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2013-11-15 08:33:40 AM  
I can't wait for it to be a called a monument to sexual abuse and inequality, and then for people to start making rape comparisons.
 
2013-11-15 08:33:41 AM  
Thank you subby, that was a good start to my day. plus 4 intenets for you. :)))
 
2013-11-15 08:34:37 AM  
So did he marry the nurse he kissed?
 
2013-11-15 08:36:29 AM  
Forced sexual contact is OK when its patriotic.

Rapist wearing an American flag shirt? You bet he's a country singer.
 
2013-11-15 08:40:52 AM  
Perhaps a hard, sharp knee in his geriatric balls would curtail this rapey behavior.
 
2013-11-15 08:41:41 AM  

Molavian: I can't wait for it to be a called a monument to sexual abuse and inequality, and then for people to start making rape comparisons.


HotIgneous Intruder: Perhaps a hard, sharp knee in his geriatric balls would curtail this rapey behavior.


Your wait is over!
 
2013-11-15 08:42:35 AM  
Damn, I missed the even sooner one!
 
2013-11-15 08:42:49 AM  
I'll bet that's gotten him a lot of action over the years
 
2013-11-15 08:50:14 AM  
Kissing sailor from famous WWII photo still smoochin after all these years, lays the smoochdown on unsuspecting reporter, promptly throws out hip.
 
2013-11-15 08:51:50 AM  
 
2013-11-15 08:56:25 AM  

Molavian: I can't wait for it to be a called a monument to sexual abuse and inequality, and then for people to start making rape comparisons.


I always thought that photo was a little rapey. Turns out it kind of was. The nurse has given interviews saying it was completely against her will (which is quite apparent from the pic) and she was none too pleased with Mr Suave. He was also drunk as a skunk making extra creepy/douchey.

People go to jail for far less.
 
2013-11-15 09:02:57 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Forced sexual contact is OK when its patriotic.


i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-11-15 09:06:26 AM  
Awww, what a sentimental sexual assault.
 
2013-11-15 09:07:10 AM  

here to help: Turns out it kind of was. The nurse has given interviews saying it was completely against her will (which is quite apparent from the pic) and she was none too pleased with Mr Suave. He was also drunk as a skunk making extra creepy/douchey.

People go to jail for far less.


Up and at it early today?

"I went from Doctors Hospital to Times Square that day because the war was over, and where else does a New Yorker go?" she said in 2008, when she donned a white nurse's uniform again and was grand marshal of New York's Veterans Day parade. "And this guy grabbed me and we kissed, and then I turned one way and he turned the other. There was no way to know who he was, but I didn't mind because he was someone who had fought for me."     -The "Victim"

What a monster.
 
2013-11-15 09:11:47 AM  
Good thing she wasn't German. The Russians were doing more than kissing.
 
2013-11-15 09:15:46 AM  

The Muthaship: Up and at it early today?

"I went from Doctors Hospital to Times Square that day because the war was over, and where else does a New Yorker go?" she said in 2008, when she donned a white nurse's uniform again and was grand marshal of New York's Veterans Day parade. "And this guy grabbed me and we kissed, and then I turned one way and he turned the other. There was no way to know who he was, but I didn't mind because he was someone who had fought for me." -The "Victim"

What a monster.



Oh, it's you. Good morning, slappy. I don't know where you dug that up but the interview I read was her calling the guy a brute and telling him off after he did it. IIRC she also mentioned in previous interviews she didn't want to ruin the image after all these years so just kind of glossed over the fact it wasn't cool. Also women from that time had a different mentality and just put up with that sh*t. She probably has a granddaughter or other more modern relative who urged her to tell the truth.

Sorry to ruin your jingoistic rape fantasy, my friend. Assault isn't cool... no matter what Matt Barnett of Missouri tells you.
 
2013-11-15 09:19:01 AM  

here to help: I don't know


So it seems.

Your "memory" of what you may have read is fascinating.

I'll go with what she said.
 
2013-11-15 09:32:27 AM  

here to help: The Muthaship: Up and at it early today?

"I went from Doctors Hospital to Times Square that day because the war was over, and where else does a New Yorker go?" she said in 2008, when she donned a white nurse's uniform again and was grand marshal of New York's Veterans Day parade. "And this guy grabbed me and we kissed, and then I turned one way and he turned the other. There was no way to know who he was, but I didn't mind because he was someone who had fought for me." -The "Victim"

What a monster.


Oh, it's you. Good morning, slappy. I don't know where you dug that up but the interview I read was her calling the guy a brute and telling him off after he did it. IIRC she also mentioned in previous interviews she didn't want to ruin the image after all these years so just kind of glossed over the fact it wasn't cool. Also women from that time had a different mentality and just put up with that sh*t. She probably has a granddaughter or other more modern relative who urged her to tell the truth.

Sorry to ruin your jingoistic rape fantasy, my friend. Assault isn't cool... no matter what Matt Barnett of Missouri tells you.


Sorry, the link to your interview didn't work. Could you retry it?
 
2013-11-15 09:34:28 AM  

The Muthaship: here to help: I don't know

So it seems.

Your "memory" of what you may have read is fascinating.

I'll go with what she said.


Okay, here's what she said:

The kiss did kind of bother someone else, though: the woman in the nurse's uniform, Greta Zimmer, who wasn't even a nurse. She was a 21-year-old dental assistant from Queens, who, having heard rumors about the end of the war, walked over to Times Square from her office on Lexington Avenue. George says he was so drunk, he doesn't even remember the kiss. Greta says she'll never forget it.
Greta Zimmer was born and raised in Austria, and in 1939, after much debate, her parents insisted that Greta and her two sisters flee to America. They were among the last refugees to make it out, and even on the afternoon of Aug. 14, as Greta read the illuminated news crawl declaring the end of the war, she had no idea where her parents were, or if they were even alive.
She isn't sure how long she was standing there; maybe minutes. "And then I was grabbed," she says. "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."


Source
 
2013-11-15 09:39:05 AM  

The Muthaship: here to help: I don't know

So it seems.



How clever. You must be tingling with self pride.

Also it seems you quoted the wrong woman. The woman you quoted was sailor boy's ladyfriend and now wife. This is the nurse...

The kiss did kind of bother someone else, though: the woman in the nurse's uniform, Greta Zimmer, who wasn't even a nurse. She was a 21-year-old dental assistant from Queens, who, having heard rumors about the end of the war, walked over to Times Square from her office on Lexington Avenue. George says he was so drunk, he doesn't even remember the kiss. Greta says she'll never forget it....

...She isn't sure how long she was standing there; maybe minutes. "And then I was grabbed," she says. "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."


Citation... and one of the first links that popped up.

And she wasn't the only one he assaulted that day. He was even tongue raping old ladies.
 
2013-11-15 09:39:45 AM  

puckrock2000: "And then I was grabbed," she says. "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."


Yeah, there's no doubt it was done without permission, and that is generally bad.  But, the question is whether she was angry about it, or felt violated afterwards.  The answer there seems to be know.  It was an extraordinary moment for everyone there.  People's reactions can be effected by such things.
 
2013-11-15 09:43:20 AM  

Carousel Beast: Sorry, the link to your interview didn't work. Could you retry it?


I just linked to A interview that confirms what I said but it is not THE interview that I initially saw about a year ago which had far more detail directly from the nurse. The nurse's name is Greta and she wasn't even an American. The woman that gets misquoted as saying "she didn't mind" was Mendoca's gf/future wife and she was saying she didn't mind that he was kissing other broads.
 
2013-11-15 09:46:25 AM  
id est quod est

As the actual people involved have never with 100% certainty ever been identified...this talk of what it is, and what it is not...is endemic of this new and recent cancer in America: the deconstruction of anything and everything to break it down into something we can rip apart....and for what? To show ourselves how much more civilized we are now in 2013 as opposed to 1945? Try telling that to the women and children in Iraq who are disfigured for life. Try telling that to our servicemen who can't even get basic VA care, discarded by a government who was willing to throw them into wars with no clear enemy and no real objective.

The real fact here is that in the last 30 years or so, we have been attempting to scrub and demean things in our history. Did this picture capture a sexual assault? By today's standards, yes. By the standard of the moment it was taken...not so much. The norms of the day were a great deal different.

Now, the picture is an iconic image of America. So is the flag raising at Iwo Jima....a stamp of land that turned into a human meat grinder that history has shown had little to no strategic value and was probably a waste of men's lives and time. Does that mean that iconic photo is somehow lessened as a moment in history because of the price paid for what amounted to nothing? No. Because id est quod est. It is what it is. Those men fought and raised Old Glory and someone was there to capture it. It's funny to watch people vilify this picture...what's your take on the mushroom cloud over Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How do you feel about the Enola Gay? Instruments that kissed people with death.

Perspective people. This country needs some. Seriously. We like to talk about how much more civilized we are with crap like complaining about this picture, with peel and stick opinions. It does not make you more civilized, it makes you look like an idiot...with zero perspective.

Pictures tell a story, Sometimes, that initial view...speaks for itself. Yes, there is plenty more behind it.....but the captured moment has for decades now captured the moment the war ended. If it happened today, we would judge it by 2013 standards. By 1945 standards, it was something that happened in the heat of the moment....and was judged by an entirely different standard. We might say, well...that's offensive, he's assaulting her. Okay fair enough, but I see this as one definitive moment in our history, where a man overwhelmed with the moment kissed a nurse. In the heat of the moment.

The picture tells that story, it is what it is.
 
2013-11-15 09:49:16 AM  

The Muthaship: Yeah, there's no doubt it was done without permission, and that is generally bad. But, the question is whether she was angry about it, or felt violated afterwards. The answer there seems to be know. It was an extraordinary moment for everyone there. People's reactions can be effected by such things.


Dude, she WAS pissed. Just because puckrock and my link don't have her specifically freaking out doesn't mean she wasn't. The more extensive interview I was referring to she definitely states she was not at ALL impressed. I wish I could find it but I'm not gonna waste all morning looking.

It probably doesn't get as much exposure because the media don't want to ruin the fantasy. I mean just look at the guy (no not the guy in TFA that isn't even the right dude which is another klusterf*ck)... even as an old man he looks like a brute.
 
2013-11-15 09:51:25 AM  

here to help: The nurse's name is Greta and she wasn't even an American.


Oh no!

She still never says she felt violated, or that she was "none too pleased with Mr Suave".  Nor have any of the other women who have claimed to be the one in the picture.

Take a break from HuffPo.
 
2013-11-15 09:54:31 AM  

here to help: The Muthaship: Yeah, there's no doubt it was done without permission, and that is generally bad. But, the question is whether she was angry about it, or felt violated afterwards. The answer there seems to be know. It was an extraordinary moment for everyone there. People's reactions can be effected by such things.

Dude, she WAS pissed. Just because puckrock and my link don't have her specifically freaking out doesn't mean she wasn't. The more extensive interview I was referring to she definitely states she was not at ALL impressed. I wish I could find it but I'm not gonna waste all morning looking.

It probably doesn't get as much exposure because the media don't want to ruin the fantasy. I mean just look at the guy (no not the guy in TFA that isn't even the right dude which is another klusterf*ck)... even as an old man he looks like a brute.


The thing is, it also doesn't mean that she was. You're projecting the hell out of things, not to mention imposing values and judgements half a century later on the event. It's more than likely - if these are the actual people involved - that she felt differently about it at the time (when women were far more restricted and imposed on by society) than she does now (after the feminist revolution).

Now, if you want to go with "Hey asshole, you don't just get to randomly kiss strangers." then I'm right there with you.
 
2013-11-15 09:56:03 AM  

DuoX: id est quod est

As the actual people involved have never with 100% certainty ever been identified...this talk of what it is, and what it is not...is endemic of this new and recent cancer in America: the deconstruction of anything and everything to break it down into something we can rip apart....and for what? To show ourselves how much more civilized we are now in 2013 as opposed to 1945? Try telling that to the women and children in Iraq who are disfigured for life. Try telling that to our servicemen who can't even get basic VA care, discarded by a government who was willing to throw them into wars with no clear enemy and no real objective.

The real fact here is that in the last 30 years or so, we have been attempting to scrub and demean things in our history. Did this picture capture a sexual assault? By today's standards, yes. By the standard of the moment it was taken...not so much. The norms of the day were a great deal different.

Now, the picture is an iconic image of America. So is the flag raising at Iwo Jima....a stamp of land that turned into a human meat grinder that history has shown had little to no strategic value and was probably a waste of men's lives and time. Does that mean that iconic photo is somehow lessened as a moment in history because of the price paid for what amounted to nothing? No. Because id est quod est. It is what it is. Those men fought and raised Old Glory and someone was there to capture it. It's funny to watch people vilify this picture...what's your take on the mushroom cloud over Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How do you feel about the Enola Gay? Instruments that kissed people with death.

Perspective people. This country needs some. Seriously. We like to talk about how much more civilized we are with crap like complaining about this picture, with peel and stick opinions. It does not make you more civilized, it makes you look like an idiot...with zero perspective.

Pictures tell a story, Sometimes, that initial view...speaks for its ...


Classic. Ignore facts and reality for the sake of keeping up the appearance that the good ole US is and always has been the most perfectest place EVAR!!

USA!!
USA!!
USA!!

Oh and the popularized photo of the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima was staged. The real thing happened shortly before hand but they didn't like the pics so they had the boy do it again. It's called propaganda and perhaps in these cases is somewhat harmless but should still be know for what it is... propaganda... especially considering propaganda is exactly how that war got going and ended up being so devastating.
 
2013-11-15 09:59:05 AM  

Carousel Beast: here to help: The Muthaship: Yeah, there's no doubt it was done without permission, and that is generally bad. But, the question is whether she was angry about it, or felt violated afterwards. The answer there seems to be know. It was an extraordinary moment for everyone there. People's reactions can be effected by such things.

Dude, she WAS pissed. Just because puckrock and my link don't have her specifically freaking out doesn't mean she wasn't. The more extensive interview I was referring to she definitely states she was not at ALL impressed. I wish I could find it but I'm not gonna waste all morning looking.

It probably doesn't get as much exposure because the media don't want to ruin the fantasy. I mean just look at the guy (no not the guy in TFA that isn't even the right dude which is another klusterf*ck)... even as an old man he looks like a brute.

The thing is, it also doesn't mean that she was. You're projecting the hell out of things, not to mention imposing values and judgements half a century later on the event. It's more than likely - if these are the actual people involved - that she felt differently about it at the time (when women were far more restricted and imposed on by society) than she does now (after the feminist revolution).

Now, if you want to go with "Hey asshole, you don't just get to randomly kiss strangers." then I'm right there with you.


I might suggest that she could have even been more offended because of how restricted women were.  Women couldn't grab men on the street and kiss them.  How dare he?  Yet, she couldn't say anything because he was a sailor, a hero.  That's seething insult and rage right there.
 
2013-11-15 09:59:14 AM  
Sounds like a lot of jealous basement dwelling farkiers on here today who have never and will never kiss a woman because... eeewww, kooties.
 
2013-11-15 10:02:56 AM  

The Muthaship: puckrock2000: "And then I was grabbed," she says. "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

Yeah, there's no doubt it was done without permission, and that is generally bad.


www.netmeister.org

As an unrelated point, this giant statute depicting sexual assault is called "unconditional surrender"? Why not just call it "lie back and try to enjoy it"?
 
2013-11-15 10:04:21 AM  

Theaetetus: Why not just call it "lie back and try to enjoy it"?


Thanks God you're here!

Remember to mop up when you guys are done.
 
2013-11-15 10:06:29 AM  
Deep Contact


Good thing she wasn't German. The Russians were doing more than kissing.

I'm supposed to feel bad for what the Ruskies did to the nazies? Is Beelzebub ice skating in his back yard yet?
 
2013-11-15 10:06:49 AM  
here to help:

Classic. Ignore facts and reality for the sake of keeping up the appearance that the good ole US is and always has been the most perfectest place EVAR!!
USA!!
USA!!
USA!!


Who's ignoring facts? I stated that the norms and climes of the nation were different then, than they are now. This is a fact. In meeting said fact..you resort to a standard and transparent attempt to relegate me to some kind of mouth breathing Palin loving moron. I have news for you: the south does it too. They attempt to make their history look more agreeable by trying to convince people that slaves wanted to be slaves, and were willing to fight for the confederacy. But our history, for good or for bad is our history. Learn from it, accept what happened in context...but stop trying to deconstruct it, or rip it apart to make it easier to swallow. Learn to look at things in their historical context. If you can't do that, then maybe you should take a break from your sheet of talking points.

Every corner of America does this. From the GOP, to the Democrats....north, south...east and west. This disease knows no party, racial, or moral boundaries.

On the subject of Iwo Jima, yes...I am aware it was staged. It does not take away from the iconic status of the photo. It also does not take away from the fact we paid a huge price for that photo op in wasted lives and time. So, now...who's ignoring facts?
 
2013-11-15 10:07:43 AM  

Carousel Beast: here to help: The Muthaship: Yeah, there's no doubt it was done without permission, and that is generally bad. But, the question is whether she was angry about it, or felt violated afterwards. The answer there seems to be know. It was an extraordinary moment for everyone there. People's reactions can be effected by such things.

Dude, she WAS pissed. Just because puckrock and my link don't have her specifically freaking out doesn't mean she wasn't. The more extensive interview I was referring to she definitely states she was not at ALL impressed. I wish I could find it but I'm not gonna waste all morning looking.

It probably doesn't get as much exposure because the media don't want to ruin the fantasy. I mean just look at the guy (no not the guy in TFA that isn't even the right dude which is another klusterf*ck)... even as an old man he looks like a brute.

The thing is, it also doesn't mean that she was. You're projecting the hell out of things, not to mention imposing values and judgements half a century later on the event. It's more than likely - if these are the actual people involved - that she felt differently about it at the time (when women were far more restricted and imposed on by society) than she does now (after the feminist revolution).

Now, if you want to go with "Hey asshole, you don't just get to randomly kiss strangers." then I'm right there with you.


But she was pissed. My (step) grandparents were Austrian and I'll tell you those women were not nearly as timid as American women were back then. My Oma would have clocked this guy and that was direct impression I got from Greta the "Nurse"... who wasn't even a nurse. She was a dental assistant.

But yes... a large part of the point is it is not cool to go running around drunkenly assaulting women BUT it's also an interesting historical note and statement as to how the US views itself. Look at Muthaship here, even after being shown he was wrong and that the woman was NOT cool with it he insists that somehow it was okay. Because he is a rapist? I doubt it. It's more likely that he does not want to face the fact that part of his country's history isn't quite as clean cut and wholesome as he was led to believe.

That said what I do NOT contest is that this particular image and its effect on society is an entity itself despite the true story behind it. That was another point I think (but am not certain without seeing the full interview again) the "nurse" made. The fantasy was very powerful and persistent and transcends its somewhat sleazy origins. That doesn't mean the truth should be ignored from a historical point of view... especially this far in the future when we have much different problems that post WWII style jingoism/patriotism will not solve. Back then the country needed that photo to heal. Now... not so much.
 
2013-11-15 10:08:43 AM  
DuoX

Try telling that to our servicemen who can't even get basic VA care,
Not to worrry. The .gov will soon be running everyones health care.

// and half as well as they run the VA.
 
2013-11-15 10:08:49 AM  

gadian: Carousel Beast: here to help: The Muthaship: Yeah, there's no doubt it was done without permission, and that is generally bad. But, the question is whether she was angry about it, or felt violated afterwards. The answer there seems to be know. It was an extraordinary moment for everyone there. People's reactions can be effected by such things.

Dude, she WAS pissed. Just because puckrock and my link don't have her specifically freaking out doesn't mean she wasn't. The more extensive interview I was referring to she definitely states she was not at ALL impressed. I wish I could find it but I'm not gonna waste all morning looking.

It probably doesn't get as much exposure because the media don't want to ruin the fantasy. I mean just look at the guy (no not the guy in TFA that isn't even the right dude which is another klusterf*ck)... even as an old man he looks like a brute.

The thing is, it also doesn't mean that she was. You're projecting the hell out of things, not to mention imposing values and judgements half a century later on the event. It's more than likely - if these are the actual people involved - that she felt differently about it at the time (when women were far more restricted and imposed on by society) than she does now (after the feminist revolution).

Now, if you want to go with "Hey asshole, you don't just get to randomly kiss strangers." then I'm right there with you.

I might suggest that she could have even been more offended because of how restricted women were.  Women couldn't grab men on the street and kiss them.  How dare he?  Yet, she couldn't say anything because he was a sailor, a hero.  That's seething insult and rage right there.


Again, you're projecting. I absolutely agree from our perspective. But it's staggering the number of times I've talked some someone of that generation and heard the phrase "that's just the way it was" about something that would seem absolutely outrageous now - which seems so oddly fatalistic for a generation that went out and reshaped the world so dramatically.

I'm absolutely not disagreeing it was a dick thing to do, btw. Just idly debating while I wait for our BASIS team to roll into work.
 
2013-11-15 10:14:44 AM  

DuoX: Learn from it, accept what happened in context...but stop trying to deconstruct it, or rip it apart to make it easier to swallow.


What the hell are you talking about? How am I trying to "make it easier to swallow"? It's a whole hell of a lot easier to swallow with the romantic/heroic illusion than it is with the truth. I was rather disillusioned when I found out what really happened. It's an image ingrained in our psyches as "everything good about America". Then to find out it was some drunk assaulting women with his complacent and obedient girlfriend in tow... well let's just say it leaves yet another black stain on ones soul. Just like pulling back Santa's beard at the mall and discovering he's actually the town drunk.
 
2013-11-15 10:19:08 AM  

Carousel Beast: But it's staggering the number of times I've talked some someone of that generation and heard the phrase "that's just the way it was" about something that would seem absolutely outrageous now - which seems so oddly fatalistic for a generation that went out and reshaped the world so dramatically.


You are thinking by American standards. Greta wasn't American and that kind of sh*t did fly so well with Austrian/German women. They were pretty f*cking bad ass.
 
2013-11-15 10:25:14 AM  
www.esquire.com
 
2013-11-15 10:53:18 AM  

mentallo69:


I was waiting for this.
 
2013-11-15 11:09:46 AM  

Molavian: I can't wait for it to be a called a monument to sexual abuse and inequality, and then for people to start making rape comparisons.


The whiny shiats on Metafilter are waaaay ahead of your expectations. It's already been labelled "nonconsensual sexual assault" by some there.

Yeah, maybe... but even if it was, given the context... I'm giving it a pass.

/Feminism doesn't have to be anti-everything.
//Some people like being angry.
///Pro-equality.
 
2013-11-15 11:20:18 AM  
I have a couple extra bags of popcorn here if anyone wants some.
 
2013-11-15 11:30:47 AM  
2nd Daily WWII thread.
 
2013-11-15 11:42:47 AM  

here to help:  Assault isn't cool... no matter what Matt Barnett of Missouri tells you.


Let me see if I understand this properly. The man in question had just been fighting in a war which killed over twenty million military personnel and twice as many civilians. He fought for the side which had twice used nuclear weapons of mass destruction on civilians.

And the "assault" which bothers you is a kiss?
 
2013-11-15 11:47:10 AM  
Broom:It's already been labelled "nonconsensual sexual assault" by some there.

As opposed to consensual sexual assault?
 
2013-11-15 11:52:43 AM  

brimed03: mentallo69:

I was waiting for this.


Great minds and all :)
 
2013-11-15 12:05:27 PM  

orbister: here to help:  Assault isn't cool... no matter what Matt Barnett of Missouri tells you.

Let me see if I understand this properly. The man in question had just been fighting in a war which killed over twenty million military personnel and twice as many civilians. He fought for the side which had twice used nuclear weapons of mass destruction on civilians.

And the "assault" which bothers you is a kiss?


lol... I'll admit the nukes may have been a little unnecessary (especially the second one) BUT they scared the piss out of everyone enough to completely and definitively end the war. Still it is rather despicable it was used on civilians. What should have happened was they should have dropped ONE on some military target that was just close enough to a populated area so everyone could see what the US had and that they'd better sit the f*ck down.

As far as the rest... I'm sorry, Germany HAD to be stopped as did Japan and the way the allies approached the war was pretty much the only option to accomplish that. They didn't have all our precision strike weapons or modern tactical knowhow. It was a truly dark period but even as a hippity dippity peacenik I truly believe much of what was done was necessary. And it's not like the allies kept slaughtering people after after the axis forces stood down. That's what made us the "good" guys in all of that. The Fascists and the Empire would likely not have been as friendly about things.

Good troll though.
 
2013-11-15 12:16:38 PM  
I've always heard that no one knows exactly who the two people were in that photo.

Some years back I saw an article in a major magazine with more than a dozen men and women all claiming to be the individuals in the photo.

All of the men and women had photos of themselves in 1945, and they were comparing their features to the two people in the original picture.  (Look at the hairline, that's definitely *me* in that photo)

According to article every single one of the men claimed to have kissed many women that day, including the famous pic.  Same with the women, they all claimed to have been kissed many times that day and all claimed to be the woman in the photo.

The article could not confirm any of their claims as being the exact two people in the original.

So when were the two people's identities confirmed, if ever?
 
2013-11-15 12:24:18 PM  

ristst: I've always heard that no one knows exactly who the two people were in that photo.

Some years back I saw an article in a major magazine with more than a dozen men and women all claiming to be the individuals in the photo.

All of the men and women had photos of themselves in 1945, and they were comparing their features to the two people in the original picture.  (Look at the hairline, that's definitely *me* in that photo)

According to article every single one of the men claimed to have kissed many women that day, including the famous pic.  Same with the women, they all claimed to have been kissed many times that day and all claimed to be the woman in the photo.

The article could not confirm any of their claims as being the exact two people in the original.

So when were the two people's identities confirmed, if ever?


Mendonca was confirmed by matching up his scars and tattoos by the navy (supposedly). Not sure how they confirmed Greta.
 
2013-11-15 12:29:34 PM  
here to help:

Oh and the popularized photo of the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima was staged. The real thing happened shortly before hand but they didn't like the pics so they had the boy do it again. It's called propaganda and perhaps in these cases is somewhat harmless but should still be know for what it is... propaganda... especially considering propaganda is exactly how that war got going and ended up being so devastating.

Staged? Let's ask the guy who actually took the picture:

"Rosenthal often said that had the photograph been his to set up, he would have used fewer men and had them face toward the camera so AP's clients would be more inclined to use the picture in hometown newspapers."
 
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