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2013-11-16 03:06:25 PM  
I bet Picard nailed Guinan. Shoved his Soran right in her Nexus.
 
2013-11-16 03:44:04 PM  
"Before Star Trek, there were no black people in science fiction"

Not only does she get the year wrong but this came out in 1959 and starred Harry Belafonte.

Bonus: based on the short story "The Comet" (written in 1920) by W.E.B. Dubois
 
2013-11-16 04:04:02 PM  
So she's not completely correct, although in her world, that may be true. I didn't see when "The World, The Flesh, and The Devil" was shown on TV, but very little sci fi did have very few African American stars at the time. Times did change and for the better.

Still, I was impressed by her role in TNG. She was one of my favorite cast members through the years.
 
2013-11-16 04:12:39 PM  

nucrash: So she's not completely correct, although in her world, that may be true. I didn't see when "The World, The Flesh, and The Devil" was shown on TV, but very little sci fi did have very few African American stars at the time. Times did change and for the better.

Still, I was impressed by her role in TNG. She was one of my favorite cast members through the years.


Yeah, I'm not trying to diminish Star Trek's impact - on sci-fi, race relations or pretty much anything. It was a landmark show.

I'm just being pedantic because this is the internet and it's how we do.
 
2013-11-16 04:27:03 PM  
Well, thank you for your correction.
 
2013-11-16 05:07:25 PM  

Snapper Carr: "Before Star Trek, there were no black people in science fiction"

Not only does she get the year wrong but this came out in 1959 and starred Harry Belafonte.

Bonus: based on the short story "The Comet" (written in 1920) by W.E.B. Dubois


Not to be nitpicky, but we are on fark.  Most people thought of Belafonte as an exotic Jamaican, not your "average black man"
Lt. Uhura was an American black woman....a totally sexy one.....but still seen as all American.
 
2013-11-16 05:08:50 PM  
Had never heard of "The World, the Flesh and the Devil (1959 film)" so it is very possible (probable, in fact) that she was also black as a little girl, and not exactly rich enough to go see every single movie that came out and missed that particular flick.

/also possible it wasn't in every theater to be seen
 
2013-11-16 05:32:29 PM  

crzybtch: Snapper Carr: "Before Star Trek, there were no black people in science fiction"

Not only does she get the year wrong but this came out in 1959 and starred Harry Belafonte.

Bonus: based on the short story "The Comet" (written in 1920) by W.E.B. Dubois

Not to be nitpicky, but we are on fark.  Most people thought of Belafonte as an exotic Jamaican, not your "average black man"
Lt. Uhura was an American black woman....a totally sexy one.....but still seen as all American.


I thought it was amusing that test audiences for Star Trek roundly rejected the idea of a (white) woman as second-in-command. I wonder if similar screenings held forth notes about Uhura.
 
2013-11-16 05:39:35 PM  

buckler: crzybtch: Snapper Carr: "Before Star Trek, there were no black people in science fiction"

Not only does she get the year wrong but this came out in 1959 and starred Harry Belafonte.

Bonus: based on the short story "The Comet" (written in 1920) by W.E.B. Dubois

Not to be nitpicky, but we are on fark.  Most people thought of Belafonte as an exotic Jamaican, not your "average black man"
Lt. Uhura was an American black woman....a totally sexy one.....but still seen as all American.

I thought it was amusing that test audiences for Star Trek roundly rejected the idea of a (white) woman as second-in-command. I wonder if similar screenings held forth notes about Uhura.



Good thing we got past that kind of thinking before Voyager gave us a female captain.

/if Uhura had been as horrible as Janeway that would've been Not Helping
 
2013-11-16 05:42:19 PM  

buckler: I thought it was amusing that test audiences for Star Trek roundly rejected the idea of a (white) woman as second-in-command


The main reason they didn't keep the character of Number One was that nobody thought it was a good idea to put Roddenberry's mistress in a leading role. Yes, test audiences didn't respond well to the coolly calculating Number One, but the fact that Roddenberry was a notorious skirt chaser is the  main reason her character got cut.

nucrash: but very little sci fi did have very few African American stars at the time


Very little popular media had African American stars, and African American characters were almost always in a subservient role, like servants.
 
2013-11-16 05:49:39 PM  

crzybtch: Not to be nitpicky, but we are on fark. Most people thought of Belafonte as an exotic Jamaican, not your "average black man"
Lt. Uhura was an American black woman....a totally sexy one.....but still seen as all American.


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Both groups seen as All Klingon

/"We do not discuss it with outsiders."
 
2013-11-16 05:53:17 PM  

t3knomanser: Very little popular media had African American stars


Ray Bradbury had a chunk of the Martian Chronicles that had a southern, mostly black, town that had saved its money to buy a spaceship to go to Mars and one of the black characters asks a white guy what he was going to do on Thursday evenings from now on.  Thursday nights was when the local Kluxers made their rounds.
 
2013-11-16 06:01:21 PM  

TheMega: Had never heard of "The World, the Flesh and the Devil (1959 film)" so it is very possible (probable, in fact) that she was also black as a little girl, and not exactly rich enough to go see every single movie that came out and missed that particular flick.

/also possible it wasn't in every theater to be seen



On the other hand, if she hasn't taken the opportunity to familiarize herself with blacks in the genre since overcoming her underprivileged youth, perhaps she should have chosen the less definitive "few black people in science fiction".
 
2013-11-16 06:42:42 PM  
Semi-autistic?   Trolling headline subby are you really that ignorant?  Either someone is autistic or they aren't.
 
2013-11-16 07:03:58 PM  

t3knomanser: Very little popular media had African American stars, and African American characters were almost always in a subservient role, like servants.


You mean like being a bartender?
 
2013-11-16 07:46:35 PM  

redomega: Semi-autistic?   Trolling headline subby are you really that ignorant?  Either someone is autistic or they aren't.


He said it himself in the vid.
 
2013-11-16 08:53:49 PM  

Stahi: redomega: Semi-autistic?   Trolling headline subby are you really that ignorant?  Either someone is autistic or they aren't.

He said it himself in the vid.


Autism is a varying condition.  Some can barely function outside of their homes.  Some can function most of their lives normal, with only some struggles getting to know other people.  My son is high function, meaning he only occasionally struggles with socializing when certain conditions line up.  That man did very well, since the conditions of new environment, surrounded by strangers, standing and speaking thus being the focus of the room and to top it off, to share his true self is the perfect storm for autistic people to run and hide.  Now Whoopi wouldn't have done it, but if he got rejected, you would've saw him go to pieces.  That was really good for both of them, he got to express himself which will give him confidence and she got one of the best compliments she will ever get.

Now that is out of the way, we have now proven only autism sufferers should watch Star Trek, since it only makes basement dwellers out of normal people.  If you are autistic, it will set you free.  If you are not autistic, it will make you appear autistic.
 
2013-11-16 09:14:54 PM  
In a strange sense, she can relate to Autism due to her drug addiction and being scared to leave the bed to go use the toilet. She also is familiar with mental disorders because she also suffers from dyslexia.

That was really a moment where I watched the video and cried too. Just awesome to see that and I really did enjoy her being a bartender giving out sage like advice to even Captain Picard.
 
2013-11-16 09:19:08 PM  

nucrash: In a strange sense, she can relate to Autism due to her drug addiction and being scared to leave the bed to go use the toilet. She also is familiar with mental disorders because she also suffers from dyslexia.

That was really a moment where I watched the video and cried too. Just awesome to see that and I really did enjoy her being a bartender giving out sage like advice to even Captain Picard.


Your issues have issues.
 
2013-11-16 11:54:14 PM  
I always thought the giant hat that Guinan wore was perfect for her, as it would be the only known hat in the universe that could contain all of Woppi's self-inflated ego.
 
2013-11-17 01:42:30 AM  
Don't care.  She lost me as a fan when she defended Roman Polanski's drugging and anally raping a minor.
 
2013-11-17 06:52:13 AM  

LemSkroob: I always thought the giant hat that Guinan wore was perfect for her, as it would be the only known hat in the universe that could contain all of Woppi's self-inflated ego.


"Woppi"?

Is that the Italian Whoopi?
 
2013-11-17 09:16:38 AM  
Star Trek just replaced human racial prejudice with a broader inter-species prejudice. It always kind of bothered me that generally humans were depicted as the only race in the alpha quadrant with any kind of real complexity or diversity. Every other race was completely homogeneous- (virtually) every Klingon was all about war, every Ferengi was all about profit, every Romulan was all about power/dominance- all completely one-dimensional. And I would imagine that it worked for the same reason that human racial prejudice persists- we like feeling we are special/better just by existing.
 
2013-11-17 10:46:13 AM  

Quaker: Star Trek just replaced human racial prejudice with a broader inter-species prejudice. It always kind of bothered me that generally humans were depicted as the only race in the alpha quadrant with any kind of real complexity or diversity. Every other race was completely homogeneous- (virtually) every Klingon was all about war, every Ferengi was all about profit, every Romulan was all about power/dominance- all completely one-dimensional. And I would imagine that it worked for the same reason that human racial prejudice persists- we like feeling we are special/better just by existing.


Well if that's what you think, you need to watch the various series more closely. They've had honest Romulans, peaceful Klingons, and brave Ferengi, and each time it was remarked upon. True, these were all minor cases, but since most of the species were designed to represent concepts in order to make social statements (Communism, War, and Capitalism respectively), I can give it a pass.

However, I do agree that in general, "Planets of Hats" is lazy writing.
 
2013-11-17 12:00:49 PM  

Quaker: It always kind of bothered me that generally humans were depicted as the only race in the alpha quadrant with any kind of real complexity or diversity. Every other race was completely homogeneous-


It was just too subtle for you

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/also klingon foreheads
 
2013-11-17 12:09:06 PM  

Emperorsteele: They've had honest Romulans, peaceful Klingons, and brave Ferengi, and each time it was remarked upon.


And some of my best friends are black. Humans are portrayed as being diverse in a way no other alien species is. Even when variation is offered in an alien race, it's to display that these people are  counter-culture- and the counter-culture segments of these societies are always in line with  our ethics and  ourmorals.
 
2013-11-17 11:25:00 PM  
"Without Star Trek, people would still think that there are no black people in the future."

Cut to audience comprised entirely of white (presumably Dutch) people.
 
2013-11-17 11:29:53 PM  

buntz: t3knomanser: Very little popular media had African American stars, and African American characters were almost always in a subservient role, like servants.

You mean like being a bartender?


Ehh, Guinan is pretty far from subservient.  It's made pretty clear that the only reason she's the bartender is because she wants to be because it gives her the opportunity to interact with pretty much everyone on board.

Now, what the character is very close to is the Magical Negro archetype.
 
2013-11-17 11:40:42 PM  

Emperorsteele: They've had honest Romulans, peaceful Klingons, and brave Ferengi, and each time it was remarked upon.


I know there have been a very limited number of exceptions, which is why I said "virtually", but the fact that it was always remarked upon is exactly my point. No one ever thought it was strange when a human was aggressive or pacifistic or greedy or altruistic or anything else because humans were the only truly diverse species. But the other species were so homogeneous that it was always worth mentioning when the show featured a rare individual who didn't fit the pattern.
 
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