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2013-11-15 12:04:55 AM
Cleveland and Lisa Cox of Liberty Township, north of Cincinnati, were each indicted Wednesday on a misdemeanor count of nonsupport of dependents.

This should result in a hell of a lot more than a misdemeanor.
 
2013-11-15 12:08:28 AM
Ironic tag missing?

You can put a kid up for adoption at any age. It's the parents' right, it's the kid's right.
 
2013-11-15 12:20:43 AM
Sounds like he's a real prick if they're only offloading him and not his siblings.

Besides, they didn't drop him in a field or put him in a box to Abu Dhabi, they turned him over to CPS. What's "reckless" about that?
 
2013-11-15 01:01:37 AM
See?

/That extended warranty plan CAN be worth the money
 
2013-11-15 01:45:28 AM
and sadly, no matter what happens in this case, the kid is already going to be farked up for life.

I wish the human race had a collective dick, so I could kick it.
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2013-11-15 06:49:07 AM
TFA"These children don't have a return-to-sender stamp emblazoned on their forehead."

Oh, so it's just a matter of postage?
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2013-11-15 06:50:21 AM
Children are a gift from god.

This one's being re-re-gifted.
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2013-11-15 06:51:24 AM
Children should be seen and not heard.

They just don't want to see him either.
 
2013-11-15 06:51:46 AM
They HAD the receipt, what's the big deal?
 
2013-11-15 06:52:32 AM
Ahhh.. Cinci... ALWAYS the worst Ohio has to offer.
 
2013-11-15 06:53:04 AM
Can you imagine being one of the other kids?  Better not fark up, or we might go back like Johnny!
 
2013-11-15 06:54:38 AM

log_jammin: and sadly, no matter what happens in this case, the kid is already going to be farked up for life.

I wish the human race had a collective dick, so I could kick it.


He's apparently already farked up. This will just push him into cereal killer territory.
 
2013-11-15 06:55:11 AM
I've seen at least a dozen couples have babies, enjoy playing "super duper fun parent" for about seven or eight years, then decide it is too much. They don't dump the kids, though. They just disconnect and let the little monsters' momentum do the work.

In corporate America it is called, "quitting in your chair."

All people who want "a baby" should be forced to care for a nine year old for one month, one month. We would see a world population of five billion by 2055.
 
2013-11-15 06:58:09 AM
Sounds like somebody got a strong-willed child, and only wanted compliant kids.  Compliant kids make life easy in childhood, but puberty becomes hell because they get easily led by peers.  Strong-willed kids are survivors, don't suffer fools easily, and make childhood full of trips to the ER.  By the time puberty rolls around, they are usually the ones your root for.

Send me the kid, a 9 year old with anger issues keeps you on your toes.
 
2013-11-15 07:01:10 AM

Infobahn: Can you imagine being one of the other kids?  Better not fark up, or we might go back like Johnny!


Depends on how much money the parents make. From what I've heard, those parents are on the hook for child support for the kid until he's 18, unless someone else adopts him, of course. Those other kids could be silently plotting, right now, with the old "pretty nice house you got here. Be a shame if the county seized it to pay for my care" threat held in reserve, for the times it really matters to them. Like they're not getting their way or something. I'm pretty sure all kids are evil geniuses in their own special way.
 
2013-11-15 07:01:39 AM
Wait, wait, wait. My wife's pregnant. You, you can't give them back?
 
2013-11-15 07:02:14 AM
As a society, we have increasingly shifted responsibility for bringing up children from the parents to the state.  This couple is simply asking the state to take over completely.  It's the direction we're headed anyway; they're just ahead of their time.
 
2013-11-15 07:02:58 AM

August11: I've seen at least a dozen couples have babies, enjoy playing "super duper fun parent" for about seven or eight years, then decide it is too much. They don't dump the kids, though. They just disconnect and let the little monsters' momentum do the work.

In corporate America it is called, "quitting in your chair."

All people who want "a baby" should be forced to care for a nine year old for one month, one month. We would see a world population of five billion by 2055.


Better idea: Make potential parents care for a kid going through puberty for one month.

Parents will learn the use of the phrase "Put your pecker back in your pants!" and the proper use of pot in order to keep your sanity. Sleepless nights with a newborn are nothing compared to a teenager with a pizza face and raging hormones who wants to stick his dick in every hole.

/Or so I'm told
//No kids
///Gay, so I don't have to worry about accidents
 
2013-11-15 07:03:27 AM

Schmerd1948: Wait, wait, wait. My wife's pregnant. You, you can't give them back?


You could always fake your own death
 
2013-11-15 07:05:28 AM

Mr. Right: As a society, we have increasingly shifted responsibility for bringing up children from the parents to the state.  This couple is simply asking the state to take over completely.  It's the direction we're headed anyway; they're just ahead of their time.


that's what happens when we live in a country that requires both parents to hold down full time jobs just to make ends meet, while a ceo and the top execs get bonus and a golden parachute when they tank the company.
 
2013-11-15 07:07:51 AM

GBB: TFA:  "These children don't have a return-to-sender stamp emblazoned on their forehead."

Oh, so it's just a matter of postage?


I have zero sympathy for these parents, but that quote was from the grandstanding prosecutor. He needs to be taken out back, severely beaten and turned out of office. Prosecutors are a necessary evil. Grandstanding prosecutors are a cancer.

The kid had other half brothers and sisters, and I'll bet the whole family treated him shabbily. I hope he gets a better family out of this.
 
2013-11-15 07:09:27 AM

Mentalpatient87: They HAD the receipt, what's the big deal?


They didn't keep the original packaging.
 
2013-11-15 07:14:47 AM

Mr. Right: As a society, we have increasingly shifted responsibility for bringing up children from the parents to the state.  This couple is simply asking the state to take over completely.  It's the direction we're headed anyway; they're just ahead of their time.


There is some truth in this statement.
 
2013-11-15 07:15:07 AM
Thanks Obamacare!
 
2013-11-15 07:15:22 AM

maram500: August11: I've seen at least a dozen couples have babies, enjoy playing "super duper fun parent" for about seven or eight years, then decide it is too much. They don't dump the kids, though. They just disconnect and let the little monsters' momentum do the work.

In corporate America it is called, "quitting in your chair."

All people who want "a baby" should be forced to care for a nine year old for one month, one month. We would see a world population of five billion by 2055.

Better idea: Make potential parents care for a kid going through puberty for one month.

Parents will learn the use of the phrase "Put your pecker back in your pants!" and the proper use of pot in order to keep your sanity. Sleepless nights with a newborn are nothing compared to a teenager with a pizza face and raging hormones who wants to stick his dick in every hole.

/Or so I'm told
//No kids
///Gay, so I don't have to worry about accidents


You don't remember?!
 
2013-11-15 07:15:51 AM
They've had him since infancy? Then they need to take a long, hard look at their parenting skills. This is not the same thing as a foreign adoption where the child sat in an orphanage and stared at the wall for four or five years, and is now incapable of attachment with other humans.

Yes, rarely a child will be born with issues so severe that the best parenting can not overcome them, but this is rare. And this quote "... the parents said that the boy has aggressive behaviors and would not agree to get help."
makes me believe strongly that this is not the case here. WTF? He's nine. He doesn't have a choice to agree or disagree. You get him help. The end.
 
2013-11-15 07:20:23 AM

Gig103: Sounds like he's a real prick if they're only offloading him and not his siblings.

Besides, they didn't drop him in a field or put him in a box to Abu Dhabi, they turned him over to CPS. What's "reckless" about that?


The reason these people did that is because the police were called to the house and the 9-year-old became irate, with law enforcement present, threatening to kill everybody in the house with a knife.  They have other children, and I don't really blame them.  Would you keep something like that in your house?  I'd get rid of it, if I could.

If someone calls for a citation about these facts, I will be checking back and I will give you one.
 
2013-11-15 07:21:43 AM

Weidermeijer: Ahhh.. Cinci... ALWAYS the worst Ohio has to offer.


Apparently, you've never heard of Cleveland.
 
2013-11-15 07:25:19 AM

abhorrent1: log_jammin: and sadly, no matter what happens in this case, the kid is already going to be farked up for life.

I wish the human race had a collective dick, so I could kick it.

He's apparently already farked up. This will just push him into cereal killer territory.


You misspelled "uiovbfdhionwewrcebyu".

/I'm helping!
 
2013-11-15 07:26:10 AM
I don't know why they didn't just use the internet.  I saw a news story recently and since adoption is so difficult and there is so much paperwork and cost, there is a booming underground adoption industry.

They interviewed one kid who is now in an orphanage who got sent to some widow of a pedophile for home schooling.  At least her molester husband was already dead, but she was having difficulty adopting through legal avenues.

And of course, they called it a "group home" instead of an orphanage.  I fail to see any difference.
 
2013-11-15 07:27:38 AM

Cold_Sassy: Gig103: Sounds like he's a real prick if they're only offloading him and not his siblings.

Besides, they didn't drop him in a field or put him in a box to Abu Dhabi, they turned him over to CPS. What's "reckless" about that?

The reason these people did that is because the police were called to the house and the 9-year-old became irate, with law enforcement present, threatening to kill everybody in the house with a knife.  They have other children, and I don't really blame them.  Would you keep something like that in your house?  I'd get rid of it, if I could.

If someone calls for a citation about these facts, I will be checking back and I will give you one.


No, I would not keep something like that in my house. Also, if you do have a link to that other bit of info handy, I would love to have it, please.
 
2013-11-15 07:30:34 AM

gfid: I don't know why they didn't just use the internet.  I saw a news story recently and since adoption is so difficult and there is so much paperwork and cost, there is a booming underground adoption industry.

They interviewed one kid who is now in an orphanage who got sent to some widow of a pedophile for home schooling.  At least her molester husband was already dead, but she was having difficulty adopting through legal avenues.

And of course, they called it a "group home" instead of an orphanage.  I fail to see any difference.


Yeah, this underground adoption industry is prime shopping grounds for pedos. The article fark posted interviewed several kids who had ended up with sick farks.

At least these "parents" dropped off their kid with county workers.
 
2013-11-15 07:32:31 AM

log_jammin: Mr. Right: As a society, we have increasingly shifted responsibility for bringing up children from the parents to the state.  This couple is simply asking the state to take over completely.  It's the direction we're headed anyway; they're just ahead of their time.

that's what happens when we live in a country that requires both parents to hold down full time jobs just to make ends meet, while a ceo and the top execs get bonus and a golden parachute when they tank the company.


Corporate CEOs don't pass legislation or write regulations that increase the cost of everything in our economy.  They just pass those costs on and, surprise! surprise!, the greatest burden of those costs is on lower and middle class folks.  Corporations just get to take advantage of the fact that a 10% net is more on a $20 item than it is on a $5 item.

Besides that, I know plenty of middle class couples that opt out of the notion of a "buy now, pay later" economy and raise a family on one middle class income.  It's not easy but it is anything but impossible.

The biggest problem with your argument, however, is that this article indicates the parents in question are probably upper middle class.  They could probably even afford counseling for the kid.  But we've been conditioned to believe that parents should never have to pay for a child's mental health issues.  That is the responsibility of the state.  So I stand by my point:  this couple is merely bringing the increasingly intrusive role of the state to its ultimate conclusion:  he's all yours!
 
2013-11-15 07:41:31 AM
August11: All people who want "a baby" should be forced to care for a nine year old for one month, one month. We would see a world population of five billion by 2055.

Can I loan out my 9 year old step son?  Seriously, where do I sign up for this program?
 
2013-11-15 07:48:05 AM

Gig103: Sounds like he's a real prick if they're only offloading him and not his siblings.

Besides, they didn't drop him in a field or put him in a box to Abu Dhabi, they turned him over to CPS. What's "reckless" about that?


That's what I don't get either. It's not like they just dumped him off somewhere or went away and left him alone.
 
2013-11-15 07:53:06 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Cold_Sassy: Gig103: Sounds like he's a real prick if they're only offloading him and not his siblings.

Besides, they didn't drop him in a field or put him in a box to Abu Dhabi, they turned him over to CPS. What's "reckless" about that?

The reason these people did that is because the police were called to the house and the 9-year-old became irate, with law enforcement present, threatening to kill everybody in the house with a knife.  They have other children, and I don't really blame them.  Would you keep something like that in your house?  I'd get rid of it, if I could.

If someone calls for a citation about these facts, I will be checking back and I will give you one.

No, I would not keep something like that in my house. Also, if you do have a link to that other bit of info handy, I would love to have it, please.


Here it is:  http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/butler-county/parents-of-abandone d -boy-he-threatened-to-kill-everyone/-/13601510/22979214/-/rsrjru/-/ind ex.html?absolute=true
 
2013-11-15 07:55:20 AM
6'5 foster kid wants some time alone with the couple

gfid
a group home is vastly different than an orphanage
 
2013-11-15 07:56:15 AM

cherryl taggart: Sounds like somebody got a strong-willed child, and only wanted compliant kids.  Compliant kids make life easy in childhood, but puberty becomes hell because they get easily led by peers.  Strong-willed kids are survivors, don't suffer fools easily, and make childhood full of trips to the ER.  By the time puberty rolls around, they are usually the ones your root for.

Send me the kid, a 9 year old with anger issues keeps you on your toes.


Meh, I guess I agree with your general sentiment that these folks need to suck it up, but I scoff at your politically correct euphemisms.

They didn't want a "compliant" child, they wanted a normal child.

And the kid in question isn't "strong willed", he's a "pain in the ass".
 
2013-11-15 07:59:19 AM
Who names their kid Adolf?
 
2013-11-15 08:00:05 AM

abhorrent1: He's apparently already farked up. This will just push him into cereal killer territory.


upload.wikimedia.org

County Prosecutor Michael Gmoser

Gmoser the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms.
 
2013-11-15 08:04:16 AM
You know how I know that our country really does not care very much about children?

County Prosecutor Michael Gmoser said Thursday that he doesn't usually seek indictments in misdemeanor cases but views this as "reckless" abandonment.
 ...
A Tennessee woman who ended her adoption of a 7-year-old Russian boy by putting him on a plane to Moscow by himself in 2010 lost her bid this year to keep from paying $150,000 in child support. Criminal charges were not filed against the woman, but the Seattle-based adoption agency sued her for support. She had sent a note with the boy saying he had violent behavior problems and she no longer wanted to be his mother.
 
2013-11-15 08:15:15 AM

Cold_Sassy: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Cold_Sassy: Gig103: Sounds like he's a real prick if they're only offloading him and not his siblings.

Besides, they didn't drop him in a field or put him in a box to Abu Dhabi, they turned him over to CPS. What's "reckless" about that?

The reason these people did that is because the police were called to the house and the 9-year-old became irate, with law enforcement present, threatening to kill everybody in the house with a knife.  They have other children, and I don't really blame them.  Would you keep something like that in your house?  I'd get rid of it, if I could.

If someone calls for a citation about these facts, I will be checking back and I will give you one.

No, I would not keep something like that in my house. Also, if you do have a link to that other bit of info handy, I would love to have it, please.

Here it is:  http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/butler-county/parents-of-abandone d -boy-he-threatened-to-kill-everyone/-/13601510/22979214/-/rsrjru/-/ind ex.html?absolute=true


Thank you!

Wow, already on "advanced" meds for mental health issues and he's still acting out and threatening to kill everyone? That's scary. I don't blame the parents. I would probably have the kid committed and then change my name and MOVE to Lichtenstein or something. I've seen too many horror movies and watched Investigation Discovery too many times to delude myself into thinking that kid isn't going to at least try to Michael Myers up the place for reals some day.
 
2013-11-15 08:20:08 AM
Kid is a misbehaving prick

Parents punish him, CPS takes ALL their kids and parents do jail time

Parents ditch kid with CPS. Parents keep their kids and 'may' get a fine

Seems like choosing the lesser of two evils.
 
2013-11-15 08:20:20 AM

abhorrent1: Schmerd1948: Wait, wait, wait. My wife's pregnant. You, you can't give them back?

You could always fake your own death


Falling out of moving aircraft is all the rage these days.
 
2013-11-15 08:21:14 AM

hitlersbrain: You know how I know that our country really does not care very much about children


Yes. Let's incarcerate more people. That way, when they decide that they have a problem with raising the kid, they will simply lock him a dog kennel in the basement instead of turning the child over to CPS. No one thinks these folks deserve a parent of the year award, but do you think the kid will be better off in the long run with parents who have so little regard for him that they cast him aside after 9 years? On balance, I would bet the kid is better of now than he would be if the parents continued to resent his presence in their home for the next 9 years. It's a sad situation, but making it a jailable offense would likely cause more harm than good.
 
2013-11-15 08:23:55 AM
I guess occasionally it does make sense to buy the extended warranty.
 
2013-11-15 08:31:20 AM
On a more positive note, November is National Adoption month, with the 23rd being http://www.nationaladoptionday.org/ National Adoption Day

/celebrating our 1st adoption day anniversary today
//getting a kick
 
2013-11-15 08:33:37 AM
Here's what I'm reading between the lines, kid is too unwell psychologically to keep safely at home. Parents are unwilling to bankrupt themselves to pay for inpatient treatment that might not do any good other than removing the risk to the rest of the family. State cannot allow parents to simply abandon their kids, they have a financial responsibility. Just as a deadbeat mom or dad can't just say 'Well, I don't want them any more so I'm not paying support, I'm not their parent now', these parents can't either. They have a legal obligation to their child to provide financial support.

shiat situation all around, and I'm unwilling to condemn anyone without knowing all the facts. I seriously doubt it's a case of someone being bored with a kid, or not wanting to deal with a slightly imperfect child.

And not all mental health problems respond to medication. Even clinical depression doesn't always respond to treatment, let alone more serious problems. And these problems are not caused by bad parenting, though they can be worsened by it. Though I would caution to say that the dynamics of having a mentally ill child cause stress within the family that creates a less than ideal atmosphere for *everyone*, though the same is true in dealing with any adversity...sometimes it's an issue not of parents being shiatty parents, but parents dealing with horrific stresses and problems the best they can.

Regardless, poor kid. =\
 
2013-11-15 08:35:52 AM

SDRR: abhorrent1: Schmerd1948: Wait, wait, wait. My wife's pregnant. You, you can't give them back?

You could always fake your own death

Falling out of moving aircraft is all the rage these days.


I hear blindfolded cliff diving is in.
 
2013-11-15 08:39:34 AM

skeeterjennings: Who names their kid Adolf?


Dude for real. That may be the attorney, but I got to "Adolf Olivas" and just stopped. Unless lil Adolf is over the age of 72, his parents are some of the worst farkers around.

Yeesh.
 
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