It's not America, so they can't just say what the feel.

Let them try to exterminate us. It's all been done before, and it seems to have the opposite effect than what was intended. (See "Fox's Book of Martyrs". )

The Bible says to relish suffering and persecution because it's an opportunity to give glory to God. Bring it on, Hungary. And bring it on, Fark.

You know, the first words that popped into my head were "Bobby Fischer."

P.S. If he had said "exterminate all Gypsies," instead, he probably would have been cheered--in the Czech Republic they erected a fence around the Gypsy encampment and the only debate was not concerning whether there should be a fence in the first place, but if it should carry lethal amounts of electricity. But maybe that's just the Czech Republic.

Dude, tadpole, did you read the farking article? I didn't make it up.

"There will be a purge on Gods orders, and evil will be eliminated like shadows," the Unification Church leader Rev. Sun Myong Moon, the owner and primary funder of money-losing right-wing Washington Times, said last week.

George Bush Sr. called Moon "the man with the vision" and siad his newspaper "restored sanity to D.C." Don't accuse me of being the one with the psychosis!

Oh, also he hates Christians and wants them to worship him as the Messiah. Later

I always felt that how religious you were was a factor of weather you were an emotional person or a logical person.

Theist- Emotional people want an emotional universe to live in. This requires a deity.

Atheist- Logical people are happy to live in a universe of cause and effect. They believe that beings could exist that are more powerful than them, but don't feel a need to be enslaved by them.

I would like to say, this isn't insulting Christians, it's threatening to kill them.

The way I see it,

Christians should be exterminated
Blacks should be exterminated
Jews should be exterminated
Athiests should be exterminated

Pick a group, any group. And you to can start your own Holocaust. Join the ranks of World leaders like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. Don't forget to kill all the women and children, too, they count as (name of group) too!!!

Don't forget, at your Trial when you are charged with "Crimes agaist Humanity" don't use the excuse "I'm only following orders." Nazis tried that line and it just doesn't seem to work.

Theist - Believes that a divine entity created all that is and admits to a power greater than themselves.

Atheist - Believes we came from a huge intergalactic fart that eventually produced a primordial sludge that in turn farted and produced life...

Nuff said

Props to Atomicfever!


Ooh! Ooh! Don't forget the cripples!!!

while i find so-called hate speech laws just another way to censor politically incorrect free speech it's nice to see that it is applied equally across the board. hate and racism are not limited to any one group, anyone who says otherwise, or makes excuses for why its acceptable for some groups but not others to spout off is just a dumbass hypocrite.

Re: Mass Murder, according to Eddie Izzard:

"Other mass murderers have gotten away with it...Stalin killed many millions, died in his bed, well done there. Pol Pot killed 1.7 million Cambodians, died under house arrest, age 72. Well done, indeed. And the reason we let them get away with it is because they killed their own people. And we're sort of fine with that. Oh, help yourself! You know? We've been trying to kill you for ages! So, if you kill your own people, right on, then.

But Hitler killed people next door.... stupid man. After a couple of years, we won't stand for that, will we? Pol Pot killed 1.7 million people, and we can't even deal with that. We think that if someone kills someone, that's murder, you go to prison. You kill 10 people, you go to Texas, they hit you with a brick, that's what they do. 20 people, you go to a hospital and they look at you through a small window forever.

And over that, we can't deal with it. You know? If somebody's killed 100 thousand people, we're almost going, "Well done! You killed 100 thousand people?! You must get up very early in the morning! I can't even get down the gym! Your diary must look odd: Get up in the morning, death, death, death, death, death, lunch, death, death, death, afternoon tea, death, death, death, quick shower."

Elrik

I like your theory, but I don't think it really does justice to either side. Theism, and faith, aren't really "emotional" anymore than literature, which also does not operate on the basis of logic and reason, is "emotional." There can be aspects of emotion (especially with pentecostals), but it's not just, or even grounded in, emotion. Also, athesists can get pretty emotional, too. Look at communists. "The Glorious People's Revolution!" BS propoganda and all that. Not all that logical, very emotional.

TheXerox,
I'm a left-leaning independent. What you said: "Make your hatred known so the rest of us semi-normal people will know who to keep away from." rings true for me too. That's why I've always hated political correctness. It drives the bastards underground by treating the symptoms rather than the illness. The fact that PC thrives on campuses, where free-thinking used to be highly valued, saddens me. When college students boo a guest speaker off a stage, it doesn't bode well. No matter how ugly someone's ideas, ideals or beliefs might be to me, I need to hear them so I can know how to counter them. No discussion = no progress.

gentlegiant621

Hear, hear.

paradroid

Fark mods suck. Obviously, i mean they posted "The Onion" article for yesterdays presidential address...what were they thinking. More than half the articles today are crap.

Atheism, the rational religeon? (Yes, I define atheism as a religeon, not for all people, but for the people who will be offended by me saying that. If you wanna retort that "bald isn't a hair colour", I'd like to point out that a shaved head is a hair style. And one you chose after looking at other choices nontheless. Hooray for logical analogies)

I have no idea where I was going with that. So I'll shut up now.

I'm from Hungary. That kind of stuff had been going on for a while now. I guess they finally decided to put their feet down?

Suetekh

Thanks. Good points.

Perhaps both sides enjoy human emotion and appreciate the power of it but don't lock it into an explanation of reality.

/appreciate your feedback

I was in Hungary at the time the broadcast was made. Although I didn't hear it, I read a transcript of it in the paper. While I don't consider myself religious by any means, I don't think anything should go and denigrate anyone else's religion. Just be tolerant of them, unless they're some fundamentalist wacko who won't leave you alone, in which case the problem is with the person not the religion. Then you're free to tell them to shut the hell up.

As for the burning of the Israeli flag at the demonstration, the authorities are trying to find the individuals responsible for it. While I don't believe that was acceptable or by any means a rational response, the reason for it was because the person who proclaimed that Christians be exterminated was Jewish himself. I don't condone it, but it wasn't just a random flag burning.

"Perhaps both sides enjoy human emotion and appreciate the power of it but don't lock it into an explanation of reality."

Oooh, I like that. Well said. Tip o' the hat to you.

Fuzzmosis et al. --

Atheism isn't a religion. I will give my favorite jumping-off-point (not the only one) as to why not.

Atheists come in flavors. They don't agree on human nature or the limits (if any) to scientific knowledge. They don't agree* on meaning, morality, ethics, values etc. And so* Philosophy, social sciences, the humanities and such are debated at the fundamental levels.

Now, we can claim this indicates that various sects of atheism exist. But I think* Objectivists, Nihilists, Humanists, Existentialists, Marxists, etc. have very serious differences. These divisions are arguably as great as those dividing Christians from tribal Animists.

*I am using these lists loosely, as examples. If you must school me, throw me a compliment for brevity as well.

Peeperkorn

I agree that Atheism isn't a religion, since a religion implies a shared set of beliefs and practices. But I do believe Atheism requires a certain amount of faith, namely that there is nothing metaphysical in the universe. For instance, I think it takes faith to say both "I believe in aliens" and "I don't believe in aliens." Simply put, we don't know. Agnosticism is the truly rational position.

/Christian

Anthony,

Yeah, I noticed that.

Hey, I forgot to complete the rest of the quote from Sun Myung Moon, billionaire conservative policy leader:

"Gays will be eliminated, the 3 Israels will unite. If not then they will be burned. We do not know what kind of world God will bring but this is what happens. It will be greater than the communist purge but at God's orders."

Again, I didn't make up this wacko crap, do a Google search, tadpole.

Right, suetekh. And yet I notice you choose Christianity. I choose an ill-defined atheism. It would seem that agnosticism, however rational, doesn't satisfy either of us.

[Toast] here's to making choices without having all the data. Nobody is gonna live long enough to be able to personally verify the answers to the big questions.

Humans make intuitive leaps and use fuzzy logic. It helps alot to not be too ignorant up front. Done right, it gets good (interesting, at least) results.

er, tadpole. I wasn't calling you a tadpole

Do it, paradroid. Call him a tadpole. You're a paradroid, after all.

Peeperkorn

[raises glass, drinks] Hear, hear! Couldn't have said it better myself.

You know Suetekh, people will blame the mutual good cheer on booze. Let them talk, you're a swell philosopher [hic].

It's hilarious how some of the folks here actually try to insinuate their agreement with the statement made on Hungarian radio without actually having the huevos to just say it. And I'm willing to bet some of those actually consider themselves tolerant.
And the same thing would have happened here in America. Calling for the extermination of a group of people falls under the "Fire In A Crowded Theater" reasoning behind hate-crime laws, and would have been dealt with accordingly, though likely would have resulted in a fine from the FCC.

Peeperkorn

[hic] Yeah, let 'em talk. We both believe in booze, and that's what really matters. Anyway, I'm off to bed. G'night, it was a pleasure talking to you. Always nice to have an honest discussion on Fark rather than the usual flames when religion pops up. You're a swell philosopher in my book, too.

Burning the Israeli flag happened much earlier in another incident according to the brief article.

Another poster stated that the announcer who called for killing the Christians on Christmas Eve was Jewish, so the announcer may have offended earlier as well.

Free speech can be reckless, and people can say offensive premeditated, and intentionally inflamatory things.

Better free speech than waiting for the knock on the door at midnight.

Good link about that false messiah Sun Myung Moon. Not a Christian by any of the standard measures.

Drudge being gay was of interest.

Andrew Sullivan has become insufferable since becoming hiv positive. When you're sick you should care more about mercy and compassion, not less.

They(count em), have been trying to kill Christianity from the beginning, old news that.

Living in America, I would ask how Christianity has hurt anyone, and I'm not referring to individual, wrong-doing Christians, but to the fellowship at large.

So far as I can tell, no culture or religion says whoopee we've got a new gay member except for Christianity and the Christian West.

The Jews, as they have so often observed, find themselves unwelcome in all but Christian societies.

Christians do wrong, some claiming to be Christians do monstrous wrong; historically, genuine Christians come to the rescue.

Can someone answer a question for me?
Why do so many of the farkers on here seem to have such a deep dislike, almost hatred of, Christianity? Or religon in general? I know a lot of you on here are younger than me,(facing down 40 soon) so is it a generational thing? I was raised in a Protestant church setting, but am now agnostic. I know much of Fark is sarcasm and baiting, but I see a lot of not only intolerance for religon, but seemingly hatred as well.
(sincere this time)

get used to it.

Peeperkorn -

Thats why I said some. I'm simply going by the dictionary definition of a religeon. Most atheists are not religeous. Easily the majority. Just a small group of them, and they probably span all sects. I guess I have never stated a view on this clearly, atheism isn't a religeon by belief or non-belief in god, but by the desire of some who claim to be atheist who religeously try to demote/destroy/demonize other religeons. Basically, it's an insult to them. A realistic and logical atheist, really wouldn't care. :)

Golfer: I can't speak for everyone, but I do think it's a generalization thing. I generally hate everything unrational that people strongly believe in. Religion just happens to be at the top of the list. If it were astrology, I'd hate it just as much as I hate religion now.

The guy was obviously drunk, and apologised a second after he said that terrible sentence. I read a transcript, and it goes like that:
"
x(someone in the studio):-Barango (that's the nickname of the guy the article is about), You just can't get along with Christians!

Barango: -fark yes, I cannot! I would like to exterminate all Christians...er, that was too much.

x:-Barango, please, don't do that

y:(some other voice in studio):-We, in the name of Tilos Radio (by the way, tilos means "banned" in Hungarian) apologise and distance ourselves from what our colleague just said.

x:-Definitely.

Barango - I...I didn't mean that, I do not think this way, I'm sorry...
"

It all took about 20 seconds.

The far right jumped on the topic and used it. No one has to be afraid in Hungary just because of being a Christian. This is a scapegoat used by the anti-semitic circles - obviously a microscopic minority in my country, but for a few years now, they've been getting louder. Unfortunately some parties think they can stay big if they keep wackos like them voting for them. Not too logical, eh? I would take too long to explain.

Anyway, hate crimes are rare in Hungary and they are mostly against the Roma.

The flag was burned after the above mentioned stupid sentence, during the demonstration.

Me and a friend of mine went to the demonstration and handed out leaflets reading "Why are You all so retarded?" and put Schwarzenegger-style STFU-stickers on the demonstrators' cars (and police cars).

We had to run, afterwards, but it was fun.

ipafai fapipa
he guy was obviously drunk, and apologised a second after he said that terrible sentence.

Drunkenness multiplies what people truly are. It also serves as a convenient excuse for irresponsible behaviour, or at least that is what silly college students do these days.

world citizen
Around 1800, the West had its Enlightenment. Christianity has gotten less militaristic since then, at least in the West.

Even the fundie movements of the 19th century focused more on improving the self and on gentle evangelism rather than conversion by the sword.

G-Rot
This thread is mild by the "bash Christian" standard often seen on Fark.

stpickrell

So, we can consider his apologies honest, can't we?

ipafai fapipia
yes, but we can also take him at less than face value in the future. banning the station was probably a bit too far.

i'm sure you had some ordinary Christians there (at the protest) of the calibre that in the usa forwards every single virus warning no matter how ridiculous.

the far-right is generally stronger the weaker the economy and overall conditions are.

justice and life (far-right party) failed miserably in 2002, iirc. then again hungary was on the fast-track to join europe and nato from the moment of its revolution.

didn't tudor (leader of the far-right) almost get the top spot in romania?

had to look up the first, knew the second off the top of my head. i suppose my knowledge of eastern european politics is pathetic by eastern european standards but pretty good by american standards.

Yeah, Justice and Life (MIEP) failed. This shows that Hungarians are not too fond of their twisted ideas.

Extremist groups may be small, but they tend to be enthusiastic. Csurka (leader of MIEP) made speeches to large crowds of people on Heroes' Square. A few weeks later it turned out they don't even have the support to get in the Parliament.

Tudor failed, too. He didn't make it to being PM, so now he wants to be the president. An anti-semitic madman, who hates Hungarians.

So... who wants to take a wild guess at the religious orientation of the kill-all-Christians guy?

Exterminate all Christians? ROCK ON!!

Can I say it here? Exterminate those behavior forcing bastards. We don't need freedom of religion, we need freedom from religion!

I'll just say this:

If Christians developed a "Crusades II" attitude at any point in the world's history, the atheists' new theme song would be "Run To The Hills" by Iron Maiden.

Can we say it on American radio?

Where's the HCLU when you need them?

BTW, Elrik, go read some Thomas Aquinas or Duns Scotus and tell me again how emotional and illogical religion. Empirical deduction and logic are not the same thing.