please in the 'greatest country on earth'.
 
2013-11-17 12:53:15 PM  
A DC insurance commissioner under vincent gray?  Not a tea bagger by any means.

He's right, the fix won't work.  It will probably make things worse.
 
2013-11-17 12:53:23 PM  

ZAZ: D.C. is run by the House of Representatives. The mayor and local elections exist by grace of His Almighty Boehnerness. He could smite the whole corrupt mess, but bad governance has become such a tradition he probably won't.



D.C. is run by big business and the wealthy.  and Obama is a thorn in their sides because he keeps mentioning the 'middle class', and Democracy, etc.

they don't like that.
 
2013-11-17 12:55:04 PM  
incidentally, just for fun, i tried to compare plans on healthcare.gov this morning. thought it would be a total FAIL.

it turns out, it worked for me just fine. and here's my platinum plan, with no subsidies:

img.fark.net

pretty decent, i think.

when i was freelancing last year, i had a catastrophic plan that barely covered anything, and that cost me $200/mo. so this seems pretty good to me.

now, i'm covered via work, so i'll probably stick with that, but i was expecting a "cadillac plan" to be a lot higher.
 
2013-11-17 01:01:09 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: So he complained because the insurance companies are worried that Obama's proposed exception could cut into their profits.  He was basically speaking as a lacky of the insurance industry, not for the good of the people.  Firing him was the right decision.

So many of the problems with the ACA stem from our for-profit health insurance model.  If we could get rid of that and go to single payer things would be much more affordable and run much more smoothly.


I've never understood why healthcare should be a for-profit industry. It's an obvious conflict of interest with no benefit to the sick. I've never understood why employers should be saddled with funding and administering healthcare packages. It's an obviously wasteful inefficiency with no benefit to shareholders.
 
2013-11-17 01:02:28 PM  

ZAZ: D.C. is run by the House of Representatives.


No, DC is under the authority of Congress, which includes the Senate. They have just as much say in DC government as the House does.
 
2013-11-17 01:08:43 PM  

Lost Thought 00: WTF is an "Insurance Commissioner" and what do they do?


Apparently they are not supposed to sabotage the new law. He's more or less guaranteed himself a higher paying job as a lobbyist now, which is where his comments belong. He'll probably have more power over policy as an outsider working for a lobbying firm. Overall, this was a good career move for him, but a bad day for whoever has to scramble to replace him in DC during this crisis.
 
2013-11-17 01:13:32 PM  
The biatch set him up.
 
2013-11-17 01:14:26 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Lionel Mandrake: Next, Balrog al-Fartb0ng0 will throw his White ass in jail.

In all seriousness, this seems a bit fishy.  I thought the mayor of DC had a basically ceremonial position.  Does he still get to appoint commissioners?

Congress controls the money for DC, so the mayors job consists of a lot of begging.

Right.  I just wondered what else the mayor could do.  In the recent mess with Toronto's mayor, I heard them say that the mayoral position is a much weaker office than it is in most places in the US, but one significant authority they do have is to appoint/fire commissioners.  I was wondering if DC was like that.

Because, if the mayor doesn't have that power, then who does?  Congress?  And if that's so, didn't Boehner/the GOP fire him?


The Mayor of DC is an elected position, not an appointed one. Since the majority of citizens in DC are black, the chances of a Republican being elected mayor are slim to none.

The mayor has the responsibility to enforce all city law; administer and coordinate city departments, including the appointment of a City Administrator and heads of the departments (subject to confirmation by the Council); to set forth policies and agendas to the Council, and prepare and submit the city budget at the end of each fiscal year. The mayor has the powers to either approve or veto bills passed by the DC Council; to submit drafts of legislation to the Council; and to propose federal legislation or action directly to the President and/or Congress of the United States. As head of the city's executive branch, the mayor has the power to draft and enact executive orders relative to the departments and officials under his jurisdiction, and to reorganize any entities within the executive branch (except in the case of formal disapproval by the Council). Additionally, the mayor reserves the right to be heard by the Council or any of its committees.
 
2013-11-17 01:22:36 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Linux_Yes: spongeboob: I'm sure he can find a home at Fox news
White said he thought he would have been derelict in his duties to not quickly make a statement on the president's announcement.

They are always looking for people to quickly make statements about the president's announcements.


History teaches us that its best to speak before thinking and always jump to predisposed conclusions before mulling things over.

Pointing out the obvious is a dangerous thing to do in Washington DC.


That may be so, but it's even more dangerous for people who don't understand the concept of "what happens next" as taught by Sesame Street.

Think first, then say.
Think first, then do.
Think first.
 
2013-11-17 01:24:20 PM  
I hope he can get healthcare.
 
2013-11-17 01:34:01 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Apparently they are not supposed to sabotage the new law.


Sabotage it how?

There are plenty of people saying that if you don't force people into the exchanges right away the costs are going to immediately spike.

Then there are plenty of people saying that only making good on the "you can keep your insurance" promise for one year isn't keeping the promise at all. There was never a time limit on it.
 
2013-11-17 01:38:27 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: So he complained because the insurance companies are worried that Obama's proposed exception could cut into their profits.  He was basically speaking as a lacky of the insurance industry, not for the good of the people.  Firing him was the right decision.

So many of the problems with the ACA stem from our for-profit health insurance model.  If we could get rid of that and go to single payer things would be much more affordable and run much more smoothly.


Yawn.
 
2013-11-17 01:41:23 PM  

BullBearMS: Bennie Crabtree: Apparently they are not supposed to sabotage the new law.

Sabotage it how?

There are plenty of people saying that if you don't force people into the exchanges right away the costs are going to immediately spike.

Then there are plenty of people saying that only making good on the "you can keep your insurance" promise for one year isn't keeping the promise at all. There was never a time limit on it.


That would be a silly argument, since insurance companies cancel and change policies all the time. Unless the argument is that the federal government was going to force insurance companies to offer those old policies forever.
 
2013-11-17 01:44:09 PM  
So, we get a public option now?
 
2013-11-17 01:50:07 PM  

Heraclitus: So, we get a public option now?


If only...

This is America, we will have to try everything but the most sensible solution first.
 
2013-11-17 01:51:47 PM  

Notabunny: That would be a silly argument, since insurance companies cancel and change policies all the time.


Take it up with the Democrats in the Senate.

Senate Democrats up for re-election in 2014 weren't satisfied Thursday with President Barack Obama's one-year administrative fix for insurance cancellations under Obamacare and demanded a legislative solution to go further.

"The president's announcement this morning was a great first step and we will probably need legislation to make it stick," said Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), who has proposed legislation with five other Democrats to force insurance companies to let people keep their policies permanently if they want to.

Liberal Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR), who has co-sponsored Landrieu's bill, told TPM that Obama's move "doesn't go as far as I'd like it to go but it's a step in the right direction."

Sen. Kay Hagan (D-NC) also called the move "a step in the right direction" but likewise declared that "a one-year fix is not enough, and we need to do more."

Sen. Mark Begich (D-AK) told TPM he prefers a bill by Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO) to let people keep their insurance plans for two years. He added shortly after on CNN, "I think we have to move forward on the legislative plan." Obama's plan, he said, "is only as far as I can see, only a year long. I think, again, I think it's not enough, but it's a step."

"It's a step in the right direction and I'm not going to comment further on it," Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), who backs Udall's bill, told TPM before entering a Democratic caucus meeting.
 
2013-11-17 01:55:42 PM  

Notabunny: TuteTibiImperes: So he complained because the insurance companies are worried that Obama's proposed exception could cut into their profits.  He was basically speaking as a lacky of the insurance industry, not for the good of the people.  Firing him was the right decision.

So many of the problems with the ACA stem from our for-profit health insurance model.  If we could get rid of that and go to single payer things would be much more affordable and run much more smoothly.

I've never understood why healthcare should be a for-profit industry. It's an obvious conflict of interest with no benefit to the sick. I've never understood why employers should be saddled with funding and administering healthcare packages. It's an obviously wasteful inefficiency with no benefit to shareholders.


Because otherwise it's soshulizim, and we can't be having that around here.
 
2013-11-17 01:57:50 PM  
You're not supposed to stir up trouble on the plantation.
 
2013-11-17 02:03:43 PM  
Don't be the first one to stop clapping.
 
2013-11-17 02:04:51 PM  
Guess he supported the flip when he should have supported the flop.
 
2013-11-17 02:04:59 PM  

SlothB77: A DC insurance commissioner under vincent gray?  Not a tea bagger by any means.

He's right, the fix won't work.  It will probably make things worse.


It's not going to do anything, because congress won't alter the law, and even if they did, the insurance companies won't revive those plans... If they wanted those plans to be available, they'd undertaken the effort to grandfather them.

They're just pissed because they overplayed their hand with all the "Obama made us do this!!!" bullshiat, and his statement puts the ball back in their court and lays the burden of cancelling those plans at their feet... right where it belongs.
 
2013-11-17 02:05:23 PM  

BullBearMS: Notabunny: That would be a silly argument, since insurance companies cancel and change policies all the time.

Take it up with the Democrats in the Senate.


Silly it is!
 
2013-11-17 02:16:43 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Lionel Mandrake: Next, Balrog al-Fartb0ng0 will throw his White ass in jail.

In all seriousness, this seems a bit fishy.  I thought the mayor of DC had a basically ceremonial position.  Does he still get to appoint commissioners?

Congress controls the money for DC, so the mayors job consists of a lot of begging.

coke, hookers, and blowjobs.
 
2013-11-17 02:17:09 PM  

technicolor-misfit: They're just pissed because they overplayed their hand with all the "Obama made us do this!!!" bullshiat, and his statement puts the ball back in their court and lays the burden of cancelling those plans at their feet... right where it belongs.


WTF are you talking about?

The only reason Obama can claim a fix for "keeping your plan if you like it" through regulation instead of legislation is that his regulations forced the cancellation of the plans in the first place.

Trying to push everyone onto the exchanges immediately was not accidental.

If they can't get enough healthy young people onto the exchanges as quickly as possible, the exchange prices go through the roof.
 
2013-11-17 02:19:36 PM  

rewind2846: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Linux_Yes: spongeboob: I'm sure he can find a home at Fox news
White said he thought he would have been derelict in his duties to not quickly make a statement on the president's announcement.

They are always looking for people to quickly make statements about the president's announcements.


History teaches us that its best to speak before thinking and always jump to predisposed conclusions before mulling things over.

Pointing out the obvious is a dangerous thing to do in Washington DC.

That may be so, but it's even more dangerous for people who don't understand the concept of "what happens next" as taught by Sesame Street.

Think first, then say.
Think first, then do.
Think first.




Is it the truth?
Will this negatively impact Obama?
If Yes, then lie.
If No, then remain quiet.
 
2013-11-17 02:28:37 PM  
Impeach!
 
2013-11-17 02:30:49 PM  

BullBearMS: Bennie Crabtree: Apparently they are not supposed to sabotage the new law.

Sabotage it how?

There are plenty of people saying that if you don't force people into the exchanges right away the costs are going to immediately spike.

Then there are plenty of people saying that only making good on the "you can keep your insurance" promise for one year isn't keeping the promise at all. There was never a time limit on it.


You know how you make desegregation of schools better for white people and worse for African Americans? You desegregate the students by moving the AA to white schools, but fire tens of thousands of African American teachers, then give integration funding to schools that were previously white-only, so they get improvements. You know how you make health insurance better for the rich and worse for the poor? You put the poor into insurance pools with some wealthy people, sop the pools and the insurance coverage are stronger, but you keep the old pools with lowered risk, and you do nothing to change the wealthy insurance companies that are in charge. It's a weak analogy but I think it broadly fits what's going on here. "Keep your insurance" is the same as saying "Keep the school board segregated even when the students are integrated."
 
2013-11-17 02:36:15 PM  

BullBearMS: The only reason Obama can claim a fix for "keeping your plan if you like it" through regulation instead of legislation is that his regulations forced the cancellation of the plans in the first place.


Actually, the regulations didn't force any cancellations whatsoever.  The insurance companies could have upgraded those plans to meet the regulations.  Instead, they chose to cancel them and then tried to say it was the ACA's fault that they were cancelling the plans.

If your boss tells you to do a better job or get fired and you decide to walk off the job, it's not your boss' fault that you decided to quit instead of working to meet minimum requirements.
 
2013-11-17 02:42:21 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Impeach!


It's the only thing left, after the dems "re-niged"
 
2013-11-17 02:45:51 PM  
Chicago politics as usual.

Keep moving nothing to see here.
 
2013-11-17 02:46:13 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Actually, the regulations didn't force any cancellations whatsoever. The insurance companies could have upgraded those plans to meet the regulations. Instead, they chose to cancel them and then tried to say it was the ACA's fault that they were cancelling the plans.


If the regulations didn't force the cancellations it would not be possible for Obama to fix the problem without changing the law.

Multiple fact checker websites have already pointed this out when Obama first started trying to blame the insurance companies for the effects of his regulations.

The administration is defending this pledge with a rather slim reed - that there is nothing in the law that makes insurance companies force people out of plans they were enrolled in before the law passed. That explanation conveniently ignores the regulations written by the administration to implement the law.
 
2013-11-17 02:52:44 PM  

SlothB77: A DC insurance commissioner under vincent gray?  Not a tea bagger by any means.

He's right, the fix won't work.  It will probably make things worse.


What!! You don't think the insurance companies can turn on a dime and undo all the preparations that has taken the last 3 years getting ready for the ACA switch and redo everything in just a couple of weeks?

You must be a racist redneck gun-loving bible thumper.
 
2013-11-17 03:00:11 PM  

ko_kyi: Don't be the first one to stop clapping.


Or else the conservatives will shoot you?  His comments were critical of the fix that the GOP is demanding.
 
2013-11-17 03:00:20 PM  

BullBearMS: The only reason Obama can claim a fix for "keeping your plan if you like it" through regulation instead of legislation is that his regulations forced the cancellation of the plans in the first place


Um, no.
 
2013-11-17 03:00:55 PM  

Tyee: Chicago politics as usual.

Keep moving nothing to see here.


This happened in DC.
 
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