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2013-11-15 08:57:21 AM  
5 votes:
I think China didn't have a choice on the one-child policy.  Too many boys and not enough girls to go around is a recipe for disaster.
2013-11-15 08:38:27 AM  
4 votes:
Before everyone goes all Henny Penny about global population, population growth rates have been steadily declining since their peak in the late 1960s. It took 40 years for the population to double from 3 billion in 1959 to 6 billion in 1999, and it is projected to grow 50% in the 43 years from 1999 to 2042. Current UN projections show population stabilizing and possibly even declining after the middle of the 21st century.

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2013-11-15 12:57:29 PM  
2 votes:
In principle I could still be alive in 2050 or 2060 to see the Brave New World, whatever it is. Life expectancy would get me to about 2040-2045. By then we can reasonably hope that life expectancy is a good ten or twenty years more than today.

The demographic curve is a bit tight, given the resource base we have to support all these people, but we might be able to get over the hump.

The next problem is resources--many of our reserses of earth elements are only good for ten or twenty years. No doubt we have barely begun to scratch the surface of the Earth for some of these metals, while asteroid and Moon mining could supply vast amounts of rare elements with relatively low impact (apart from the rocket fuel used, but rockets can burn kerosene, our oldest fossil fuel-based petroleum product).

Our SF writers have been ahead of us for fifty years, so we have a good sense of where we might be going, both in the dystopian and the utopian direction.

The environment remains a big concern. Even if climate change turns out to be best case rather than worst case, we are facing the onging mass extinction. We are likely to lose some of our most photogenic animals and a lot of the productive capacity of our oceans and soils. It is not going to be easy to feed nine to eleven billion people, and it's going to be even harder to maintain growth rates that will support growing energy consumption.

The one billion people we had in 1800 could easily be supported with the resources that exist now and the greater resources that existed then. Living economically but well was possible for the human race then and probably at least until the population boom of the 1950s and 1960s.

We started to notice problems, unintended consequences and so forth then. I think this is not coincidence. We only started to realize the problems when they became big enough to see, which is to say when we were already pushing the limits of healthy consumption. Since then, a lot of our growth has been unhealthy and we know it. Even the denialists know it. They are afraid the bills might come due and that they, rather than innocent victims, might have to pay those bills.

Well, there are more of us than ever. As they say, most of the scientists who ever lived are alive today. So are most of the lard-butt couch potatoes.

We can fix this and many other things.

But there will be new generations of denial.

As a a famous Israeli diplomat said of Americans,  (in a quip that is also attributed to Sir Winston Churchill) we will eventually do the right thing when we have exhausted all the alternatives.

Until then, things should get very interesting for a lot of humanity. Interesting as in the old Scottish curse, may you live in interesting times.

I hope I get to celebrate the 200th Anniversary of the end of the American Civil War in a world where racism is largely cured. I hope it is in a world that has not bombed Nagasaki with nuclear weapons more than once. That would be a great birthday present to me in my last year on Earth. And I hope to see my coffee plantation on Baffin Island finally turning a profit. Not really. I doubt if it will ever get that far, despite all the fossil crocodiles and turtles that scientists dig up in the Far North from the last time the Earth was warm enough to turn the Arctic into a brackish, almost fresh water sea on top of cold salty ocean.
2013-11-15 12:27:19 PM  
2 votes:

Mister Pleco: I had a Chinese, born and bred, girlfriend born in the late 60's.  She has two younger sisters.  I asked how the government allowed that to happen to which she replied, "Oh, that only applies to peasants!"

/all people are created equal - some are more equal than others.
//the more you know.


She didnt mention that law was not in effect in the 60s/70s huh ?
or that it didnt include non "Han" races (indigenous ethnic groups were and are allowed two)
or that the peasants make up a large portion of those groups

// the more you know
/ anything else she neglected to mention ?
2013-11-15 12:04:03 PM  
2 votes:
rlv.zcache.comThat's just for you subby.

It's not good in the slightest. The entire planet needs to be on birth control. We're going to wipe ourselves out with over population long before any other disaster. China is the worst offender on the whole stupid planet for pollution, over population, and aggressive expanisionist policies.
Again, read the tag moron. It really applies to anyone who thinks "cool" is a term for human extinction.
2013-11-15 10:46:26 AM  
2 votes:

Lucky LaRue: I think China didn't have a choice on the one-child policy.  Too many boys and not enough girls to go around is a recipe for disaster.


I was listening to NPR a while back...they were discussing the fact that there is going to be a major deficit in a couple of areas.  One being breeding, the second being elder care...they mentioned something about the fact that there are more old people than young, and China is going to have a reallllyyy big problem with there not being enough able bodied people to take care of the elderly in the coming years.  This problem has been directly attributed to the misguided theory of population control.
2013-11-15 01:53:40 PM  
1 votes:
During the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, LeMay clashed again with U.S. President John F. Kennedy and Defense Secretary McNamara, arguing that he should be allowed to bomb nuclear missile sites in Cuba. He opposed the naval blockade and, after the end of the crisis, suggested that Cuba be invaded anyway, even after the Russians agreed to withdraw. LeMay called the peaceful resolution of the crisis "the greatest defeat in our history". Unknown to the US, the Soviet field commanders in Cuba had been given authority to launch-the only time such authority was delegated by higher command. They had twenty nuclear warheads for medium-range R-12 Dvina (NATO Code SS-4 Sandal) ballistic missiles capable of reaching US cities (including Washington) and nine tactical nuclear missiles. If Soviet officers had launched them, many millions of US citizens could have been killed. The ensuing SAC retaliatory thermonuclear strike would have killed roughly one hundred million Soviet citizens. Kennedy refused LeMay's requests, however, and the naval blockade was successful.

Not all military commanders agree with their civilian leadership. Not all civilian leadership is sane or capable of reining in crazy military personnel. And finally a one-party system that controls virtually everything that occurs inside a country doesn't operate like a pluralistic republic.
2013-11-15 12:17:47 PM  
1 votes:
I had a Chinese, born and bred, girlfriend born in the late 60's.  She has two younger sisters.  I asked how the government allowed that to happen to which she replied, "Oh, that only applies to peasants!"

/all people are created equal - some are more equal than others.
//the more you know.
2013-11-15 12:11:01 PM  
1 votes:

Cold_Sassy: wichitaleaf: TheShavingofOccam123: So do they need the dudes for invading India again? Vietnam again? Russia again?

When a country filled with 1.4 billion people looks around and says "we need the dudes", you have to ask yourself why.

Modern all-out, toe-to-toe warfare has enormous casualty rates. We're not talking Seal Team Six combat. We're talking nuclear warfare fought against billions of civilians.

It is no secret that the military and other VIP's in scarily important places within the Chinese government want to and are planning an attack on the good ol' USA.

I have heard this also, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least.


Well I've never heard this from anyone who isn't a paranoid Alex Jones type... and for good reason. It's incredibly dumb.

The US is the absolute last nation on earth China wants an open war with. Their economy depends on ours. To start a war with us would be tantamount to dragging their own economy behind the woodshed and emptying a full clip into its head. Not only would vast amounts of Chinese wealth effectively vanish overnight, but their economic activity going forward would be devastated as well.

That's not even mentioning our insane conventional military capabilities, our enormous stockpile of WMD (enough to end virtually all life on earth) or that starting a war with us would quickly turn China into an international pariah that wasn't only fighting us but also our allies.

The Chinese drink tea, but that doesnt mean they are Tea Party stupid.
2013-11-15 11:57:18 AM  
1 votes:
www.china-profile.com

There is no reason to worry about India or China. Their fertility rates are dropping like a stone.
2013-11-15 11:42:59 AM  
1 votes:

miss diminutive: Excellent. The future will need more space miners.


Space mining will be the *good* job of the future, imagine how shiatty space-walmart-greeter will pay?
2013-11-15 11:33:04 AM  
1 votes:

lockers: This will probably have zero impact on the actual population growth in china. Hell, Taiwan practically pays for the kid and it hasn't made a dent on their population decline.


Regardless of what it does to population growth, it will stop some of the horrific and disgusting practices like forced abortions, infanticide, etc.
2013-11-15 11:26:06 AM  
1 votes:
Forget it Jake, it's China.
2013-11-15 11:25:07 AM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: Lucky LaRue: I think China didn't have a choice on the one-child policy.  Too many boys and not enough girls to go around is a recipe for disaster.

I was listening to NPR a while back...they were discussing the fact that there is going to be a major deficit in a couple of areas.  One being breeding, the second being elder care...they mentioned something about the fact that there are more old people than young, and China is going to have a reallllyyy big problem with there not being enough able bodied people to take care of the elderly in the coming years.  This problem has been directly attributed to the misguided theory of population control.


They could always go with the Republican plan for elderly care:

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2013-11-15 11:21:20 AM  
1 votes:

Sybarite: Before everyone goes all Henny Penny about global population, population growth rates have been steadily declining since their peak in the late 1960s. It took 40 years for the population to double from 3 billion in 1959 to 6 billion in 1999, and it is projected to grow 50% in the 43 years from 1999 to 2042. Current UN projections show population stabilizing and possibly even declining after the middle of the 21st century.

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It's almost as if population never grew to these levels because there were an asston of mitigating factors, like disease and early death, but as we removed those factors, population had explosive growth but now it's leveling to how the normal rate will be under these factors.
2013-11-15 11:12:46 AM  
1 votes:
Great, just what we need.  More Chinese.
2013-11-15 11:02:27 AM  
1 votes:
Oh great, so now you can have two Chinese kids. Still going to be hungry an hour later.
2013-11-15 08:36:22 AM  
1 votes:
Good, I need a new iPhone made with sweet, sweet, child tears.
 
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