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2013-11-14 03:45:38 PM
From his website:

Need him. Dateable girls know that guys need to be needed. A Dateable girl isn't Miss Independent. She knows we are made for community. Needing each other is part of faith. She allows him to be needed at times, knowing he was called to serve just as much as she was.

Let him lead. God made guys as leaders. Dateable girls get that and let him do guy things, get a door, open a ketchup bottle. They relax and let guys be guys. Which means they don't ask him out!!!

Men of God are wild, not domesticated. Dateable guys aren't tamed. They don't live by the rules of the opposite sex. They fight battles, conquer lands, and stand up for the oppressed.

Keep it covered up. Dateable guys know that porn is bad for the spirit and the mind. They keep women covered up.


OK then... I would absolutely select him to lecture my children. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-11-14 03:46:40 PM

Lollipop165: I'm hoping you all take the R U Dateable quiz. Cause according to this quiz, this married woman is totally and completely undateable :-(


No way!  I'm a huge Lollipop165 fan.
/be sure to tell your husband some random weirdo on the internet said this and reap...the...benefits?
 
2013-11-14 03:47:47 PM
What's wrong with this man's motivational speaker skills?

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2013-11-14 03:47:49 PM

Nana's Vibrator: FTFA:
This is an excerpt from Lookadoo's list of rules for being a "dateable" girl:
Dateable girls know how to shut up. They don't monopolize the conversation. They don't tell everyone everything about themselves. They save some for later. They listen more than they gab.
And from his rules for being a "dateable" boy:
Dateable guys know they aren't as sensitive as girls, and that's okay. They know they are stronger, more dangerous, and more adventurous, and that's okay. Dateable guys are real men who aren't afraid to be guys.

More gold!  Lots and lots of gold today!
I'd really like to figure out why the PTA thought it was necessary to give money to someone and pull kids out of class to hear him.  A lecture on being dateable is almost assuredly not the reason.


Sounds like one of those "Peacemaker Jesus is a pussy"-type people. It basically tells Real True Christian Men to act like an asshole, because God wants you to.
 
2013-11-14 03:49:00 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: " But the Christian motivational speaker, hired by the PTA, .."  annnd, done.


Now here's the part that's confusing to me.

FTA: Some others were offended by his choice of non-religious terminology used to illustrate his topics.

So people were offended because he didn't bring religion into his presentation?

And looking further into the article, that's actually one of the things people are complaining about.

My favorite is Dr. Jaime Clark-Sole, who is a professor at Southern Methodist University.  They're not exactly the basion of free thinking out there.

Don't get me wrong, the guy's message is out of line in a lot of ways, but some of the complaints in the article are laughable.
 
2013-11-14 03:49:11 PM

Lollipop165: Oh and ladies, IF you pass the "R U Dateable?" test, this is what you get:

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Can someone explain #5 to me?  I mean the list is jaw-dropping, but I'm not sure I even understand #5.  The only thing I can think of is that he's saying, "you won't be cute for long, so make sure you tie a man down and start having babies before the droopies hit you." It's almost to Poe levels.
 
2013-11-14 03:50:48 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

Apparently we don't all know it isn't OK to rape or abuse.

You're not very good at this.

I bet it's not the only thing you're not good at.


do we have to teach people not to kill?  do we have to teach people not to assualt strangers?

Sure, some people  (both male and female) don't care what is right or wrong, and will do what pleases them; but the vast majority of people know what is socially acceptable.
 
2013-11-14 03:51:29 PM
"Some others were offended by his choice of non-religious terminology used to illustrate his topics. I deeply regret this," Bruner said

it's a public school, apparently he was even told to keep religion out of it (as he should be).

take your kids to your church for religious terminology asshats, this is a public school.
I cannot understand the hard-headed stupidity of some christians on this issue.

/oh no, now I'm oppressing christians
 
2013-11-14 03:51:39 PM
www.filmmisery.com

So he's saying the best girls are the salad-eating biatches? No thanks.
 
2013-11-14 03:52:07 PM

WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.


You really believe that all people think it's not ok to rape?  Do a bit of research.  Research date rape, wife rape...men who think that if they buy dinner they're ENTITLED to sex.  Do A Little Research In our nice little minds where all rapes are done by scary men in capes in alleyways, holding knives to innocent women's necks, sure I'll venture to say we all think it's wrong. But in real life, where most rapists are known to their victims, I would say you are WRONG.
 
2013-11-14 03:53:16 PM

stickandmove: "Some others were offended by his choice of non-religious terminology used to illustrate his topics. I deeply regret this"

So the Christian motivational speaker wasn't "Christian enough" for some of the parents?


Not parents - the PRINCIPAL.  He was justifying the derp by blaming the damn libruhl establishment that made the DB rewrite the script.  Because, yaknow, the original version is filled with so much less sexist insanity...

I applaud the students who challenged him - it shines a ray of hope through an otherwise highly disturbing account.
 
2013-11-14 03:53:16 PM

timujin: and if anyone's an expert on who is and isn't "datable", it's this dude:
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The kid from Sum 42 has NOT aged well.
 
2013-11-14 03:55:09 PM

oh_please: timujin: and if anyone's an expert on who is and isn't "datable", it's this dude:
[www.premierproductions.com image 700x467]

The kid from Sum 41 has NOT aged well.


FTFM
 
2013-11-14 03:57:01 PM

Frank and Beans: Dateable girls put out.


And dateable guys pull out?
 
2013-11-14 03:57:30 PM
Was he suppose to motivate the kids to atheism? Because I think that's what he did.
 
2013-11-14 03:57:59 PM
The creep's online FAQ has "How old are you?" with the answer "Legal in every state."  Yeah really.
 
2013-11-14 03:59:49 PM

WhyKnot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

Apparently we don't all know it isn't OK to rape or abuse.

You're not very good at this.

I bet it's not the only thing you're not good at.

do we have to teach people not to kill?  do we have to teach people not to assualt strangers?

Sure, some people  (both male and female) don't care what is right or wrong, and will do what pleases them; but the vast majority of people know what is socially acceptable.


Actually, with respect to rape, that isn't true.  Everyone knows that grabbing a woman running down the street, and having sex with her while she screams no is bad and "rape."  Not everyone knows that getting a girl drunk so that she won't put up much of a fight and might quietly let you fumble through her drawers is also rape, and there are plenty of statistics to back this up.

Also, campaigns telling men "Don't be that guy" have been much more successful in reducing rape rates that focusing on the victim.  So, while you might think your ideas make sense, the evidence doesn't back you up.
 
2013-11-14 04:00:37 PM

FormlessOne: Yep - that's an important, and positive, point. This wasn't "helicopter parents" or "butthurt activists", but the kids themselves that looked at this farking moron and went, "are you serious?!"


So much this. This story makes me happy, not because the PTA hired a douchebag to give a lecture, but because the kids (a) saw through it and (b) called him on it, immediately, to his face. I would've been really sad if he'd gotten a polite (or even enthusiastic) ovation from the kids, and just a complaint from one or two butthurt parents.

/not a "real man", apparently
//deal with it
 
2013-11-14 04:00:49 PM
"It was not the intent to offend anyone, and I apologize to those who were."

Personal responsibility Jesus strikes again.
 
2013-11-14 04:05:18 PM
Another exciting chapter in The Public Speaking Adventures of Young Wallace Shawn.
 
2013-11-14 04:05:21 PM

teenytinycornteeth: HotWingConspiracy: "Why did you tell girls to get out of abusive relationships instead of telling guys not to be abusive in the first place?" one student asked.

Ehhhh

Why did you tell people to lock their doors instead of telling people to stop stealing?

We can tell people to stop doing shiat, doesn't mean they're going to stop. You can do things to deal with that reality though.

Because by telling them that it's their own fault if they find it impossible to leave (please tell me you don't think that abused women can just say "man, I'm tired of this, i'm leaving and I'm sure you'll leave me alone as a result". ) is counterproductive.

I think it's important to show young women (all women) that there are ways out of abusive relationships, that they can be protected, that their partner's threats of murder can be dealt with, but just throwing your arms up and say "those zany men, we just can't teach them to stop beating women so deal with it" is ridiculous.  Deal with reality but also work to friggin' change it.


You're an idiot.
 
2013-11-14 04:05:42 PM

teenytinycornteeth: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

You really believe that all people think it's not ok to rape?  Do a bit of research.  Research date rape, wife rape...men who think that if they buy dinner they're ENTITLED to sex.  Do A Little Research In our nice little minds where all rapes are done by scary men in capes in alleyways, holding knives to innocent women's necks, sure I'll venture to say we all think it's wrong. But in real life, where most rapists are known to their victims, I would say you are WRONG.


Fine, all men are rapists.   All men go around thinking of ways to rape anyone and anything.

As to your 'study', i see the numbers, I find them hard to believe, but I see them.   Who was study group?   how were 'joke' answers dealt with?

look, rape is bad, mmm'kay?   I have a hard time believing 1/10 of college guys believe rape is acceptable activity.
 
2013-11-14 04:06:45 PM
Misogyny in the name of Jesus is best misogyny.
 
2013-11-14 04:07:58 PM
I bash the younger generation all the time for being dimwits, but the fact that they stood up to this douchenozzle after the speech (regarding the website) gives me a smidge of hope for them. just a little though.
 
2013-11-14 04:08:46 PM

patrick767: Misogyny in the name of Jesus is best misogyny.


Christogyny is bestogyny.  Amen!
 
2013-11-14 04:09:48 PM

boyofd: WhyKnot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

Apparently we don't all know it isn't OK to rape or abuse.

You're not very good at this.

I bet it's not the only thing you're not good at.

do we have to teach people not to kill?  do we have to teach people not to assualt strangers?

Sure, some people  (both male and female) don't care what is right or wrong, and will do what pleases them; but the vast majority of people know what is socially acceptable.

Actually, with respect to rape, that isn't true.  Everyone knows that grabbing a woman running down the street, and having sex with her while she screams no is bad and "rape."   Not everyone knows that getting a girl drunk so that she won't put up much of a fight and might quietly let you fumble through her drawers is also rape, and there are plenty of statistics to back this up.

Also, campaigns telling men "Don't be that guy" have been much more successful in reducing rape rates that focusing on the victim.  So, while you might think your ideas make sense, the evidence doesn't back you up.


If you booze a women so she can't fight back....rape.

if you and a female get boozed and she lets you fumble through her drawers but she later regrets it....not rape.
 
2013-11-14 04:10:07 PM

mafiageek1980: I bash the younger generation all the time for being dimwits, but the fact that they stood up to this douchenozzle after the speech (regarding the website) gives me a smidge of hope for them. just a little though.


And you're depressed again when he says "that never happened to me before."  Hundreds of people that took his patronizing brainwashing sitting down.
 
2013-11-14 04:12:00 PM

ikanreed: mafiageek1980: I bash the younger generation all the time for being dimwits, but the fact that they stood up to this douchenozzle after the speech (regarding the website) gives me a smidge of hope for them. just a little though.

And you're depressed again when he says "that never happened to me before."  Hundreds of people that took his patronizing brainwashing sitting down.


Dude, don't harsh my mellow, lol!
 
2013-11-14 04:12:02 PM
WhyKnot:

If you booze a women so she can't fight back....rape.

if you and a female get boozed and she lets you fumble through her drawers but she later regrets it....not rape.


Arguments rapists use to make themselves feel better.
 
2013-11-14 04:12:11 PM

WhyKnot: teenytinycornteeth: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

You really believe that all people think it's not ok to rape?  Do a bit of research.  Research date rape, wife rape...men who think that if they buy dinner they're ENTITLED to sex.  Do A Little Research In our nice little minds where all rapes are done by scary men in capes in alleyways, holding knives to innocent women's necks, sure I'll venture to say we all think it's wrong. But in real life, where most rapists are known to their victims, I would say you are WRONG.

Fine, all men are rapists.   All men go around thinking of ways to rape anyone and anything.

As to your 'study', i see the numbers, I find them hard to believe, but I see them.   Who was study group?   how were 'joke' answers dealt with?

look, rape is bad, mmm'kay?   I have a hard time believing 1/10 of college guys believe rape is acceptable activity.


You've been given links to those studies before in previous threads.  Did you ever take the time to read them or adjust your broad generalizations?  If you are given links to these studies will you accept them or just move the goalposts based upon how "hard" it is for you to believe?
 
2013-11-14 04:13:39 PM

Bith Set Me Up: So he's saying the best girls are the salad-eating biatches? No thanks.


Now that's just plain not true.

If a girl will eat the salad, she'll do pretty much anything.

Those are the ones you WANT to date
 
2013-11-14 04:17:05 PM

WhyKnot: boyofd: WhyKnot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

Apparently we don't all know it isn't OK to rape or abuse.

You're not very good at this.

I bet it's not the only thing you're not good at.

do we have to teach people not to kill?  do we have to teach people not to assualt strangers?

Sure, some people  (both male and female) don't care what is right or wrong, and will do what pleases them; but the vast majority of people know what is socially acceptable.

Actually, with respect to rape, that isn't true.  Everyone knows that grabbing a woman running down the street, and having sex with her while she screams no is bad and "rape."   Not everyone knows that getting a girl drunk so that she won't put up much of a fight and might quietly let you fumble through her drawers is also rape, and there are plenty of statistics to back this up.

Also, campaigns telling men "Don't be that guy" have been much more successful in reducing rape rates that focusing on the victim.  So, while you might think your ideas make sense, the evidence doesn't back you up.

If you booze a women so she can't fight back....rape.

if you and a female get boozed and she lets you fumble through her drawers but she later regrets it....not rape.


If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not.  You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you.  So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape.  Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape.  If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted.
 
2013-11-14 04:17:44 PM

meathome: Cygnus God of Balance: " But the Christian motivational speaker, hired by the PTA, .."  annnd, done.

Now here's the part that's confusing to me.

FTA: Some others were offended by his choice of non-religious terminology used to illustrate his topics.

So people were offended because he didn't bring religion into his presentation?

And looking further into the article, that's actually one of the things people are complaining about.

My favorite is Dr. Jaime Clark-Sole, who is a professor at Southern Methodist University.  They're not exactly the basion of free thinking out there.

Don't get me wrong, the guy's message is out of line in a lot of ways, but some of the complaints in the article are laughable.



OK, Allow me to clear the confusion:

1. The PTA paid a "Christian motivational speaker" to present at their public school
2. Knowing that purely Christian ramblings would elicit the ire of parents such as myself, he was allowed to speak on the condition of keeping the religion out.
3. The students and parents were blindsided by this assembly, and their "option" was not outlined.
4. Dude conveyed his misogynistic verbal diarrhea about a woman's responsibility TO a man (leaving out the "under God's will part)
5. Students called him on the BS
6. One parent is quoted as saying "I think it's promoting gender stereotypes that are dangerous and problematic in numerous ways"
7. PRINCIPAL stated that "Some others were offended by his choice of non-religious terminology.." likely referring to the butthurt PTA nannies who thought they had pulled off the big win with getting Goddy Joe into their school - or perhaps in an attempt to justify the derp by saying that it wasn't his comfort zone.

I'm not sure how the objections are so perplexing to you.The PTA is pssd cause they didn't get God in the school, Students are irreverent to such an asinine message, and parents are rightfully concerned that this jackhole was brought into their childrens' school in the first place.Clear enough?
 
2013-11-14 04:19:33 PM
"I've done about 4,000 programs. That's never happened," Lookadoo confessed....The high school said Lookadoo was carefully vetted, and had visited the school for an assembly several years ago.

Most people realize they're out they're old-fashioned and out of touch with the day's youth after several decades. Rare is the person who literally finds out on the day it happens.
 
2013-11-14 04:19:39 PM

boyofd: WhyKnot: teenytinycornteeth: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

He website message needs to be rephrased, but his message it right.    The majority of guys don't want a girl that wont shut up and keeps yapping about herself, and the majority of girls want a man...not a wimp.

As to the girl's concern about telling girls to get out of abusive relationships...that is similar to the stupid "teach boys not to rape" line of thinking...WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO RAPE.     Similarly, WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T OKAY TO ABUSE your girlfriend, he is just telling girls if it happens, get help and move on.

You really believe that all people think it's not ok to rape?  Do a bit of research.  Research date rape, wife rape...men who think that if they buy dinner they're ENTITLED to sex.  Do A Little Research In our nice little minds where all rapes are done by scary men in capes in alleyways, holding knives to innocent women's necks, sure I'll venture to say we all think it's wrong. But in real life, where most rapists are known to their victims, I would say you are WRONG.

Fine, all men are rapists.   All men go around thinking of ways to rape anyone and anything.

As to your 'study', i see the numbers, I find them hard to believe, but I see them.   Who was study group?   how were 'joke' answers dealt with?

look, rape is bad, mmm'kay?   I have a hard time believing 1/10 of college guys believe rape is acceptable activity.

You've been given links to those studies before in previous threads.  Did you ever take the time to read them or adjust your broad generalizations?  If you are given links to these studies will you accept them or just move the goalposts based upon how "hard" it is for you to believe?


I honestly, don't recall seeing previous links, that being said, I am happy to read them and better understand the issue.   I honest have a hard time assume 1/10 of college guys feel rape is acceptable.
 
2013-11-14 04:20:30 PM

boyofd: If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not. You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you. So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape. Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape. If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted.


You're trying to get someone to admit they committed rape to themselves.  Even if they could reasonably come around to an argument on the internet, the cognitive dissonance of "boyofd's argument is wrong in spite of sounding cogent" is much easier for someone's brain to handle than "I'm a rapist."
 
2013-11-14 04:23:37 PM
"Why did you tell girls to get out of abusive relationships instead of telling guys not to be abusive in the first place?"

Because it doesn't f***ing work.  A guy who abuses has already demonstrated he doesn't respect other people.  Telling him "Don't be abusive." achieves NOTHING.

If you catch the abused before they develop the habit of seeking out abusive relationships, telling them THIS at the appropriate moment can work:

1.  This is what abuse looks like.
2.  Learn to recognize it.  This means not excusing it.
3.  NOBODY deserves abuse.  No one. Not ever.  Under no conditions.
4.  If you suspect you're being abused, you are:
     LEAVE NOW AND DON'T LOOK BACK.
     Don't "fight back", don't "get even"; don't "make them admit it".
     All these things give power to the abuser.  Just GTFO NOW.
     After you GET OUT, talk to police, rabbi, counsellor, attorney, friend for advice on what to do next
5.  Some abusers can change.  That's nice.
     Then they can be with someone else and not abuse them.  Not you; you are done; it's over.

Unfortunately, some people grow up with abuse and need therapy, not motiviational speaking to get out of it.  When somebody knows only abuse or has gotten used to it, they tend to seek it out.
They will find a string of boyfriends/girlfriends/spouses, each of which "will be different from the last one".  But the friends and family of the abused person see only a string of basically identical abusers.

The family could take the abuser to a quiet place and put a bullet between their eyes and the victim will immediately turn around and find another one JUST LIKE HIM.  I personally know folks who are alive today only because killing them would change nothing.
 
2013-11-14 04:25:59 PM

boyofd: WhyKnot: boyofd: WhyKnot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: WhyKnot: He didn't say anything inflammatory to the kids...he mentioned his website where the suspect language was located...let's all calm our tits.

If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not.  You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you.  So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape.  Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape.  If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted..


I agree with all of this.   Maybe I am conceptually understanding what is or isn't rape...but then at the same time not carrying forward that definition when thinking of studies of 'rape' and instead thinking about 'forced rape'.
 
2013-11-14 04:26:38 PM

ikanreed: boyofd: If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not. You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you. So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape. Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape. If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted.

You're trying to get someone to admit they committed rape to themselves.  Even if they could reasonably come around to an argument on the internet, the cognitive dissonance of "boyofd's argument is wrong in spite of sounding cogent" is much easier for someone's brain to handle than "I'm a rapist."


are you calling me a rapist?
 
2013-11-14 04:26:45 PM
archive.hi-res.net

how would you rate this speaker on the Fear / Love line?

www.unsungfilms.com
 
2013-11-14 04:27:58 PM
This douche-urchin looks like exactly the type of guy who would get upset at a woman for dominating the conversation during a date, and thereby preventing him from living out his destiny as a strong, conquering leader of a man, as God intended. Please hush now, so he can show you how dominant and in-charge he is! Please? Aw, c'mon!
 
2013-11-14 04:28:12 PM

Publikwerks: Being attractive is the most important thing there is
If you wanna catch the biggest fish in your pond
You have to be as attractive as possible
Make sure to keep your hair spotless and clean
Wash it at least every two weeks
Once every two weeks
And if you see Jonny football hero in the hall
Tell him he played a great game
//Tell him you like his article in the newspaper


Great song.

I stopped reading the article at "Christian motivational speaker". Did I miss anything important? No? Didnt think so.
 
2013-11-14 04:29:55 PM
whatculture.com
FEAR |--------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------|LOVE
 
2013-11-14 04:32:59 PM

Sofa King Smart: [archive.hi-res.net image 231x338]

how would you rate this speaker on the Fear / Love line?

[www.unsungfilms.com image 448x194]


GRR - beat to the punch
 
2013-11-14 04:33:27 PM

ikanreed: WhyKnot:

If you booze a women so she can't fight back....rape.

if you and a female get boozed and she lets you fumble through her drawers but she later regrets it....not rape.

Arguments rapists use to make themselves feel better.


ahhh...you were calling me a rapist.      Looking at the two examples above, there are miles departure between the two.

I would image you are all for women's rights, their right to do and say anything, but as soon as little alcohol is consumed and sexual activity takes place, both through her own volition (using my example above "you and female get boozed" and "lets you") (notice she has free will in each of those actions), she loses all ability to control herself.  The male can control his actions enough to be a rapist and violator; but the female, well, she is a helpless lamb.   You are a piece of shiat in the highest order.
 
2013-11-14 04:34:14 PM
WhyKnot:

I honestly, don't recall seeing previous links, that being said, I am happy to read them and better understand the issue.   I honest have a hard time assume 1/ ...

First, I think, if you are being candid, you are misunderstanding the research.  Almost no one is going to admit to themselves that they are a rapist.  Instead, what they are admitting to are facts that qualify as rape, e.g., "Have you ever had sex with a woman who you knew was too drunk to give meaningful consent?" or something similar.  Men do that all of the time, and they admit to doing it some of the time.  However, they just don't call it "rape."

This looks like it has the source which led to the 8% citation, although the actual study is only named, but not included online.  I will look for others when I have some time.

http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php

I would also point out these statistics from the link which help point out that the largest problem with rape is date rape, which is the type that can be addressed by making sure men understand true consent.  That's why this approach has better chances at success.

 57% of rapes happen on dates. (1)
 75% of the men and 55% of the women involved in acquaintance rapes were drinking or taking drugs just before the attack. (1)
 About 70% of sexual assault survivors reported that they took some form of self-protective action during the crime. The most common technique was to resist by struggling or chase and try to hold the attacker. Of those survivors who took protective action, over half believed it helped the situation, about 1/5 believed that it made the situation worse or simultaneously worse and better. (7)
 84% of rape survivors tried unsuccessfully to reason with the man who raped her. (1)
 55% of gang rapes on college campuses are committed by fraternities, 40% by sports teams, and 5% by others. (15)
 Approximately 40% of sexual assaults take place in the survivor's home. About 20% occur in the home of a friend, neighbor, or relative. 10% occur outside, away from home. About 8% take place in parking garages. (7)
 
2013-11-14 04:34:48 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: [whatculture.com image 575x366]
FEAR |--------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------|LOVE


3 minutes...   not sure how I feel about this in regards to the fear/love continuum.
 
2013-11-14 04:35:41 PM

ikanreed: boyofd: If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not. You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you. So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape. Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape. If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted.

You're trying to get someone to admit they committed rape to themselves.  Even if they could reasonably come around to an argument on the internet, the cognitive dissonance of "boyofd's argument is wrong in spite of sounding cogent" is much easier for someone's brain to handle than "I'm a rapist."


I was using "you" because WhyKnot started with his own examples of "you."  I am not alleging WhyKnot of having committed any rapes.
 
2013-11-14 04:41:22 PM
 Douchapoo says what?

www.titletrakk.com
 
2013-11-14 04:43:40 PM

boyofd: ikanreed: boyofd: If you booze up a woman for the purpose of reducing her resistance, you are willing to be a rapist regardless of whether she consents or not. You might get lucky in that she would have consented anyway, but her consent did not matter to you. So, giving a girl a drink with a higher alcohol content than you tell her is in it = you are willing to rape. Seeking out women who have had too much to drink = you are willing to rape. If you don't think those are common ploys in college, you must have skipped school or commuted.

You're trying to get someone to admit they committed rape to themselves.  Even if they could reasonably come around to an argument on the internet, the cognitive dissonance of "boyofd's argument is wrong in spite of sounding cogent" is much easier for someone's brain to handle than "I'm a rapist."

I was using "you" because WhyKnot started with his own examples of "you."  I am not alleging WhyKnot of having committed any rapes.


I was because of his defensiveness.  That was slander though.   Sorry WhyKnot.  I know you could have been hypothetically defensive.
 
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