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(AZ Family)   In case you needed one more reason to stay the hell away from Arizona, the flesh-eating drug Krokodil has made its way there   (azfamily.com) divider line 92
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2013-11-17 09:29:19 AM
Yeah, Arizona is terrible, what with the mild winters, beautiful scenery, and lack of people. It's just a complete nightmare. Give me Brooklyn and artisanal LP shops run by cross dressing snobs, any day.
 
2013-11-17 09:31:10 AM

nickdaisy: Yeah, Arizona is terrible, what with the mild winters, beautiful scenery, and lack of people. It's just a complete nightmare. Give me Brooklyn and artisanal LP shops run by cross dressing snobs, any day.


You forgot xenophobic, bigoted snowbirds voting for ignroant hillbilly GOP politiicans, but I am sure that was just an oversight on your part.
 
2013-11-17 09:33:12 AM
This is old news. Last article I read about krokodil was about how users had been found Illinois,Ohio,Oklahoma and Canada.
 
2013-11-17 09:34:14 AM

coeyagi: nickdaisy: Yeah, Arizona is terrible, what with the mild winters, beautiful scenery, and lack of people. It's just a complete nightmare. Give me Brooklyn and artisanal LP shops run by cross dressing snobs, any day.

You forgot xenophobic, bigoted snowbirds voting for ignroant hillbilly GOP politiicans, but I am sure that was just an oversight on your part.


LIES! Arizona is beautiful, and just like California except all the parts Californians hate!

/Oregonian
 
2013-11-17 09:37:11 AM
What's the big deal with this drug?  It seems to be a self correcting problem.
 
2013-11-17 09:37:34 AM
I hope I don't accidentally take some!
 
2013-11-17 09:38:11 AM
WHERE DO I GET SOME OF THIS MAGICAL DRUG?!?
 
2013-11-17 09:39:55 AM
It's like Darwin on meth
 
2013-11-17 09:42:06 AM
I say the more the better!  Whoever is stupid enough to inject themselves with gasoline and kerosene knowing what it will do deserve to die.
 
2013-11-17 09:42:48 AM
Can't be worse than alcohol.  Just legalize it.  Should solve the problem and balance the federal budget.
 
2013-11-17 09:48:09 AM
This is great news.  When you go to pick up someone at the bar, you will be able to tell if they have a heroine problem right away.   Means fewer mornings waking up to discover your date gone, and the flat screen missing.
 
2013-11-17 09:48:15 AM
It's like leprosy, except ironic.
 
2013-11-17 09:50:40 AM
Where can I get some? I've always wanted to fight Batman.
static.comicvine.com
 
2013-11-17 09:51:38 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: This is great news.  When you go to pick up someone at the bar, you will be able to tell if they have a heroine problem right away.   Means fewer mornings waking up to discover your date gone, and the flat screen missing.


Also, if you thought a crack whore was cheap...
 
2013-11-17 09:52:30 AM
Too bad we can't treat addiction as a disease. Desperation leads people to do stupid things.
 
2013-11-17 09:52:56 AM
What I don't get about the whole thing is that you have to codeine to make this shiat and codeine isn't sold over the counter in the US which means these people are either getting codeine scripts or buying them off the street. Hell if you're getting prescribed or buying opiates/opioids why not aim for hydrocodone or oxycodone? At least your flesh won't rot off.
 
2013-11-17 09:55:14 AM

nickdaisy: Yeah, Arizona is terrible, what with the mild winters, beautiful scenery, and lack of people. It's just a complete nightmare. Give me Brooklyn and artisanal LP shops run by cross dressing snobs, any day.


Lol, if you live in Arizona, you live in an area dominated by xenophobic hatreds and bigots. Bigots such as those who give a shiat about the gender identity of a record shop owner, for instance.
 
2013-11-17 09:55:46 AM

debug: What's the big deal with this drug?  It seems to be a self correcting problem.


I think the major problem is it's being sold as heroin, so junkies are taking it and thinking it's heroin when it's not.

/yes, I know, heroin is idiotic, too
 
2013-11-17 09:56:06 AM
Was that article written by a 10 year old?

And annoyingly, one of the inaccuracies is the strength, by claiming it's 10x the strength of heroin, they're likely to get more people trying it.

If it weren't for claims like that, no one here would be tempted to try it, since it's easier to get real heroin than this here, since codeine is a prescription drug here and isn't in Russia.
 
2013-11-17 09:56:27 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: This is great news. When you go to pick up someone at the bar, you will be able to tell if they have a heroine problem


This typo always makes me laugh.  Someone should make a female superhero movie called "The Heroine Problem".
 
2013-11-17 09:57:47 AM

Prophet of Loss: Too bad we can't treat addiction as a disease. treatable illness. Desperation leads people to do stupid things.


Please don't even bring that word up, lest you unleash the hounds of "addicts are nothing but people who lack willpower, let them die on the streets!"

But to be fair, addiction is a lot harder to treat than physical illness. It takes longer, you can't just give someone a pill or an operation. It's like you have to take into account a person's mental health too. And what sort of highly-evolved society does that?
 
2013-11-17 09:59:24 AM

A Terrible Human: What I don't get about the whole thing is that you have to codeine to make this shiat and codeine isn't sold over the counter in the US which means these people are either getting codeine scripts or buying them off the street. Hell if you're getting prescribed or buying opiates/opioids why not aim for hydrocodone or oxycodone? At least your flesh won't rot off.


There's been a huge crackdown on prescription drug abuse, but all it's really done is create a market for heroin. Krokodil is cheaper to make and looks like heroin, so the junkies are being duped into buying something that is seriously toxic versus something only moderately toxic.

The obvious solution is "don't be a drug addict."
 
2013-11-17 09:59:51 AM
I am certain the good ol' American ingenuity will find a way to purify and potentiate it to make it even more addictive.
 
2013-11-17 10:02:42 AM
Drugs are now officially like office-sex; they can happen to you just like that.
 
2013-11-17 10:05:16 AM

debug: What's the big deal with this drug?  It seems to be a self correcting problem.


this
 
2013-11-17 10:06:10 AM
Yes. This is much better than giving hardcore junkies access to clean, affordable opiates and a safe place to do them with medical help/treatment programs on site should they choose to quit.
 
2013-11-17 10:07:22 AM

cryinoutloud: Prophet of Loss: Too bad we can't treat addiction as a disease. treatable illness. Desperation leads people to do stupid things.

Please don't even bring that word up, lest you unleash the hounds of "addicts are nothing but people who lack willpower, let them die on the streets!"


Yeah, because there is no middle ground between, "addicts are just lacking willpower" and "addiction is a disease; these people have no power over a cunning, powerful, and baffling drug".  Maybe "people who are addicted to that point have some serious mental issues that they need to work to get over, but let's not compare it to cancer and leukemia or things that people have absolutely no farking control over"
 
2013-11-17 10:07:56 AM

nickdaisy: Yeah, Arizona is terrible, what with the mild winters, beautiful scenery, and lack of people. It's just a complete nightmare. Give me Brooklyn and artisanal LP shops run by cross dressing snobs, any day.


The problem with Arizona is it's inhabited by Arizonians.
The state is great, the people arn't.
 
2013-11-17 10:08:43 AM
Hey I support this drug, whatever junkie is stupid enough to use it deserves a slow and painful death.
 
2013-11-17 10:10:26 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Some Coke Drinking Guy: This is great news. When you go to pick up someone at the bar, you will be able to tell if they have a heroine problem

This typo always makes me laugh.  Someone should make a female superhero movie called "The Heroine Problem".


I'll get right on it.
 
2013-11-17 10:15:39 AM

pueblonative: but let's not compare it to... things that people have absolutely no farking control over"


Haven't met very many hardcore junkies, have you?

Here's some insight. VERY few people CHOOSE to be junkies. They may have made some bad decisions to get to that point in life but once you are there it is EXACTLY like a chronic disease for most.

Yes there are people who have managed to kick on their own but it is not only rare it is REALLY dangerous.
 
2013-11-17 10:16:43 AM

pueblonative: Yeah, because there is no middle ground between, "addicts are just lacking willpower" and "addiction is a disease; these people have no power over a cunning, powerful, and baffling drug".  Maybe "people who are addicted to that point have some serious mental issues that they need to work to get over, but let's not compare it to cancer and leukemia or things that people have absolutely no farking control over"


Are you new here? It's Fark, there's no "middle ground" on anything.

I'm a recovered addict, so I've been in those fights. We're on the same side.
 
2013-11-17 10:16:49 AM

nickdaisy: Yeah, Arizona is terrible, what with the mild winters, beautiful scenery, and lack of people. It's just a complete nightmare. Give me Brooklyn and artisanal LP shops run by cross dressing snobs, any day.


The only thing I didn't like about Arizona is the people there seem to have two speeds. Slow-motion and Super-slow-motion. For someone that grew up and lived most of my life in Chicago, it was quite a culture shock.
 
2013-11-17 10:17:43 AM

Dog Welder: A Terrible Human: What I don't get about the whole thing is that you have to codeine to make this shiat and codeine isn't sold over the counter in the US which means these people are either getting codeine scripts or buying them off the street. Hell if you're getting prescribed or buying opiates/opioids why not aim for hydrocodone or oxycodone? At least your flesh won't rot off.

There's been a huge crackdown on prescription drug abuse, but all it's really done is create a market for heroin. Krokodil is cheaper to make and looks like heroin, so the junkies are being duped into buying something that is seriously toxic versus something only moderately toxic.

The obvious solution is "don't be a drug addict."


I know about the crackdown on prescription drug abuse. I live in a state and in a county where before they passed the bill to get rid of most of the pain clinics there was no heroin around and now there is. I'm betting it's easier to find heroin here than $1 a mg oxycodone. You're never going to stop people from doing drugs not even when the consequences is their farking skin rotting off.
 
2013-11-17 10:18:41 AM
images.nationalgeographic.com

high as hell
 
2013-11-17 10:19:12 AM

here to help: Yes. This is much better than giving hardcore junkies access to clean, affordable opiates and a safe place to do them with medical help/treatment programs on site should they choose to quit.


fark 'em. They take a substance that they think makes them feel better. Who cares if it's addictive, you're just enabling them for their mistakes.

If you give cheap access to clean drugs who in their drug addled mind will ever quit?
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-11-17 10:19:36 AM

A Terrible Human: What I don't get about the whole thing is that you have to codeine to make this shiat and codeine isn't sold over the counter in the US which means these people are either getting codeine scripts or buying them off the street.


Through seven years of hard drug use, I only ran into someone with codeine once.  I haven't heard of anyone being prescribed codeine pills.  Codeine is mostly used as an anti-tussive - and codeine/promethazine syrup seems to have that cinched up, with Tussionex (hydrocodone suspension) taking care of the serious cases.

Where are Americans getting codeine?
And if they can get it, can they not get hydrocodone?  or ANYTHING OTHER THAN KROKODIL?*

*krokodil is desomorphine with contaminants from synthesis left behind - just in case that's not common knowledge yet
 
2013-11-17 10:20:20 AM
FTFA: Gatewood is testing the two samples from Arizona patients in an effort to learn if what they took was actually krokodil. Patient privacy laws mean information is tightly guarded, but Gatewood was able to share some of his general findings.
"What we found was the patients had high levels of drugs that were not related to the new drug, the krokodil," he said.

. . .

OK. So not a problem, I guess.
 
2013-11-17 10:20:34 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Some Coke Drinking Guy: This is great news. When you go to pick up someone at the bar, you will be able to tell if they have a heroine problem

This typo always makes me laugh.  Someone should make a female superhero movie called "The Heroine Problem".


The subject matter has been covered.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-17 10:20:47 AM

Dedmon: nickdaisy: Yeah, Arizona is terrible, what with the mild winters, beautiful scenery, and lack of people. It's just a complete nightmare. Give me Brooklyn and artisanal LP shops run by cross dressing snobs, any day.

Lol, if you live in Arizona, you live in an area dominated by xenophobic hatreds and bigots. Bigots such as those who give a shiat about the gender identity of a record shop owner, for instance.


What are you babbling about, Mr. "Dude who's never been to Arizona"?
 
2013-11-17 10:23:29 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Some Coke Drinking Guy: This is great news. When you go to pick up someone at the bar, you will be able to tell if they have a heroine problem

This typo always makes me laugh.  Someone should make a female superhero movie called "The Heroine Problem".


It's already a popular play on words among feminist bloggers.
 
2013-11-17 10:25:03 AM

433: A Terrible Human: What I don't get about the whole thing is that you have to codeine to make this shiat and codeine isn't sold over the counter in the US which means these people are either getting codeine scripts or buying them off the street.

Through seven years of hard drug use, I only ran into someone with codeine once.  I haven't heard of anyone being prescribed codeine pills.  Codeine is mostly used as an anti-tussive - and codeine/promethazine syrup seems to have that cinched up, with Tussionex (hydrocodone suspension) taking care of the serious cases.

Where are Americans getting codeine?
And if they can get it, can they not get hydrocodone?  or ANYTHING OTHER THAN KROKODIL?*

*krokodil is desomorphine with contaminants from synthesis left behind - just in case that's not common knowledge yet


I've been using drugs for longer than that and I've yet to run into anyone who has had codeine/had access to codeine/had the desire to do codeine. Hydrocodone,oxycodone,morphine,hydromorphone yes but never codeine. Hell the only prescription syrup I've seen has been Tussionex,why waste time with codeine when hydro can do the job better?
 
2013-11-17 10:25:56 AM

here to help: pueblonative: but let's not compare it to... things that people have absolutely no farking control over"

Haven't met very many hardcore junkies, have you?

Here's some insight. VERY few people CHOOSE to be junkies. They may have made some bad decisions to get to that point in life but once you are there it is EXACTLY like a chronic disease for most.


So the needle just happened to bury itself in their veins?  Was it like some sort of comic magnet that you see in the cartoons that dragged them screaming and clawing at everything stationary they could right down that alley?  I'm not saying they don't have issues (in fact, I did before you selectively did a cutcopypasta job on the quote), and there's a lot more than just doing a Nancy Reagan "just say no", but my family members didn't regularly inject themselves with something they knew would cause breast cancer (and to head off this argument before it starts, they weren't cigarettes).   Calling addiction a disease just gives the hoodoo witch doctors we call "12 step experts" a paycheck stuffed with government and health care funds, but surprisingly holds no accountability when their patients relapse.
 
2013-11-17 10:26:35 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Dedmon: nickdaisy: Yeah, Arizona is terrible, what with the mild winters, beautiful scenery, and lack of people. It's just a complete nightmare. Give me Brooklyn and artisanal LP shops run by cross dressing snobs, any day.

Lol, if you live in Arizona, you live in an area dominated by xenophobic hatreds and bigots. Bigots such as those who give a shiat about the gender identity of a record shop owner, for instance.

What are you babbling about, Mr. "Dude who's never been to Arizona"?


Gee, I don't know, Mr. My-Governor-And-Lawmakers-Are-Bigoted-Assholes-Which-Means-So-Are-The- Voters.

You know how I know that you don't follow anything but the Sports page?
 
2013-11-17 10:27:18 AM

Tr0mBoNe: here to help: Yes. This is much better than giving hardcore junkies access to clean, affordable opiates and a safe place to do them with medical help/treatment programs on site should they choose to quit.

fark 'em. They take a substance that they think makes them feel better. Who cares if it's addictive, you're just enabling them for their mistakes.

If you give cheap access to clean drugs who in their drug addled mind will ever quit?


You keep talking up sobriety and exercise, eventually some of them will try it. It's awesome, you know, you feel actually pretty good all the time. None of the low dips like with other drugs.
 
2013-11-17 10:29:09 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Some Coke Drinking Guy: This is great news. When you go to pick up someone at the bar, you will be able to tell if they have a heroine problem

This typo always makes me laugh.  Someone should make a female superhero movie called "The Heroine Problem".


What, she goes around smacking crime?
 
2013-11-17 10:31:50 AM

Dedmon: nickdaisy: Yeah, Arizona is terrible, what with the mild winters, beautiful scenery, and lack of people. It's just a complete nightmare. Give me Brooklyn and artisanal LP shops run by cross dressing snobs, any day.

Lol, if you live in the Northeast, you live in an area dominated by xenophobic hatreds and bigots. Bigots such as those who assume everyone in Arizona are rednecks, for instance.


FTFY
 
2013-11-17 10:32:02 AM
As I understand it krokodil itself has no 'flesh-eating' effects, rather that's the gasoline it's frequently adulterated with because the victims have no legal recourse when they discover their purchase is intentionally contaminated to increase profit margins. The necrotic effects of krokodil are a function of the black market spawned by its illegality.
 
2013-11-17 10:34:09 AM
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2013-11-17 10:34:33 AM
I've said this before (maybe here or not), and I'll say it again (didn't RTFM). The proliferation of krokodil is a testament to the failure of the drug war. The reality is that people will always want to get high, and if they can't pursue their highs in a (comparatively) safe and legal manners, they'll go for the next (worse) thing. If recreational drugs are legalized, they can be manufactured in (comparatively) safer environments, or at least subject to certain quality control standards to at least reduce the harm that comes with drug use, as well as curbing HIV/Hepatitis infection from shared needles due to free needle exchange sites.
 
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