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2013-11-16 07:40:28 PM
Of course, he then proceeds to miss the obvious explanation:

Oswald: "You want me to shoot JFK? I'll do it."

Moscow: "Nyet! We don't want to start a war!"

Oswald: "Really - it's no problem. Bang bang! Dead."

Moscow: "Nyet! Johnson is not better for us."

Oswald: "Seriously - you can just blame the CIA!"

Moscow: "Ny- wait, hmmm... NYET! Johnson is not better for us!"

Oswald: "Fine! I'll do it anyway! Bite me!"
 
2013-11-16 08:02:23 PM

vygramul: Of course, he then proceeds to miss the obvious explanation:

Oswald: "You want me to shoot JFK? I'll do it."

Moscow: "Nyet! We don't want to start a war!"

Oswald: "Really - it's no problem. Bang bang! Dead."

Moscow: "Nyet! Johnson is not better for us."

Oswald: "Seriously - you can just blame the CIA!"

Moscow: "Ny- wait, hmmm... NYET! Johnson is not better for us!"

Oswald: "Fine! I'll do it anyway! Bite me!"


Which leaves the not insignificant matter of Jack Ruby unexplained.

The only way Jack Ruby shoots Oswald is if the mob wants him to.  The mob was PISSED that Bobby went after them after they delivered Illinois.  There's no direct evidence?  Well that's the whole point.

The FBI didn't dismantle the mob during the 1960's is no accident.

Also, the single bullet?  That was found ON A GURNEY and not even INSIDE A BODY?  That was COMPLETELY UNSCATHED after breaking bones and tearing flesh?  That is A number one horse shiat.  That's also the mob's signature.
 
2013-11-16 08:08:55 PM
Here's the magic bullet that struck two bodies, went through JFK's neck and broke Connelly's wrist:
upload.wikimedia.org

I've been shooting rifles for over 40 years, and I have never seen a round fired downrange that did not have the nose deformed following impact.
 
2013-11-16 08:37:45 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Here's the magic bullet that struck two bodies, went through JFK's neck and broke Connelly's wrist:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x599]

I've been shooting rifles for over 40 years, and I have never seen a round fired downrange that did not have the nose deformed following impact.


The CIA and Mob have never ever fired a gun, or thought no one else did. Would YOU plant that?

The very fact it exists should be proof of it not being a conspiracy. No one would be that pathetic. Only the random weirdnesses that occur with bullets can account for that. Or they're total farking morons.
 
2013-11-16 08:40:31 PM
The motorcade passes the Texas School Book Depository and moves slowly toward the Triple
Underpass. At the sixth- floor window, Lee Harvey Oswald sights carefully through the Carcano-Mannlicher: his mouth is dry, desert dry. But his heartbeat is normal; and no sweat stands out on his
forehead. This is the moment, he is thinking, the one moment transcending time and hazard, heredity
and environment, the final test and proof of free will and of my right to call myself a man. In this
moment, now, as I tighten the trigger, the Tyrant dies, and with him all the lies of a cruel,
mendacious epoch. It is a supreme exaltation, this moment and this knowledge: and yet his mouth is
dry, dust -dry, dry as death, as if his salivary glands alone rebelled against the murder which his
intellect pronounced necessary and just. Now: He recalls the military formula BASS: Breathe, Aim,
Slack, Squeeze. He breathes, he aims, he slacks, he starts to squeeze, as a dog barks suddenly -
And his mouth falls open in astonishment as three shots ring out, obviously from the direction of the
Grassy Knoll and Triple Underpass.

"Son- of-a -biatch," he said, softly as a prayer. And he began to grin, a rictus not of omnipotence such
as he had expected but of something different and unexpected and therefore better - omniscience. That
smirk appeared in all the photos during the next day and a half, before his own death, a sneering
smile that said so clearly that none dared to read it: I know something you don't know. That grimace
only faded Sunday morning when Jack Ruby pumped two bullets into Lee's frail fanatic body, and its
secret went with him to the grave.

----

Harry Coin curls his long body into a knot of tension, resting on his elbows and sighting the
Remington rifle carefully, as the motorcade passes the Book Depository and heads toward his perch
on the triple underpass. He could see Bernard Barker from the CIA down on the grassy knoll. If he
carried this off right, they promised him more jobs; it would be the end of petty crime for him, the
beginning of big -time money. In a way he was sorry: Kennedy seemed like a nice enough young
fellow-Harry would like to make it with both him and that hot-looking wife of his at the same
time - but money talks and sentiment is only for fools. He released the bolt action, ignoring the
sudden barking of a dog, and took aim - just as the three shots resounded from the grassy knoll.
"Jesus Motherfarkin' Christ," he said; and then he caught the glint of the rifle in the Book Depository
window. Great God Almighty, how the fark many of us are there here?" he cried out, scampering to
his feet and starting to run.

---

"You mean . . . you mean . . . Did Oswald really do it? Did he shoot before you?"
"No, no," Volpe is miserable. "Let me explain it as clearly as I can. I'm there on top of the Dallas
County Records Building like we planned, see? The motorcade turns onto Elm and heads for the
underpass. I use my magnifying sight, swinging the whole gun around to look through it, just to
make one last check that I have all the Feds spotted. When I face the School Book Depository, I
catch this rifle. That was Oswald, I guess. Then I check out the grassy knoll and, goddam, there's
another cat with a rifle. I just went cold. I couldn't figure it out. While I'm in this state, like a zombie,
a dog barks and just then the guy in the grassy knoll calm and cool as if he was at a shooting range
lays three of them right into the car. That's it," Volpe ends miserably. "I can't take the money. The . .
. Brotherhood . . . would have my ass if they ever found out the truth."
Maldonado sat silently, rubbing his famous nose as he did when making a hard decision. "You're a
good boy, Bennie. I give you ten percent of the money, just for being honest. We need more honest
young boys like you in the Brotherhood."
Volpe swallowed again, and said, "There's one more thing I oughta tell you. I went down to the
grassy knoll, after the cops run from there to the School Book Depository. I thought I might find the
guy who did the shooting still hanging around and tell you what he looked like. He was long gone,
though. But here's what so spooky. I ran into another galoot; who was sneaking down from the triple
underpass. Long, skinny guy with buck teeth, kind of reminded me of a python or some kind of
snake. He just looks at me and my umbrella and guesses what's in it
His mouth falls open. 'Jesus Christ and his black bastard brother Harry,' he says, 'how the fark many
people does it take to kill a President these days?'"
 
2013-11-16 08:41:23 PM
Jackie shot first!
 
2013-11-16 08:49:44 PM
My great uncle signed the death certificate of Lee Harvey Oswald.
 
2013-11-16 09:00:27 PM
Doesn't mention The Last Confession of E. Howard Hunt?

Yes, I know it links to freep but the copy on Rolling Stone is behind the paywall.
 
2013-11-16 09:23:59 PM

vygramul: Marcus Aurelius: Here's the magic bullet that struck two bodies, went through JFK's neck and broke Connelly's wrist:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x599]

I've been shooting rifles for over 40 years, and I have never seen a round fired downrange that did not have the nose deformed following impact.

The CIA and Mob have never ever fired a gun, or thought no one else did. Would YOU plant that?

The very fact it exists should be proof of it not being a conspiracy. No one would be that pathetic. Only the random weirdnesses that occur with bullets can account for that. Or they're total farking morons.


It's the universal application of the "Somebody Else's Problem" field that Douglas Adams captured in his "Guide to the Galaxy" documentary.
 
2013-11-16 09:29:48 PM

texdent: My great uncle signed the death certificate of Lee Harvey Oswald.


This.
 
2013-11-16 09:30:23 PM

texdent: My great uncle signed the death certificate of Lee Harvey Oswald.


Is.
 
2013-11-16 09:30:37 PM

texdent: My great uncle signed the death certificate of Lee Harvey Oswald.


So you're saying he's really dead then.
 
2013-11-16 09:31:01 PM

texdent: My great uncle signed the death certificate of Lee Harvey Oswald.


Happening.
 
2013-11-16 09:31:23 PM
I didn't have the attention span to read the whole thing.  It was aliens, wasn't it?
 
2013-11-16 09:32:46 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Here's the magic bullet that struck two bodies, went through JFK's neck and broke Connelly's wrist:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x599]

I've been shooting rifles for over 40 years, and I have never seen a round fired downrange that did not have the nose deformed following impact.


That nose looks deformed to me...
 
2013-11-16 09:35:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Here's the magic bullet that struck two bodies, went through JFK's neck and broke Connelly's wrist:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x599]

I've been shooting rifles for over 40 years, and I have never seen a round fired downrange that did not have the nose deformed following impact.


Nova did a whole show on this the other day. You should watch it, as it was pretty interesting.
 
2013-11-16 09:36:34 PM
Pretty sure Saint Reagan shot JFK. Just part of his plan to win the Presidency and become a full-time arms/drugs dealer.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-16 09:37:24 PM
Was this guy related to that total hottie who crashed that small plane off of martha's vineyard a few years ago?
 
2013-11-16 09:38:27 PM
Unless they can link a shooter at the scene to the CIA, that theory is as weak as any other.
 
2013-11-16 09:39:32 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Here's the magic bullet that struck two bodies, went through JFK's neck and broke Connelly's wrist:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x599]

I've been shooting rifles for over 40 years, and I have never seen a round fired downrange that did not have the nose deformed following impact.


Go watch the recent NOVA episode about the JFK assassination. They address this very issue.

Watch it, right now: http://video.pbs.org/video/2365118537

The short form is that the bullet wasn't flying straight. This kind of bullet yawed and flew sideways once it went through Kennedy's neck. It's compressed a little lengthwise and they found some lead in the other guy's hand.
 
2013-11-16 09:39:35 PM
I couldn't be bothered to read the whole article.  Which conspiracy can't they debunk?

I skimmed it.  I saw where they said most Texans thought LBJ was a crook.  (Wanna guess why?  Because he was)

There's a story about LBJ that I read in a Hunter S. Thompson book.  Legend has it that before he made it big in politics he was running in some lower political election.  He told his campaign manager to spread a rumor that his opponent like to fark sheep. His campaign manager was incredulous and said "Nobody will believe that!"  LBJ replied that he knew that, but he wanted to make his opponent deny it.
 
2013-11-16 09:40:50 PM
Remember folks, your political leaders and others in government only lie about the small things. Often when they lie it's for the benefit of the people because the truth could result in a loss of confidence in the government. They only cheat in little ways. They never talk to one another and plan things for their mutual benefit and the benefit of their friends outside government. They are selfless servants only interested in what is best for the people, not themselves, not their desires, not their ambitions, only what's best for you, the little people of the US of A. And when they do something that's wrong they do it with the purest of motives for the benefit of the nation. To bring about their ideas of utopia for the benefit of all Americans.

With all this in mind, there is no doubt that Lee Harvey Oswald pulled off with astounding athleticism an incredible feat of shooting with a craptacular rifle. And Oswald, being a dedicated american himself did this act because he felt it would be the best thing for the nation.

After LBJs legacy of a modern welfare-warfare state, who can argue that we aren't better off?
 
2013-11-16 09:43:56 PM
The only way Jack Ruby shoots Oswald is if the mob wants him to.  The mob was PISSED that Bobby went after them after they delivered Illinois.  There's no direct evidence?  Well that's the whole point.

Ruby was not connected to the Mob, and everyone who knew him described him a a blabbermouth; he wouldn't be useful as any part of a conspiracy because he could never keep his mouth shut.
 
2013-11-16 09:44:53 PM
Remember folks, citizens never lie, and their made-up theories are honest-to-goodness convictions from the heart.
 
2013-11-16 09:45:02 PM
L. Ron Hubbard did it.

With the help of aliens of course.
 
2013-11-16 09:45:08 PM
The CIA and the FBI coverup was solely to protect the honor of the CIA and FBI, being that they both had lots of data on Oswald.
 
2013-11-16 09:45:45 PM

trappedspirit: texdent: My great uncle signed the death certificate of Lee Harvey Oswald.

This.


trappedspirit: texdent: My great uncle signed the death certificate of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Is.


trappedspirit: texdent: My great uncle signed the death certificate of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Happening.


again?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-11-16 09:46:32 PM

nytmare: Remember folks, citizens never lie, and their made-up theories are honest-to-goodness convictions from the heart.


without good citizens we could never have a pure untainted government of good people.
 
2013-11-16 09:46:45 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-16 09:48:25 PM
A dingo et your JFK!
 
2013-11-16 09:48:59 PM
img.fark.net

/ Just sayin'
 
2013-11-16 09:49:09 PM
 
2013-11-16 09:49:27 PM

JonBuck: Marcus Aurelius: Here's the magic bullet that struck two bodies, went through JFK's neck and broke Connelly's wrist:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x599]

I've been shooting rifles for over 40 years, and I have never seen a round fired downrange that did not have the nose deformed following impact.

Go watch the recent NOVA episode about the JFK assassination. They address this very issue.

Watch it, right now: http://video.pbs.org/video/2365118537

The short form is that the bullet wasn't flying straight. This kind of bullet yawed and flew sideways once it went through Kennedy's neck. It's compressed a little lengthwise and they found some lead in the other guy's hand.



Yep, I just watched that Nova documentary. VERY persuasive. Totally destroys all arguments that the bullet should've sustained more damage.
 
2013-11-16 09:49:30 PM

nickdaisy: Was this guy related to that total hottie who crashed that small plane off of martha's vineyard a few years ago?


Yes.  His dipshiat son was married to her for four years before he decided to fly above his flight rating and drown her by crashing his plane into the ocean.
 
2013-11-16 09:49:47 PM

gfid: . His campaign manager was incredulous and said "Nobody will believe that!"  LBJ replied that he knew that, but he wanted to make his opponent deny it.


This anecdote also happened at a high school class presidency vote.
 
2013-11-16 09:50:03 PM
"He found out the CIA was trying to kill (Cuban leader Fidel) Castro, which is a fact. So the argument is that the CIA felt that Kennedy was going to disband them. And as a result of that, they were the ones that ordered the killing of Kennedy."

Does the President have the power to single-handedly disband the CIA? Wouldn't he need cooperation with Congress to do that?
 
2013-11-16 09:51:44 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: "He found out the CIA was trying to kill (Cuban leader Fidel) Castro, which is a fact. So the argument is that the CIA felt that Kennedy was going to disband them. And as a result of that, they were the ones that ordered the killing of Kennedy."

Does the President have the power to single-handedly disband the CIA? Wouldn't he need cooperation with Congress to do that?


Kennedy ordered Bay of Pigs, din'nee?  I'm just not convinced he would ever DREAM of disbanding the CIA.

/ Also, y'know, Cold War, intelligence gathering, all that...

// Commie slashies
 
2013-11-16 09:53:59 PM
I want to blame Ashton Kutcher so I'm going to. Ashton Kutcher went back in time and tried to Punk JFK. It didn't go so well. That's why the show was canceled.
 
2013-11-16 09:54:12 PM

Abox: Unless they can link a shooter at the scene to the CIA, that theory is as weak as any other.


www.rumormillnews.com
 
2013-11-16 09:56:33 PM

Therion: Abox: Unless they can link a shooter at the scene to the CIA, that theory is as weak as any other.

[www.rumormillnews.com image 300x411]


skepticalteacher.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-16 09:58:14 PM
No one has been able to duplicate Oswald shooting 3 rounds in 6 seconds with that piece of crap Italian rifle.
The scam continues.
 
2013-11-16 09:59:21 PM

Deep Contact: No one has been able to duplicate Oswald shooting 3 rounds in 6 seconds with that piece of crap Italian rifle.the big bang
The scam continues.

 
2013-11-16 09:59:55 PM

Therion: Abox: Unless they can link a shooter at the scene to the CIA, that theory is as weak as any other.

[www.rumormillnews.com image 300x411]


Also see E Howard Hunt's tape.
 
2013-11-16 10:00:01 PM

texdent: My great uncle signed the death certificate of Lee Harvey Oswald.


You know that make you part of the conspiracy.
 
2013-11-16 10:01:03 PM
www.virginmedia.com

It's obvious that JFK was killed by a shot from alt-future JFK on the grassy knoll. It was the only way to preserve the timeline.
 
2013-11-16 10:01:14 PM

Irving Maimway: Doesn't mention The Last Confession of E. Howard Hunt?

Yes, I know it links to freep but the copy on Rolling Stone is behind the paywall.


I consider that an unauthorized limited hangout by him. He was photographed in Dallas and briefly taken into custody by police, so he knew history was catching up with him. He's confessing his involvement (probably true), but labeling himself a "benchwarmer" (probably false) and laying all the blame on LBJ to protect the various patrons he loyally served. LBJ was involved, but it appears like he served a coalition of interests.
His son wrote a book about the whole episode called Bond of Secrecy. It's largely a tale of messed up family dynamics. He suspects his mother (Hunt's first wife) was murdered and Hunt's second wife is dead set against any of her husband's dirty laundry coming out.
 
2013-11-16 10:01:28 PM
I know exactly what killed JFK.

He got shot in the freakin' head.
 
2013-11-16 10:02:11 PM
i1214.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-16 10:02:23 PM

Deep Contact: No one has been able to duplicate Oswald shooting 3 rounds in 6 seconds with that piece of crap Italian rifle.
The scam continues.


It's been duplicated multiple times.
 
2013-11-16 10:02:28 PM
But there's one theory that he's not ruling out. We'll get to that in a minute.

Man, fark you. That is horrible writing.
 
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