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2013-11-15 08:53:55 AM
There are certain benefits to living in small towns. This is one of them.
 
2013-11-15 08:55:57 AM
It definitely has an entry on the National Speed Trap Exchange.
 
2013-11-15 08:56:05 AM
You mean to say there aren't a lot of residents of a town that size? I'm shocked
 
2013-11-15 09:06:06 AM
I can speed in a small town
Not wait for the green in a small town
Yeah I can drive in a small town
'Cause the cops are related to me
 
2013-11-15 09:39:48 AM
I looked up Georgia and every town and city in the state is on the list.
 
2013-11-15 09:48:04 AM

serial_crusher: You mean to say there aren't a lot of residents of a town that size? I'm shocked


Yeah this, doesn't it just make sense that in a really small town most of the tickets would be to people who are from outside of that small town?

I bet in a really big city most of the tickets are to people who are residents of the city...just a wild guess here.
 
2013-11-15 09:51:20 AM
we had some shiathole town that was only a few blocks and less than 500 people pull this. they put up speed cameras and ticketed for going 1 mile over. they did a million in tickets in less than a week. the really shiatty part was they waited two weeks to mail them, so a lot of daily commuters got multple tickets all at the same time
 
2013-11-15 10:22:17 AM
It's hard to get reelected if you're giving the voters tickets.
 
2013-11-15 10:31:54 AM
Linndale, Ohio is unimpressed.
 
2013-11-15 10:32:58 AM
It could just be that the locals know about the traps and therefore avoid them.
 
2013-11-15 10:35:18 AM

Barfmaker: serial_crusher: You mean to say there aren't a lot of residents of a town that size? I'm shocked

Yeah this, doesn't it just make sense that in a really small town most of the tickets would be to people who are from outside of that small town?

I bet in a really big city most of the tickets are to people who are residents of the city...just a wild guess here.


I would guess it depends on the towns location - a small town on a common route between major cities would have a majority of out of town drivers, whereas somewhere out of the way would be mostly locals. You could also consider that especially small towns probably reduces the amount of local car traffic as everything is a walkable distance, which would equally tend to increase out of town traffic compared to local traffic.
 
2013-11-15 10:35:27 AM
I think they made a movie about this.

thisdistractedglobe.com
 
2013-11-15 10:36:11 AM
1) Were there statistics on how many warnings were issued, and to residents/nonresidents?

2) What are the speed limits on the road?  What are they outside the township?  Does the speed limit go down significantly in the 1 sq mi township - which would make it easier to catch unaware speeders?
 
2013-11-15 10:37:15 AM
In before Valkenvania, NJ.
that town is nothing but trouble.
 
2013-11-15 10:37:58 AM
Well, who can't drive for a mile without speeding?
 
2013-11-15 10:38:12 AM

oldernell: I looked up Georgia and every town and city in the state is on the list.


My town has two entries!
 
2013-11-15 10:38:54 AM
My hometown has a major highway that none of the 300 locals use. I imagine it has similar stats despite no nefarious reason.
 
2013-11-15 10:39:22 AM

Pocket Ninja: There are certain benefits to living in small towns. This is one of them.


That and you know where they sit so you go slow .  And you chuckle when people fly by you in a no passing zone.  And you wave to the cop who pulls them over because you drink together at the Legion. That's how it works.  Get over it.
 
2013-11-15 10:39:48 AM
"Don't do the crime, if you can't pay the fine".Or some such.Plus, the cops need the cash because doughnuts. I hear tell the O,Bamako is outlawing the damn things, so the po-lice need to stock up.
 
2013-11-15 10:40:32 AM
See my previous rant about a podunk town in ny that does this.

/don't bother seeing my previous rant
//you weren't going to anyway
 
2013-11-15 10:40:49 AM

vodka: It could just be that the locals know about the traps and therefore avoid them.

 
2013-11-15 10:40:50 AM

vonmatrices: 1) Were there statistics on how many warnings were issued, and to residents/nonresidents?

2) What are the speed limits on the road?  What are they outside the township?  Does the speed limit go down significantly in the 1 sq mi township - which would make it easier to catch unaware speeders?


My favorite trick here is when the speed limit is 75mph.  Then there's a big "REDUCED SPEED AHEAD" sign, shortly followed by a 70mph sign with a red border.  Okey dokey, I'll slow down to 70.  Thanks for making all tht effort to warn me guys.
500 yards later there's another sign reducing it again to 45.  Standard black border, no advance warning.
 
2013-11-15 10:41:25 AM
So what?

Each state's police derive their authority from both state law and local ordinance. Citizens are required to follow the laws of each jurisdiction, no matter where they are from. Just like the guy trying to fly out of NY with guns; just because your local laws are different, you don't get a pass on the laws somewhere else just because you're not from around there. That's part of the deal between cities, towns, villages, etc when they incorporate, and the reciprocity between states. So yes, this applies to traffic too. If you're from Town A where the speed limit is 65 and you travel to Town B where it's 55, you need to drive 55. If you don't, you are breaking the law and can be prosecuted as such. How is this even news?
 
2013-11-15 10:42:37 AM
Uh, yeah. Small towns like that, on major highways, whether they aggressively enforce traffic laws or not, will always have a larger share of their tickets going to out of town residents, because most of the traffic is from out of town. I doubt they're selectively enforcing. Now, they are most certainly operating a speed trap, no doubt there. But I'll venture a guess that if they do a traffic study to see what percentage of traffic is from out of town and what percentage is local, they'll probably find that those percentages are close to the ticket percentages. Also, while I'm not condoning the use of speed traps for revenue, small towns located on highways kind of DO have a speeding problem. There's a valid reason for lowering the speed limit through town- pedestrians, children playing, etc. And people passing through often don't like to slow down. Not sure of how you handle this one, though, without looking like you're just trying to enhance revenue.
 
2013-11-15 10:42:58 AM
I live in a small town but it only has state troops so the townspeople get the most bullshiat tickets.
 
2013-11-15 10:43:03 AM

serial_crusher: vonmatrices: 1) Were there statistics on how many warnings were issued, and to residents/nonresidents?

2) What are the speed limits on the road?  What are they outside the township?  Does the speed limit go down significantly in the 1 sq mi township - which would make it easier to catch unaware speeders?

My favorite trick here is when the speed limit is 75mph.  Then there's a big "REDUCED SPEED AHEAD" sign, shortly followed by a 70mph sign with a red border.  Okey dokey, I'll slow down to 70.  Thanks for making all tht effort to warn me guys.
500 yards later there's another sign reducing it again to 45.  Standard black border, no advance warning.


What's the "trick"? When you pass the 45 sign, be going 45 or below. That's a trick?
 
2013-11-15 10:43:53 AM
It is for your $afety, citizen
 
2013-11-15 10:44:26 AM
Linndale?  Is it Linndale, Ohio?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linndale,_Ohio
 
2013-11-15 10:45:24 AM

taurusowner: serial_crusher: vonmatrices: 1) Were there statistics on how many warnings were issued, and to residents/nonresidents?

2) What are the speed limits on the road?  What are they outside the township?  Does the speed limit go down significantly in the 1 sq mi township - which would make it easier to catch unaware speeders?

My favorite trick here is when the speed limit is 75mph.  Then there's a big "REDUCED SPEED AHEAD" sign, shortly followed by a 70mph sign with a red border.  Okey dokey, I'll slow down to 70.  Thanks for making all tht effort to warn me guys.
500 yards later there's another sign reducing it again to 45.  Standard black border, no advance warning.

What's the "trick"? When you pass the 45 sign, be going 45 or below. That's a trick?


The trick is that the driver was 'warned' about a decrease in speed, then the speed limit went down 5 mph.  Then, the speed limit went down again by 35 mph WITHOUT a second warning to the driver other than the sign.

By issuing the warning first, but not again, the driver is expecting the warning and may miss the normal speed limit sign.

TL/DR - its bullshiat
 
2013-11-15 10:48:08 AM
Between September of 2011 and March of 2013, Helmetta police gave 222 speeding tickets in this square-mile borough in southern Middlesex County, according to police department records.
Of those, only two lived in Helmetta.


Holy crap, over a year and a half, they gave out 222 tickets!?  that's like, one every other day, and they are calling this a trap?  jesus christ
 
2013-11-15 10:48:28 AM

Mr.Hawk: vodka: It could just be that the locals know about the traps and therefore avoid them.


I am with these farkers ^^^

Add in that the town is on a commute route and/or is a pass through town.
 
2013-11-15 10:48:28 AM

xria: Barfmaker: serial_crusher: You mean to say there aren't a lot of residents of a town that size? I'm shocked

Yeah this, doesn't it just make sense that in a really small town most of the tickets would be to people who are from outside of that small town?

I bet in a really big city most of the tickets are to people who are residents of the city...just a wild guess here.

I would guess it depends on the towns location - a small town on a common route between major cities would have a majority of out of town drivers, whereas somewhere out of the way would be mostly locals. You could also consider that especially small towns probably reduces the amount of local car traffic as everything is a walkable distance, which would equally tend to increase out of town traffic compared to local traffic.


You nailed it.  This exact road used to be part of my daily commute, and it's one of two ways to get between a populated residential area and the place where the jobs are.  The other option is a painfully congested stretch of strip malls.

Locals don't get ticketed because they know the enforcement is basically zero tolerance.
 
2013-11-15 10:50:29 AM
That was 222 tickets over a 19 month period.  That's only about one ticket every three days.  I don't see an aggressive enforcement action at all with those numbers.
 
2013-11-15 10:51:28 AM

Vexed Thespian: Between September of 2011 and March of 2013, Helmetta police gave 222 speeding tickets in this square-mile borough in southern Middlesex County, according to police department records.
Of those, only two lived in Helmetta.

Holy crap, over a year and a half, they gave out 222 tickets!?  that's like, one every other day, and they are calling this a trap?  jesus christ


Came to say this.  Not exactly Boss Hawg levels of enforcement.
 
2013-11-15 10:52:20 AM
devil's advocate:

Maybe in such a small town, all the locals know where the traps are and thus don't get caught?
Maybe in such a small town, the total number of local drivers make up a small percentage of total traffic through the town?
 
2013-11-15 10:52:58 AM
I have lived in this area for a long time.  The reason the locals dont get ticketed is because we all know to slow down on that road.  It is a locally famous speed trap that I have known about for decades. My driving instructor even pointed it out.
 
2013-11-15 10:53:20 AM
What's wrong with providing people with easy unavoidable methods of donating to the local economy?
 
2013-11-15 10:53:22 AM

vodka: It could just be that the locals know about the traps and therefore avoid them

walked.
 
2013-11-15 10:53:36 AM
fark you John Cougar Mellencamp
 
2013-11-15 10:54:16 AM
live in a small town....know the cops are tickets assholes...dont speed.
dont live in said small town..dont know... get ticket.

Its really not that hard to understand.
 
2013-11-15 10:56:02 AM
If you want to see traffic ticket bullshiat taken to 11 look up New Rome. It was so bad that the state dissolved the city.

/On my phone or I'd link info
 
2013-11-15 10:56:04 AM

offacue: Pocket Ninja: There are certain benefits to living in small towns. This is one of them.

That and you know where they sit so you go slow .  And you chuckle when people fly by you in a no passing zone.  And you wave to the cop who pulls them over because you drink together at the Legion. That's how it works.  Get over it.


This.  I have a house out in the country that I stay at sometimes.  The same 2 cops sit in exactly the same 2 places, every single day.  One on each side of town right as it switches from highway to commercial district.  Not once in 7 years have I ever seen them sit anywhere else.  Everyone who lives in town slows down in those 2 spots because we know... long distance commuters, not so much.

As you said.. I chuckle to myself every time I see them blow past me right before the trap.  They're always pulled over just ahead, like clockwork.

And I'm glad they do it.. because I have seen inattentive drivers completely blow through our towns one red light and almost kill me no less than 3 times.  The only reason I've never been hit is because even when my light turns green, I stay put until I actually see the rest of traffic come to a stop.  If I just went with the changing of the light, I'd have been T-boned multiple times at 55 mph.
 
2013-11-15 10:56:54 AM
This is news why?
This is true of every small town in America.
Unless you are a local the cops will use you to subsidize the local police force.
I could point you to several small towns in my state that do the same thing.
 
2013-11-15 10:57:12 AM

tmyk: xria: Barfmaker: serial_crusher: You mean to say there aren't a lot of residents of a town that size? I'm shocked

Yeah this, doesn't it just make sense that in a really small town most of the tickets would be to people who are from outside of that small town?

I bet in a really big city most of the tickets are to people who are residents of the city...just a wild guess here.

I would guess it depends on the towns location - a small town on a common route between major cities would have a majority of out of town drivers, whereas somewhere out of the way would be mostly locals. You could also consider that especially small towns probably reduces the amount of local cat traffic as everything is a walkable distance, which would equally tend to increase out of town traffic compared to local traffic.

You nailed it.  This exact road used to be part of my daily commute, and it's one of two ways to get between a populated residential area and the place where the jobs are.  The other option is a painfully congested stretch of strip malls.

Locals don't get ticketed because they know the enforcement is basically zero tolerance.


Ahhh gotcha. Lack of situational awareness and being totally unaware of one's surroundings is someone else's fault.
 
2013-11-15 10:57:23 AM
There are a number of towns like that in WI. The town consists of a feed mill and a bar in one block on a highway. They set the speed limit to 30 so is a driver is not paying attention, they blow right through at 60. Cha ching!
 
2013-11-15 10:57:35 AM

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/Somebody had to...
 
2013-11-15 10:58:18 AM
I guess the mayor giving an unconstitutional order to only ticket out of towners was lost on you law and order types ?
 
2013-11-15 11:00:16 AM
I got pulled over a few years ago in Helmetta. Some months before I spun out in a Catskills blizzard and knocked out a headlight, which I never fixed. Anyway, I was driving down the road and passed two Helmetta cops who were ticketing someone else. One of them saw me, hopped in his car, and chased me down.

"Did you know that your right headlight is out?"

"My right headlight?" said I, knowing full well it was the left one.

"Or left, whichever." He walks around the front of my car. "Whoa! What happened here?"

"I had a bit of a spinout."
 "Well, you have enough to worry about here; you don't need any tickets." And he let me go.


The next day I went on Amazon and ordered new headlight and turn signal assemblies.
 
2013-11-15 11:00:44 AM

Alonjar: offacue: Pocket Ninja: There are certain benefits to living in small towns. This is one of them.

That and you know where they sit so you go slow .  And you chuckle when people fly by you in a no passing zone.  And you wave to the cop who pulls them over because you drink together at the Legion. That's how it works.  Get over it.

This.  I have a house out in the country that I stay at sometimes.  The same 2 cops sit in exactly the same 2 places, every single day.  One on each side of town right as it switches from highway to commercial district.  Not once in 7 years have I ever seen them sit anywhere else.  Everyone who lives in town slows down in those 2 spots because we know... long distance commuters, not so much.

As you said.. I chuckle to myself every time I see them blow past me right before the trap.  They're always pulled over just ahead, like clockwork.

And I'm glad they do it.. because I have seen inattentive drivers completely blow through our towns one red light and almost kill me no less than 3 times.  The only reason I've never been hit is because even when my light turns green, I stay put until I actually see the rest of traffic come to a stop.  If I just went with the changing of the light, I'd have been T-boned multiple times at 55 mph.


I am going to call you t-bone from now on. Don't screw it up and make me call you Koko.

T-Bone!!!
 
2013-11-15 11:01:31 AM
2 things here:

1: ANY time you are travelling on a highway that passes through a small town, slow the fark down. They like to give out tickets, not just to make money, but because they have houses and businesses facing on said highway and don't really appreciate assholes blowing through town at 80 mph. Unless the speed limit sign is actually hidden, you have only yourself to blame.

2: Local residents are usually only going from home to home or business to business, they aren't using the highway as a highway, therefore, they are usually travelling at the speed posted(As if they were on a large city street), especially if the town is THAT small. If your town is a mile long, do you REALLY need to get up to 60 mph?

On my trip to Az, I go through a series of these towns, and slow down every time. One of the towns is definitely more concerned about safety than money, because they'll park an empty cop car next to the road just across the town line to make people slow down. Works very well.

Also, Helmetta has a population of 2,178. I bet more out of towners travel through the area each day before noon. I see nothing here that points to some kind of conspiracy.
 
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