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(LA Times)   Los Angeles Unified schools move ahead with a plan to give every student an iPad. Students update excuses from "Dog ate my homework" to "Mom pawned my iPad for crack"   (latimes.com) divider line 41
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2013-11-15 08:50:07 AM
Stolen iPad rates to skyrocket 2 days after they're given out.
 
2013-11-15 08:50:29 AM
Will they double as flotation devices for when The Big One hits?
 
2013-11-15 08:52:29 AM
Suburban school districts have been doing this for years and the biggest problem turned out to be school officials spying on students.

Nice one, bigotmitter.
 
2013-11-15 08:52:37 AM
I hate when my Mom pawns my shiat for crack. Get a farking job, Mom!
 
2013-11-15 08:59:33 AM
Dwight_Yeast

Suburban school districts have been doing this for years and the biggest problem turned out to be school officials spying on students.

Nice one, bigotmitter.


Maybe he lives somewhere like I do, where a quarter of the laptops provided to students just vanished. It happens.
 
2013-11-15 09:01:02 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Stolen iPad rates to skyrocket 2 days after they're given out.


Two of our nearby school districts have given out devices, one Chromebooks and one iPads, and it's worked surprisingly well. The students have to sign an agreement to take care of them, have to bring them to class, and have to produce them for teachers or school administrators on demand. They also have to pay a small "insurance" fee to cover accidental breakage. They also get to keep them when they graduate.
 
2013-11-15 09:12:02 AM
After that, officials reclaimed the iPads from students at three high schools and ordered the rest kept on campus.

Here are you books on the iPad. No taking that shiat home.

/Also: why not give them random cheap ass tablets instead?
//Would knock the price down by half
 
2013-11-15 09:33:36 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Dwight_Yeast

Suburban school districts have been doing this for years and the biggest problem turned out to be school officials spying on students.

Nice one, bigotmitter.

Maybe he lives somewhere like I do, where a quarter of the laptops provided to students just vanished. It happens.


These, and then I have to wonder if they even bother to teach these kids penmanship, spelling, or composition anymore.
Eh, maybe that's just me being old.
 
2013-11-15 09:36:22 AM
ya, our childrens has technomology nao!!!! i can just feel the reading and math scores going up exponentially.


DerAppie: /Also: why not give them random cheap ass tablets instead?
//Would knock the price down by half


oh please, cheap knockoffs are for 3rd world countries and children. oops, i mean like real little children, like leapfrog type stuff. besides, money siphoning and goodwill campaigns work better when they have big names attached
 
2013-11-15 09:44:07 AM
If you want to give a kid a computer for school, it 100% needs to have a stylus and OneNote.
 
2013-11-15 09:44:46 AM

JoieD'Zen: These, and then I have to wonder if they even bother to teach these kids penmanship, spelling, or composition anymore.


no.

penmanship: cursive is out, get with the times gramps or grandma

spelling/composition: do you even spellcheck? grammar is the bigger worry now, but don't worry if they don't know the difference between then/than, to/too/two, etc. the meaning will be evident through context. finally there is lexicon to consider. i am sure right now somebody is working on an addition to spellcheck like microsoft's 'little helpers' that pop up in situations like this: "i've noticed you used 'good' for the twentieth time in this document, would you like to use our thesaurus* feature for a list of synonyms*?" (please click on starred words if you are unsure of their uses)
 
2013-11-15 09:44:47 AM
Cost-wise, one non-retina iPad only equals about 2 textbooks and a graphing calculator, so it's not like it is THAT expensive compared to everything else in the education world.
 
2013-11-15 09:48:55 AM

Mad_Radhu: Cost-wise, one non-retina iPad only equals about 2 textbooks and a graphing calculator, so it's not like it is THAT expensive compared to everything else in the education world.


a decent graphing calculator should last you 20 yrs. i wonder how the ipad will be holding up after 20 yrs?
 
2013-11-15 10:01:34 AM

divgradcurl: JoieD'Zen: These, and then I have to wonder if they even bother to teach these kids penmanship, spelling, or composition anymore.


no.

penmanship: cursive is out, get with the times gramps or grandma

spelling/composition: do you even spellcheck? grammar is the bigger worry now, but don't worry if they don't know the difference between then/than, to/too/two, etc. the meaning will be evident through context. finally there is lexicon to consider. i am sure right now somebody is working on an addition to spellcheck like microsoft's 'little helpers' that pop up in situations like this: "i've noticed you used 'good' for the twentieth time in this document, would you like to use our thesaurus* feature for a list of synonyms*?" (please click on starred words if you are unsure of their uses)


What really gets me into a tizzy is that computers, phones, and the like are accepting all this bastardized text speak. I want a standard program that when you type "u", will suggest "you", instead of just rolling with it like it is a viable word.
 
2013-11-15 10:03:25 AM

divgradcurl: Mad_Radhu: Cost-wise, one non-retina iPad only equals about 2 textbooks and a graphing calculator, so it's not like it is THAT expensive compared to everything else in the education world.

a decent graphing calculator should last you 20 yrs. i wonder how the ipad will be holding up after 20 yrs?


My decent graphing calculator from 20 years ago is now a worthless piece of crap.  Even if it did work, why in the world would I use that instead of mathematica?
 
2013-11-15 10:04:22 AM
I really don't like this idea at all.  Kids have enough trouble paying attention, and throwing electronic distractions at them isn't going to help.  There are lots of reasons our educational system is lagging, but I don't think a lack of iPads is one of them.
 
2013-11-15 10:09:24 AM

divgradcurl: grammar is the bigger worry now, but don't worry if they don't know the difference between then/than, to/too/two, etc. the meaning will be evident through context.


Meh.  They didn't teach grammar in school when I was a kid 20 years ago, as the English teachers found it "boring".  We'd spend a week diagramming sentences, then go back to reading/discussion.

I'm lucky that I figured out early on how English works as a language and what sounds "right" and "wrong" but in most cases, I can't explain why grammatically.  I also taught myself the proper use of the semicolon, which is enough to make your writing appear college-level, even if you suck at most other things (like spelling, handwriting, etc).
 
2013-11-15 10:29:37 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Dwight_Yeast

Suburban school districts have been doing this for years and the biggest problem turned out to be school officials spying on students.

Nice one, bigotmitter.

Maybe he lives somewhere like I do, where a quarter of the laptops provided to students just vanished. It happens.


We had an article about it last week, in fact.
 
2013-11-15 10:31:43 AM

Erix: I really don't like this idea at all.  Kids have enough trouble paying attention, and throwing electronic distractions at them isn't going to help.  There are lots of reasons our educational system is lagging, but I don't think a lack of iPads is one of them.


But how will they know how to operate a consumer good that even your computer illiterate grandma can use or learn to socialize if we don't give every elementary school kid one?

/sent from my nexus
 
2013-11-15 10:32:50 AM

Mad_Radhu: Cost-wise, one non-retina iPad only equals about 2 textbooks and a graphing calculator, so it's not like it is THAT expensive compared to everything else in the education world.




As an iPad owner...I still have to question the motives. The only real difference I can see between an iPad and a decent android tablet nowadays is the amount of unique games in the iPad app store (and the greater price of the iPad).

My kid's school purchased 6 ipads per classroom....and I'm wondering why they didn't get android tablets so they could get 12 tablets per classroom. Additionally, the only use I've seen them have (so far) is use them to take pictures at the Halloween party and other events....but I can certainly see them being useful for web research and what not as various classroom uses become more apparent as time goes on the the classroom...but I'd still rather have them in the hands of more kids than less.

The other part of this is that the library has a computer lab, currently consisting of 16 (maybe 20?) old-and-creaky Dells bought 10 years ago. The school has no money to replace these. At some point, through sheer attrition, those will NEED to be replaced...and I'm assuming they'll want to replace them with something that easily syncs with those iPads...so that means instead of buying a bunch of cheap Dells, they'll probably update the computer lab with the cost-equivalent of 4 mac minis or something.
 
2013-11-15 11:13:58 AM
That's such a gigantic waste of money.
 
2013-11-15 11:54:18 AM

snowshovel: Mad_Radhu: Cost-wise, one non-retina iPad only equals about 2 textbooks and a graphing calculator, so it's not like it is THAT expensive compared to everything else in the education world.

As an iPad owner...I still have to question the motives. The only real difference I can see between an iPad and a decent android tablet nowadays is the amount of unique games in the iPad app store (and the greater price of the iPad).

My kid's school purchased 6 ipads per classroom....and I'm wondering why they didn't get android tablets so they could get 12 tablets per classroom. Additionally, the only use I've seen them have (so far) is use them to take pictures at the Halloween party and other events....but I can certainly see them being useful for web research and what not as various classroom uses become more apparent as time goes on the the classroom...but I'd still rather have them in the hands of more kids than less.

The other part of this is that the library has a computer lab, currently consisting of 16 (maybe 20?) old-and-creaky Dells bought 10 years ago. The school has no money to replace these. At some point, through sheer attrition, those will NEED to be replaced...and I'm assuming they'll want to replace them with something that easily syncs with those iPads...so that means instead of buying a bunch of cheap Dells, they'll probably update the computer lab with the cost-equivalent of 4 mac minis or something.


The school district I work for has 51 iPads for student use and 20 Samsung Tablets.  The iPads get used a lot and do have some specific apps that do not exist in Android land.  But the Androids will be getting more next year as the new tablets will be able to connect to the Play Store for Education that is rolling out now.  So we could see some changes and savings.

/small catholic school system
 
2013-11-15 12:15:08 PM
To give an ipad to every student?  Or to have one per student available?

I thought studies didn't show this kind of thing to lead to improved learning.
 
2013-11-15 12:17:23 PM

DerAppie: After that, officials reclaimed the iPads from students at three high schools and ordered the rest kept on campus.

Here are you books on the iPad. No taking that shiat home.

/Also: why not give them random cheap ass tablets instead?
//Would knock the price down by half


Or just have every classroom equipped with the most basic desktop PCs?

You don't need the latest offerings for internet access and Microsoft Office. You really don't need anything other than that for education. What you spend on IT you'll save from not having to buy useless, out-of-date, Texas-propaganda text books every year.

Hell, I'm willing to bet you can get people to donate their old PCs to the district, wipe them out and use them. Even cheaper.
 
2013-11-15 12:26:03 PM

Dwight_Yeast: divgradcurl: grammar is the bigger worry now, but don't worry if they don't know the difference between then/than, to/too/two, etc. the meaning will be evident through context.

Meh.  They didn't teach grammar in school when I was a kid 20 years ago, as the English teachers found it "boring".  We'd spend a week diagramming sentences, then go back to reading/discussion.

I'm lucky that I figured out early on how English works as a language and what sounds "right" and "wrong" but in most cases, I can't explain why grammatically.  I also taught myself the proper use of the semicolon, which is enough to make your writing appear college-level, even if you suck at most other things (like spelling, handwriting, etc).


Semicolons are farking easy. You use them whenever you could use a period or a comma.

Also, English grammar is not standardized at all and is constantly changing. It's why Hemingway can get away with using run-on sentences and still be proclaimed as a great writer.

/Oxford Comma for life biatches!
//One of the few grammar rules that makes sense
 
2013-11-15 01:18:55 PM
The biggest farking waste of money I've ever heard. And the city council doesn't have the guts to tell the school board to shove it when they asked to expand the already failing program.

This city is run by retards.
 
2013-11-15 01:47:04 PM
There is a question about the legality of this program. Regardless about the wisdom and efficiency of this program, how it is being paid for seems to expose the district to potential litigation. As the money used was from a bond measure for school construction and infrastructure projects that have a lifespan of at least 5 years, the iPads would not seem to qualify.  The school district itself categorizes the expected life of one of these iPads at 3 years so they can't get around the idea that these iPads will last the required time.  Given this discrepancy in bond requirements versus the program they are being used on, it would seem to be open to a challenge for misuse of the funds.
 
2013-11-15 02:00:13 PM

manimal2878: To give an ipad to every student?  Or to have one per student available?

I thought studies didn't show this kind of thing to lead to improved learning.


I think the problem is more that teachers don't know how to utilize them.

Quite rankly I'd rather have the kids read Wikipedia instead of the standard textbooks. Textbooks are notorious for errors and repeating mythologicalized stories from the 1800's instead of facts.

Your textbooks aren't written by the big name they put on the front cover, they are written by teams of English major interns who are (obviously) not subject matter experts.

/Don't get me started on how horrible history education is
 
2013-11-15 02:19:49 PM

shortymac: manimal2878: To give an ipad to every student?  Or to have one per student available?

I thought studies didn't show this kind of thing to lead to improved learning.

I think the problem is more that teachers don't know how to utilize them.

Quite rankly I'd rather have the kids read Wikipedia instead of the standard textbooks. Textbooks are notorious for errors and repeating mythologicalized stories from the 1800's instead of facts.

Your textbooks aren't written by the big name they put on the front cover, they are written by teams of English major interns who are (obviously) not subject matter experts.

/Don't get me started on how horrible history education is


while i understand your argument, it is a bit misplaced. perhaps kids would be better served by reading wiki over textbooks, but the same argument is true of actual encyclopedias. there is a lot less turnover and change in knowledge content (and editing by random people that you might encounter on wiki) from trying to create a new edition every year. (the place the tech help comes in here is it is easier to have 20 internet connections than it is to have 20 sets of encyclopedias)

i do agree on textbooks. and while i can't speak very much about history books, i know that the average student or teacher should have no problem using math or science textbooks from the 50's or 60's. there is no need to find a 'new way' to teach the rules of algebra and photosynthesis works the same now as it did then.
 
2013-11-15 02:36:23 PM
they'd be better off with a Nexus.   or a samsung running Android.

and it would cost less too.  but hey, we've got to keep the crony capitalists happy  (open source android is unamerican), especially since its common knowledge that school treasuries all acoss the nation are just loaded!!
 
2013-11-15 02:37:55 PM

snowshovel: Mad_Radhu: Cost-wise, one non-retina iPad only equals about 2 textbooks and a graphing calculator, so it's not like it is THAT expensive compared to everything else in the education world.

As an iPad owner...I still have to question the motives. The only real difference I can see between an iPad and a decent android tablet nowadays is the amount of unique games in the iPad app store (and the greater price of the iPad).

My kid's school purchased 6 ipads per classroom....and I'm wondering why they didn't get android tablets so they could get 12 tablets per classroom. Additionally, the only use I've seen them have (so far) is use them to take pictures at the Halloween party and other events....but I can certainly see them being useful for web research and what not as various classroom uses become more apparent as time goes on the the classroom...but I'd still rather have them in the hands of more kids than less.

The other part of this is that the library has a computer lab, currently consisting of 16 (maybe 20?) old-and-creaky Dells bought 10 years ago. The school has no money to replace these. At some point, through sheer attrition, those will NEED to be replaced...and I'm assuming they'll want to replace them with something that easily syncs with those iPads...so that means instead of buying a bunch of cheap Dells, they'll probably update the computer lab with the cost-equivalent of 4 mac minis or something.



now you know how it works in America.   Steve jobs just got a wicked blow job, even in his grave.
 
2013-11-15 02:40:19 PM

snowshovel: android



and besides, everyone knows Android is Open Source software, so its unamerican and antifreedom and anticapitalist.   we can't allow that to upset our crony capitalists friends who own this nation and its governement.  they're only doing this to protect us.  they're so sweet!
 
2013-11-15 02:44:35 PM
They did this for westlake high school in texas. As opposed to 40  to 60 lbs of textbooks, it seems like it works out for everyone but the school's tech department (and then, only because they have to handle tech requests).. Plus, with educational rates, it may be just as expensive as purchasing the textbooks for the school..
 
2013-11-15 03:04:27 PM

Dwight_Yeast: divgradcurl: grammar is the bigger worry now, but don't worry if they don't know the difference between then/than, to/too/two, etc. the meaning will be evident through context.

Meh.  They didn't teach grammar in school when I was a kid 20 years ago, as the English teachers found it "boring".  We'd spend a week diagramming sentences, then go back to reading/discussion.

I'm lucky that I figured out early on how English works as a language and what sounds "right" and "wrong" but in most cases, I can't explain why grammatically.  I also taught myself the proper use of the semicolon, which is enough to make your writing appear college-level, even if you suck at most other things (like spelling, handwriting, etc).


exactly this

i moved in 5th grade and entered a new school district where the 5th grade was the first year of junior high rather than the last year of elementary school. one of the weirdest things about the transfer was that I totally missed out on intro grammar / sentence diagramming because the district I left had not yet reached that curriculum and the district I entered had already passed it. As a result, I never really learned how to identify stupid shiat like what's the direct/indirect object/pronoun, etc, ad nauseum

it didn't matter because I was a stellar writer and understood the English language intuitively. The reverse-engineer bullshiat that is sentence diagramming never clicked for me and I would always struggle with that at the same time that I was winning student writing awards

/grammar as it is taught in schools is useless
//high honors student
///ivy league yo
////giving kids ipads is farking retarded
 
2013-11-15 03:26:05 PM
Injuries to children from the mass of their textbooks causing strain are not uncommon.
 
2013-11-15 03:34:03 PM
Our school (not LAUSD) has some iPads for instruction - the kids have to share, there aren't enough for each student. But there are benefits. Math tests get personalized, so it's easier for the teacher to track each student's progress. Everyone gets familiar with using technology- for instance, typing on a keyboard (or something very close to one).
 
2013-11-15 03:59:10 PM
"I uploaded the assignment, I swear! The server must have eaten it!"

Is the new "dog ate my homework.
 
2013-11-15 05:08:46 PM

Lunchlady: The biggest farking waste of money I've ever heard. And the city council doesn't have the guts to tell the school board to shove it when they asked to expand the already failing program.

This city is run by retards.


In California, cities have zero control over school districts, so the city council couldn't do anything.  They are two completely seperate entities.  For example, local zoning laws don't apply to public schools; if the state says it meets their building standards, then the school district can build whatever they want.  Also, the territory of most school districts does not even match city boundries.
 
2013-11-15 09:02:32 PM
Not only is this a total waste of money, but why do they have to be ipads? There's plenty of tablets that will work for what students need for half the price.
 
2013-11-16 12:26:39 AM
Half of the ca budget is for education and la has a 25 percent drop out rate, their solution is buy an expensive distraction on the tax payers dime....I hate this state.
 
2013-11-16 12:34:10 AM
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Incredible waste of money. If they wanted tablets, they should have gone with Nexus.
 
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