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(CBS Los Angeles 2)   LA Police: "Hey, this TSA agent still has a pulse. Let's let him bleed out for over a half an hour so we can bump these charges up to a murder rap"   (losangeles.cbslocal.com) divider line 155
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2013-11-15 06:42:10 PM
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2013-11-15 06:52:12 PM
Ah, the LAPD.

All that is finest in bad police work. Keep up the good jorb, guys.
 
2013-11-15 07:16:48 PM

Gig103: [img.fark.net image 604x358]


Yep, a father and husband is dead. This is a good thing because Fark doesn't like who he worked for.
 
2013-11-15 07:29:50 PM

change1211: Gig103: [img.fark.net image 604x358]

Yep, a father and husband is dead. This is a good thing because Fark doesn't like who he worked for.


To be fair, NOBODY likes the TSA and even The Iceman was married with kids.

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It's still a crying shame the LAPD gets to continue existing as they do without major reform from an external source higher up the food chain. They are constantly farking up like this.
 
2013-11-15 07:38:25 PM
OK, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-15 07:40:00 PM
I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.
 
2013-11-15 07:40:44 PM
"We need a serious reexamination of TSA's screening area security policies to stop the next tragedy before it happens. The inconsistent patchwork of local law enforcement and security protocols simply won't get the job done. We need a dedicated TSA law enforcement unit tasked with protecting Transportation Security Officers and the flying public around our vulnerable screening areas. An immediate threat requires an immediate response, and we can't afford to be taken off-guard again."

Bullshait.

What we "need" is to lose the attitude and feeling that we can be 100% safe all the farking time.
 
2013-11-15 07:41:28 PM

change1211: Gig103: [img.fark.net image 604x358]

Yep, a father and husband is dead. This is a good thing because Fark doesn't like who he worked for.


Pretty obnoxious if I do say so.
 
2013-11-15 07:41:32 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.


I don't remember anyone at the airport fondling my nutsack pre-9/11 or using advanced technology to see me naked.
 
2013-11-15 07:41:35 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.


I get the hatred for the TSA, but it doesn't hold a candle to the malfeasance of the LAPD.
 
2013-11-15 07:43:00 PM
I think that Gig103 misunderstood the article, or headline. Either that, or his moranity is off the scale.
 
2013-11-15 07:43:16 PM

lockers: change1211: Gig103: [img.fark.net image 604x358]

Yep, a father and husband is dead. This is a good thing because Fark doesn't like who he worked for.

Pretty obnoxious if I do say so.


So is the headline if we're going there
 
2013-11-15 07:43:51 PM
First of all, its not a policeman's job to administer first aid, its their job in a situation as this, to secure the area, and that takes time. They have guns, and are able to defend themselves. The paramedics do not. So, you don't let in the medical people until you have made sure it is safe. No point adding more victims to a already bad situation. It has been this way forever, and as a retired police officer, it makes sense to me. No point in letting others in, before you had taken control of the situation, and made sure it is safe. But i guess that doesn't matter to the trolltastic headline.
If we had let them in to help the guy, and the shooter (or shooters, they didn't know) shot the paramedics, the trolls would have been screaming "why didnt you make sure it was safe? Waaahhhhhhhh." Can't win, so you do what makes sense and hope for the best.
 
2013-11-15 07:44:04 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.

I don't remember anyone at the airport fondling my nutsack pre-9/11 or using advanced technology to see me naked.


My nutsack hasn't been fondled at the airport ever, though the closest it came was pre-9/11 when they used the metal detector wands.
 
2013-11-15 07:44:14 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.



Granted, I've never experience the really shiatty scenarios like other people, but come one...there is a definite difference.

/I F*CKING hate long lines.
//Would rather get molestation pat-down by a TSA agent than wait in line for long time.
///Fully realize I'm in the minority, and realize that most people don't want to get molested in a security line.
////Just loathed long lines ever since I was a little kid.
 
2013-11-15 07:44:21 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful


Have you ever tried to be rude while fondling people's family members and stealing their stuff from luggage? They tend to get angry.
 
2013-11-15 07:45:00 PM
forgive my ignorance, but where did all the other TSA people go when this started? I kind of imagine a George Costanza-esque stampede of TSA agents over the top of old ladies and children.

oh yeah, almost forgot, LAPD sucks...again
 
2013-11-15 07:45:15 PM
Well the LAPD had to be sure they weren't giving too much care to a suspect. Being wounded and unarmed doesn't mean he doesn't pose a threat. They figured let him die and we'll figure it out later.
 
2013-11-15 07:45:27 PM
This wasn't a LAPD thing; this was probably a homeland security theater thing. The paramedics probably had to go through additional screening because they were "randomly selected".
 
2013-11-15 07:46:04 PM

Gig103: [img.fark.net image 604x358]


10/10

Great troll!
 
2013-11-15 07:47:32 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: My nutsack hasn't been fondled at the airport ever, though the closest it came was pre-9/11 when they used the metal detector wands.


Mine has on two occasions when I was unlucky enough to get a random "SSSS" on my boarding pass.
 
2013-11-15 07:47:54 PM
I am imagining him on the floor bleeding with an outstrechted hand imploring a nearby officer "help meeeee you arsehole" and the cop is like "that is not my official duty"....not saying it happened that way but it would be a heinous situation.
 
2013-11-15 07:47:56 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.


You sound Caucasian.
 
2013-11-15 07:48:21 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.

I don't remember anyone at the airport fondling my nutsack pre-9/11 or using advanced technology to see me naked.

My nutsack hasn't been fondled at the airport ever, though the closest it came was pre-9/11 when they used the metal detector wands.


Your choice....

This
img.fark.net
Or this.....
img.fark.net
 
2013-11-15 07:48:54 PM
Okay, this was a giant clusterf*ck, but really saying someone is "only" 150 yards away when it's unknown if there's other shooters, or bombs.  If you go out to help someone and you get shot too, now there's two victims and less people to respond or secure the area.
 
2013-11-15 07:48:55 PM
It's not known when Hernandez died or if immediate medical attention could have saved his life, but McClain said unless a person is decapitated, a doctor must declare someone dead.

What.
 
2013-11-15 07:49:09 PM

iheartscotch: This wasn't a LAPD thing; this was probably a homeland security theater thing. The paramedics probably had to go through additional screening because they were "randomly selected".


Lol.

That said, in reality tactical doctrine is to bypass giving aid to wounded and go directly towards the active shooter to isolate and neutralize him. Until that's done, in the absence of a tactical paramedic team, the priority is stopping the shooting and THEN treating victims.
 
2013-11-15 07:49:15 PM

tetsoushima: OK, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here:

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Yes, it's what you think it was. Next question.
 
2013-11-15 07:49:25 PM
Win-win, I'd say.
 
2013-11-15 07:49:38 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.


There's some what-you-give-what-you-get there.  Like you, I've never had the slightest issue with TSA workers, 50/50 split of actually-polite and bored-as-fark, largely determined by time of the day.

On the other hand, I flew with my father a few times in the TSA era.  He always had issues with basically any sort of authority.  Would not for the life of him go, "okay, I'm going to be going through security eventually, how about I tuck my car keys/coins/belt in my carry-on well in advance, have an ID/boarding pass ready, and have my shoes ready to come off".  Nope, he felt the need to walk through the metal detector and set it off three times, slow down the lines, so he could get indignant about it and lippy to some $10/hour slob, who invariably got attitude back to him.
 
2013-11-15 07:50:37 PM

LessO2: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.

I don't remember anyone at the airport fondling my nutsack pre-9/11 or using advanced technology to see me naked.

My nutsack hasn't been fondled at the airport ever, though the closest it came was pre-9/11 when they used the metal detector wands.

Your choice....

This

Or this.....


Ha, I've gotten neither post-9/11. I love the body scanners, they take much less time than the wand.
 
2013-11-15 07:50:46 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.


I understand that people don't like the TSA.  I don't get the part where folks think that a dead work-a-day shlub and his now fatherless children put the cosmos in balance or whatever.
 
2013-11-15 07:51:13 PM

doyner: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.

I get the hatred for the TSA, but it doesn't hold a candle to the malfeasance of the LAPD.


Just another Perfect Storm of stupid and incompetent.

Move along. Except you TSA TSOs. This is the support you can expect from your "employer". You should quit.
 
2013-11-15 07:52:22 PM
Hernandez?  No wonder they let him die.
 
2013-11-15 07:52:48 PM

Pichu0102: It's not known when Hernandez died or if immediate medical attention could have saved his life, but McClain said unless a person is decapitated, a doctor must declare someone dead.

What.


The doctor has to sign the death certificate. A Paramedic or RN can declare someone dead when they meet criteria in their Guidelines/Standing Orders.

Don't expect the news media to get it right. They have to sensationalize.

PanicMan: Okay, this was a giant clusterf*ck, but really saying someone is "only" 150 yards away when it's unknown if there's other shooters, or bombs.  If you go out to help someone and you get shot too, now there's two victims and less people to respond or secure the area.


THIS.

Unless you have someone who is a Paramedic or EMT on a tactical team and is trained to operate under fire, or you have a spare Law Enforcement officer trained in LE Weeners Tactical Casuality Care,you're not going to care for them until the shooter is neutralized.

Remember that scene from ROTLD, where he says "Send more paramedics?" That's what active shooters want. Unarmed rescuers they can add to their body count. Kill the shooter, save lives.
 
2013-11-15 07:53:22 PM
McClain

Yippee-ki-yay, motherfarker.
 
2013-11-15 07:53:28 PM

PanicMan: Okay, this was a giant clusterf*ck, but really saying someone is "only" 150 yards away when it's unknown if there's other shooters, or bombs.  If you go out to help someone and you get shot too, now there's two victims and less people to respond or secure the area.


What a bunch of farking jackwagons.

Of course it is a medic's job to make house calls.
 
2013-11-15 07:53:33 PM
Whelp. I got filterpwned.
 
2013-11-15 07:54:58 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: First of all, its not a policeman's job to administer first aid, its their job in a situation as this, to secure the area, and that takes time. They have guns, and are able to defend themselves. The paramedics do not. So, you don't let in the medical people until you have made sure it is safe. No point adding more victims to a already bad situation. It has been this way forever, and as a retired police officer, it makes sense to me. No point in letting others in, before you had taken control of the situation, and made sure it is safe. But i guess that doesn't matter to the trolltastic headline. If we had let them in to help the guy, and the shooter (or shooters, they didn't know) shot the paramedics, the trolls would have been screaming "why didnt you make sure it was safe? Waaahhhhhhhh." Can't win, so you do what makes sense and hope for the best.


FTFA (tyodfr):


It would be 33 minutes before airport police would put Hernandez, who was about 20 feet from an exit, in a wheelchair and run him to an ambulance, said the officials, who were briefed on the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity because the probe was still ongoing. For all but five of those minutes, there was no threat from the suspected gunman - he had been shot and was in custody, they said.


It is clear that the LAPD stood around with their thumbs up their asses, while a major crime victim was left to bleed out on the floor. It is obvious that the LAPD and likely most other Police Departments in the country are more concerned with following rote behaviors about security rather than bother to actually, you know, HELP THE GUY.


Crimenentlies.
 
2013-11-15 07:56:16 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.


Personally, I hate the organization more than the actual players.  I don't necessarily dislike the actual TSA employees but I despise the kabuki theater that the TSA entity is.
 
2013-11-15 07:57:09 PM

snocone: What a bunch of farking jackwagons.

Of course it is a medic's job to make house calls.


It's not a Paramedic's job to play Rescue Randy and rush in to save the day when someone is gunning down people. All he does is become another victim, and take away from the resources needed to care for people already hurt on scene. Disobeying a stage for PD announcement will cost you your job on a major incident, and could cost you your license if someone is hurt because of your actions.

If you don't have the training and equipment to make the scene relatively safe for you and your partner, you hold until it's done for you. No one benefits from freelancing on major incidents, and there are ample historical precedents for people losing everything.
 
2013-11-15 07:58:31 PM

LessO2: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.

I don't remember anyone at the airport fondling my nutsack pre-9/11 or using advanced technology to see me naked.

My nutsack hasn't been fondled at the airport ever, though the closest it came was pre-9/11 when they used the metal detector wands.

Your choice....

This
[img.fark.net image 500x500]
Or this.....
[img.fark.net image 500x300]



You forgot THIS
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2013-11-15 07:59:34 PM
hardinparamedic:

PanicMan: Okay, this was a giant clusterf*ck, but really saying someone is "only" 150 yards away when it's unknown if there's other shooters, or bombs.  If you go out to help someone and you get shot too, now there's two victims and less people to respond or secure the area.

THIS.

Unless you have someone who is a Paramedic or EMT on a tactical team and is trained to operate under fire, or you have a spare Law Enforcement officer trained in LE Weeners Tactical Casuality Care,you're not going to care for them until the shooter is neutralized.

Remember that scene from ROTLD, where he says "Send more paramedics?" That's what active shooters want. Unarmed rescuers they can add to their body count. Kill the shooter, save lives.


But in this instance it sounds like the delay wasn't a matter of securing the scene, it was that an officer believed the guy was dead thereby delaying care.  I'm sure he could have been wheeled out much quicker, and you know he would have been if it had been a LAPD officer.
 
2013-11-15 07:59:47 PM

Deathfrogg: It is obvious that the LAPD and likely most other Police Departments in the country are more concerned with following rote behaviors about security rather than bother to actually, you know, HELP THE GUY.


Not trying to defend the LAPD in the least (fark those guys.), but most SWAT operators aren't medically trained beyond buddy aid. The guy who failed to call scene secure on the radio to let in the EMS guys ought to get punished though.
 
2013-11-15 08:00:22 PM

hardinparamedic: It's not a Paramedic's job to play Rescue Randy and rush in to save the day when someone is gunning down people. All he does is become another victim, and take away from the resources needed to care for people already hurt on scene. Disobeying a stage for PD announcement will cost you your job on a major incident, and could cost you your license if someone is hurt because of your actions.

If you don't have the training and equipment to make the scene relatively safe for you and your partner, you hold until it's done for you. No one benefits from freelancing on major incidents, and there are ample historical precedents for people losing everything.


So you'd watch someone strolling distance away from you just die?

Would you sleep soundly that night?
 
2013-11-15 08:00:43 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't get the hate for the TSA. In my experience the vast majority of the agents are polite and respectful and the entire proces isn't much worse than it was pre-9/11.


Shhhh... We're supposed to mindlessly despise them no matter what they do because... well, just because. I'm not exactly sure why.
 
2013-11-15 08:00:44 PM

hardinparamedic: Whelp. I got filterpwned.


No shiat. I almost pissed my pants laughing when I saw that.
 
2013-11-15 08:01:27 PM

dark brew: But in this instance it sounds like the delay wasn't a matter of securing the scene, it was that an officer believed the guy was dead thereby delaying care


True, after RTFA. We've had problems locally with certain jurisdictions trying to keep our responders from entering "crime scenes" because the person looks "obviously dead", despite the fact they're not supposed to unless the person is decomposing.

Wonder if that's what happened here?
 
2013-11-15 08:02:25 PM

fluffy2097: So you'd watch someone strolling distance away from you just die?

Would you sleep soundly that night?


I wouldn't be in strolling distance. And I wouldn't be in line of sight, either.

Would you like to rephrase your question?
 
2013-11-15 08:02:33 PM
berylman: I am imagining him on the floor bleeding with an outstrechted hand imploring a nearby officer "help meeeee you arsehole" and the cop is like "that is not my official duty"....not saying it happened that way but it would be a heinous situation.

>>This is what I imagine too. I wonder if he was yelling for help?
 
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