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2013-11-15 03:52:14 PM
I am glad that they have been found

Been keeping tabs on the McStays since the Disappeared episode

There is a sub-forum on Websleuths that has the most up-to-date information on the investigation

/Websleuths is a website that has amateur investigators look for missing people and try to identify John Does
 
2013-11-15 05:33:22 PM
I am sad they were found, I wish they were all in Mexico surfing and eating fish tacos.  It's a very interesting story, I have been following it closely. Condolences to the family.
 
2013-11-15 05:33:56 PM
Dope. As in some kind of involvement in the illegal drug trade.
 
2013-11-15 05:33:59 PM
b.vimeocdn.com

You McSay.......McStay.....
 
2013-11-15 05:36:33 PM
Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?
 
2013-11-15 05:36:38 PM
I'm Not Lovin' It
 
2013-11-15 05:38:32 PM

miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?


We don't know

We can only speculate that it had to do with Mr McStay and his business dealings.
 
2013-11-15 05:39:08 PM
More like McVanish!
 
2013-11-15 05:40:23 PM

miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?


Really the only explanation for an entire family to get abducted, killed, and then their car left at the border (presumably from the Cartel hitmen leaving it there and crossing back over after the job was done).
 
2013-11-15 05:43:20 PM

Alonjar: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

Really the only explanation for an entire family to get abducted, killed, and then their car left at the border (presumably from the Cartel hitmen leaving it there and crossing back over after the job was done).


Not necessarily

He was a small businessman

A contractor

He had a lot of money

Most likely it was someone who knew him well
 
2013-11-15 05:45:33 PM

Alonjar: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

Really the only explanation for an entire family to get abducted, killed, and then their car left at the border (presumably from the Cartel hitmen leaving it there and crossing back over after the job was done).


Unless they were carriers of a deadly infectious disease designed to cement world dominion for the UN that was accidentally released during the midterm elections and Obama had them killed to cover it up.

/seems legit
 
2013-11-15 05:49:54 PM
I heard of this case when it first happend and have been very intrested in it just from how odd it was. I was kinda hoping they just took off for mexico and hiding from something bad and in 20 years the kids would just show up on the news somewhere.
 
2013-11-15 05:50:18 PM

cman: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

We don't know

We can only speculate that it had to do with Mr McStay and his business dealings.


"we" don't know?

I suppose your a member of the fark detective squad or something.
 
2013-11-15 05:52:29 PM
McSad with a side of transfat
 
2013-11-15 05:52:32 PM

tripleseven: cman: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

We don't know

We can only speculate that it had to do with Mr McStay and his business dealings.

"we" don't know?

I suppose your a member of the fark detective squad or something.


You're reading too much into it
 
2013-11-15 05:53:30 PM

SeattleSeven: More like McVanish!


McDead.
 
2013-11-15 05:57:29 PM

cman: tripleseven: cman: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

We don't know

We can only speculate that it had to do with Mr McStay and his business dealings.

"we" don't know?

I suppose your a member of the fark detective squad or something.

You're reading too much into it


"Nobody knows"

I am being a bit of a dick, but, man, I just think it's weird when people associate themselves with things like this.
 
2013-11-15 05:58:00 PM

miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?


I think it might be obvious...

They parked their vehicle on the border, walked in to Mexico to pick up a vehicle, drugs hidden in some extreme fashion. They would leave Mexico, just a family seeing the sights, and transport it to a remote location outside Victorville, then somebody would return the to their vehicle. Easy money, kids act as part of the camouflage.

Something went wrong... the drug dealers didn't want to pay them, or offered them much less. The couple balks, and the family is killed. It's remote, and the likelihood of catching their killers is about zero. Chances are, the couple probably had some guy they bought weed from, who gave them the "opportunity" to make some easy, lucrative cash - somebody the family and friends probably do not know.
 
2013-11-15 06:10:01 PM
Why did they have to blur something in the second photo? Was she topless in the original or something?
 
2013-11-15 06:10:15 PM

Alonjar: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

Really the only explanation for an entire family to get abducted, killed, and then their car left at the border (presumably from the Cartel hitmen leaving it there and crossing back over after the job was done).


www.hollywoodreporter.com

We're the McStays

 
2013-11-15 06:10:18 PM

LesserEvil: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

I think it might be obvious...

They parked their vehicle on the border, walked in to Mexico to pick up a vehicle, drugs hidden in some extreme fashion. They would leave Mexico, just a family seeing the sights, and transport it to a remote location outside Victorville, then somebody would return the to their vehicle. Easy money, kids act as part of the camouflage.

Something went wrong... the drug dealers didn't want to pay them, or offered them much less. The couple balks, and the family is killed. It's remote, and the likelihood of catching their killers is about zero. Chances are, the couple probably had some guy they bought weed from, who gave them the "opportunity" to make some easy, lucrative cash - somebody the family and friends probably do not know.


That....makes a lot of sense, actually.

/will never be a detective
 
2013-11-15 06:14:14 PM
San Bernaghetto as bakerXderek would say
 
2013-11-15 06:14:32 PM

tripleseven: cman: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

We don't know

We can only speculate that it had to do with Mr McStay and his business dealings.

"we" don't know?

I suppose your a member of the fark detective squad or something.


Well, do you know? You don't, do you? Neither do I. Therefore, we don't know. SEE?
 
2013-11-15 06:16:41 PM
After nine days they let the horse run free.
 
2013-11-15 06:20:32 PM
McWho?
 
2013-11-15 06:45:05 PM
I could be misremembering but I thought there was a handyman type person who was good friends with the family that was interviewed for the documentary?  I wonder if he knows more than he has previously mentioned....
 
2013-11-15 06:48:15 PM

Hack Patooey: McWho?


Think smaller, more legs.
 
2013-11-15 06:57:57 PM
I'm a fark faithful. How is this a follow up?
 
2013-11-15 07:08:19 PM
The article didn't specifically state that the kids' remains were found; and the border crossing video shows "the family" entering Mexico.

Childless couple kidnaps the family, kills the parents, and flees with the kids to Mexico?
 
2013-11-15 07:10:29 PM

shift_DAWG: The article didn't specifically state that the kids' remains were found; and the border crossing video shows "the family" entering Mexico.

Childless couple kidnaps the family, kills the parents, and flees with the kids to Mexico?


Four bodies and two of them are the parents

I think we can surely say that the last two are gonna be their kids
 
2013-11-15 07:17:46 PM
They found lots of McRib, too.
 
2013-11-15 07:20:21 PM
images.wikia.com
 
2013-11-15 07:29:17 PM
tripleseven:

"Nobody knows"

I am being a bit of a dick, but, man, I just think it's weird when people associate themselves with things like this.


Don't feel bad, I'm the same way when people are talking about favorite sports teams. Y'know, when folks say stuff like, "if we only did THIS, and not that, we could make the play offs"
 
2013-11-15 07:45:41 PM

Cerebral Knievel: tripleseven:

"Nobody knows"

I am being a bit of a dick, but, man, I just think it's weird when people associate themselves with things like this.

Don't feel bad, I'm the same way when people are talking about favorite sports teams. Y'know, when folks say stuff like, "if we only did THIS, and not that, we could make the play offs"


We won!

Er...

Yeah, drives me nuts.
 
2013-11-15 09:07:51 PM

LesserEvil: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

I think it might be obvious...

They parked their vehicle on the border, walked in to Mexico to pick up a vehicle, drugs hidden in some extreme fashion. They would leave Mexico, just a family seeing the sights, and transport it to a remote location outside Victorville, then somebody would return the to their vehicle. Easy money, kids act as part of the camouflage.

Something went wrong... the drug dealers didn't want to pay them, or offered them much less. The couple balks, and the family is killed. It's remote, and the likelihood of catching their killers is about zero. Chances are, the couple probably had some guy they bought weed from, who gave them the "opportunity" to make some easy, lucrative cash - somebody the family and friends probably do not know.


Why weren't they flagged coming back into the US then?
 
2013-11-15 09:17:30 PM

tripleseven: Cerebral Knievel: tripleseven:

"Nobody knows"

I am being a bit of a dick, but, man, I just think it's weird when people associate themselves with things like this.

Don't feel bad, I'm the same way when people are talking about favorite sports teams. Y'know, when folks say stuff like, "if we only did THIS, and not that, we could make the play offs"

We won!

Er...

Yeah, drives me nuts.


Thought I was the only person who was annoyed by that sure to the funny looks I always get.

"WE really kicked their butts on Sunday!"

"Oh? what position do you play?"

"Whut?"

anyways, article is sad x sad
 
2013-11-15 09:51:10 PM
They left the house suddenly, leaving eggs out on the counter and their dogs loose. If they had intended to go to Mexico to pick up a drug car, they would have put the eggs back in the fridge and arranged care for the dogs. There's no sign of commotion in the house, other than that, but they didn't take anything with them that I can recall. The images of a family walking into Mexico might not have been them.

I hope the police figure out what happened, but I think that's a long shot. I remember seeing this story on a Discovery ID program or something and how upset their family members were that they'd just vanished, but it has to be better to know now that they are dead than never knowing what happened to them. Poor kids. No matter what ends up being the cause of this tragedy, the kids had no fault in it.

/not that the parent necessarily did either
//just that kids are always innocent
 
2013-11-15 10:12:35 PM

miss diminutive: LesserEvil: miss diminutive: Never heard of their case before. It's very strange, were they suspected to be involved in drugs or something? If the theory is that they met with foul play, what was the motive to murder an entire family and bury them in the desert?

I think it might be obvious...

They parked their vehicle on the border, walked in to Mexico to pick up a vehicle, drugs hidden in some extreme fashion. They would leave Mexico, just a family seeing the sights, and transport it to a remote location outside Victorville, then somebody would return the to their vehicle. Easy money, kids act as part of the camouflage.

Something went wrong... the drug dealers didn't want to pay them, or offered them much less. The couple balks, and the family is killed. It's remote, and the likelihood of catching their killers is about zero. Chances are, the couple probably had some guy they bought weed from, who gave them the "opportunity" to make some easy, lucrative cash - somebody the family and friends probably do not know.

That....makes a lot of sense, actually.

/will never be a detective


Except for them ending up in Victorville, which is almost 200 miles north of the border. There's  no reason a cartel would dispose of the bodies in Victorville, given the ready availability of wide expanses of equally barren desert closer to Tijuana or Nogales, plus old Stewmaster and his lake of sulfuric acid.

It's pretty well established now that the "sightings" of the family at the border were not them, so while the abduction theory is not ruled out, the Mexican cartel theory can be. However, given that Mr. McStay was in construction and that Victorville is a meth hotstpot, I myself would not rule out meth freaks.
 
2013-11-15 10:45:33 PM

themindiswatching: Why weren't they flagged coming back into the US then?


Perhaps they were given fake (or somebody else's) ID? The important thing is for them to look like a family.

Gyrfalcon: Except for them ending up in Victorville, which is almost 200 miles north of the border. There's  no reason a cartel would dispose of the bodies in Victorville, given the ready availability of wide expanses of equally barren desert closer to Tijuana or Nogales, plus old Stewmaster and his lake of sulfuric acid.

It's pretty well established now that the "sightings" of the family at the border were not them, so while the abduction theory is not ruled out, the Mexican cartel theory can be. However, given that Mr. McStay was in construction and that Victorville is a meth hotstpot, I myself would not rule out meth freaks.


Well, as I stated, maybe Victorville was the place they were supposed to deliver the vehicle. They are given GPS co-ordinates, with the idea that they would turn the keys over, get their money, and be given a ride back to the border to pick up their vehicle out of the lot.

I can't even begin to imagine the surveillance that probably occurs in the more remote areas within 10 miles of the border. Maybe the delivery was for distributors in the LA area?

Basically, we have their vehicle arriving at the border 4 days after anybody last saw them (which doesn't mean since they left their house), and what appears to be a family heading to the border crossing. I don't think somebody would kill them, bury the bodies NORTH of LA, then go to the border to abandon the vehicle and go into Mexico... I contend it was most likely the family that arrived at the border and crossed into Mexico - so how do they end up back in the US, north of LA, dead? A convoluted smuggling scheme seems the best bet here. If they came back by legitimate means, wouldn't they have been flagged?
 
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2013-11-16 12:52:41 AM

cman: I am glad that they have been found

Been keeping tabs on the McStays since the Disappeared episode

There is a sub-forum on Websleuths that has the most up-to-date information on the investigation

/Websleuths is a website that has amateur investigators look for missing people and try to identify John Does


I too have followed the case. It's my opinion that it's drug related and the hubby crossed the wrong guys or saw the wrong thing. Sure made a lot of money from internet fountains... Curious what your theory is?

Tragic loss of the life, esp. the children
 
2013-11-16 01:24:18 AM

LesserEvil: themindiswatching: Why weren't they flagged coming back into the US then?

Perhaps they were given fake (or somebody else's) ID? The important thing is for them to look like a family.

Gyrfalcon: Except for them ending up in Victorville, which is almost 200 miles north of the border. There's  no reason a cartel would dispose of the bodies in Victorville, given the ready availability of wide expanses of equally barren desert closer to Tijuana or Nogales, plus old Stewmaster and his lake of sulfuric acid.

It's pretty well established now that the "sightings" of the family at the border were not them, so while the abduction theory is not ruled out, the Mexican cartel theory can be. However, given that Mr. McStay was in construction and that Victorville is a meth hotstpot, I myself would not rule out meth freaks.

Well, as I stated, maybe Victorville was the place they were supposed to deliver the vehicle. They are given GPS co-ordinates, with the idea that they would turn the keys over, get their money, and be given a ride back to the border to pick up their vehicle out of the lot.

I can't even begin to imagine the surveillance that probably occurs in the more remote areas within 10 miles of the border. Maybe the delivery was for distributors in the LA area?

Basically, we have their vehicle arriving at the border 4 days after anybody last saw them (which doesn't mean since they left their house), and what appears to be a family heading to the border crossing. I don't think somebody would kill them, bury the bodies NORTH of LA, then go to the border to abandon the vehicle and go into Mexico... I contend it was most likely the family that arrived at the border and crossed into Mexico - so how do they end up back in the US, north of LA, dead? A convoluted smuggling scheme seems the best bet here. If they came back by legitimate means, wouldn't they have been flagged?


Mm, except they started out in Fullerton, which is 100 miles south of Victorville and about 100 miles north of the border. That is a way f*cking convoluted smuggling scheme that would involve taking the whole family a hundred miles south and then a hundred miles north.

IF it was a drug smuggling scheme, what more likely happened is that the family never went south at all, but went north the whole time (to Victorville) and was killed and buried there shortly after they disappeared; then someone else took the vehicle south either fleeing to Mexico or to throw off the cops. The supposed sightings consist of a couple of bad shots on the border cameras, and some supposed "sightings" that have since been proven to be misidentifications (a mom, a dad and 2 kids).

After all, Mexico isn't the only source of drugs and demented killers down here. The Mongols among others never operated near the border; all the biker gangs run out of Lancaster and the high desert communities. Now I'm very likely wrong, of course; but too many people automatically look to the Mexican cartels when they think "drug smuggling" in So Cal. The white supremacists and bikers up in the high desert never seem to get a look-see, but they're out there killing people like crazy too.
 
2013-11-16 03:51:53 AM
I remember seeing a show on them awhile back and just the other day they randomly popped into my head. I intended to google to see if there were any updates and forgot.


This sucks :( poor kids.
 
2013-11-16 09:40:42 AM
Maybe it was more like this:
www.selfmade-solutions.com
 
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