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(Reuters)   The FBI says Anonymous has secretly accessed computers of the U.S. Army, Department of Energy, Department of Health and Human Services, and perhaps many more agencies   (reuters.com) divider line 103
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2013-11-15 06:38:27 PM
Wait - the HHS computers were up?!
 
2013-11-15 06:42:18 PM

Diogenes: Wait - the HHS computers were up?!


You should submit that as a funnier headline
 
2013-11-15 08:25:15 PM
Article has a helpful picture of what the word "password" may look like.
 
2013-11-15 08:27:35 PM
FTFA:  Investigators are still gathering information on the scope of the cyber campaign, which the authorities believe is continuing. The FBI document tells system administrators what to look for to determine if their systems are compromised.

Well, that's funny, coz I work for part of the DOI and I haven't seen any FBI document.  Guess the DOI isn't important enough to inform.

/like I need something *else* to worry about
 
2013-11-15 08:35:55 PM
Scary?
 
2013-11-15 08:36:57 PM
So, is this supposed to be better or worse than the spying the government is doing?
 
2013-11-15 08:37:17 PM
2,0000 is a lot of bank accounts, I think.
 
2013-11-15 08:37:17 PM

xanadian: FTFA:  Investigators are still gathering information on the scope of the cyber campaign, which the authorities believe is continuing. The FBI document tells system administrators what to look for to determine if their systems are compromised.

Well, that's funny, coz I work for part of the DOI and I haven't seen any FBI document.  Guess the DOI isn't important enough to inform.

/like I need something *else* to worry about


Well, it's not like the Nations are being threatened nor the National Parks nor whatever else you guys do.
 
2013-11-15 08:37:24 PM
Why am I supposed to be scared?.
 
2013-11-15 08:37:29 PM
obvious tag, busy?

ya'll gonna spy on us then that works both ways, chumps, just like a tranny hooker in perth amboy
 
2013-11-15 08:37:33 PM
Turnabout is fair play.
 
2013-11-15 08:40:50 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-15 08:41:23 PM
[worldssmallestviolin.jpg]
 
2013-11-15 08:42:05 PM
Maybe anonymous has their own secret court that granted them permission to peek around a little on those systems. Isn't that how it works?
 
2013-11-15 08:43:00 PM
I guess the days of anonymous may been numbered. Shame. I guess their biggest mistake was assuming they could hide from Uncle Sam who has more resources then they do, I hope they survive in some more directed form, focusing on those who truly need help. Pissing off the good guys trying to make things better isn't always the best policy.
 
2013-11-15 08:43:02 PM

Vector R: So, is this supposed to be better or worse than the spying the government is doing?


Depends. Would you rather have your information in the hands of someone who's probably just gonna shove it in the digital equivalent of a dusty storeroom and forget about it, or in the hands of 4chan?
 
2013-11-15 08:43:02 PM

vodka: Scary?


Command & Control of military units/personnel/equipment comes to mind
 
2013-11-15 08:43:34 PM

phalamir: [worldssmallestviolin.jpg]


Worlds smallest violin is still to big for them.
 
2013-11-15 08:45:37 PM
Adobe. Is there anything they can't make less secure?
 
2013-11-15 08:46:31 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-15 08:47:01 PM

jim32rr: vodka: Scary?

Command & Control of military units/personnel/equipment comes to mind


Delivering ten million pizzas to Kandahar?
 
2013-11-15 08:47:30 PM
World's smallest violin plays for you. Live by the sword, die by the sword.  Or in this case, hack, be hacked.
 
2013-11-15 08:47:38 PM
Maybe they should have, you know, actually make sure that haxzors can't SQL insert themselves into the system? Were all of the government's sys-admins drunk when they went over that in php?
 
2013-11-15 08:47:44 PM
Oh noooooooooo, br'er anonymous, please don't bring AKO down! Anything but that!
 
2013-11-15 08:49:18 PM
Just gona go ahead and get this out of the way:
theshootening.files.wordpress.com
076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2013-11-15 08:50:48 PM

Man with the Red Eyes: Oh noooooooooo, br'er anonymous, please don't bring AKO down! Anything but that!


If they hadn't gotten employees' personal info and bank account info for a couple thousand accounts, I'd be right there with you. this sounds more like intentional criminal behavior for the sake of theft. Not cool, anon...

/unplugs router
 
2013-11-15 08:51:23 PM
I think Anonymous accomplishes more than the Gov anyway.
 
2013-11-15 08:52:01 PM
So basically...

static9.cdn.ubi.com
 
2013-11-15 08:52:53 PM

AirForceVet: I guess the days of anonymous may been numbered. Shame. I guess their biggest mistake was assuming they could hide from Uncle Sam who has more resources then they do, I hope they survive in some more directed form, focusing on those who truly need help. Pissing off the good guys trying to make things better isn't always the best policy.


I would bet most aren't in the US so trying to get them isn't going to be a cake walk and if they are in the US they likely already work for Uncle Sam or know some one that dose.


LordJiro: Vector R: So, is this supposed to be better or worse than the spying the government is doing?

Depends. Would you rather have your information in the hands of someone who's probably just gonna shove it in the digital equivalent of a dusty storeroom and forget about it, or in the hands of 4chan?


www.netanimations.net
 
2013-11-15 08:53:04 PM
HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW?? HAHAHA
 
2013-11-15 08:54:58 PM
s1.reutersmedia.net
The word 'password' is pictured on a computer screen in this picture illustration taken in Berlin May 21, 2013.


Wow. Thank you so much for that helpful information.

Why the fark do we pay you again?
 
2013-11-15 09:00:56 PM

ladyfortuna: Man with the Red Eyes: Oh noooooooooo, br'er anonymous, please don't bring AKO down! Anything but that!

If they hadn't gotten employees' personal info and bank account info for a couple thousand accounts, I'd be right there with you. this sounds more like intentional criminal behavior for the sake of theft. Not cool, anon...

/unplugs router


Any money gone missing? Because, I'm pretty sure that if it had, we would have heard about it...endlessly.

So, they're either terrible at thieving, or ...
 
2013-11-15 09:08:01 PM

Bumblefark: ladyfortuna: Man with the Red Eyes: Oh noooooooooo, br'er anonymous, please don't bring AKO down! Anything but that!

If they hadn't gotten employees' personal info and bank account info for a couple thousand accounts, I'd be right there with you. this sounds more like intentional criminal behavior for the sake of theft. Not cool, anon...

/unplugs router

Any money gone missing? Because, I'm pretty sure that if it had, we would have heard about it...endlessly.

So, they're either terrible at thieving, or ...


Or Halliburton.
 
2013-11-15 09:09:05 PM
media.tumblr.com
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-15 09:09:27 PM
Can a computer guy tell me why we still have security holes in software? Particularly the kind in major flagship products that are discovered by bad actors before the thousands of whitehats the feds employ?
 
2013-11-15 09:09:36 PM

sirgrim: Adobe. Is there anything they can't make less secure?


But my Acrobat trial is critical software! Just like Realplayer and Weatherbug!
 
2013-11-15 09:13:38 PM
"Secret", that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2013-11-15 09:17:50 PM
This just in: members of Anonymous access these computers all day at their jobs, where they are the system admins for these computers.
 
2013-11-15 09:17:53 PM
You don't say!

Anyone who doesn't think that there are more black hats rummaging around in the government databases than Chinese agents is most certainly stupid.

The NSA has your data on Monday, the Israelis have by Tuesday, the Chinese have it by Friday. The hackers? Oh they had it last Saturday.
 
2013-11-15 09:18:04 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Can a computer guy tell me why we still have security holes in software? Particularly the kind in major flagship products that are discovered by bad actors before the thousands of whitehats the feds employ?


Because building software is hard, and building perfectly working software is impossible.

Oh, and because if I have a security bug, and thousands upon thousands of programs depend on that bug existing, if I fix the bug, everyone's programs break and I get fired for breaking everyone's programs.

And because I might have AT BEST have a couple hundred people looking for bugs, while I'll have a couple million to billion people beating on my system trying to find bugs.

Oh, and the NSA is deliberately withholding information about 0-day exploits (and making me create more) so that they can hack into everyone's computers.
 
2013-11-15 09:21:02 PM

ladyfortuna: Man with the Red Eyes: Oh noooooooooo, br'er anonymous, please don't bring AKO down! Anything but that!

If they hadn't gotten employees' personal info and bank account info for a couple thousand accounts, I'd be right there with you. this sounds more like intentional criminal behavior for the sake of theft. Not cool, anon...

/unplugs router


As it's designed to make you feel. No great detail was given in the article. This started last year and apparently nobody has had their bank account wiped out, or the FBI probably would have said something about it. In light of recent events, it wouldn't surprise me if all these agencies had all their info one the same share drive with the admin password being, well, admin.

Then again they could be exaggerating a little, too. Notice how the article shows information about 2,0000 bank account could have been accessed? Know what 2,0000 is? That's what you get when you add another zero to 2,000.

I'd hate to be the next cracker caught, might take the heat for everything that's happened for the past 10 years. On the other hand - the government should probably hire them to get things cleaned up.
 
2013-11-15 09:25:55 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Can a computer guy tell me why we still have security holes in software? Particularly the kind in major flagship products that are discovered by bad actors before the thousands of whitehats the feds employ?


It was an exploit planted by the NSA.
 
2013-11-15 09:26:05 PM

meyerkev: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Can a computer guy tell me why we still have security holes in software? Particularly the kind in major flagship products that are discovered by bad actors before the thousands of whitehats the feds employ?

Because building software is hard, and building perfectly working software is impossible.

Oh, and because if I have a security bug, and thousands upon thousands of programs depend on that bug existing, if I fix the bug, everyone's programs break and I get fired for breaking everyone's programs.

And because I might have AT BEST have a couple hundred people looking for bugs, while I'll have a couple million to billion people beating on my system trying to find bugs.

Oh, and the NSA is deliberately withholding information about 0-day exploits (and making me create more) so that they can hack into everyone's computers.


Oh, and because users are farking idiots who use 'password' as a password.

And because there's a fundamental tradeoff between security and usefulness.
 
2013-11-15 09:30:15 PM

Old_Fark: The NSA has your data on Monday, the Israelis have by Tuesday, the Chinese have it by Friday. The hackers? Oh they had it last Saturday.


That's the thing about the Internet.  Any information that's connected to it is available to anyone who cares about it.  The trick is to minimize the people who care and the stuff worth caring about.  Keep a low profile, in other words.  (Obviously this isn't possible for political activists, but that's the risk they run, just as they run the risk of getting their heads bashed in by ill-tempered law enforcement agents.)
 
2013-11-15 09:34:58 PM

Omahawg: obvious tag, busy?

ya'll gonna spy on us then that works both ways, chumps, just like a tranny hooker in perth amboy


The fact that people actually believe this is truly sad, and scary.
 
2013-11-15 09:40:15 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-15 09:40:29 PM

Olympic Trolling Judge: jim32rr: vodka: Scary?

Command & Control of military units/personnel/equipment comes to mind

Delivering ten million pizzas to Kandahar?


That might actually cause peace, love for America, and a happy future.

As long as it's halal pizza.
 
2013-11-15 09:41:00 PM
That's.... kind of hilarious in a "turnabout is fair play" way.


AirForceVet: I guess the days of anonymous may been numbered. Shame. I guess their biggest mistake was assuming they could hide from Uncle Sam who has more resources then they do, I hope they survive in some more directed form, focusing on those who truly need help. Pissing off the good guys trying to make things better isn't always the best policy.



Anonymous does not work that way. They're not an actual organization of any kind, Anonymous is more of a concept. Cut off one head and like the mythical hydra you pretty much do nothing. There's always more to replace them. And that's not even taking in to account the worldwide nature of Anonymous which would make it very difficult to make an actual dent in the movement.
 
2013-11-15 09:43:26 PM

Ficoce: ladyfortuna: Man with the Red Eyes: Oh noooooooooo, br'er anonymous, please don't bring AKO down! Anything but that!

If they hadn't gotten employees' personal info and bank account info for a couple thousand accounts, I'd be right there with you. this sounds more like intentional criminal behavior for the sake of theft. Not cool, anon...

/unplugs router

As it's designed to make you feel. No great detail was given in the article. This started last year and apparently nobody has had their bank account wiped out, or the FBI probably would have said something about it. In light of recent events, it wouldn't surprise me if all these agencies had all their info one the same share drive with the admin password being, well, admin.

Then again they could be exaggerating a little, too. Notice how the article shows information about 2,0000 bank account could have been accessed? Know what 2,0000 is? That's what you get when you add another zero to 2,000.

I'd hate to be the next cracker caught, might take the heat for everything that's happened for the past 10 years. On the other hand - the government should probably hire them to get things cleaned up.


"if all these agencies had all their info one the same share drive with the admin password being, well, admin."

Jesus christ, that is just baby town frolics
 
2013-11-15 09:46:23 PM

xanadian: FTFA:  Investigators are still gathering information on the scope of the cyber campaign, which the authorities believe is continuing. The FBI document tells system administrators what to look for to determine if their systems are compromised.

Well, that's funny, coz I work for part of the DOI and I haven't seen any FBI document.  Guess the DOI isn't important enough to inform.

/like I need something *else* to worry about


They never announce to the whole agency what happened, but if the head IT people send a blast message to all employees telling them they have to change their passwords, it's a fair bet it happened to you.
 
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