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(Some Guy)   Read your Bible a bit? Great Welcome to the Republican party. Read your Bible a bit more? Great Welcome to the Democratic party   (christianitytoday.com) divider line 204
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2013-11-15 12:30:31 PM
I'm surprised that anyone would find this in any way surprising.

I guess the pollsters didn't really read their bibles, huh?
 
2013-11-15 12:31:56 PM
*grabs a bucket of popcorn*
 
2013-11-15 12:32:45 PM
Why do you need to read it when a leader can tell you what they think it says?

Also, why am I am the only reader amongst my peers?
 
2013-11-15 12:40:54 PM
the bible... well, the new testament (you know, the one with jesus in it) is essentially a liberal manifesto. it's the reason that rightwing fundies tend to quote the old testament so much.
 
2013-11-15 12:42:31 PM

lockers: Why do you need to read it when a leader can tell you what they think it says?

Also, why am I am the only reader amongst my peers?


There's a big difference between reading individual verses (like you might in a bible study or during a sermon) and actually sitting down and reading through whole sections.
 
2013-11-15 12:45:10 PM

FlashHarry: the bible... well, the new testament (you know, the one with jesus in it) is essentially a liberal manifesto. it's the reason that rightwing fundies tend to quote the old testament so much.


www.themint.org.uk
 
2013-11-15 12:50:43 PM
Reading the Bible can also make you atheist, because there is some ridiculous stuff in there.
 
2013-11-15 12:52:23 PM
We have cookies.
 
2013-11-15 12:52:42 PM

nmrsnr: Reading the Bible can also make you atheist, because there is some ridiculous stuff in there.


That's exactly what happened to me.
 
2013-11-15 12:52:48 PM

reillan: FlashHarry: the bible... well, the new testament (you know, the one with jesus in it) is essentially a liberal manifesto. it's the reason that rightwing fundies tend to quote the old testament so much.

[www.themint.org.uk image 369x359]


That is the worst portrait of Che Guevara I've ever seen.
 
2013-11-15 12:53:59 PM
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2013-11-15 12:55:10 PM
The average household has four bibles?  Really?
 
2013-11-15 12:55:19 PM
Frequent Bible reading has some predictable effects on the reader. It increases opposition to abortion as well as homosexual marriage and unions. It boosts a belief that science helps reveal God's glory. It diminishes hopes that science will eventually solve humanity's problems. But unlike some other religious practices, reading the Bible more often has some liberalizing effects-or at least makes the reader more prone to agree with liberals on certain issues. This is true even when accounting for factors such as political beliefs, education level, income level, gender, race, and religious measures (like which religious tradition one affiliates with, and one's views of biblical literalism).


So you end up more opposed to the dems bread and butter but a little more lenient on the side issues?  Well OK then.
 
2013-11-15 12:56:44 PM

urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?


Always carry a spare.
 
2013-11-15 12:58:32 PM

urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?


Different versions.
 
2013-11-15 12:59:50 PM

FlashHarry: the bible... well, the new testament (you know, the one with jesus in it) is essentially a liberal manifesto. it's the reason that rightwing fundies tend to quote the old testament so much.


Sadly THIS.
 
2013-11-15 01:00:42 PM
There's a word for hook nosed, shifty eyed, gold hoarding bastards who only enjoy half the Bible.


Republicans
 
2013-11-15 01:00:52 PM

Saiga410: Frequent Bible reading has some predictable effects on the reader. It increases opposition to abortion as well as homosexual marriage and unions. It boosts a belief that science helps reveal God's glory. It diminishes hopes that science will eventually solve humanity's problems. But unlike some other religious practices, reading the Bible more often has some liberalizing effects-or at least makes the reader more prone to agree with liberals on certain issues. This is true even when accounting for factors such as political beliefs, education level, income level, gender, race, and religious measures (like which religious tradition one affiliates with, and one's views of biblical literalism).


So you end up more opposed to the dems bread and butter loaves and fishes but a little more lenient on the side issues?  Well OK then.


There, more Bibley.

Also, did you by any chance mean to write what you did in reverse? Abortion and gay rights are more peripheral (if important) wedge issues than core components of liberalism.
 
2013-11-15 01:01:02 PM
If the pages are used as rolling paper is the ink safe or not?
 
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2013-11-15 01:01:36 PM

sendtodave: urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?

Always carry a spare.


I even have one. It's next to the rest of my fiction.
 
2013-11-15 01:01:57 PM

urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?


I hope someone enjoys having 8 Bibles.
 
2013-11-15 01:02:34 PM
Question for people who are in psychological/sociological/etc. fields - how do you separate "reading the bible more makes you more against abortion/the gays/etc." and "people who are against those things are more likely to read their bibles more often"?

I ask because there's not a lot in the actual bible espousing those positions, so it seems odd that repeated readings alone would reinforce those views, rather than simply increased religiosity.
 
2013-11-15 01:02:44 PM

urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?


Considering there are probably lots of households with no bibles, that means some folks have more than that.
 
2013-11-15 01:02:48 PM

urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?


When folks die, their children inherit their bibles.   Its one of those things that people think it is sacrilegious to throw a bible away or burn it.  I think my dad has 6 full sized American flags for the same reason.
 
2013-11-15 01:03:25 PM

urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?


Hmmm... We've probably got four bibles lying around. My childhood Good News version, my wife's old one, the one I got at Confirmation, and a Gideon.

Come to think on it. We've probably got several Gideon bibles hiding around the house. They're ninja-like those Gideons.

That's not counting electronic versions.

/Both Christian. Liberal Christian. Attending church irregularly.
 
2013-11-15 01:03:28 PM
As soon as I started taking my faith seriously, I also began my exodus from the republican party, and that was before it was totally off the rails like it is today.  If you read what it says then you begin to feel a bit uncomfortable about what your party is saying, the policies it is fight against as well as those it is fighting in favor.  I came to the conclusion that I could not hold both positions simultaneously and  finally broke completely with the party.

Today, I simply do not understand how you can believe the Christian doctrine and support the GOP.  It is not just a tension between the two anymore, they are completely at odds with one another.  I have seen some televangelist say some things that are simply beyond incredible.  Joel Olsteen is like a second rate Tony Robbins who describes God as your personal genie.  It is all about "you" at his place.  I defy you to find any mention of Jesus in his sermons.  Truthfully, one of the best arguments against God is the fact that several of these capitalist shamans have not gotten smited.

No wonder young people and others are fleeing the church.
 
2013-11-15 01:04:21 PM

urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?


Non-Christian here, and I have three. Catholic Student for the footnotes, NRSV for the modernness, and St John's Illuminated NRSV for the art.
 
2013-11-15 01:06:11 PM
Some people seem to get to the smiting and thou shall not's and stop there.

Others continue on to "blessed are the meek" and "He has anointed me to bring good news to the poor."
 
2013-11-15 01:06:32 PM
False subby. Actually reading the bible turns you into an atheist.
 
2013-11-15 01:07:42 PM

nmrsnr: Reading the Bible can also make you atheist, because there is some ridiculous stuff in there.


Yes.

Read a little: Republican
Read more: Democrat
Read it all: Atheist.
 
2013-11-15 01:08:47 PM
I don't understand this. The Bible is an amazingly complex collection of diverse books that span centuries and cultures as well as encompassing two very distinct traditions (oral and written). There are many translations and even more interpretations of the collections.
If you think that your understanding of the Bible makes you a Republican or a Democrat, than you have an extremely simplistic understanding of the book and, by extension, you lack attention to detail and the ability to understand complexities
 
2013-11-15 01:08:51 PM
I've probably accumulated three or four bibles over the years.

/Raised as a lapsed Catholic
//Catholic middle and high school
 
2013-11-15 01:09:39 PM

urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?


I'm an atheist, and I have two Bibles (although we may have thrown out the Children's bible my wife's step-grandmother got my children, which skipped the Crucifixion and Resurrection instead ending with "Jesus loves all the little children"), a Qur'an, a Book of Mormon, the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, and something dubbed "The Buddhist Bible", by Dwight Goddard.
 
2013-11-15 01:10:00 PM

nmrsnr: Reading the Bible can also make you atheist, because there is some ridiculous stuff in there.


Genesis 19.  Total.  Insanity.

As brought to you by the geniuses who made the Washington rap.
 
2013-11-15 01:10:38 PM

Frank N Stein: I don't understand this. The Bible is an amazingly complex collection of diverse books that span centuries and cultures as well as encompassing two very distinct traditions (oral and written). There are many translations and even more interpretations of the collections.
If you think that your understanding of the Bible makes you a Republican or a Democrat, than you have an extremely simplistic understanding of the book and, by extension, you lack attention to detail and the ability to understand complexities


And those who understand complexities tend to vote Democrat, so...
 
2013-11-15 01:10:57 PM

DemonEater: Question for people who are in psychological/sociological/etc. fields - how do you separate "reading the bible more makes you more against abortion/the gays/etc." and "people who are against those things are more likely to read their bibles more often"?

I ask because there's not a lot in the actual bible espousing those positions, so it seems odd that repeated readings alone would reinforce those views, rather than simply increased religiosity.


There's a third possible avenue for correlation, in that reading your Bible more often may cause someone to identify more with Christians as a group, whose cultural stance on these issues is widely known.
 
2013-11-15 01:12:14 PM

urbangirl: The average household has four bibles?  Really?


Without the deep south, that number would probably be under one.
 
2013-11-15 01:12:23 PM

FlashHarry: the bible... well, the new testament (you know, the one with jesus in it) is essentially a liberal manifesto. it's the reason that rightwing fundies tend to quote the old testament so much.


If those thirteen books written by Paul are a liberal manifesto, I might as well vote conservative.
 
2013-11-15 01:13:19 PM

Saiga410: Frequent Bible reading has some predictable effects on the reader. It increases opposition to abortion as well as homosexual marriage and unions. It boosts a belief that science helps reveal God's glory. It diminishes hopes that science will eventually solve humanity's problems. But unlike some other religious practices, reading the Bible more often has some liberalizing effects-or at least makes the reader more prone to agree with liberals on certain issues. This is true even when accounting for factors such as political beliefs, education level, income level, gender, race, and religious measures (like which religious tradition one affiliates with, and one's views of biblical literalism).


So you end up more opposed to the dems bread and butter but a little more lenient on the side issues?  Well OK then.


Social justice isn't a "side issue," and abortion and gay rights are not the "bread and butter" of the Democratic Party. They are causes we are forced to champion because the Republicans would bring us forced breeding and prohibition of gayness if we didn't. We would much rather be talking about the slow repeal of labor rights and the campaign to privatize Social Security.
 
2013-11-15 01:13:26 PM
Jesus was very Progressive for his time.   if he was alive today, he'd be called a Liberal.  or the "L" word, as Saint Ronnie Raygun would say.


that's why the CONservatives (status quo Owner folks) stuck him on the cross.  to make an example of him and keep 'dem librals in check'.


now you know!
 
2013-11-15 01:14:42 PM
GOP: Satan's favorite party
 
2013-11-15 01:15:09 PM

wellreadneck: FlashHarry: the bible... well, the new testament (you know, the one with jesus in it) is essentially a liberal manifesto. it's the reason that rightwing fundies tend to quote the old testament so much.

If those thirteen books written by Paul are a liberal manifesto, I might as well vote conservative.


Worst. Biblical. Author. Ever.

Good stuff in the Gospels, though.
 
2013-11-15 01:15:33 PM
Oh, and cue the sermons from fundie dominionist guys about how you need to read the Bible in "the right way", otherwise, you turn liberal Democrat.
 
2013-11-15 01:15:33 PM

ManRay: nmrsnr: Reading the Bible can also make you atheist, because there is some ridiculous stuff in there.

Yes.

Read a little: Republican
Read more: Democrat
Read it all: Atheist.


Read the Old Testament: Republican
Read the New Testament: Democrat
Read it all: Atheist

FTFY
 
2013-11-15 01:15:35 PM

nmrsnr: Reading the Bible can also make you atheist, because there is some ridiculous stuff in there.



any 2000 year old book is going to have ridiculous stuff.  just like 2000 years from now (if mankind is still around) , they'll look at our books and find alot of crazy shiat.

its called Progress.  Evolution.
 
2013-11-15 01:16:09 PM
When I was a young man I read all about the scourging and the crowning with thorns and I could viddy myself helping in and even taking charge of the tolchocking and the nailing in, being dressed in the height of Roman fashion. I didn't so much like the latter part of the book, which is more like all preachy talking than fighting and the old in-out. I liked the parts where these old yahoodies tolchock each other and then drink their Hebrew vino, and getting onto the bed with their wives' handmaidens. That kept me going.
 
2013-11-15 01:16:11 PM

meat0918: We have cookies.



Linus Torvalds does too.
 
2013-11-15 01:16:46 PM
My favorite comment is from Tom Tucker:

Pure tripe. Sounds like Franzen should be writing for NPR instead of CT.

Okay, so you have your paranoid "Liberals are trying to infiltrate our religious publications.

 As a conservative evangelical who reads the Bible quite regularly and embraces its teaching, I can most assuredly proclaim that I will never become a liberal nor a leftist in either my political or my spiritual and moral views.

Instead of saying "How I view the world is how I determine my ideology", you're saying "My ideology determines how I view the world."  In other words, "If Rush Limbaugh thinks this way, then so do I."

 To say that reading the Bible turns a person into a politcal liberal is like saying Marx, Stalin, Hitler, and Lenin were devout Christians.

The article doesn't say that it WILL turn you liberal, it says that it CAN turn you liberal.  It also doesn't say that being a liberal means that you read the Bible to get there.  So this is a bit of a straw man.

 Sounds like more socialist tripe trying to mislead the public to me. Little wonder I stopped subscribing to CT long ago. My how far they have fallen.

Umm...thanks for reading, then?

 Seems to me CT should stop embracing the world and live up to its name.

"How I feel about the world will never, ever be wrong.  And if it ever is, it's because the world failed to adapt to how I see it."
 
2013-11-15 01:18:32 PM
Read your Bible a wee bit more than that, and you'll be calling for a pox on both their houses.
 
2013-11-15 01:18:36 PM

ManRay: nmrsnr: Reading the Bible can also make you atheist, because there is some ridiculous stuff in there.

Yes.

Read a little: Republican
Read more: Democrat
Read it all: Atheist.



lol   good one.   there are alot of useful things in the bible.  but it has to be read knowing that it is not a perfect document and not written by the hand of 'God'.

it has flaws, just as anything created by man has flaws.

except the Linux kernel.  it is Perfect.  (:
 
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