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2013-11-14 03:23:03 PM
6 votes:
" But the Christian motivational speaker, hired by the PTA, .."  annnd, done.
2013-11-14 03:36:25 PM
5 votes:
Here's a thought - stop bringing in Christian "motivational speakers" into a public high school, you farking morons!
2013-11-14 03:28:57 PM
5 votes:
"Why did you tell girls to get out of abusive relationships instead of telling guys not to be abusive in the first place?" one student asked.


God, I hate this line of 'reasoning'.

How about this:  "Guys, don't be abusive to girls.  And girls, if your guy IS abusive, don't do a thing to get out of the situation, because you shouldn't have to."
2013-11-14 03:39:03 PM
4 votes:

ikanreed: JohnCarter: Well, one of the butthurt parents has a hyphenated name -  Dr. Jaime Clark-Soles...that is all I need to know about he heloparenting self

Also, the babes do tend to talk too much, dudes do tend to be insensitive.  It is what it is

Nope you got it wrong.  He's a douchebag saying that fitting "traditional" gender roles make you more datable, and that it's women's fault when they get in abusive relationships.   He was so bad the high school kids shot him down.


Yep - that's an important, and positive, point. This wasn't "helicopter parents" or "butthurt activists", but the kids themselves that looked at this farking moron and went, "are you serious?!" At that point, what you have here is someone who thought it would be a good idea to funnel cash to yet another Christian who thought he was "hip."
2013-11-14 03:25:58 PM
4 votes:
Being attractive is the most important thing there is
If you wanna catch the biggest fish in your pond
You have to be as attractive as possible
Make sure to keep your hair spotless and clean
Wash it at least every two weeks
Once every two weeks
And if you see Jonny football hero in the hall
Tell him he played a great game
//Tell him you like his article in the newspaper
2013-11-14 03:59:49 PM
3 votes:

WhyKnot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

Apparently we don't all know it isn't OK to rape or abuse.

You're not very good at this.

I bet it's not the only thing you're not good at.

do we have to teach people not to kill?  do we have to teach people not to assualt strangers?

Sure, some people  (both male and female) don't care what is right or wrong, and will do what pleases them; but the vast majority of people know what is socially acceptable.


Actually, with respect to rape, that isn't true.  Everyone knows that grabbing a woman running down the street, and having sex with her while she screams no is bad and "rape."  Not everyone knows that getting a girl drunk so that she won't put up much of a fight and might quietly let you fumble through her drawers is also rape, and there are plenty of statistics to back this up.

Also, campaigns telling men "Don't be that guy" have been much more successful in reducing rape rates that focusing on the victim.  So, while you might think your ideas make sense, the evidence doesn't back you up.
2013-11-14 03:52:07 PM
3 votes:

WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.


You really believe that all people think it's not ok to rape?  Do a bit of research.  Research date rape, wife rape...men who think that if they buy dinner they're ENTITLED to sex.  Do A Little Research In our nice little minds where all rapes are done by scary men in capes in alleyways, holding knives to innocent women's necks, sure I'll venture to say we all think it's wrong. But in real life, where most rapists are known to their victims, I would say you are WRONG.
2013-11-14 03:36:25 PM
3 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: "Why did you tell girls to get out of abusive relationships instead of telling guys not to be abusive in the first place?" one student asked.

Ehhhh

Why did you tell people to lock their doors instead of telling people to stop stealing?

We can tell people to stop doing shiat, doesn't mean they're going to stop. You can do things to deal with that reality though.


Because by telling them that it's their own fault if they find it impossible to leave (please tell me you don't think that abused women can just say "man, I'm tired of this, i'm leaving and I'm sure you'll leave me alone as a result". ) is counterproductive.

I think it's important to show young women (all women) that there are ways out of abusive relationships, that they can be protected, that their partner's threats of murder can be dealt with, but just throwing your arms up and say "those zany men, we just can't teach them to stop beating women so deal with it" is ridiculous.  Deal with reality but also work to friggin' change it.
2013-11-14 03:26:32 PM
3 votes:

JohnCarter: Well, one of the butthurt parents has a hyphenated name -  Dr. Jaime Clark-Soles...that is all I need to know about he heloparenting self

Also, the babes do tend to talk too much, dudes do tend to be insensitive.  It is what it is


Nope you got it wrong.  He's a douchebag saying that fitting "traditional" gender roles make you more datable, and that it's women's fault when they get in abusive relationships.   He was so bad the high school kids shot him down.
2013-11-14 03:08:53 PM
3 votes:
and if anyone's an expert on who is and isn't "datable", it's this dude:
www.premierproductions.com
2013-11-14 04:46:22 PM
2 votes:

WhyKnot: boyofd: WhyKnot: boyofd: WhyKnot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not.  You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you.  So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape.  Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape.  If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted..

I agree with all of this.   Maybe I am conceptually understanding what is or isn't rape...but then at the same time not carrying forward that definition when thinking of studies of 'rape' and instead thinking about 'forced rape'.


I think that may be the problem.  If you look at the link and quote above, date/acquaintance rape is a much larger portion of the rape pie than is stranger rape.  And much of that problem is an issue of blurred lines of consent, especially where alcohol and drugs are involved.  While you are right that regretting sex after it happens does not make it rape, it is much more likely that a woman who is raped will never report it than that a woman who had a bad sexual experience will later claim it to be rape.  Plus, this is the pseudo-myth that real rapists take advantage of -- if you see a woman who is drunk go off with a man to a private room, the rapist can fit everything that happens thereafter into the "she just regrets it" narrative.  And they do.
2013-11-14 04:34:14 PM
2 votes:
WhyKnot:

I honestly, don't recall seeing previous links, that being said, I am happy to read them and better understand the issue.   I honest have a hard time assume 1/ ...

First, I think, if you are being candid, you are misunderstanding the research.  Almost no one is going to admit to themselves that they are a rapist.  Instead, what they are admitting to are facts that qualify as rape, e.g., "Have you ever had sex with a woman who you knew was too drunk to give meaningful consent?" or something similar.  Men do that all of the time, and they admit to doing it some of the time.  However, they just don't call it "rape."

This looks like it has the source which led to the 8% citation, although the actual study is only named, but not included online.  I will look for others when I have some time.

http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php

I would also point out these statistics from the link which help point out that the largest problem with rape is date rape, which is the type that can be addressed by making sure men understand true consent.  That's why this approach has better chances at success.

 57% of rapes happen on dates. (1)
 75% of the men and 55% of the women involved in acquaintance rapes were drinking or taking drugs just before the attack. (1)
 About 70% of sexual assault survivors reported that they took some form of self-protective action during the crime. The most common technique was to resist by struggling or chase and try to hold the attacker. Of those survivors who took protective action, over half believed it helped the situation, about 1/5 believed that it made the situation worse or simultaneously worse and better. (7)
 84% of rape survivors tried unsuccessfully to reason with the man who raped her. (1)
 55% of gang rapes on college campuses are committed by fraternities, 40% by sports teams, and 5% by others. (15)
 Approximately 40% of sexual assaults take place in the survivor's home. About 20% occur in the home of a friend, neighbor, or relative. 10% occur outside, away from home. About 8% take place in parking garages. (7)
2013-11-14 04:17:05 PM
2 votes:

WhyKnot: boyofd: WhyKnot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

Apparently we don't all know it isn't OK to rape or abuse.

You're not very good at this.

I bet it's not the only thing you're not good at.

do we have to teach people not to kill?  do we have to teach people not to assualt strangers?

Sure, some people  (both male and female) don't care what is right or wrong, and will do what pleases them; but the vast majority of people know what is socially acceptable.

Actually, with respect to rape, that isn't true.  Everyone knows that grabbing a woman running down the street, and having sex with her while she screams no is bad and "rape."   Not everyone knows that getting a girl drunk so that she won't put up much of a fight and might quietly let you fumble through her drawers is also rape, and there are plenty of statistics to back this up.

Also, campaigns telling men "Don't be that guy" have been much more successful in reducing rape rates that focusing on the victim.  So, while you might think your ideas make sense, the evidence doesn't back you up.

If you booze a women so she can't fight back....rape.

if you and a female get boozed and she lets you fumble through her drawers but she later regrets it....not rape.


If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not.  You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you.  So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape.  Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape.  If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted.
2013-11-14 03:57:01 PM
2 votes:

Frank and Beans: Dateable girls put out.


And dateable guys pull out?
2013-11-14 03:42:26 PM
2 votes:

WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.


Apparently we don't all know it isn't OK to rape or abuse.

You're not very good at this.

I bet it's not the only thing you're not good at.
2013-11-14 03:38:04 PM
2 votes:
Oh and ladies, IF you pass the "R U Dateable?" test, this is what you get:

img.gawkerassets.com
2013-11-14 03:35:26 PM
2 votes:
FTFA:
This is an excerpt from Lookadoo's list of rules for being a "dateable" girl:
Dateable girls know how to shut up. They don't monopolize the conversation. They don't tell everyone everything about themselves. They save some for later. They listen more than they gab.
And from his rules for being a "dateable" boy:
Dateable guys know they aren't as sensitive as girls, and that's okay. They know they are stronger, more dangerous, and more adventurous, and that's okay. Dateable guys are real men who aren't afraid to be guys.

More gold!  Lots and lots of gold today!
I'd really like to figure out why the PTA thought it was necessary to give money to someone and pull kids out of class to hear him.  A lecture on being dateable is almost assuredly not the reason.
2013-11-14 03:34:52 PM
2 votes:

Frank and Beans: Dateable girls put out.


Actually, it's the other way around.

Girls who put out are dateable.
2013-11-14 03:33:45 PM
2 votes:
WHAT?!

a "christian motivational speaker" showed up and ran a bunch of stupid bullshiat by our kids?

shocking!

/This snake oil doesn't even work! I'm going to tell everyone! They'll thank me and comment on how smart I am.
2013-11-14 03:30:26 PM
2 votes:
"Why did you tell girls to get out of abusive relationships instead of telling guys not to be abusive in the first place?" one student asked.

Ehhhh

Why did you tell people to lock their doors instead of telling people to stop stealing?

We can tell people to stop doing shiat, doesn't mean they're going to stop. You can do things to deal with that reality though.
2013-11-14 03:29:24 PM
2 votes:
Dateable girls know how to shut up

2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-11-14 09:15:54 PM
1 votes:

Frank and Beans: Dateable girls put out.


That's why I only date the fat ones. Not just "regular fat" either, I'm talking about the really fat ones.

/If they can get around without a mobility scooter and an oxygen tank they're not a sure thing.
//Words to live by.
///A cat is fine, too.
2013-11-14 08:26:42 PM
1 votes:
What's so wrong about telling girls that they don't have to put up with abusive relationships?
2013-11-14 06:38:22 PM
1 votes:
I like Matt Foley the motivational speaker, as many kids actually got the crap together when they realized living in a van down by river is a thing.  I have seen worse, not as bad as this guy, but worse than Matt Foley.  I have a feeling this guy has the big muscle, breaking stuff, screaming guys open for him when he can.  I wonder if he ever worked with the 'I did a lot of drugs and should've died' guys.  I have seen the muscle guys and the should've died guys work together.

I have seen other motivational speakers fall into a category with this guy, but they were much better.  One of them actually said stuff that is useful for anyone.  He said things about loving and respecting the one your with.  It's crazy how that works.

/where can I get my captain obvious license so I can yell at kids and watch them yawn?
2013-11-14 05:26:21 PM
1 votes:

boyofd: WhyKnot: boyofd: WhyKnot: boyofd: WhyKnot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not.  You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you.  So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape.  Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape.  If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted..

I agree with all of this.   Maybe I am conceptually understanding what is or isn't rape...but then at the same time not carrying forward that definition when thinking of studies of 'rape' and instead thinking about 'forced rape'.

I think that may be the problem.  If you look at the link and quote above, date/acquaintance rape is a much larger portion of the rape pie than is stranger rape.  And much of that problem is an issue of blurred lines of consent, especially where alcohol and drugs are involved.  While you are right that regretting sex after it happens does not make it rape, it is much more likely that a woman who is raped will never report it than that a woman who had a bad sexual experience will later claim it to be rape.  Plus, this is the pseudo-myth that real rapists take advantage of -- if you see a woman who is drunk go off with a man to a private room, the rapist can fit everything that happens thereafter into the "she just regrets it" narrative.  And they do.


So now I am trying to find the entire study (Warsaw, R.I Never Called it Rape. New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 1994.)that the majority of the stats are based upon...in a macabre way, the stats are fascinating....

"42% of rape survivors had sex again with the rapist "

which seems so out of context with..

"82% of rape survivors say the rape permanently changed them" and
"30% of rape survivors contemplate suicide after the rape "
2013-11-14 04:33:27 PM
1 votes:

ikanreed: WhyKnot:

If you booze a women so she can't fight back....rape.

if you and a female get boozed and she lets you fumble through her drawers but she later regrets it....not rape.

Arguments rapists use to make themselves feel better.


ahhh...you were calling me a rapist.      Looking at the two examples above, there are miles departure between the two.

I would image you are all for women's rights, their right to do and say anything, but as soon as little alcohol is consumed and sexual activity takes place, both through her own volition (using my example above "you and female get boozed" and "lets you") (notice she has free will in each of those actions), she loses all ability to control herself.  The male can control his actions enough to be a rapist and violator; but the female, well, she is a helpless lamb.   You are a piece of shiat in the highest order.
2013-11-14 04:20:30 PM
1 votes:

boyofd: If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not. You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you. So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape. Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape. If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted.


You're trying to get someone to admit they committed rape to themselves.  Even if they could reasonably come around to an argument on the internet, the cognitive dissonance of "boyofd's argument is wrong in spite of sounding cogent" is much easier for someone's brain to handle than "I'm a rapist."
2013-11-14 04:12:11 PM
1 votes:

WhyKnot: teenytinycornteeth: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

You really believe that all people think it's not ok to rape?  Do a bit of research.  Research date rape, wife rape...men who think that if they buy dinner they're ENTITLED to sex.  Do A Little Research In our nice little minds where all rapes are done by scary men in capes in alleyways, holding knives to innocent women's necks, sure I'll venture to say we all think it's wrong. But in real life, where most rapists are known to their victims, I would say you are WRONG.

Fine, all men are rapists.   All men go around thinking of ways to rape anyone and anything.

As to your 'study', i see the numbers, I find them hard to believe, but I see them.   Who was study group?   how were 'joke' answers dealt with?

look, rape is bad, mmm'kay?   I have a hard time believing 1/10 of college guys believe rape is acceptable activity.


You've been given links to those studies before in previous threads.  Did you ever take the time to read them or adjust your broad generalizations?  If you are given links to these studies will you accept them or just move the goalposts based upon how "hard" it is for you to believe?
2013-11-14 04:12:02 PM
1 votes:
WhyKnot:

If you booze a women so she can't fight back....rape.

if you and a female get boozed and she lets you fumble through her drawers but she later regrets it....not rape.


Arguments rapists use to make themselves feel better.
2013-11-14 04:07:58 PM
1 votes:
I bash the younger generation all the time for being dimwits, but the fact that they stood up to this douchenozzle after the speech (regarding the website) gives me a smidge of hope for them. just a little though.
2013-11-14 04:00:37 PM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Yep - that's an important, and positive, point. This wasn't "helicopter parents" or "butthurt activists", but the kids themselves that looked at this farking moron and went, "are you serious?!"


So much this. This story makes me happy, not because the PTA hired a douchebag to give a lecture, but because the kids (a) saw through it and (b) called him on it, immediately, to his face. I would've been really sad if he'd gotten a polite (or even enthusiastic) ovation from the kids, and just a complaint from one or two butthurt parents.

/not a "real man", apparently
//deal with it
2013-11-14 03:57:59 PM
1 votes:
The creep's online FAQ has "How old are you?" with the answer "Legal in every state."  Yeah really.
2013-11-14 03:47:47 PM
1 votes:
What's wrong with this man's motivational speaker skills?

img.fark.net
2013-11-14 03:43:55 PM
1 votes:
When I was in public school we had motivational speakers who were interesting and whose speeches and messages I can still remember today.

I guess we just had good teachers and a non-idiotic PTA.

/Alvin Law, the man with no arms who could do everything a normal person could do, including drive a car
//8th grade
2013-11-14 03:40:49 PM
1 votes:
My question is why the fark is the school system telling teenagers how to date?

Why don't you school people concentrate on producing graduates who can read, spell, write and do basic math?

Whatever money they paid this douche would have been better spent on condoms to hand out to the kids.

/yeah, i know it's suburban Texas, so, not gonna happen
//but it should
2013-11-14 03:36:13 PM
1 votes:
"Why did you tell girls to get out of abusive relationships instead of telling guys not to be abusive in the first place?" one student asked.

This kid has a bright future as an awful Slate blogger.
2013-11-14 03:35:44 PM
1 votes:
Assuming that only boys can be abusers is one of the "traditional gender roles" stigmas that men have been trying to erase for a long time. It's bad enough when this idiot does it, but it's much worse when his critics do it. The hypocrisy is terrible.
2013-11-14 03:29:57 PM
1 votes:
"Lookadoo"?
2013-11-14 03:28:14 PM
1 votes:
Grown men with "peacocking" hairstyles are ... well ... pathetic. If you're still trying to catch tail after your looks start the downward slide, you're too late, everyone knows it, and that hair gel is not going to turn back the hands of time.
2013-11-14 03:25:18 PM
1 votes:
He's just wrong on that 'Datable Girls' thing.

Datable girls don't need to know when to shut up.

It's that undatable girls don't know when to shut up.
2013-11-14 03:25:13 PM
1 votes:
And the people that had to listen to this asshole also got to pay for it, against their will.
2013-11-14 03:23:08 PM
1 votes:
Well, one of the butthurt parents has a hyphenated name -  Dr. Jaime Clark-Soles...that is all I need to know about he heloparenting self

Also, the babes do tend to talk too much, dudes do tend to be insensitive.  It is what it is
 
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