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(Opposing Views)   It's impossible to put a price on a cop shooting your dog for no reason. One million dollars rolls off the tongue quite nicely, though   (opposingviews.com) divider line 83
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2013-11-16 03:21:00 PM
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2013-11-16 03:26:31 PM
Wonder if the taxpayers who would be footing that bill would agree.

That said, some dog shootings are justified. Some are not. This one appears not to be. The dog was already restrained, and it was not interfering with some other pressing business the officers had on the scene. According to TFA, they were there for a complaint about the dog and managed to put a catch pole around its neck. At that point, it would seem reasonable that an risk the dog posed officers is mitigated enough that deadly force would no longer be appropriate.
 
2013-11-16 03:26:53 PM
You could get thousands of new dogs for that much...
 
2013-11-16 03:27:32 PM
Was it a champion show dog that you could breed? Or maybe a trained service dog? No? You'll get nothing and like it.
 
2013-11-16 03:27:52 PM
There's always a reason, subby. Like being a dog for one.
 
2013-11-16 03:29:32 PM

whither_apophis: Was it a champion show dog that you could breed? Or maybe a trained service dog? No? You'll get nothing and like it.


Some dogs are worth more than some people.
 
2013-11-16 03:29:49 PM
Done in one.

/Satisfied
 
2013-11-16 03:32:53 PM

taurusowner: Wonder if the taxpayers who would be footing that bill would agree.

That said, some dog shootings are justified. Some are not. This one appears not to be. The dog was already restrained, and it was not interfering with some other pressing business the officers had on the scene. According to TFA, they were there for a complaint about the dog and managed to put a catch pole around its neck. At that point, it would seem reasonable that an risk the dog posed officers is mitigated enough that deadly force would no longer be appropriate.


Pretty much this - the dog is in its garage, barking at the strangers to keep them at bay. They get her in a catch pole, and now she is restrained - at like zero risk to anybody. Now that he has a controlled target, though, the police officer can execute this pooch simply because he knows he can get away with it.
 
2013-11-16 03:33:09 PM
Ummm... was the garage door stuck open?
How about closing the garage (which the dog never left)?

"When you own a hammer every problem looks like a nail."
 
2013-11-16 03:36:08 PM
10 Internet tough guy mode enabled.

20 Print "Pull that shiat at my house and we won't be resolving it in court"

30 Goto 10
 
2013-11-16 03:36:57 PM
I don't understand why the garage door wasn't shut.

It would have been contained in its own garage; the owner could have then restrained the dog if it needed to be brought to animal control. It seems that the situation wasn't handled correctly.

That being said, the owner is a jackass asking for a million dollars; but the fact that he had large dog roaming free that was being aggressive was already a sign that he was a jackass.
 
2013-11-16 03:37:36 PM
I'd rather the dumb cop be fired and never able to become anything more than a fast food worker, but a cool mil works too.
 
2013-11-16 03:38:59 PM
If the dog was restrained in the guys garage, why was it a problem?  If it made the neighbors nervous, why not leave a note for the owners to call and then demand that they keep the dog in the house or the yard?  I could see if the dog left the garage or lunged at the officers, but it was only barking.  Seriously, they totally went overboard on this one.  Should the guy get  a million dollars?  Of course not, but they need to do something to punish the officer who did the shooting.  His response to the situation was ridiculous.  And $20 to go get a new dog isn't going to cut it either.  A little common sense goes a long way.
 
2013-11-16 03:39:34 PM

Sandwyrm: whither_apophis: Was it a champion show dog that you could breed? Or maybe a trained service dog? No? You'll get nothing and like it.

Some dogs are worth more than some people.


True enough, but the courts have consistently held dogs are property and the max you get is its market value.
 
2013-11-16 03:42:17 PM
A dog would have to have a pretty serious intent to and chance of brutally killing me before I could have it in my heart to start shooting. :(

I can't really tell if that dog was caught on the pole before or after dude started pulling the trigger, but it sure looked like there were better options available.
 
2013-11-16 03:45:53 PM

whither_apophis: Sandwyrm: whither_apophis: Was it a champion show dog that you could breed? Or maybe a trained service dog? No? You'll get nothing and like it.

Some dogs are worth more than some people.

True enough, but the courts have consistently held dogs are property and the max you get is its market value.


A quick google shows you're largely correct, but it does vary by state.  Iirc, California just let an emotional distress case go forward; wasn't vs. a cop, though.

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=e03d1913-9842-4287-b11 b- 923e3846cd6c
 
2013-11-16 03:50:51 PM

whither_apophis: Sandwyrm: whither_apophis: Was it a champion show dog that you could breed? Or maybe a trained service dog? No? You'll get nothing and like it.

Some dogs are worth more than some people.

True enough, but the courts have consistently held dogs are property and the max you get is its market value.


Unless it's a police dog. Then it's different.
 
2013-11-16 03:50:53 PM

whither_apophis: Sandwyrm: whither_apophis: Was it a champion show dog that you could breed? Or maybe a trained service dog? No? You'll get nothing and like it.

Some dogs are worth more than some people.

True enough, but the courts have consistently held dogs are property and the max you get is its market value.




How much is a dead dog worth on the open market any how?
 
2013-11-16 03:53:09 PM
The million dollars is less for the value of the dog than for NOT retailiating against the ignorant POS cop that murdered the dog

/ wouldn't work for me:  hurt one of my animals for no reason and you're done.  Ask the drug dealer that used to live next to me that shot my JRT for no reason.  Oh, wait, you can't....he had a fatal accident.
// the human gene pool needs a lot of chlorine
 
2013-11-16 03:55:00 PM

crzybtch: If the dog was restrained in the guys garage, why was it a problem?  If it made the neighbors nervous, why not leave a note for the owners to call and then demand that they keep the dog in the house or the yard?  I could see if the dog left the garage or lunged at the officers, but it was only barking.  Seriously, they totally went overboard on this one.  Should the guy get  a million dollars?  Of course not, but they need to do something to punish the officer who did the shooting.  His response to the situation was ridiculous.  And $20 to go get a new dog isn't going to cut it either.  A little common sense goes a long way.


"A little common sense" and police tend to be mutually exclusive concepts
 
2013-11-16 03:55:30 PM

almostsane: The million dollars is less for the value of the dog than for NOT retailiating against the ignorant POS cop that murdered the dog

/ wouldn't work for me:  hurt one of my animals for no reason and you're done.  Ask the drug dealer that used to live next to me that shot my JRT for no reason.  Oh, wait, you can't....he had a fatal accident.
// the human gene pool needs a lot of chlorine


Watch out everyone...we have a tough guy over here.
 
2013-11-16 03:56:59 PM

WhyKnot: almostsane: The million dollars is less for the value of the dog than for NOT retailiating against the ignorant POS cop that murdered the dog

/ wouldn't work for me:  hurt one of my animals for no reason and you're done.  Ask the drug dealer that used to live next to me that shot my JRT for no reason.  Oh, wait, you can't....he had a fatal accident.
// the human gene pool needs a lot of chlorine

Watch out everyone...we have a tough guy GAL over here.


FTFY
 
2013-11-16 03:57:06 PM

almostsane: The million dollars is less for the value of the dog than for NOT retailiating against the ignorant POS cop that murdered the dog

/ wouldn't work for me:  hurt one of my animals for no reason and you're done.  Ask the drug dealer that used to live next to me that shot my JRT for no reason.  Oh, wait, you can't....he had a fatal accident.
// the human gene pool needs a lot of chlorine


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2013-11-16 03:58:50 PM

LeroyBourne: I'd rather the dumb cop be fired and never able to become anything more than a fast food worker, but a cool mil works too.


It takes the mil to accomplish that.  Departments don't want cops that don't know how to get away with brutality.  If the cops win this case the pig in question will keep getting (even) fatter on the public's dime being a piece of shiat and shooting pets until he retires and then the public will fund his mere despicable existence.
 
2013-11-16 04:03:31 PM

Weatherkiss: whither_apophis: Sandwyrm: whither_apophis: Was it a champion show dog that you could breed? Or maybe a trained service dog? No? You'll get nothing and like it.

Some dogs are worth more than some people.

True enough, but the courts have consistently held dogs are property and the max you get is its market value.

Unless it's a police dog. Then it's different.


Or unless you're an AZ cop and leave your police dog in a hot car and kill it the officer gets in no trouble at all.

Sandwyrm: whither_apophis: Was it a champion show dog that you could breed? Or maybe a trained service dog? No? You'll get nothing and like it.

Some All dogs are worth more than some people.

 
2013-11-16 04:06:17 PM

almostsane: WhyKnot: almostsane: The million dollars is less for the value of the dog than for NOT retailiating against the ignorant POS cop that murdered the dog

/ wouldn't work for me:  hurt one of my animals for no reason and you're done.  Ask the drug dealer that used to live next to me that shot my JRT for no reason.  Oh, wait, you can't....he had a fatal accident.
// the human gene pool needs a lot of chlorine

Watch out everyone...we have a tough guy GAL over here.

FTFY


Ha :-)
 
2013-11-16 04:06:32 PM
No owner onsite, unrestrained large dog, duplex, unhappy neighbors. That is one way to set the table.
 
2013-11-16 04:06:37 PM

almostsane: hurt one of my animals for no reason and you're done.  Ask the drug dealer that used to live next to me that shot my JRT for no reason.  Oh, wait, you can't....he had a fatal accident.


You need to put that on facebook, stat.
 
2013-11-16 04:15:20 PM

almostsane: crzybtch: If the dog was restrained in the guys garage, why was it a problem?  If it made the neighbors nervous, why not leave a note for the owners to call and then demand that they keep the dog in the house or the yard?  I could see if the dog left the garage or lunged at the officers, but it was only barking.  Seriously, they totally went overboard on this one.  Should the guy get  a million dollars?  Of course not, but they need to do something to punish the officer who did the shooting.  His response to the situation was ridiculous.  And $20 to go get a new dog isn't going to cut it either.  A little common sense goes a long way.

"A little common sense" and police tend to be mutually exclusive concepts


Actually I have known quite a few cops in my day and many of them have been quite sensible, they just don't make the news.  However, most of them would have been seriously pissed if one of the guys in their unit shot a dog like that.  I have a feeling that he would have been out on the street sooner rather than later.  Funny, every cop I've know was a dog lover as well. Now if it was a cat........

And I am a cat lover so don't give me any shiat about it, thank you.
 
2013-11-16 04:17:35 PM

bojon: No owner onsite, unrestrained large dog, duplex, unhappy neighbors. That is one way to set the table.


The video was clear enough to make me absolutely positive that there was nothing going on here but a pos killing an old mans dog.  There was zero aggression from the dog.  The cops cornered it in the garage, snared it, then shot it as it tried to flee.  I hope the owner gets a head shot of the cop and posts it with the words THIS COP KILLED MY DOG IN MY DRIVEWAY AFTER HE CHASED IT OUT OF MY HOUSE and papers the shiat out of whatever areas he lives and works in.
 
2013-11-16 04:18:27 PM
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2013-11-16 04:20:42 PM

thisisarepeat: LeroyBourne: I'd rather the dumb cop be fired and never able to become anything more than a fast food worker, but a cool mil works too.

It takes the mil to accomplish that.  Departments don't want cops that don't know how to get away with brutality.  If the cops win this case the pig in question will keep getting (even) fatter on the public's dime being a piece of shiat and shooting pets until he retires and then the public will fund his mere despicable existence.


Yup. Sounds like a lot of people here don't understand the concept of punitive damages. The act itself might not incur really high monetary costs, but it's so outrageous that you never want it to happen to anyone again, so the court fixes the damages high enough that they can't just be written off as the cost of doing business. Which is why the same act might get a much higher damage award if McDonalds does it than if your local diner does it.
 
2013-11-16 04:25:08 PM
Ask for $1M, hope to get $10k?
 
2013-11-16 04:31:27 PM
Make it hurt so much they stop doing this crazy shiat ...
 
2013-11-16 04:32:14 PM
Look up the budget for the police department for one year. That's probably a good place to start.

They're called "punitive" damages for a reason.
 
2013-11-16 04:34:41 PM

PunGent: True enough, but the courts have consistently held dogs are property and the max you get is its market value.


Unless it's a police dog, of course.

/some animals are more equal than others.
 
2013-11-16 04:38:49 PM

taurusowner: Wonder if the taxpayers who would be footing that bill would agree.


Their insurance premium would go up if fault was found,  Not going to happen in this case. Not that it shouldn't hit the cops in the wallet but we all know how often that happens.
 
2013-11-16 04:41:20 PM
They need to stop having punishment for police brutality paid for by the city, or even the department.
That does absolutely nothing to prevent further incidents.

Have the fines assessed to the officer(s) involved will have a far greater impact on getting this kind of crap stopped.
 
2013-11-16 04:46:33 PM
One million dollars is about right if it comes out of the cops personal wallet and pension.
 
2013-11-16 04:51:13 PM
How about you just close the motherfarking garage door. Idiots.
 
2013-11-16 04:53:40 PM
WhyKnot

That being said, the owner is a jackass asking for a million dollars; but the fact that he had large dog roaming free that was being aggressive was already a sign that he was a jackass.
You feel a dog standing in the garage of its owner is a major threat to the city?

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2013-11-16 04:56:23 PM

doosh: There's always a reason, subby. Like being a dog for one.


The dog was resisting arrest, so that's two.
 
2013-11-16 04:58:24 PM
I'd shoot all of you for $1.50, but all animals are better than the trash on Fark!
 
2013-11-16 05:06:57 PM

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: whither_apophis: Sandwyrm: whither_apophis: Was it a champion show dog that you could breed? Or maybe a trained service dog? No? You'll get nothing and like it.

Some dogs are worth more than some people.

True enough, but the courts have consistently held dogs are property and the max you get is its market value.



How much is a dead dog worth on the open market any how?


that depends, are you near a pho restaurant?

/I keed, I keed
 
2013-11-16 05:09:39 PM
Hello neighbor
I've been meaning to talk to you
I've been puttin' it off
Somethin' I've gotta do
 
2013-11-16 05:17:14 PM
My professional legal opinion is that the cops have no justification for that dog murder.
 
2013-11-16 05:19:49 PM
The dog was already restrained, so this is even bigger bullshiat than usual. The only way to make this right is to shoot the officer involved.
 
2013-11-16 05:22:41 PM
Public execution by anal electrocution rolls right off the tongue pretty easily too.  How about we take a vote?
 
2013-11-16 05:27:43 PM
To all of you who said close the farking garage door, how the fark do the cops know the dog belongs in that house???  How would you like to come home to find a dog like this in YOUR garage?  Still, no reason to shoot the dog but I have no sympathy for people who let their dogs run free whether it's on purpose or accident.  Secure your dogs, secure your guns.
 
2013-11-16 05:40:37 PM

Watubi: To all of you who said close the farking garage door, how the fark do the cops know the dog belongs in that house???  How would you like to come home to find a dog like this in YOUR garage?  Still, no reason to shoot the dog but I have no sympathy for people who let their dogs run free whether it's on purpose or accident.  Secure your dogs, secure your guns.


Too bad we can't secure our cops.
 
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