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2013-11-15 07:01:14 AM  
If Blacks would start addressing the problems in their community, instead of blaming every problem on white folks, you won't have baseball teams, or everything else, moving out of black areas into white areas

And, the White Guilt Liberals who pander do not help, either.  There is no group of dumber buttfarks than White Guilt Liberals.  You're not helping

Time for folks to grow up.  Get a grip on reality
 
2013-11-15 07:11:39 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: If Blacks would start addressing the problems in their community, instead of blaming every problem on white folks, you won't have baseball teams, or everything else, moving out of black areas into white areas

And, the White Guilt Liberals who pander do not help, either.  There is no group of dumber buttfarks than White Guilt Liberals.  You're not helping

Time for folks to grow up.  Get a grip on reality


So in your backhanded racist way, you are admitting that the Braves decision is based on race?  Got it.
 
2013-11-15 07:13:58 AM  

God_Almighty_Himself: That's hardly the government's fault.


/facepalm

I'm just going to leave you alone to your fantasy world because you're a True Believer.
 
2013-11-15 07:16:04 AM  

dkendr: The area where Turner Field is now has come to be called "East Atlanta Village," and it's the site of the biggest gentrification Atlanta has seen since teh gheys colonized Midtown.


Yeah, that's like three treacherous miles away. I don't know where you came up with this shiat, but it isn't close. EAV and Grant Park, the neighborhoods whose gentrification will ostensibly spread into this Turner Field area, are just a bunch of white people getting their cars busted into four times a year.
 
2013-11-15 07:47:51 AM  
I won't be going to anymore Braves games unless they put in some decent public transportation to the new stadium.  It's utter crap that they would decide to move it there.

Racist or not why in the world would I want to drive in that horrible traffic?!
 
2013-11-15 08:16:08 AM  
Well, let's see...the Marlins decided to build their stadium in Little Havana instead of moving it further North into Broward or Palm Beach county.

That seemed to work out real well for them.
 
2013-11-15 08:36:19 AM  
Not surprised in the least.

Our society now provides us so much leisure time that we have little to do but dissect how horrible our society is.  Or schedule infinite activities for our children.  Or fill up website after website with inane social commentary.
 
2013-11-15 08:46:52 AM  
The decision to allow people to continue living in Georgia after 1864 was racist.
 
2013-11-15 09:21:56 AM  
The only color that matters is green
 
2013-11-15 09:32:41 AM  

macadamnut: The decision to allow people to continue living in Georgia after 1864 was racist.


Hey, we tried. We sent Sherman. They just rebuilt.
 
2013-11-15 10:28:26 AM  

dr_blasto: cman: Let me say something else, too

If this incident can't even open your eyes to the racist moral panic then I am afraid you are a lost soul

I don't even know what this means.

I can say, the blackmail scams by major league sports wherein they manage to claw money out of taxpayers who - eagerly - throw that cash at the teams is funny. I've read about plenty of splits (stadium costs) where the split was 50-50. 50% taxpayer funded, 50% funded with money the team was given by municipalities through outright cash handoffs, tax breaks and other similar grifts.


What irks me is that teams really have no leverage. What should happen:

Team: Give us hundreds of millions in cash, incentives, and tax breaks or we go elsewhere
City/State: Go ahead. All the other TV markets are taken.
Team: But...but...
 
2013-11-15 10:54:43 AM  
White Sox fan here. I think the fact that the South Siders are located on (surprise) the South Side scares away some of the tourists. Of course the tourists would rather see a game at Wrigley regardless so that point may be moot. But I would be sad if the White Sox moved out of Bridgeport (technically they're in the Armour Square neighborhood but no one counts that). Bridgeport is, in my opinion, one of the most awesome and low key areas in Chicago. And being a south side neighborhood, many people are surprised that Bridgeport isn't a black neighborhood, but more of a mix between hispanic and old school Irish and Polish. Of course to the east of the stadium is Bronzeville. And although that neighborhood (which is majority black, hence the name) is improving, it still a little sketchy.
I dunno. Maybe it's because I'm a Sox fan, or maybe it's because I'm actually from Chicago. But I prefer Bridgeport to that garbage that is Wrigleyville.

What were we talking about again?
 
2013-11-15 11:31:46 AM  
Why does it have to be about race?  Can't a money grab just be a money grab?  Why bring race into the picture when this is a clear cut example of "extorting money from the county to get a pretty new stadium?"

fatalvenom: Well, let's see...the Marlins decided to build their stadium in Little Havana instead of moving it further North into Broward or Palm Beach county.

That seemed to work out real well for them.


Miami's problem is that the owner decided to sell off the team in the offseason and try to piss off the fans as much as possible.  Moving the stadium into Palm Beach wouldn't help when even Jeb Bush is making public statements biatching about Loria.  (And yet, their attendance was still on par with both AL wildcard teams).
 
2013-11-15 12:12:42 PM  

deadsanta: Still, when you are talking about gutting the income of a county that is 90% black and relocating to one that is 40% black, you will raise eyebrows. Oh and it's Georgia, so yeah, them eyebrows are headed skyward now...


Your number are not even close to accurate and I know its hard to believe but even at the height of the race riots there was very little happening in georgia, even Oprahs famous racist forsyth county was bullshiat, it was one 80 year old farmer being a dick.

Dawg47: Yeah, that's like three treacherous miles away. I don't know where you came up with this shiat, but it isn't close. EAV and Grant Park, the neighborhoods whose gentrification will ostensibly spread into this Turner Field area, are just a bunch of white people getting their cars busted into four times a year.


I love people saying that the neighborhood is so much better the past few years when its still one of the highest crime rates in the city and if you are caught near there at night you better be a cop or running. I also had to warn a few german tourists from being stuck down at MLK jrs birth place park too late, its ok during the day but when the federal park security goes home it gets sketchy. Europeans have no clue and why they get mugged so often.

mrmaster: Racist or not why in the world would I want to drive in that horrible traffic?!


So you basically made everyone who lived on the north sides argument for them, congratulations. It takes us almost two hours to get down there for a game, the new place will only take around 45 mins max.
 
2013-11-15 01:56:55 PM  
I was curious about something. How does it work with season ticket holders? I know that Minor League and Major League aren't going to be the same, but I have season tickets to the Las Vegas 51's (who are also moving into a new stadium soon). Every season, I have the option to buy season tickets for the same seats as last year, but there's no Personal Seat License, or anything like that. What happens if there is a PSL in place? Do you get to choose where your seats are in the new stadium? Does the team just assign you a similar seat to the one you had? Do they re-negotiate the PSL? Cancel it? Does it automatically expire if the team moves?...and, if so, does the old season ticket holder get first "dibs" on seating at the new stadium?
 
2013-11-15 02:05:07 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I was curious about something. How does it work with season ticket holders? I know that Minor League and Major League aren't going to be the same, but I have season tickets to the Las Vegas 51's (who are also moving into a new stadium soon). Every season, I have the option to buy season tickets for the same seats as last year, but there's no Personal Seat License, or anything like that. What happens if there is a PSL in place? Do you get to choose where your seats are in the new stadium? Does the team just assign you a similar seat to the one you had? Do they re-negotiate the PSL? Cancel it? Does it automatically expire if the team moves?...and, if so, does the old season ticket holder get first "dibs" on seating at the new stadium?


You get close as possible to your old seats, then you can refuse them and choose new seats.

I dont think the old place has PSLs but the new place might and I would assume the old holder has the right for seats since they would rather have a long term ticket holder than a newer one who may leave in a year.
 
2013-11-15 02:08:20 PM  
The Wal Mart on Cobb Parkway near that stadium makes overhead announcements in Spanish.

There is mass transit - it is CCT.  There is also a planned Bus Rapid Transit system going on Cobb Parkway in the next few years.

Hopefully they will add an entrance ramp to the new HOV lanes going up I-75.

As a Cobb resident, I'll probably go to more games.  OTOH, Tim Lee will probably be chased out of town after all is said and done.

Fulton County has had a dysfunctional government for decades.  They probably still have the Fulton County Stadium Commission up and running.  They can't even handle voter rolls decently.
 
2013-11-15 02:17:25 PM  

cman: Oh FFS...

THE BRAVES MOVED BECAUSE ATLANTA REFUSED TO GIVE IN TO THEIR shiatTY DEMANDS

Its not about race; its about money, and a BIG ASS stadium.


The new stadium is supposed to seat fewer people than Turner Field.
 
2013-11-15 02:25:53 PM  

ClintBartonWannabe: cman: Oh FFS...

THE BRAVES MOVED BECAUSE ATLANTA REFUSED TO GIVE IN TO THEIR shiatTY DEMANDS

Its not about race; its about money, and a BIG ASS stadium.

The new stadium is supposed to seat fewer people than Turner Field.


You're missing the point...It's not a "BIG ASS stadium" as in a stadium that is big-ass. It's a stadium that is built for big asses. Big, American, fat, southern-fried, cottage-cheese asses.
 
2013-11-15 03:10:36 PM  

NicktheSmoker: WTF Indeed: Braves "fans" don't go to games anyway, no matter their skin color or preferred bigotries.

Oh shut up.  We show up just as much as Yankees fans do.  But no one wants to write about that.


No...just, no. Having lived here for the last 5 years, the one thing I have learned is that The Braves are an afterthought until the playoffs. They can't even fill the stadium on opening day. None of the games I have been to have had more than 10-12k people. Unless it is a college football game, Atlantans really don't care.
 
2013-11-15 04:13:24 PM  

NicktheSmoker: Gonz: macadamnut: The decision to allow people to continue living in Georgia after 1864 was racist.

Hey, we tried. We sent Sherman. They just rebuilt.

Whats with this "we" crap you just wrote. I'd put money on you never having done jack except sit in your mom's basement making "witty" remarks.


You're right. I did not actively participate in the "Heat a Peach" tour.

It's called the "royal we". Did you go to school in Georgia or something?
 
2013-11-15 05:27:26 PM  

cman: Many are seeing racism in things that normal people wouldn't consider racist.

This is a good example of this.

They see racism because thats what they want or expect to see.


The team move itself?  Not racist. Racial undertones abound, but overwhelmingly a business/politics/greased-palms decision.

The county leader's comment about "as long as it doesn't involve rail bringing those people up from the city".   That (taken in the context of MARTA history) pretty much was.
 
2013-11-15 05:37:43 PM  
Fun fact: black Americans don't, very generally, care about baseball as much as they do other sports. Despite a ton of outreach by the MLB, the black/Afircan-American involvement in baseball, in regards to fans and players, is shockingly low.

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Baseball-struggles-to-reach-bla ck -America-4360778.php

So, with that in mind, let's assume there's some research behind this statement (I bolded the part that matters most, not the part the article did):

"It is absolutely necessary the solution is all about moving cars in and around Cobb and surrounding counties from our north and east where most Braves fans travel from, and not moving people into Cobb by rail from Atlanta," Dendy said in a statement to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

If there's truth to that, which I'm willing to believe based on the demographics of baseball, then yeah, putting your stadium closer to your true fan base is not a racist act, it's a sane one, and recognizing that building a multi-million dollar rail line from the urban center might be a waste is probably just a business recognizing who its consumers are.
 
2013-11-15 05:49:24 PM  

ClintBartonWannabe: The new stadium is supposed to seat fewer people than Turner Field.


Turner was already one of the larger stadiums in the league, it doesnt need to be that large to hold 55K in a stadium that wasnt built for baseball, its still gonna be large for amenities with the team having more say in how it goes.
 
2013-11-15 05:59:33 PM  

Scrotastic Method: and recognizing that building a multi-million dollar rail line from the urban center might be a waste is probably just a business recognizing who its consumers are.


Not saying the cost-benefit adds up, but MARTA to this stadium (and inevitable shopping/hotel schlock to surround it) would go one place important besides the 'urban center'.  It would also go to Hartsfield.  I've gone to games in several cities via public transport (usually while in the city for some other reason like a conference).  I'm not going out of my way to rent a car to then pay $15 to then park in the burbs to go to a damned game.
 
2013-11-15 06:35:58 PM  
1.  "Braves" is racist name
2.  The Braves made a decision.
3.  Therefore, a racist decision was made
 
2013-11-16 01:36:26 AM  
Pull it up on google maps...looks stabby...even New York teams play in another state
 
2013-11-16 08:38:46 AM  

tbhouston: Pull it up on google maps...looks stabby...even New York teams play in another state


the Bronx and Queens are now different states?
 
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