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(Daily Mail)   'Expert' claims humans do NOT come from Earth - and sunburn, bad backs and pain during labor prove it. Oddly enough, he just wrote a book that explains everything   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 208
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2013-11-14 11:56:09 PM
They range from humans suffering from bad backs - which he suggests is because we evolved in a world with lower gravity -  to getting too easily sunburned and having difficulty giving birth.

Seven billion people on earth.  I'd say we overcame any difficulty giving birth.
 
2013-11-14 11:57:13 PM
'Mankind is supposedly the most highly developed species on the planet, yet is surprisingly unsuited and ill-equipped for Earth's environment: harmed by sunlight, a strong dislike for naturally occurring foods, ridiculously high rates of chronic disease, and more,'

Holy hell, seriously? Someone actually awarded this mouth-breather a doctorate in a biological science?
 
2013-11-15 12:07:11 AM
Well, the space ape hypothesis seems just about as plausible as the aquatic ape hypothesis. More features of the space ape hypothesis from some very respected biologists can be found here. ;)

/seriously, though? someone ran with that and made a book like it's an actual thing? the mind boggles...
 
2013-11-15 12:26:16 AM
Apparently this guy made it through 30 years of school without hearing about Occam's Razor.
 
2013-11-15 12:27:12 AM
Well, his theory certainly convinced me.

I think reading that just devolved my brain a few thousand years.
 
2013-11-15 12:28:16 AM
Excellent, another blathering idiot to further discredit the extraterrestrial argument.
 
2013-11-15 12:29:27 AM
This is the book cover?

i.dailymail.co.uk

The Daily Mail is giving attention to a vanity publishing paranoid schizophrenic who designed his own book cover in MS Paint?
 
2013-11-15 12:29:35 AM
How does he explain the virtual similarity in primate and human DNA?
 
2013-11-15 12:30:57 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Apparently this guy made it through 30 years of school without hearing about Occam's Razor.


Or Larry Niven.
 
2013-11-15 12:32:08 AM

opaqueluminosity: 'Mankind is supposedly the most highly developed species on the planet, yet is surprisingly unsuited and ill-equipped for Earth's environment: harmed by sunlight, a strong dislike for naturally occurring foods, ridiculously high rates of chronic disease, and more,'

Holy hell, seriously? Someone actually awarded this mouth-breather a doctorate in a biological science?


There's always Liberty University...

/one day one night saturdsy's all right...
 
2013-11-15 12:32:36 AM

opaqueluminosity: 'Mankind is supposedly the most highly developed species on the planet, yet is surprisingly unsuited and ill-equipped for Earth's environment: harmed by sunlight, a strong dislike for naturally occurring foods, ridiculously high rates of chronic disease, and more,'

Holy hell, seriously? Someone actually awarded this mouth-breather a doctorate in a biological science?


Well, I'll just say ny brother has a masters and well probably could get a PHD but um, well you see he's sort of different and not really in a good way..
 
2013-11-15 12:33:27 AM

Brontes: How does he explain the virtual similarity in primate and human DNA?


Primates are not from Earth

"How does he explain the phylogenic relationship between the DNA of all life on earth"

Life on earth is not from Earth!
 
2013-11-15 12:33:44 AM
 
2013-11-15 12:34:34 AM
He really needs to talk with some anthropologists, who actually can answer his points before he makes an academic fool of himself. These were things we covered in class quite well.
 
2013-11-15 12:35:10 AM

Brontes: How does he explain the virtual similarity in primate and human DNA?


You shut you're whore heathen mouth.
/So sorry
//What? It was a joke .
 
2013-11-15 12:36:46 AM
Well, duh. It was explained a long time ago that humans are just failed Pak Protectors.
 
2013-11-15 12:37:28 AM
global3.memecdn.com

"....and the answer is YES!"
 
2013-11-15 12:38:07 AM
I think this was posted to the FarkUs tab when it first opened.
 
2013-11-15 12:39:39 AM

opaqueluminosity: Holy hell, seriously? Someone actually awarded this mouth-breather a doctorate in a biological science?


Google scholar has nothing on him.  Searching for "Ellis Silver" + ecology or ecologist on regular google brings up literally nothing but crap about this book.

This is his twitter, where he calls himself an "ecological consultant", but it's dead and pretty much nothing but spam for "ideas4writers", which owns the ebook publishing service ("i4w2") this book is published from.  I assume it's one of those places with absolutely no restrictions on what they'll publish, as long as you pay the fee.

The Amazon preview for the book doesn't include the "about the author" section, but on the title page it's dedicated to "Dave and Kate", who are the owners of ideas4writers.

Can't find him on facebook, but this is the first time I've been on facebook in about 2 years, so I may just not know how to search properly.


Smells like just another crackpot with a crazy self-published book who happened to hit the free publicity jackpot.
 
2013-11-15 12:40:49 AM

Ivo Shandor: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Apparently this guy made it through 30 years of school without hearing about Occam's Razor.

Or Larry Niven.


Seriously, the human race could use a Pak Protector.
/And if you find a stasis device, leave it alone.
 
2013-11-15 12:41:37 AM
No John you are the aliens.

And then John was a zombie.
 
2013-11-15 12:41:43 AM

buckler: Well, duh. It was explained a long time ago that humans are just failed Pak Protectors.


I type too slow.
 
2013-11-15 12:42:32 AM
HUMANS ARE NOT FROM EARTH: A SCIENTIFIC EVALUATION OF THE EVIDENCE

englishedithelp.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-15 12:42:50 AM
It warms my heart how many other people immediately jump to Niven's Pak protectors when bullshiat like this comes up, despite The Known Universe never being given a proper TV series, movie, miniseries, or anything else other than the books Niven wrote himself, decades ago. Thank you all.
 
2013-11-15 12:43:18 AM

Gyrfalcon: Well, his theory certainly convinced me.

I think reading that just devolved my brain a few thousand years.


Oh, cool, my Uncle and his wife have been wanting me to come out to the West Coast again.

/You're lack of brainpower should limit inhibitions.
//but hey it could be fun, I think I remember a few places out there that may not be closed.
 
2013-11-15 12:44:31 AM
Hey, I kinda DO have a strong dislike for naturally occurring foods!

And I could totally go for another hour each day...

OK, I'm sold.  This guy's a genius.
 
2013-11-15 12:44:49 AM
Or, and this is just a tini-tiny possibility, we evolved from animals that walked on four legs, were covered in fur, and who in turn had evolved from sea life, and all of our parts haven't caught up yet.
 
2013-11-15 12:47:44 AM

J. Frank Parnell: There's lots of better evidence for humans being genetic experiments than any of that.


Oh wow, I hope you're joking.

Chromosomal translocations occur all the time. I have a friend with a translocated chromosome fragment with only barely perceivable resulting issues. Many millions have translocations that would never be noticed because there are no ill effects. And genome rearrangements between related species are a widely studied topic, that show the same sort of random accumulation over time proportional to the distance between common ancestors as any other gene.

The mtDNA is idiocy too. 5,000,000 years is the estimated age of its divergance between humans and chimps, not the "age of chimp mtDNA". 200,000 is just the estimated age of the nearest common ancestor of all humans' mtDNA. Chimps and humans both equally share that same 5,000,000 year relative's mtDNA.

I could go on... but I really hope you're laughing at me for thinking anyone would actually believe this.
 
2013-11-15 12:47:52 AM

dookdookdook: opaqueluminosity: Holy hell, seriously? Someone actually awarded this mouth-breather a doctorate in a biological science?

Google scholar has nothing on him.  Searching for "Ellis Silver" + ecology or ecologist on regular google brings up literally nothing but crap about this book.

This is his twitter, where he calls himself an "ecological consultant", but it's dead and pretty much nothing but spam for "ideas4writers", which owns the ebook publishing service ("i4w2") this book is published from.  I assume it's one of those places with absolutely no restrictions on what they'll publish, as long as you pay the fee.

The Amazon preview for the book doesn't include the "about the author" section, but on the title page it's dedicated to "Dave and Kate", who are the owners of ideas4writers.

Can't find him on facebook, but this is the first time I've been on facebook in about 2 years, so I may just not know how to search properly.


Smells like just another crackpot with a crazy self-published book who happened to hit the free publicity jackpot.


University of Phoenix doesn't require PhD candidates to publish.
 
2013-11-15 12:48:59 AM

HotWingAgenda: It warms my heart how many other people immediately jump to Niven's Pak protectors when bullshiat like this comes up, despite The Known Universe never being given a proper TV series, movie, miniseries, or anything else other than the books Niven wrote himself, decades ago. Thank you all.


When the superhero things burns out, maybe we'll get a Motie or a Man/Kzin production out. Or Ringworld. Or the Draco Inn.
 
2013-11-15 12:50:22 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

WOW, just look at this photo!

I'm convinced.
 
2013-11-15 12:51:17 AM

Brontes: How does he explain the virtual similarity in primate and human DNA?


Why should I explain the article for you?

He does, read it yourself.
 
2013-11-15 12:53:51 AM
Oh, and my dad had a PHD and he's mostly an old drunk crazy person so...doctorates don't impress me.
 
2013-11-15 12:54:11 AM
In his defense, he does say at the end of the article that he intends for the book to spark debate, not be seen as a legitimate scientific study.

Seriously, it's just a fun thing to think about. Stop assuming that everyone who writes this kind of stuff actually believes it wholeheartedly. When did mankind forget how to have fun?
 
2013-11-15 12:58:19 AM

Esroc: In his defense, he does say at the end of the article that he intends for the book to spark debate

make money and bring him attention, not be seen as a legitimate scientific study.

Seriously, it's just a fun thing to think about. Stop assuming that everyone who writes this kind of stuff actually believes it wholeheartedly. When did mankind forget how to have fun?


FTFY
 
2013-11-15 12:58:30 AM
Not exactly a new theory...

www.technovelgy.com
 
2013-11-15 01:00:35 AM
Typical.  Nothing but baseless assumptions.

For all you know, the title is purposefully inflammatory, with the rest of the book being nothing more than run-of-the-mill panspermia.

But none of you even took a second to investigate.  All of you just had to be the first armchair "defender" of science to post.  How else would the readership here know that you're smart and important?

Pitiful.
 
2013-11-15 01:00:42 AM
Evolution doesn't produce the perfect adaptation, only the just-good-enough adaptation.  Walking upright and using hands is a good trade-off for narrowed birth canals.  Light skin in northern latitudes burn, but make vitamin D great.  Dark skin in tropical climes get skin cancer less.  Bad back means you're probably out of shape and not lifting the UPS boxes at your second job correctly, "Dr." Ellis.
 
2013-11-15 01:01:47 AM

Enigmamf: I could go on... but I really hope you're laughing at me for thinking anyone would actually believe this.


img.pr0gramm.com
 
2013-11-15 01:03:07 AM

Esroc: When did mankind forget how to have fun?


When it no longer became interesting to entertain the bullshiat from Erich von Daniken, Zecharia Sitchen, Alan F. Alford, Neil Freer and David Icke.

Seriously, this theory is so old and so boring and so ridiculously lame that it ceases to have any controversial weight or predictive power. It is utterly banal.
 
2013-11-15 01:03:24 AM

Begoggle: Esroc: In his defense, he does say at the end of the article that he intends for the book to spark debate make money and bring him attention, not be seen as a legitimate scientific study.

Seriously, it's just a fun thing to think about. Stop assuming that everyone who writes this kind of stuff actually believes it wholeheartedly. When did mankind forget how to have fun?

FTFY


Oh noes. How dare someone try and make a living.

I hate all of you.
 
2013-11-15 01:03:34 AM
www.cnbc.cmu.edu
 
2013-11-15 01:04:20 AM

Ishkur: This is the book cover?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x493]

The Daily Mail is giving attention to a vanity publishing paranoid schizophrenic who designed his own book cover in MS Paint?


Paul Dacre has lost his mind.
 
2013-11-15 01:04:22 AM
A lot of animals sunburn. Hippos, rhinos, pigs, elephants, whales, light-coated dogs etc. They cover themselves with mud or stay out of the sun.
 
2013-11-15 01:09:04 AM

Triumph: A lot of animals sunburn. Hippos, rhinos, pigs, elephants, whales, light-coated dogs etc. They cover themselves with mud or stay out of the sun.


So...it was an interstellar Ark, is what you're saying.

/I KNEW it
 
2013-11-15 01:09:08 AM
The basic premise is something I noticed many years ago. Humans appear to be far more 'defective' compared to other earth creatures. Various genetic issues, even things considered normal like head hair that will grow longer and longer without intervention seem to be places where something went sideways in human evolution. It's like humans were imperfectly engineered somewhere along the way. Evolution, at least in a survival of the fittest sense would not explain these things.
 
2013-11-15 01:12:35 AM
sunburn - people were generally in the right places for their skin colors until modern transportation methods, darker people in hot climes to avoid the sunburn, lighter people in colder climes to get the necessary vitamin d

bad backs - every living thing has its weaknesses, who cares if the species can survive

pain during labor/maternal death - an acceptable price for getting big brained babies

strong dislike for naturally occurring foods - like the sunburn, our tastes were well suited for what was available until modern technology

high rates of chronic disease - all living things have ridiculously high mortality rates except human with modern technology, lots of chronic disease is because of modern technology, and I don't think evolution cares much if Grandpa dies at 50 or 70, if he's a grandpa he's done what he needs to do

violence - does he have no farking clue about the animal kingdom

always ill - again same as the whole animal kingdom
 
2013-11-15 01:13:12 AM
While this guy's a nut, it is still a big question, just why do we share so much of the same blueprints as a lot of other organisms on the planet but are so vastly different in behavior, intelligence, and complexity than all other life on this planet.
 
2013-11-15 01:13:15 AM
So, you could buy his book or look at the image below. Your choice.

cache.spreadshirt.com
 
2013-11-15 01:14:38 AM

Aquapope: Evolution doesn't produce the perfect adaptation, only the just-good-enough adaptation.


Perhaps. But certain things about humans don't have viable trade offs, like not being able to produce vitamin C. Maybe it was too much narrowing of local genetic stocks in various corners of the planet at different times. Something got screwed up somewhere.
 
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