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(The Atlantic)   If your doctor asks "What's your sign?" he or she isn't trying to hit on you; new studies indicate that your birth month can determine what maladies you may be struck with   (theatlantic.com) divider line 112
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2013-11-16 12:03:11 AM
"I'm a Cancer."
"You're farked."
 
2013-11-16 03:08:56 AM
bullshiat
 
2013-11-16 07:13:37 AM
Clever, subby, but if my doctor asked me my sign, I'd know he was an idiot, since my exact birth day is on a chart right there in front of him.
 
2013-11-16 07:53:06 AM
Idiots.  Everyone knows that you should only seek help from a fully qualified and AMA approved tea leaf reader.
 
2013-11-16 09:09:38 AM
I prefer chicken entrails.
 
2013-11-16 09:09:41 AM
Quackery
 
2013-11-16 09:13:46 AM
"Hippocrates, whose namesake oath is, to this day, still sworn to by all who enter the field, has been attributed to the saying "a physician without knowledge of astrology has no right to call himself a physician."

Hippocrates also believed in humorism and probably contributed significantly to many of his patients deaths.
 
2013-11-16 09:15:16 AM
So?
Most of those things can't be prevented anyway. I would blame genetics on any ailments I have before my birth month.

/April.
//list is BS
 
2013-11-16 09:15:45 AM

Bucky Katt: bullshiat


I could tell by the individual bumps on your skull that you'd say that.
 
2013-11-16 09:17:22 AM
Science proves astrology. That will make scientist's heads explode. They just can't believe it.
 
2013-11-16 09:19:14 AM
 
2013-11-16 09:20:59 AM

bwilson27: I prefer chicken entrails.


He offered to read my entrails. I countered with how 'bout just reading my poop.

" I could take a dump right here on your desk, on this copy of the Atlantic, opened to an article on Asstrology." I said.
 
2013-11-16 09:27:15 AM
"Can modern medicine actually learn from stars and seasonality?"

No.

/there, I just saved you over 1600 words of utter bullshiat
 
2013-11-16 09:28:13 AM
>Reads Article.

Oh, it's just astrology trying to remain relevant by disguising itsself as "alternative medicine".

This is such crap, I'm tempted to print it out just so I can wipe my ass with it.
 
2013-11-16 09:28:25 AM
Scientifically disproven thousands of times in every double blind study ever performed
 
2013-11-16 09:29:47 AM
Interesting chart in the article.  I guess if you want your kids to be healthy, try to conceive so they'll be born in September.  (in the Northern hemisphere).

The sad thing is many people will look at that chart and if they suffer from any of those things or know someone who does who has the right birthday, they'll probably believe there's a stronger correlation and perhaps even a causation.

Also 1 in 4 Americans believe in Astrology?  We are dumb.
 
2013-11-16 09:31:58 AM
I'll betcha there's a tailored homeopathic remedy for each month, too, RIGHT?

/Gawd people are superstitious idiots.
 
2013-11-16 09:34:12 AM

Bucky Katt: bullshiat


Bullshiat.
 
2013-11-16 09:34:39 AM
I bet the subby/author is a Libra.
 
2013-11-16 09:39:20 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: I'll betcha there's a tailored homeopathic remedy for each month, too, RIGHT?

/Gawd people are superstitious idiots.


Hey, say what you want, but homeopathy is an effective treatment for dehydration. :)
 
2013-11-16 09:41:22 AM
I once had astrology explain ed to me in reverse. Instead of thinking that the stars impacted the development of people on earth, think of it the other way. When you're born September, the stars are in a certain place. When your born in September, you are exposed to different stresses in utero than someone who was born in February.

Studies done in World War 2 on stressed mothers in England during the Blitz showed that hormonal changes in development of children can affect how they grow later in life. There may be something to it, not caused by the stars, but because the stars are the only consistent reference points between all births. A child gestating in February will have access to less food and important resources than on gestating during the summer/fall bountiful months.
 
2013-11-16 09:43:16 AM

Voiceofreason01: "Hippocrates, whose namesake oath is, to this day, still sworn to by all who enter the field, has been attributed to the saying "a physician without knowledge of astrology has no right to call himself a physician."

Hippocrates also believed in humorism and probably contributed significantly to many of his patients deaths.


He was obviously a hypocrite.
 
2013-11-16 09:44:51 AM
Don't let those born in March or April stick their dick in you
 
2013-11-16 09:46:08 AM
And I'll also know I need a new doctor.
 
2013-11-16 09:47:18 AM

Witness99: Don't let those born in March or April stick their dick in you


Beware the Rides of March?
 
2013-11-16 09:48:49 AM

TelemonianAjax: I once had astrology explain ed to me in reverse. Instead of thinking that the stars impacted the development of people on earth, think of it the other way. When you're born September, the stars are in a certain place. When your born in September, you are exposed to different stresses in utero than someone who was born in February.

Studies done in World War 2 on stressed mothers in England during the Blitz showed that hormonal changes in development of children can affect how they grow later in life. There may be something to it, not caused by the stars, but because the stars are the only consistent reference points between all births. A child gestating in February will have access to less food and important resources than on gestating during the summer/fall bountiful months.


This.  Despite the sound of it, there is actual science that this can be applied to.  Though the one that applies to me is, what about kids born on the first of a month? Especially when some of those things start with my month or end at the end of the previous month.  I'd assume that there was some gray going on with that chart that wasn't displayed, but it does have me curious.
 
2013-11-16 09:49:35 AM
I think this is one of the main planks of the republican health care plan.
 
2013-11-16 09:51:09 AM
Yeah this is bullshiat because it's not possible that a gestating fetus may develop differently depending on the gravity at the time or the amount of vitamins the mother can produce based on sun exposure. Yup complete and utter bullshiat.
 
2013-11-16 09:51:52 AM

FriarReb98: there is actual science that this can be applied to.


Uh, Astrology is not actual science. There is nothing scientific about it. It's superstitious belief and pseudo-religion.
 
2013-11-16 09:53:12 AM

Witness99: Don't let those born in March or April stick their dick in you


What do you have against fish sticks?
 
2013-11-16 09:55:23 AM

AspectRatio: I think this is one of the main planks of the republican health care plan.


Trollin', trollin, trollin,
Git them dogies rollin',.........
 
2013-11-16 09:55:54 AM

hardinparamedic: FriarReb98: there is actual science that this can be applied to.

Uh, Astrology is not actual science. There is nothing scientific about it. It's superstitious belief and pseudo-religion.


Actually astrology is the position of the sun in comparison to constellations, which is very scientific. Predicting the future with it is quackery and hocus pocus bullshiat.
 
2013-11-16 09:57:00 AM

optimistic_cynic: Yeah this is bullshiat because it's not possible that a gestating fetus may develop differently depending on the gravity at the time or the amount of vitamins the mother can produce based on sun exposure. Yup complete and utter bullshiat.


No, it really is bullshiat. It's the astrology community desperately grabbing onto straws and trying to remain relevant in an age where people really don't care at large about them anymore

If you want to know how "interesting" this topic is to the medical community, there are only 7 results on a PubMed search for astrology. I linked two of them. The others are either medical historical manuscripts or writings from Indian alternative med journals..
 
2013-11-16 09:59:18 AM

optimistic_cynic: hardinparamedic: FriarReb98: there is actual science that this can be applied to.

Uh, Astrology is not actual science. There is nothing scientific about it. It's superstitious belief and pseudo-religion.

Actually astrology is the position of the sun in comparison to constellations, which is very scientific. Predicting the future with it is quackery and hocus pocus bullshiat.


That's Heliology.
 
2013-11-16 10:02:52 AM

Bucky Katt: bullshiat


You don't think that gestational conditions caused by temperature changes can impact development?  Particularly epi-genetically?  The "climate" experienced by expectant women today is vastly different with it was a thousand years ago, but being 7+ months pregnant in August still sucks.
 
2013-11-16 10:03:30 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Bucky Katt: bullshiat

You don't think that gestational conditions caused by temperature changes can impact development?  Particularly epi-genetically?  The "climate" experienced by expectant women today is vastly different with it was a thousand years ago, but being 7+ months pregnant in August still sucks.


Should have said climate and diet.
 
2013-11-16 10:04:15 AM

hardinparamedic: optimistic_cynic: hardinparamedic: FriarReb98: there is actual science that this can be applied to.

Uh, Astrology is not actual science. There is nothing scientific about it. It's superstitious belief and pseudo-religion.

Actually astrology is the position of the sun in comparison to constellations, which is very scientific. Predicting the future with it is quackery and hocus pocus bullshiat.

That's Heliology.


So you don't think it's at all possible that a fetus may develop differently at different times of the year? That's really all this is saying.
 
2013-11-16 10:05:01 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Bucky Katt: bullshiat

You don't think that gestational conditions caused by temperature changes can impact development?  Particularly epi-genetically?  The "climate" experienced by expectant women today is vastly different with it was a thousand years ago, but being 7+ months pregnant in August still sucks.


I think that has jack shiat to do with Astrology, personally, and that it's just another example of woo beliefs trying to hijack scientific study and concepts to continue to justify their existence.
 
2013-11-16 10:06:31 AM

optimistic_cynic: So you don't think it's at all possible that a fetus may develop differently at different times of the year? That's really all this is saying.


Not at all. I'm saying it has nothing to do with astrological signs, or anything the article purports to assign to astrology as being vindication of it's legitimacy.
 
2013-11-16 10:08:03 AM
You live in a sad, mechanistic world, don't you? At least the scientists on your world have figured out every thing about everything. Here on Earth, we're still figuring out what we can and can't see and what's important. Heck, we haven't even got a clue how our brains or conscienceness works, mich less the actual dynamics of mental states, prosecces or illnesses. Its not like we don't approve wonder drigs for use before we know what they do. Kids think the grownups have the world all known and under control. It's a mark of maturity to acknowledge things in this universe are far more complicated and interconnected than a child such as yourself sees them as being.
 
2013-11-16 10:10:44 AM

Voiceofreason01: "Hippocrates, whose namesake oath is, to this day, still sworn to by all who enter the field, has been attributed to the saying "a physician without knowledge of astrology has no right to call himself a physician."

Hippocrates also believed in humorism and probably contributed significantly to many of his patients deaths.


That's funny.
 
2013-11-16 10:11:03 AM

hardinparamedic: optimistic_cynic: So you don't think it's at all possible that a fetus may develop differently at different times of the year? That's really all this is saying.

Not at all. I'm saying it has nothing to do with astrological signs, or anything the article purports to assign to astrology as being vindication of it's legitimacy.


The astrological sign would determine when it was gestating. Sure they could have just said birthday and grouped days into groups but why go through that trouble when we already have that grouping system that people know called astrological signs?
 
2013-11-16 10:12:07 AM
You live in a sad, mechanistic world, don't you? At least the scientists on your world have figured out every thing about everything. Here on Earth, we're still figuring out what we can and can't see and what's important. Heck, we haven't even got a clue how our brains or conscienceness works, much less the actual dynamics of mental states, processes or illnesses. Its not like we don't approve wonder drugs for use before we know what they do. Kids think the grownups have the world all known and under control. It's a mark of maturity to acknowledge things in this universe are far more complicated and interconnected than a child such as yourself sees them as being.
 
2013-11-16 10:12:34 AM

TelemonianAjax: You live in a sad, mechanistic world, don't you? At least the scientists on your world have figured out every thing about everything. Here on Earth, we're still figuring out what we can and can't see and what's important. Heck, we haven't even got a clue how our brains or conscienceness works, mich less the actual dynamics of mental states, prosecces or illnesses. Its not like we don't approve wonder drigs for use before we know what they do. Kids think the grownups have the world all known and under control. It's a mark of maturity to acknowledge things in this universe are far more complicated and interconnected than a child such as yourself sees them as being.


The world is beautiful and magical enough without having to make things up to make it seem even more so. Things like astrology, no matter how many straws you grasp at, have no basis in reality, and are a product of a primitive people desperately trying to philosophically and "scientifically" understand the world around them with their limited information. I'm continually amazed at what we do not know, and what we learn every day.

Take the Depak Chopra crap to someone else, buddy. I'll continue to see beauty in the world without having to masturbate over my temporal lobe.
 
2013-11-16 10:13:50 AM
Since I was born in September in the northern hemisphere, I'm obviously immortal. That's what I'm taking away from this article. Go me!!!
 
2013-11-16 10:14:16 AM
So I'm to believe a 28 year old "journalist" trying to show how smart he is through the prodigious employment of unrenooberated verbiage instead of employing critical skills in a "news" article. My stars.

/don't trust anyone under 30.
//or over 55.
///boomers or their kids, is what I'm getting at here.
 
2013-11-16 10:14:45 AM

optimistic_cynic: The astrological sign would determine when it was gestating.


The astrological sign is a product of a group of people who thought the amount of a specific humor you had determined what diseases you would have, and thought they could predict the future by looking at the stars.

It's absolutely irrelevant.
 
2013-11-16 10:17:45 AM
It's interesting that the fewest number of issues is found in children born in the fall months - a lot of mammals have mid to late winter as their mating season - maybe humans are meant to as well?
 
2013-11-16 10:19:12 AM

optimistic_cynic: hardinparamedic: optimistic_cynic: So you don't think it's at all possible that a fetus may develop differently at different times of the year? That's really all this is saying.

Not at all. I'm saying it has nothing to do with astrological signs, or anything the article purports to assign to astrology as being vindication of it's legitimacy.

The astrological sign would determine when it was gestating. Sure they could have just said birthday and grouped days into groups but why go through that trouble when we already have that grouping system that people know called astrological signs?


So someone born on March 20 would have a completely different gestational environment than someone born on March 21?
 
2013-11-16 10:19:40 AM

hardinparamedic: optimistic_cynic: The astrological sign would determine when it was gestating.

The astrological sign is a product of a group of people who thought the amount of a specific humor you had determined what diseases you would have, and thought they could predict the future by looking at the stars.

It's absolutely irrelevant.


So is you issue only with the word astrology being used? If they said people who were fetuses during from march through December may be more prone to X, would you still say it was bullshiat? I agree that anything but the location of the sun, stars and planets is utter nonsense when it comes to astrological signs.
 
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