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2013-11-14 04:34:38 PM  
Good question.
 
2013-11-14 04:40:48 PM  

Nabb1: Good question.


No, no it's not. The executive branch has always had discretion in how it enforces laws.
 
2013-11-14 04:41:08 PM  
newsbusters.org
 
2013-11-14 04:42:03 PM  
Wait... We're worried about the legalities NOW?
That horse left the barn, died, and wound up at the glue factory so long ago that its currently on a roll of 32 cent stamps.
 
2013-11-14 04:42:38 PM  
republicans: OBAMACARE IS BROKEN
obama: ok, i'll fix it
republicans: YOU CAN'T DO THAT
 
2013-11-14 04:43:48 PM  

way south: Wait... We're worried about the legalities NOW?
That horse left the barn, died, and wound up at the glue factory so long ago that its currently on a roll of 32 cent stamps.


lolwut?

the law was passed by congress, signed by the president, declared constitutional by the supreme court and validated by an election. it doesn't get any more legal than that.
 
2013-11-14 04:46:06 PM  
Much of the ACA is governed by federal regulations, so DUH

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-14 04:46:34 PM  

FlashHarry: republicans: OBAMACARE IS BROKEN
obama: ok, i'll fix it
republicans: YOU CAN'T DO THAT


Why is Obama encouraging insurance companies to offer shiatty, overpriced insurance plans to people.  Obama cares more about upholding his image/honesty than the health and welfare of Americans.

/am I doing it right?
 
2013-11-14 04:46:47 PM  
The law states that the plans have to meet certain minimum requirements. Hell, maybe Obama is just trolling the GOP again. Getting them worked up into a frothy pool of drool and spittle. Otherwise, what is the benefit of caving on those substandard plans?

As was said in the other thread, he would have been better off just saying F*ck it, let's go single payer and dump the insurance companies altogether.
 
2013-11-14 04:47:09 PM  
We already did this in the other thread, mods. C'mon, do you have an ACA thread quota to hit every day?
 
2013-11-14 04:47:29 PM  
Nothing would make me happier than Howard Dean punctuating everyday observations and prosaic statements with the Dean Scream. Good job submitter.
 
2013-11-14 04:47:38 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Nabb1: Good question.

No, no it's not. The executive branch has always had discretion in how it enforces laws.


I'm a bit preoccupied with work, so I haven't had a chance to follow up.  Would this move by the Administration be something akin to when a police officer decides to look the other way?  A casual "we won't enforce this for another year" type of thing, rather than a broad rule change?

Would like to dive deeper into understanding what's going on, but this pile of papers on my desk....
 
2013-11-14 04:47:41 PM  

FlashHarry: way south: Wait... We're worried about the legalities NOW?
That horse left the barn, died, and wound up at the glue factory so long ago that its currently on a roll of 32 cent stamps.

lolwut?

the law was passed by congress, signed by the president, declared constitutional by the supreme court and validated by an election. it doesn't get any more legal than that.


The legality and Constitutionality of a law is not established just because the Supreme Court has ruled upon it.

See also same-sex marriage and handgun bans.
 
2013-11-14 04:47:49 PM  
weknowmemes.com
 
2013-11-14 04:51:02 PM  

Dimensio: The legality and Constitutionality of a law is not established just because the Supreme Court has ruled upon it.


I wonder which Wiki page that came from
 
2013-11-14 04:52:07 PM  

Dimensio: The legality and Constitutionality of a law is not established just because the Supreme Court has ruled upon it.


well, i'll take RAND PAUL's word over that of the constitution any day!
 
2013-11-14 04:53:25 PM  
I can't believe its taken this long for someone to question whether Obama has the authority to arbitrarily grant privileges and make exceptions to laws.  He's been doing this for a while.  And it came from the former DNC chair of all people.

Last time I check, if the head-of-state can change a law arbitrarily - its not really a "law".  Its more like a "guideline" for dictators.
 
2013-11-14 04:53:48 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Nabb1: Good question.

No, no it's not. The executive branch has always had discretion in how it enforces laws.


The POTUS can selectively enforce laws using an executive waiver (info on it here and here). It has been used extensively by Reagan & Clinton, so there's plenty of precedent.

However, just because it's legal does not make it politically smart. Hyping ObamaCare as landmark legislation - then admitting certain portions are crappy enough to be 'waived' - doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
 
2013-11-14 04:53:50 PM  

Dimensio: The legality and Constitutionality of a law is not established just because the Supreme Court has ruled upon it.


btw, i LOVE this quote: "Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be 'constitutional' does not make it so."

"a couple people."

i believe the word you're searching for, mr. paul is "majority."
 
2013-11-14 04:54:06 PM  

Dimensio: FlashHarry: way south: Wait... We're worried about the legalities NOW?
That horse left the barn, died, and wound up at the glue factory so long ago that its currently on a roll of 32 cent stamps.

lolwut?

the law was passed by congress, signed by the president, declared constitutional by the supreme court and validated by an election. it doesn't get any more legal than that.

The legality and Constitutionality of a law is not established just because the Supreme Court has ruled upon it.

See also same-sex marriage and handgun bans.


What the ever-loving hell are you talkin-....

Oh.

-RAND PAUL
 
2013-11-14 04:54:58 PM  
Apparently it will have to be actually implemented by state insurance commissioners and insurance companies, who are already responding with "Yeah, right."
 
2013-11-14 04:55:53 PM  

Dimensio: FlashHarry: way south: Wait... We're worried about the legalities NOW?
That horse left the barn, died, and wound up at the glue factory so long ago that its currently on a roll of 32 cent stamps.

lolwut?

the law was passed by congress, signed by the president, declared constitutional by the supreme court and validated by an election. it doesn't get any more legal than that.

The legality and Constitutionality of a law is not established just because the Supreme Court has ruled upon it.

See also same-sex marriage and handgun bans.


Yes.  We should listen to an eye doctor rather than the Supreme Court when the question is the constitutionality of laws.  I was also going to set up an appointment for an eye exam with Justice Scalia.
 
2013-11-14 04:56:17 PM  

StandsWithAFist: Hyping ObamaCare as landmark legislation - then admitting certain portions are crappy enough to be 'waived' - doesn't exactly inspire confidence.


i odn't know if it is possible to misinterpret the situation any worse than this
 
2013-11-14 04:56:23 PM  
Oh no subby. This mother farker is settled. S-E-T-T-L-E-D. There was a shutdown and everything cause it was the greatest thing to ever great greatest.
 
2013-11-14 04:57:04 PM  
Obama said "if you like your plan, you can keep it" in 2009.  As per the ACA, any plan in existence before 3/10 would be grandfathered in.  Plans that didn't meet the minimums that started after then have been erased.

So when Obama said it, he was right.  At that time, in 2009, no one had a plan that had to be cancelled.

Now Blue Cross is being investigated for fraudulently leading almost a million customers into believing they couldn't continue on their plans.

Somehow, the story is "OBAMA BAD" and not "insurance companies defrauded almost a million customers."
 
2013-11-14 04:57:11 PM  
Another item to add to the articles of impeachment:

• Theft of credit for killing of OBL from SEAL Team 6
• Eating arugula while in occupancy of the WHITE House
• Eating fancy mustard while in occupancy of the WHITE House
• Murder of a US Ambassador
• The killing of millions of jobs through the passage of communist and fascist bills (at the same time)
• Forgetting his place (unspecified teleprompter usage)
• Unauthorized use of a rain repelling device while standing in the rain
• Forgetting his place (in general)

And now:

• Use of executive authority as enumerated in the US Constitution

WORST PRESIDENT EVER
 
2013-11-14 04:59:03 PM  

Dafatone: Obama said "if you like your plan, you can keep it" in 2009.  As per the ACA, any plan in existence before 3/10 would be grandfathered in.  Plans that didn't meet the minimums that started after then have been erased.

So when Obama said it, he was right.  At that time, in 2009, no one had a plan that had to be cancelled.

Now Blue Cross is being investigated for fraudulently leading almost a million customers into believing they couldn't continue on their plans.

Somehow, the story is "OBAMA BAD" and not "insurance companies defrauded almost a million customers."


you see it is obama's fault that insurance companies deliberately enacted plans post 3/10 that would not meet the ACA standard and furthermore comma
 
2013-11-14 04:59:10 PM  

garron: I can't believe its taken this long for someone to question whether Obama has the authority to arbitrarily grant privileges and make exceptions to laws.  He's been doing this for a while.  And it came from the former DNC chair of all people.

Last time I check, if the head-of-state can change a law arbitrarily - its not really a "law".  Its more like a "guideline" for dictators.


The ACA created a number of guidelines that are enforced by Health and Human Services. HHS has the discretion to take the steps it deems necessary to implement those guidelines.

Really, if Obama was the dictator you guys keep screaming about, well, you wouldn't be screaming about it. Because your head would decorating the spiked fence surrounding the white house, probably next to Rush Limbaugh's. And the rest of you would be in the Potomac.

Seriously, 'dictator' has to be the most overused hyperbolic nonsense in the history of ever
 
2013-11-14 04:59:40 PM  

garron: I can't believe its taken this long for someone to question whether Obama has the authority to arbitrarily grant privileges and make exceptions to laws.  He's been doing this for a while.  And it came from the former DNC chair of all people.

Last time I check, if the head-of-state can change a law arbitrarily - its not really a "law".  Its more like a "guideline" for dictators.



Like, for instance, to pull an example from the air, torture?
 
2013-11-14 05:01:56 PM  

Jackson Herring: StandsWithAFist: Hyping ObamaCare as landmark legislation - then admitting certain portions are crappy enough to be 'waived' - doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

i odn't know if it is possible to misinterpret the situation any worse than this


The thread is still young, give it time.
 
2013-11-14 05:01:57 PM  
Howard Dean sounds concerned.
 
2013-11-14 05:02:03 PM  

Kuroshin: UrukHaiGuyz: Nabb1: Good question.

No, no it's not. The executive branch has always had discretion in how it enforces laws.

I'm a bit preoccupied with work, so I haven't had a chance to follow up.  Would this move by the Administration be something akin to when a police officer decides to look the other way?  A casual "we won't enforce this for another year" type of thing, rather than a broad rule change?

Would like to dive deeper into understanding what's going on, but this pile of papers on my desk....


Exactly, or like selective immigration/drug/whatever-else enforcement.
 
2013-11-14 05:02:13 PM  

Dimensio: FlashHarry: way south: Wait... We're worried about the legalities NOW?
That horse left the barn, died, and wound up at the glue factory so long ago that its currently on a roll of 32 cent stamps.

lolwut?

the law was passed by congress, signed by the president, declared constitutional by the supreme court and validated by an election. it doesn't get any more legal than that.

The legality and Constitutionality of a law is not established just because the Supreme Court has ruled upon it.

See also same-sex marriage and handgun bans.


"We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final." (Rand Paul, R-KY)
 
2013-11-14 05:03:38 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Nabb1: Good question.

No, no it's not. The executive branch has always had discretion in how it enforces laws.


If I remember what I read in the law (yes, I've read parts of it), the administration has leeway in the dates.
 
2013-11-14 05:04:50 PM  
Oh, and I double dog dare the GOP to try and impeach him over this.

No, make it triple dog
 
2013-11-14 05:06:28 PM  

meat0918: If I remember what I read in the law (yes, I've read parts of it), the administration has leeway in the dates.


how is that possible

no one knows what's in the law

best fart.........................fartever
 
2013-11-14 05:06:32 PM  

StandsWithAFist: doesn't exactly inspire confidence.


Why start inspiring confidence for the first time in his administration now?
 
2013-11-14 05:10:30 PM  
I wish Obama was a dictator. Congress is proof that our democracy is horribly broken.
 
2013-11-14 05:11:48 PM  

Jackson Herring: best fart.........................fartever


Nice.
 
2013-11-14 05:13:16 PM  

FlashHarry: way south: Wait... We're worried about the legalities NOW?
That horse left the barn, died, and wound up at the glue factory so long ago that its currently on a roll of 32 cent stamps.

lolwut?

the law was passed by congress, signed by the president, declared constitutional by the supreme court and validated by an election. it doesn't get any more legal than that.


And even after all that the GOP shut down the government to stop it.  Fkn babies.

But it is fun watching all the Republicans act like the give a shiat about people's health care.  They're suddenly so concerned.
 
2013-11-14 05:15:52 PM  

JesusJuice: I wish Obama was a dictator. Congress is proof that our democracy is horribly broken.


If a significant portion of the population is actively fighting to break the system, the system won't work right.

But in time, those douchebags will be minimized and the things they wanted, discarded.
 
2013-11-14 05:18:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Dimensio: The legality and Constitutionality of a law is not established just because the Supreme Court has ruled upon it.

I wonder which Wiki page that came from


One that hasn't been updated
 
2013-11-14 05:20:19 PM  
IT'S THE LAW !! ....sort of

when convenient

sometimes

This thing is as bad as Prohibition.    Let's get rid of it.
 
2013-11-14 05:21:15 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Kuroshin: UrukHaiGuyz: Nabb1: Good question.

No, no it's not. The executive branch has always had discretion in how it enforces laws.

I'm a bit preoccupied with work, so I haven't had a chance to follow up.  Would this move by the Administration be something akin to when a police officer decides to look the other way?  A casual "we won't enforce this for another year" type of thing, rather than a broad rule change?

Would like to dive deeper into understanding what's going on, but this pile of papers on my desk....

Exactly, or like selective immigration/drug/whatever-else enforcement.


Thanksya!
 
2013-11-14 05:25:31 PM  

FlashHarry: republicans: OBAMACARE IS BROKEN
obama: ok, i'll fix it
republicans: YOU CAN'T DO THAT


On his own?  He can't.

So, now he needs the people who he's stomped all over for the last year to help him get him out of a mess of his own making.  He needs them to enact a delay that they were called every name in the book for proposing just six weeks ago.  A delay that he needed to get the website to work, but couldn't figure out a way to get the delay and still blame the Republicans for.

I'm sure they'll get right on that.
 
2013-11-14 05:27:25 PM  
Just curious what would President Obama have to do for some of you to find fault in him? What would be an example?
 
2013-11-14 05:27:45 PM  
Reads TFA. Watches TFV.

Yeap. That's what he said all right.

I'm no closer to understanding why, but I guess knowing that he said that is newsworthy enough.
 
2013-11-14 05:28:00 PM  
Would a better headline be "Old man YEEAAHHs at cloud"?
 
2013-11-14 05:28:44 PM  

Eirik: FlashHarry: republicans: OBAMACARE IS BROKEN
obama: ok, i'll fix it
republicans: YOU CAN'T DO THAT

On his own?  He can't.

So, now he needs the people who he's stomped all over for the last year to help him get him out of a mess of his own making.  He needs them to enact a delay that they were called every name in the book for proposing just six weeks ago.  A delay that he needed to get the website to work, but couldn't figure out a way to get the delay and still blame the Republicans for.

I'm sure they'll get right on that.


Oh wait, you're serious.

It's some nice revision.

First the GOP said, "Repeal it or we kill the world economy".

Then they said "Delay it or we destroy the world economy".

And all the while, the GOP was arguing amongst themselves about whether they should threaten to destroy the world economy over Obamacare or the budget.
 
2013-11-14 05:31:36 PM  

RepublicanTalkingPoints: Another item to add to the articles of impeachment:

• Theft of credit for killing of OBL from SEAL Team 6
• Eating arugula while in occupancy of the WHITE House
• Eating fancy mustard while in occupancy of the WHITE House
• Murder of a US Ambassador
• The killing of millions of jobs through the passage of communist and fascist bills (at the same time)
• Forgetting his place (unspecified teleprompter usage)
• Unauthorized use of a rain repelling device while standing in the rain
• Forgetting his place (in general)

And now:

• Use of executive authority as enumerated in the US Constitution

WORST PRESIDENT EVER


don't forget about "eating crackers like he owns the place"
 
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