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(The Atlantic)   The latest craze in self-defense? Bartitsu, which was popularized by Sherlock Holmes and was quite popular in the Victorian era   (theatlantic.com) divider line 90
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2013-11-15 02:19:11 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Bartitsu?

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2013-11-15 02:20:00 PM

deadsanta: Popular with this crowd


Splendid!

Though my mind immediately goes to Abney Park's "Victorian Vigilante".
 
2013-11-15 02:20:06 PM

Koodz: Therion: Silly? Rather cool, actually.

(know a lot of the re-constructionists and instructors)

How did they feel about the Holmes movies? I heard RDJ did some bartitsu in scenes. Looked more Wing Chunnish in spots to me.


I remember thinking that too - the check hands, elbow blocks and ring/pinky knuckle punches. The flow in the fights from the sequel felt a little Eskrima-ishm, but that might've just been wishful thinking.
 
2013-11-15 02:20:44 PM

Pilikia: Koodz: Therion: Silly? Rather cool, actually.

(know a lot of the re-constructionists and instructors)

How did they feel about the Holmes movies? I heard RDJ did some bartitsu in scenes. Looked more Wing Chunnish in spots to me.

I remember thinking that too - the check hands, elbow blocks and ring/pinky knuckle punches. The flow in the fights from the sequel felt a little Eskrima-ishm, but that might've just been wishful thinking.


*-ish, not -ishm
 
2013-11-15 02:23:03 PM

fruitloop: I thought Bartitsu is trying to touch a woman's boobs after a few drinks without her knowing.


Touch her boob? That's assault, brother.
 
2013-11-15 02:23:35 PM

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Mostly because they're an automatic felony to even carry, at least in the United States. Or trust me, I would.

/need the cane to walk on anyway, be nice if I could multi-task it a bit


I got my Dad one of these martial arts canes as a joke (his sister had already gotten him a sword-cane*). Much less likely to land you in jail.


/*The sword cane rattles when you walk with it, and it seems way too fragile. I don't recommend them.
//I would recommend joining a martial arts school for a while to learn how to use whatever cane you're already comfortable with instead of buying a fancy one.
 
2013-11-15 02:28:15 PM

SirTanon: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: NuttierThanEver: If you going to have a cane anyways why not use this?
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Mostly because they're an automatic felony to even carry, at least in the United States.  Or trust me, I would.

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Concealed weapon? Check.
Double-edged locked blade? Check.
Blade over 3 inches in length? Check.

That's three ways it's against the law in Michigan.

Actually...

"750.226 Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent.

Sec. 226.
Carrying firearm or dangerous weapon with unlawful intent-Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a felony..."

Intent is specified in the law. Time to mark that down somewhere...
 
2013-11-15 02:29:37 PM

Krusty_the_Barbarian: Friend of mine in a Bartitsu demonstration/skit at DragonCon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qo4xRP3jvQ


any broheim in a Tapout hat and an Affliction shirt with two MMA less o ns under his  belt could take that guy out like he was the kitchen trashbag.

 Sorry, but that's a fact.
 
2013-11-15 02:36:39 PM

thecpt: Looks like lame fencing. Which can look lame enough already.


Unless the enemy has studied his Agrippa... which I have!
 
2013-11-15 02:37:31 PM
Bartitsu, really? That's an actual word?


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2013-11-15 02:39:31 PM

SirTanon: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: NuttierThanEver: If you going to have a cane anyways why not use this?
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Mostly because they're an automatic felony to even carry, at least in the United States.  Or trust me, I would.

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They're considered a concealed weapon, so whatever state law would apply. They are also completely banned in California and Arkansas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swordstick
 
2013-11-15 02:39:43 PM
Bart-jit-su?

Simpsons did it.
 
2013-11-15 02:41:46 PM

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Really? This was invented in England?

I'm pretty sure, Subby, that you'll find that Buster Keaton was an American.

I've seen him in every one of those poses.

 
2013-11-15 02:43:13 PM

Koodz: Therion: Silly? Rather cool, actually.

(know a lot of the re-constructionists and instructors)

How did they feel about the Holmes movies? I heard RDJ did some bartitsu in scenes. Looked more Wing Chunnish in spots to me.


RDJ and the Holmes movies really kicked the popularity of the revival into high gear, and more people in training/more people to beat on is/was a good thing.

I thought of this as baritsu for years, had to roll a sanity check when I suddenly started seeing tit in there.

(tits everywhere!)
 
2013-11-15 02:44:02 PM
Well I guess they had to come up some kind of name.  "Hitting people with sticks" is hard to sell.
 
2013-11-15 02:50:00 PM

Resident Muslim: OscarTamerz: I'll take this cane over some antiquated fighting style.

I've tried skeet shooting in a resort I stayed in once...I can't imagine the recoil on that thing.

Also, I'd imagine where you'd grip the other hand to stabilize the thing would getting pretty hot.


they look like 20 gauge, so less recoil, and single shot, so heat isn't really an issue.
 
2013-11-15 02:58:03 PM

willfullyobscure: Krusty_the_Barbarian: Friend of mine in a Bartitsu demonstration/skit at DragonCon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qo4xRP3jvQ

any broheim in a Tapout hat and an Affliction shirt with two MMA less o ns under his  belt could take that guy out like he was the kitchen trashbag.

 Sorry, but that's a fact.


In a fight probably, but hard to tell from watching what amounts to a play. But most people never get into fights. And most people, including most martial artists, are not fighters.

Seems to me the practical purpose of something like Bartitsu (which I know absolutely nothing about) would be to 1) make yourself a less attractive target for whatever (robbery, rape, random beating by some bored psychotic teenager), 2) marginally improve your chances of getting away clean if you are attacked, 3) marginally improve your chances of not being too badly injured if numbers 1 and 2 don't work out.

That's the best most people can hope for with even years of training. And in my humble opinion it's worth it. Life boils down to incremental advantages facilitating miraculous results.

/always give someone with a gun your valuables
//never, and i mean NEVER, get in the car
 
2013-11-15 03:00:54 PM
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2013-11-15 03:17:08 PM

thecpt: Looks like lame fencing. Which can look lame enough already.


Former Bartitsu instructor here.

The pictures look lame because the participants are posing for the camera.  But, historically, you are close, in that the stickfighting component of Bartitsu (Vigny) is an adaptation of European military sword training (primarily sabre).  Since neo-Bartitsu is still a work in progress, there is a strong YMMV with any Bartitsu group.  Some are steampunkers, some are SCAdians, and some are actual good-quality martial arts people with backgrounds in other arts (when I teach the stick material, for example, I am influenced by my prior work with Liberi armizare and kukishin-ryu hanbojutsu).


Koodz: Therion: Silly? Rather cool, actually.

(know a lot of the re-constructionists and instructors)

How did they feel about the Holmes movies? I heard RDJ did some bartitsu in scenes. Looked more Wing Chunnish in spots to me.


It was mostly chunnish, because RDJ has trained in WC.  The striking part of Bartitsu would look more like London-Prize-Ring bareknuckle boxing, with just a bit of basic savate kicking.
 
2013-11-15 03:19:48 PM
Boxing, wrestling, Jujitsu, stickwork and it's meant to be done in regular clothes. What's not to like?
 
2013-11-15 03:21:18 PM

Resident Muslim: OscarTamerz: I'll take this cane over some antiquated fighting style.

I've tried skeet shooting in a resort I stayed in once...I can't imagine the recoil on that thing.

Also, I'd imagine where you'd grip the other hand to stabilize the thing would getting pretty hot.


There was a pre NFA stainless steel one at a local museum when I was a kid and it was 12 gauge but I've fired a 12 gauge pistol grip pump and with a modicum of practice even 3" magnums can be handled without too much trouble.  There was a gun company called Calico back in the 90s that made 100 round 22 caliber helical mags and I thought it would be cool to incorporate something like that into a cane.


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2013-11-15 03:22:43 PM

Primitive Screwhead: Anything to help me fend off stain glass knights

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I owned that on beta along with the breakfast club.
 
2013-11-15 03:32:19 PM
Bartitsu? Fine I suppose if you are only dealing with rapscallions, perhaps the occasional ruffian...
But if you run afoul of hooligans you need to step up your game some. Javanese Fisticuffs perhaps. Or avoid violence altogether and use Roussaud's New Principles of Mesmerism.
 
2013-11-15 03:53:06 PM
I'd love to see Benedict Cumberbatch open a can of whoopass on someone in Season 3 of BBC's Sherlock, using bartitsu. Preferably while he's wearing that wonderfully tight purple shirt of his.
 
2013-11-15 04:42:04 PM
I think politicians should be required to settle all their differences using this method. Would cut down on the bs they spew.
 
2013-11-15 04:46:30 PM

Resident Muslim: OscarTamerz: I'll take this cane over some antiquated fighting style.

I've tried in a resort I stayed in once...I can't imagine the recoil on that thing.

Also, I'd imagine where you'd grip the other hand to stabilize the thing would getting pretty hot.



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2013-11-15 05:21:39 PM

Hack Patooey: Ho, ha ha, guard, turn, parry, dodge, spin, ha, thrust.


Watch out for the rebound.

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don't tell him it's a buck and a quarter quarterstaff
 
2013-11-15 05:46:19 PM
It's not like Barton-Wright pulled this out of his ass:

Edward William Barton-Wright was born in India in 1860 and educated in Germany and France. While working as a mining engineer in Japan during the 1890s he trained in jujutsu and judo, and upon moving to London in 1899, he opened a self-defense academy at which he and his mostly Japanese instructors taught a system of self-defense that he called "Bartitsu." The method was limned in several British magazines, and featured as "Baritsu" in Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Adventure of the Empty House.

Jujitsu with a British flavor and using the weapons which a British gentleman would commonly carry:  the walking stick, cane or umbrella.

Sure, the steampunk crowd has embraced bartitsu as thematically correct, and the Holmes movies increased awareness, but it is a real fighting art.  I can't vouch for its effectiveness, but I do wish I could find a teacher/school nearby, simply because I commonly carry a walking stick.
 
2013-11-15 05:58:35 PM
Old news is old; this has been a thing for a few years now. Sadly, nobody teaches this in California, at least anywhere near where I live, or I'd sign up for lessons. Having done TKD and swordfighting before, it should be fairly easy to get the hang of.

And not silly at all. In a rough club, carrying a cane might come in handy. Knives and guns might get confiscated, but a cane? That would be like confiscating someone's wheelchair or crutches. Suddenly the odds tip in your favor, when you're the only one armed.

Besides, as my old TKD master used to say, one of these days you're going to probably be too old to throw an effective punch or kick anymore. But by then you'll probably be using a cane, and if you know how to use it as a weapon, you can still deliver some effective whoop-ass.
 
2013-11-15 06:04:03 PM

JonnyBGoode: And not silly at all. In a rough club, carrying a cane might come in handy. Knives and guns might get confiscated, but a cane? That would be like confiscating someone's wheelchair or crutches. Suddenly the odds tip in your favor, when you're the only one armed.


It's worth noting that even the TSA won't take a gentleman's cane.  :)
 
2013-11-15 06:25:57 PM
the French, they are a silly race
they fight with their feet
and fark with their face

got nuthin'
 
2013-11-15 07:52:06 PM

Malik Sardonis: It's not like Barton-Wright pulled this out of his ass:

Edward William Barton-Wright was born in India in 1860 and educated in Germany and France. While working as a mining engineer in Japan during the 1890s he trained in jujutsu and judo, and upon moving to London in 1899, he opened a self-defense academy at which he and his mostly Japanese instructors taught a system of self-defense that he called "Bartitsu." The method was limned in several British magazines, and featured as "Baritsu" in Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Adventure of the Empty House.

Jujitsu with a British flavor and using the weapons which a British gentleman would commonly carry:  the walking stick, cane or umbrella.

Sure, the steampunk crowd has embraced bartitsu as thematically correct, and the Holmes movies increased awareness, but it is a real fighting art.  I can't vouch for its effectiveness, but I do wish I could find a teacher/school nearby, simply because I commonly carry a walking stick.


It'll probably be easier for you to find an Escrima school. Those techniques can be used with essentially any stick or blade. Really good stuff!
 
2013-11-15 08:03:02 PM

Evil High Priest: It'll probably be easier for you to find an Escrima school. Those techniques can be used with essentially any stick or blade. Really good stuff!


Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it.  Also gonna' see if the local Krav school teaches cane fighting.
 
2013-11-15 10:05:27 PM

Malik Sardonis: Evil High Priest: It'll probably be easier for you to find an Escrima school. Those techniques can be used with essentially any stick or blade. Really good stuff!

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it.  Also gonna' see if the local Krav school teaches cane fighting.


For whatever it's worth I'm with Evil - Eskrima's really fun. Except for the bruises and welts and (eventually) bumpy forearms. And it's a lot more than just sticks: it's unarmed, knives, rolled up magazines, bars of soap in athletc socks... basically attack with and defense against anything and everything that can be used as a weapon. Except they don't teach you to shoot.

I don't know much about Krav Maga though, other than the classes seem to attract a lot of hot women, so there's thatgoing for it. Eskrima can be kind of a sausage fest, and if there are women they're usually related to the instructor somehow (at least in Hawai'i and California).

So in conclusion... what were we talking about?
 
2013-11-15 10:10:29 PM

Pilikia: Malik Sardonis: Evil High Priest: It'll probably be easier for you to find an Escrima school. Those techniques can be used with essentially any stick or blade. Really good stuff!

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it.  Also gonna' see if the local Krav school teaches cane fighting.

For whatever it's worth I'm with Evil - Eskrima's really fun. Except for the bruises and welts and (eventually) bumpy forearms. And it's a lot more than just sticks: it's unarmed, knives, rolled up magazines, bars of soap in athletc socks... basically attack with and defense against anything and everything that can be used as a weapon. Except they don't teach you to shoot.

I don't know much about Krav Maga though, other than the classes seem to attract a lot of hot women, so there's thatgoing for it. Eskrima can be kind of a sausage fest, and if there are women they're usually related to the instructor somehow (at least in Hawai'i and California).

So in conclusion... what were we talking about?


Bourne movies have a lote of bastardized Eskrima. Great fight choreography in my humble opinion.
 
2013-11-15 10:32:02 PM
I can attest that SCAdians are into it.  It's a natural progression from anyone doing heavy weapons combat.  There is an urban legend out there of some dude who was in the SCA beating the hell out of a mugger with a cane.  I call bull, but I can confirm nor deny.
 
2013-11-15 10:52:56 PM

NuttierThanEver: If you going to have a cane anyways why not use this?
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Because a walking stick (or an umbrella) is legal on airplanes and in the streets of New York, and a sword-cane isn't.
 
2013-11-16 04:36:45 AM

thecpt: Looks like lame fencing. Which can look lame enough already.


Fencing only looks lame because the swords aren't sharpened.
 
2013-11-16 05:25:49 AM

Two16: Resident Muslim: OscarTamerz: I'll take this cane over some antiquated fighting style.

I've tried in a resort I stayed in once...I can't imagine the recoil on that thing.

Also, I'd imagine where you'd grip the other hand to stabilize the thing would getting pretty hot.


College humor?!

That's primary level right there...maybe junior high.

Still good.
You do lose some points for not incorporating a "that's what she said".
 
2013-11-16 02:49:15 PM

JonnyBGoode: And not silly at all. In a rough club, carrying a cane might come in handy. Knives and guns might get confiscated, but a cane? That would be like confiscating someone's wheelchair or crutches. Suddenly the odds tip in your favor, when you're the only one armed.


Ultimately, this. Weapons that get taken away don't do you any good, but even in the modern weapon-phobic West, we're still a long way away from confiscating walking sticks. A cane might get inspected, and that's where a swordstick or cane-gun will get you into trouble, but they'll hand an ordinary cane right back to you
 
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