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(Onion AV Club)   A look back at Marvel's biggest publishing mistake, 1987's "New Universe" debacle, which still isn't nearly as awful as DC's New 52   (avclub.com) divider line 103
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2013-11-15 02:29:24 PM
I liked the New Universe.
 
2013-11-15 02:36:43 PM
I vaguely remember liking DP7 and thinking that Kickers Inc. was god awful crap.
 
2013-11-15 02:37:07 PM
There were a couple of decent titles in the New Universe.

Secret Wars, on the other hand, was terrible.  And Secret Wars II was (terrible)^2.
 
2013-11-15 02:40:46 PM
Still not as dreadful as the whole "Secret Wars" scam (which was all just a racket created by then Editor-In-Chief Jim Shooter to get a huge slice of royalties for every marvel toy made with "Secret Wars" on the package).

/Jim Shooter really is a slimeball.
 
2013-11-15 02:41:53 PM
Uh, what Subby?  NU was an interesting concept.  Loved this in the article:

As a show of contempt for their unpopular ex-boss, Byrne and his guests burned Shooter in effigy in Byrne's backyard. Before they did, though, they stuffed copies of unsold New Universe comics, Star Brand presumably included, into the effigy's coat pockets. Adding insult to injury, Byrne would soon have the character of Star Brand destroy the entire city of Pittsburgh-Shooter's hometown.

That's payback right there.
 
2013-11-15 02:42:33 PM
Oh, and the article missed one, Willingham's Elementals did superheroes in a realistic world a couple of years before Watchman and did it better.
 
2013-11-15 02:47:17 PM

Rwa2play: Uh, what Subby?  NU was an interesting concept.  Loved this in the article:

As a show of contempt for their unpopular ex-boss, Byrne and his guests burned Shooter in effigy in Byrne's backyard. Before they did, though, they stuffed copies of unsold New Universe comics, Star Brand presumably included, into the effigy's coat pockets. Adding insult to injury, Byrne would soon have the character of Star Brand destroy the entire city of Pittsburgh-Shooter's hometown.

That's payback right there.


More amusing when you consider that elements of the New Universe storyline were recently being used in the Avengers series.  A new version of Star Brand was being used in one of the Avengers comics.
 
2013-11-15 02:50:17 PM
New Universe was trying something new. Yeah, it may have failed, but they tried something different.

Nu52 is rehashed shiat, usually 20 issues of crap based on a two panel sequence or throwaway line from a 6 page Story Alan Moore shat out in 1983, rastafied and made EXXXXXTTTTRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEMMMMMEEEEEEEEE by hacks who insist everything be the same as it was when they were 12-years-old in the 1970s, and will happily jettison years of character development to make it so.
 
2013-11-15 02:57:24 PM

Latinwolf: Rwa2play: Uh, what Subby?  NU was an interesting concept.  Loved this in the article:

As a show of contempt for their unpopular ex-boss, Byrne and his guests burned Shooter in effigy in Byrne's backyard. Before they did, though, they stuffed copies of unsold New Universe comics, Star Brand presumably included, into the effigy's coat pockets. Adding insult to injury, Byrne would soon have the character of Star Brand destroy the entire city of Pittsburgh-Shooter's hometown.

That's payback right there.

More amusing when you consider that elements of the New Universe storyline were recently being used in the Avengers series.  A new version of Star Brand was being used in one of the Avengers comics.


How about in the main title itself and became part of "Infinity".

FirstNationalBastard: New Universe was trying something new. Yeah, it may have failed, but they tried something different.

Nu52 is rehashed shiat, usually 20 issues of crap based on a two panel sequence or throwaway line from a 6 page Story Alan Moore shat out in 1983, rastafied and made EXXXXXTTTTRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEMMMMMEEEEEEEEE by hacks who insist everything be the same as it was when they were 12-years-old in the 1970s, and will happily jettison years of character development to make it so.


The "nu52" is basically DC's version of Marvel's UU...except they're doing it while replacing the existing DCU.

Could've made it an Elseworlds line and made decent money.
 
2013-11-15 03:00:59 PM
I would like to be this guy

ts1.mm.bing.net

but not crazy... well not any crazier than I am already.
 
2013-11-15 03:11:26 PM

neversubmit: I would like to be this guy



but not crazy... well not any crazier than I am already.


Rodstvow was seriously badass.
 
2013-11-15 03:15:01 PM
I picked up several Issue #1s of New Universe when they came out to bank them. They've gone down in value, apparently.
 
2013-11-15 03:21:13 PM

FirstNationalBastard: New Universe was trying something new. Yeah, it may have failed, but they tried something different.

Nu52 is rehashed shiat, usually 20 issues of crap based on a two panel sequence or throwaway line from a 6 page Story Alan Moore shat out in 1983, rastafied and made EXXXXXTTTTRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEMMMMMEEEEEEEEE by hacks who insist everything be the same as it was when they were 12-years-old in the 1970s, and will happily jettison years of character development to make it so.


Between this and the terrible movies I just can't believe DC sucks so hard. They are squandering great intellectual properties. Some of the 2d animated movies are good and that's all they really have to offer.
 
2013-11-15 03:24:21 PM
I liked some of the New Universe titles, most notably DP7 and Justice.

And the crossover events were great, like the Pitt and Civil War storylines.
 
2013-11-15 03:28:54 PM
#32 in a 32 issue limited series featured The Joker from Batman.

static.comicvine.com
 
2013-11-15 03:36:12 PM
There are good New 52 books...there are shiatty New 52 books.

There are good Marvel books...there are shiatty Marvel books.

Lumping the whole line into "it's crap" just because you can't get over the fact that DC rebooted themselves for about the fifth time -- that's just serious butthurt.

DEAR INTERNET,

I AM VERY ANGRY AT COMIC BOOKS!
 
2013-11-15 03:46:06 PM

FirstNationalBastard: New Universe was trying something new. Yeah, it may have failed, but they tried something different.

Nu52 is rehashed shiat, usually 20 issues of crap based on a two panel sequence or throwaway line from a 6 page Story Alan Moore shat out in 1983, rastafied and made EXXXXXTTTTRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEMMMMMEEEEEEEEE by hacks who insist everything be the same as it was when they were 12-years-old in the 1970s, and will happily jettison years of character development to make it so.


That's the part that always cracks me up.  You want to try a new direction?  Hey no problem, but genuinely try something different.  Having the Joker cut his face off or Riddler shaving a ? onto his head might sound cool at first, but the longer you look at it the more you begin to realize how retarded it actually is.

/would've liked to have seen something more along the lines of "The Joker" noir comic than whatever the hell this crap is.
 
2013-11-15 03:47:32 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-15 03:50:18 PM

TV's Vinnie: Still not as dreadful as the whole "Secret Wars" scam (which was all just a racket created by then Editor-In-Chief Jim Shooter to get a huge slice of royalties for every marvel toy made with "Secret Wars" on the package).

/Jim Shooter really is a slimeball.



I love Secret Wars.
Hulk holds up a mountain range, Ironman has roller skates, black suit spiderman and the misunderstood nerd gets the chick with huge bazooms.
It was poetry when I was 7.
 
2013-11-15 03:51:04 PM

Flappyhead: FirstNationalBastard: New Universe was trying something new. Yeah, it may have failed, but they tried something different.

Nu52 is rehashed shiat, usually 20 issues of crap based on a two panel sequence or throwaway line from a 6 page Story Alan Moore shat out in 1983, rastafied and made EXXXXXTTTTRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEMMMMMEEEEEEEEE by hacks who insist everything be the same as it was when they were 12-years-old in the 1970s, and will happily jettison years of character development to make it so.

That's the part that always cracks me up.  You want to try a new direction?  Hey no problem, but genuinely try something different.  Having the Joker cut his face off or Riddler shaving a ? onto his head might sound cool at first, but the longer you look at it the more you begin to realize how retarded it actually is.

/would've liked to have seen something more along the lines of "The Joker" noir comic than whatever the hell this crap is.


Neither of those sound like good ideas... neither does giving Joker superpowers.
 
2013-11-15 03:54:45 PM

Flappyhead: FirstNationalBastard: New Universe was trying something new. Yeah, it may have failed, but they tried something different.

Nu52 is rehashed shiat, usually 20 issues of crap based on a two panel sequence or throwaway line from a 6 page Story Alan Moore shat out in 1983, rastafied and made EXXXXXTTTTRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEMMMMMEEEEEEEEE by hacks who insist everything be the same as it was when they were 12-years-old in the 1970s, and will happily jettison years of character development to make it so.

That's the part that always cracks me up.  You want to try a new direction?  Hey no problem, but genuinely try something different.  Having the Joker cut his face off or Riddler shaving a ? onto his head might sound cool at first, but the longer you look at it the more you begin to realize how retarded it actually is.

/would've liked to have seen something more along the lines of "The Joker" noir comic than whatever the hell this crap is.


The funniest thing about NuDC is that they basically said "We've been doing shiat work the past couple years and drove our audience away. So we're doing this now!"

And what did they do? Gave the books back to the same group of writers and editors who had been doing shiat work the past two years and drove off their audience... but with a #1 on the cover.

/of course, now, they're basically down to Johns, Scott Lobdell, and a bunch of guys you've never heard of, because they drove away everyone else with their editorial stupidity.
 
2013-11-15 04:14:54 PM

Fafai: Some of the 2d animated movies are good and that's all they really have to offer.


Arrow is actually quite good (especially considering its a relatively low budget show on the CW.) had a lengthy discussion with my GF last night about how disney has spent all this time and money on AoS for network TV and its not as good as the quirky little B list hero show on a third tier channel mostly known for aiming at tween girls.
 
2013-11-15 04:18:32 PM

Space Station Wagon: TV's Vinnie: Still not as dreadful as the whole "Secret Wars" scam (which was all just a racket created by then Editor-In-Chief Jim Shooter to get a huge slice of royalties for every marvel toy made with "Secret Wars" on the package).

/Jim Shooter really is a slimeball.


I love Secret Wars.
Hulk holds up a mountain range, Ironman has roller skates, black suit spiderman and the misunderstood nerd gets the chick with huge bazooms.
It was poetry when I was 7.


And Doom totally annihilated every hero with a bolt from the blue, after beating Galactus. It was a fun time on battle world.

Better than house of m or the clone saga or inferno.
 
2013-11-15 04:21:51 PM

Flappyhead: That's the part that always cracks me up.  You want to try a new direction?  Hey no problem, but genuinely try something different.  Having the Joker cut his face off or Riddler shaving a ? onto his head might sound cool at first, but the longer you look at it the more you begin to realize how retarded it actually is.


Yet the DC fanboys will say "NO, DON'T YOU SEE HOW COOL THAT IS?"  Here's my question: HOW THE FARK DOES THE JOKER CUTTING HIS OWN FACE OFF PROGRESS THE CHARACTER?

Even his crappiest, 70s era stories served some purpose to progress him.  That served no purpose other than being "different"; sorta like giving Daredevil a new costume.
 
2013-11-15 04:24:36 PM

tlchwi02: Fafai: Some of the 2d animated movies are good and that's all they really have to offer.

Arrow is actually quite good (especially considering its a relatively low budget show on the CW.) had a lengthy discussion with my GF last night about how disney has spent all this time and money on AoS for network TV and its not as good as the quirky little B list hero show on a third tier channel mostly known for aiming at tween girls.


DC's motivation = Throwing shiat at the wall and hope something sticks.  In that light yeah, DC's succeeding at it.
Marvel's motivation = Wanting to progress the MU; again, in that light they're not doing as well as they should.
 
2013-11-15 04:29:20 PM

FirstNationalBastard: The funniest thing about NuDC is that they basically said "We've been doing shiat work the past couple years and drove our audience away. So we're doing this now!"

And what did they do? Gave the books back to the same group of writers and editors who had been doing shiat work the past two years and drove off their audience... but with a #1 on the cover.

/of course, now, they're basically down to Johns, Scott Lobdell, and a bunch of guys you've never heard of, because they drove away everyone else with their editorial stupidity.


From top to bottom everything at DC at this point is pointing towards "WE NEED OUR SALES NUMBERS TO CLIMB!"
Marvel?  Same motivation mind you, but it's a lot more subtle because...they're giving the fans what they want.
 
2013-11-15 04:31:31 PM

Rwa2play: DC's motivation = Throwing shiat at the wall and hope something sticks. In that light yeah, DC's succeeding at it.


i think thats a bit unfair to DC's TV world. smallville and now arrow have both been solid examples of how you can create a sustained live action small screen comic adaptation. AoS is an example of how you completely throw everything good about adapting comics completely out the window.

is the real money in making a marvel movie universe? well yeah, of course. but its not really fair to rip into DC's long standing succesful TV track record either.
 
2013-11-15 04:42:46 PM

tlchwi02: Fafai: Some of the 2d animated movies are good and that's all they really have to offer.

Arrow is actually quite good (especially considering its a relatively low budget show on the CW.) had a lengthy discussion with my GF last night about how disney has spent all this time and money on AoS for network TV and its not as good as the quirky little B list hero show on a third tier channel mostly known for aiming at tween girls.


When the first episode was about to come out, I was saying to friends that the show was going to be terrible - now it's probably the one I look most forward to each week.

I continuallly hope that surrounding parties (ie. TV execs and the like) can just stay away from it as long as possible because what the current team has done has worked pretty damn well.
 
2013-11-15 04:44:51 PM
If a person was going to try and make a comic book set in real time then I suspect the only way to do it would be to have characters that were functionally immortal like vampires or demigods.
 
2013-11-15 04:45:50 PM
I'm the weirdo who likes nu52.  I was out of comics for around 20 years and i couldn't relate to any of the story-lines from either publisher.  DC rebooted and gave me a #1 to start with.  Is it perfect?  Nope.  Did it give me a place to start reading and enjoy comic books casually again without feeling like I needed to wiki ever third page?  Yessir.
 
2013-11-15 04:47:51 PM
Plus DC Animated Universe is top notch BTAS, STAS and Justice League, plus all the one offs. Normally much better than Marvel animation

However I did like
Avengers animated movies
Avengers Earths Mightest Heroes
Spectacular Spider-man
Ultimate spider-man (isn't too bad)
Thor, tales of Asgard.
 
2013-11-15 04:52:20 PM

tlchwi02: Rwa2play: DC's motivation = Throwing shiat at the wall and hope something sticks. In that light yeah, DC's succeeding at it.

i think thats a bit unfair to DC's TV world. smallville and now arrow have both been solid examples of how you can create a sustained live action small screen comic adaptation. AoS is an example of how you completely throw everything good about adapting comics completely out the window.

is the real money in making a marvel movie universe? well yeah, of course. but its not really fair to rip into DC's long standing succesful TV track record either.


I haven't watched Arrow yet, but Smallville was flawed.  Entertaining to a point, but flawed.  It really tried to be too cutesy with the in-jokes, and it was so plot-driven (as opposed to character-driven) that people would behave in baffling manners just to extend a storyline out for a season or so.

I mean, basically if Clark just tells the love of his live his secret a lot earlier, 75% of the show never happens.
 
2013-11-15 04:56:15 PM

FirstNationalBastard: New Universe was trying something new. Yeah, it may have failed, but they tried something different.


From the article: These were derivative as shiat. Spitfire looked like Iron Man. Justice looked like Longshot. Merc looked like The Punisher. D.P. 7 was such a bald-faced X-Men rip-off, it was embarrassing. For that matter, so was Psi-Force. In fact, D.P. 7 and Psi-Force were the same comic book, really-slight variations on the pariah-hero archetype that Marvel had flogged for so long before The New Universe came around.
 
2013-11-15 04:58:29 PM

cheer: I haven't watched Arrow yet, but Smallville was flawed. Entertaining to a point, but flawed. It really tried to be too cutesy with the in-jokes, and it was so plot-driven (as opposed to character-driven) that people would behave in baffling manners just to extend a storyline out for a season or so.


there was more than a bit of soap opera in its DNA. Still, if you want to sustain a show on a modest budget for a decade, you're going to have to make some compromises in plotting. Also, i like the cutesy stuff. comics are pretty ridiculous and thats part of the appeal to me.
 
2013-11-15 05:02:34 PM

Latinwolf: More amusing when you consider that elements of the New Universe storyline were recently being used in the Avengers series. A new version of Star Brand was being used in one of the Avengers comics.


Starbrand, Nightmask, and White Events are all major components of the ongoing Infinity storyline.  I'm not familiar with the New Universe at all, but I'd love to see some wild fanboy speculation as to what's going on.
 
2013-11-15 05:04:17 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: FirstNationalBastard: New Universe was trying something new. Yeah, it may have failed, but they tried something different.

From the article: These were derivative as shiat. Spitfire looked like Iron Man. Justice looked like Longshot. Merc looked like The Punisher. D.P. 7 was such a bald-faced X-Men rip-off, it was embarrassing. For that matter, so was Psi-Force. In fact, D.P. 7 and Psi-Force were the same comic book, really-slight variations on the pariah-hero archetype that Marvel had flogged for so long before The New Universe came around.


Yeah, the writer is wrong on every count, except in the vaguest of associations (artists tending towards a style, similar tropes). Spitfire looked nothing like even the original gray IM armor, and was more of a mini-mech than any of the other IM suits. Justice was a broad-shouldered man with short white hair, Longshot is a slender teen-looking guy with long hair, DP7 had very little in common with the X-Men, except maybe group of people with different powers, and then it can also be said to be the Avengers or the Justice League, except they still had nothing else in common. Psi-Force was only similar to DP7 in "people with different powers" again. Merc looked nothing like Frank Castle at all.
 
2013-11-15 05:09:59 PM

cheer: tlchwi02: Rwa2play: DC's motivation = Throwing shiat at the wall and hope something sticks. In that light yeah, DC's succeeding at it.

i think thats a bit unfair to DC's TV world. smallville and now arrow have both been solid examples of how you can create a sustained live action small screen comic adaptation. AoS is an example of how you completely throw everything good about adapting comics completely out the window.

is the real money in making a marvel movie universe? well yeah, of course. but its not really fair to rip into DC's long standing succesful TV track record either.

I haven't watched Arrow yet, but Smallville was flawed.  Entertaining to a point, but flawed.  It really tried to be too cutesy with the in-jokes, and it was so plot-driven (as opposed to character-driven) that people would behave in baffling manners just to extend a storyline out for a season or so.

I mean, basically if Clark just tells the love of his live his secret a lot earlier, 75% of the show never happens.


That and you could've cut a lot of the filler and the series would've been, what, only 6-8 seasons long?
 
2013-11-15 05:17:49 PM

tlchwi02: cheer: I haven't watched Arrow yet, but Smallville was flawed. Entertaining to a point, but flawed. It really tried to be too cutesy with the in-jokes, and it was so plot-driven (as opposed to character-driven) that people would behave in baffling manners just to extend a storyline out for a season or so.

there was more than a bit of soap opera in its DNA. Still, if you want to sustain a show on a modest budget for a decade, you're going to have to make some compromises in plotting. Also, i like the cutesy stuff. comics are pretty ridiculous and thats part of the appeal to me.


Budget has nothing to do with it.  When the characters behave in a way that  nobody alive would for no other reason than if they  did behave realistically the plot would fall apart, you've got a problem IMO.

And cutesy in-jokes are all well and good unless they're stretched past the breaking point.  Like the lengths they went to to get the dog in a shot with what appeared to be a red cape on its back, just for a Krypto reference.  It's "would you prefer yellow spandex" taken to a cringe-worthy extreme.

Don't misunderstand me; I enjoyed the show overall.  Tom Welling did a cromulent job, Michael Rosenbaum stole every damned scene he was in, and Erica Durance was the best on-screen Lois ever, and it's not close.  But from a pure writing perspective, it was pretty mediocre as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-11-15 05:23:25 PM
I personally liked Justice a lot and Nightmask a bit less. Looking back, it is easy to see that they had goals without direction - they wanted to do something big but didn't have a plan as to where it was going. I would still like to go back and get all the Justice ones and read it for nostalgia.
 
2013-11-15 05:30:37 PM

Rwa2play: Flappyhead: That's the part that always cracks me up.  You want to try a new direction?  Hey no problem, but genuinely try something different.  Having the Joker cut his face off or Riddler shaving a ? onto his head might sound cool at first, but the longer you look at it the more you begin to realize how retarded it actually is.

Yet the DC fanboys will say "NO, DON'T YOU SEE HOW COOL THAT IS?"  Here's my question: HOW THE FARK DOES THE JOKER CUTTING HIS OWN FACE OFF PROGRESS THE CHARACTER?

Even his crappiest, 70s era stories served some purpose to progress him.  That served no purpose other than being "different"; sorta like giving Daredevil a new costume.


I'm with you. I don't really see where this is going and I barely care. I loved Grant Morrison's Batman run just previous to the reboot and I can't believe we're stuck on this claptrap now. Professor Pyg was farking horrifying and should come back right away. It was cool to see the Batmen of the World, the issue of Batman & Robin where they go to France is one of the most brilliant Bat-things I've ever read. They were on a roll before the reboot and it seems like everybody has lost too much momentum.

I like some of the New 52, but not the things I used to like and they keep cancelling the new things that I was enjoying.

It's hard to be a true Bat Fan these days.
 
2013-11-15 05:35:18 PM
Read manga. Dragonball Z was a lot better than crime fighters in tights.
 
2013-11-15 05:46:23 PM
I want two things: Batgirl 2009 to come back, and for Joe Quesada to burn for "One More Day".

I'm simple that way.
 
2013-11-15 05:54:36 PM
DP7 was really good i think i have all of them, Starbrand Started out good then turned into a crappy James Bond rip off and from there it got steadily worse. All the rest of them were pure garbage from the start.

Some of the characters from DP7 were really well thought out and and character development went well. The end of the series was kinda crappy but that was the whole NuU imploding in stupidity.
 
2013-11-15 05:56:40 PM
No, sub by New Universe was friggin genius compared to "Civil War".
 
2013-11-15 06:13:20 PM
Fano:
Better than house of m or the clone saga or inferno.

I'm actually old enough to remember the original clone saga from the early 70's issues of Spider Man.

When the girl Spider rescued after the bad guy's lair was destroyed and all those other Parker clones were dead, she asked if he was the real Spidey or just a clone. All Spidey could do is stand there with his mind blown going "Far out".
 
2013-11-15 06:20:51 PM
I take it that all my New Universe first issue originals are worthless? I always had the best luck picking the high value ones.
 
2013-11-15 06:27:10 PM

TheZorker: I want two things: Batgirl 2009 to come back, and for Joe Quesada to burn for "One More Day".

I'm simple that way.


Marvel killing Spider-Girl's book just to give the name to Joey Q's pet character was the beginning of the end of my buying comics on a weekly basis.

But NuDC made sure I made the weekly habit once and for all.


Farking Canuck: I take it that all my New Universe first issue originals are worthless? I always had the best luck picking the high value ones.


Pretty much every comic book from around 1980-present is worthless, with the exception of a small amount of "key" issues.

And no, #1 doesn't mean it's worth a damn.

/I love hitting the internet and picking up a run of books for between 50 cents and a dollar a book. They're great books, but they're worthless. If you're a reader, it's a great thing because you can read virtually anything from the past 30 years very cheaply. If you're a speculator, it's your worst nightmare.
 
2013-11-15 06:30:48 PM
About half way through this right now. Good reading, especially since I stopped collecting and following Marvel in the mid 1980s and never really knew much about how the company developed later. The awful money-grubbing crossover laden methods Marvel was really ramping up in the 80s (as described by the book) are the reason I stopped reading Marvel.  But make no mistake, Marvel has always been a slimy company, regardless of some of theexceptionally talented people it exploited ruthlessly employed over the decades.


ecx.images-amazon.com


/goes back to reading silver age Ditko and Kirby
 
2013-11-15 06:55:07 PM

Doc Batarang: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: That's the part that always cracks me up.  You want to try a new direction?  Hey no problem, but genuinely try something different.  Having the Joker cut his face off or Riddler shaving a ? onto his head might sound cool at first, but the longer you look at it the more you begin to realize how retarded it actually is.

Yet the DC fanboys will say "NO, DON'T YOU SEE HOW COOL THAT IS?"  Here's my question: HOW THE FARK DOES THE JOKER CUTTING HIS OWN FACE OFF PROGRESS THE CHARACTER?

Even his crappiest, 70s era stories served some purpose to progress him.  That served no purpose other than being "different"; sorta like giving Daredevil a new costume.

I'm with you. I don't really see where this is going and I barely care. I loved Grant Morrison's Batman run just previous to the reboot and I can't believe we're stuck on this claptrap now.



So... do you expect that this (the 52) will continue? Or that in a year or two they will find someway to either re-reboot or un-reboot?
 
2013-11-15 06:56:47 PM

TheZorker: I want two things: Batgirl 2009 to come back, and for Joe Quesada to burn for "One More Day".

I'm simple that way.


One More Day was a mess, but the events leading up to it were awesome. Back In Black is one of my favorite arcs.
 
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