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(NPR)   Obama: "You know what? F*ck it. If you like being ripped off by your health insurance plan, you go on with yo bad self. I give up"   (npr.org) divider line 884
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2013-11-14 11:36:16 AM
This is why we can't have nice things
 
2013-11-14 12:00:56 PM
Oh, single payer.. how I yearn for thee.

Sadly, until we elect some actual liberals, we'll never see it here.
 
2013-11-14 12:01:21 PM
You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!
 
2013-11-14 12:04:11 PM
How can he do this? I thought the ACA was passed by Congress and signed into law by him. How can the President arbitrarily change a law because he doesn't like it?
 
2013-11-14 12:08:56 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Oh, single payer.. how I yearn for thee.

Sadly, until we elect some actual liberals, we'll never see it here.


There are no actual liberals

/just Republican scarecrows
 
2013-11-14 12:10:45 PM

dead: You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!


yes, like decisions to not pay their medical bills because they didn't have enough insurance to cover the cost of their broken leg or bout of pneumonia.  Then the rest of us responsible adults get to pay that bill for them.
 
2013-11-14 12:12:31 PM

dj_bigbird: How can he do this? I thought the ACA was passed by Congress and signed into law by him. How can the President arbitrarily change a law because he doesn't like it?


Depending on who you listen to, Obama did it all himself and it a complete dictator

you know, on the days he's not a stuffed-suit know-nothing.
 
2013-11-14 12:16:08 PM

dead: You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!


Forcing people who are under-insured to buy decent insurance is one of the main features of the ACA, in most cases the government will help pay for it.
 
2013-11-14 12:27:31 PM

dj_bigbird: How can he do this? I thought the ACA was passed by Congress and signed into law by him. How can the President arbitrarily change a law because he doesn't like it?


I read that there are grandfather provisions in ACA but health insurance providers are just blanket canceling policies so they can auto-enroll people into higher cost policies without even mentioning to them they can find cheaper in the exchanges.

I don't know if thAt is true but it's floating out there.
 
2013-11-14 12:29:01 PM

dead: You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!


Yea, which affect everyone else thanks to their poor ability to determine what would be a good idea or not. This whole thing about insurance isn't some bleeding heart liberal shiat. It's affecting everyone else's rates and medical costs. Someone foots the bill and insurance companies and the medical industry are not known for charity.
 
2013-11-14 12:31:57 PM

Ambivalence: dj_bigbird: How can he do this? I thought the ACA was passed by Congress and signed into law by him. How can the President arbitrarily change a law because he doesn't like it?

I read that there are grandfather provisions in ACA but health insurance providers are just blanket canceling policies so they can auto-enroll people into higher cost policies without even mentioning to them they can find cheaper in the exchanges.

I don't know if thAt is true but it's floating out there.


Um, it's true. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw this at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2013-11-14 12:38:36 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Oh, single payer.. how I yearn for thee.

Sadly, until we elect some actual liberals, we'll never see it here.

There are no actual liberals

/just Republican scarecrows


Wrong.  There are 3.  Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Sheldon Whitehouse.
 
2013-11-14 12:41:39 PM

dead: You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!


fark yeah!  I want to drive on the farking sidewalk.  I want to be able to carry no insurance on anything whatsoever.  fark yeah!  I'm making my own decisions!  Yeehaw!

Oh, sometimes people make bad decisions.  If they didn't, we wouldn't have laws.

/or The Magna Carta for that matter
 
2013-11-14 12:49:30 PM
My only question is how can this be possible? The insurance companies already dropped the noncompliant policies.
 
2013-11-14 12:53:48 PM

cameroncrazy1984: My only question is how can this be possible? The insurance companies already dropped the noncompliant policies.


maybe the proposal is to allow those insurance company to offer for shiatty policies again.
 
2013-11-14 12:56:27 PM

Voiceofreason01: dead: You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!

Forcing people who are under-insured to buy decent insurance is one of the main features of the ACA, in most cases the government will help pay for it.


That's called Medicaid. And we already have that.
 
2013-11-14 12:57:44 PM

dead: Voiceofreason01: dead: You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!

Forcing people who are under-insured to buy decent insurance is one of the main features of the ACA, in most cases the government will help pay for it.

That's called Medicaid. And we already have that.


No, Medicaid is for people who are poor. Not all the underinsured are poor.

Why is it that the people who are most against the law have no idea what is in it?
 
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2013-11-14 12:59:14 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Because no one ever makes a bad decision that makes the rest of us pay for it. Ever.


Like when Drew took dead's $5? Damn it, Drew! Think next time.
 
2013-11-14 01:02:54 PM
This is like Christmas come early for Republicans.  He just put himself in checkmate.  This statement is not salvageable.  Obama is in rainbow-colored unicorn land.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-14 01:04:59 PM
This is only the first domino to drop in this house of cards collapsing like the supernova of a lead balloon going down in the trackless desert to be buried in the shifting sands that lie forgotten where they fell in the forest.
 
2013-11-14 01:13:34 PM

SlothB77: This is like Christmas come early for Republicans.  He just put himself in checkmate.  This statement is not salvageable.  Obama is in rainbow-colored unicorn land.


What.
 
2013-11-14 01:18:50 PM

reillan: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Oh, single payer.. how I yearn for thee.

Sadly, until we elect some actual liberals, we'll never see it here.

There are no actual liberals

/just Republican scarecrows

Wrong.  There are 3.  Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Sheldon Whitehouse.


I'll take "who are three people who shouldn't get on the same plane" for $1000, Alex.
 
2013-11-14 01:20:29 PM

Pocket Ninja: This is only the first domino to drop in this house of cards collapsing like the supernova of a lead balloon going down in the trackless desert to be buried in the shifting sands that lie forgotten where they fell in the forest.


Thank you, Zapp Brannigan.
 
2013-11-14 01:20:50 PM

dead: You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!


Why in God's name would you willingly take the crappier deal? I mean, fine, if you want to have subpar insurance that's your (stupid) decision, but in the world of the ACA you relinquish all rights to complain about something not being covered that would otherwise be covered in an ACA-approved plan.

Have fun paying more than you should for substantially less.
 
2013-11-14 01:21:18 PM

cameroncrazy1984: dead: Voiceofreason01: dead: You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!

Forcing people who are under-insured to buy decent insurance is one of the main features of the ACA, in most cases the government will help pay for it.

That's called Medicaid. And we already have that.

No, Medicaid is for people who are poor. Not all the underinsured are poor.

Why is it that the people who are most against the law have no idea what is in it?


If you're not poor, then why can't you pay for it?

And no one "knows" what in this law. We had to pass it in order to see what was in it.
 
2013-11-14 01:21:35 PM
Odd how people who usually defend people who make bad decisions are now blaming people who made bad decisions as the reason they pay more for insurance.

Welfare queens don't exist....but scumbags who us the emergency room as a primary care physician do.

go figure.

Why not both?
 
2013-11-14 01:21:46 PM

dead: And no one "knows" what in this law. We had to pass it in order to see what was in it.


idiot.
 
2013-11-14 01:21:58 PM
I honestly never believed that idiots would be so in love with insurance companies that they would clamor to keep their horrible coverage. Seems Obama felt the same way.
 
2013-11-14 01:22:23 PM

cameroncrazy1984: My only question is how can this be possible? The insurance companies already dropped the noncompliant policies.


Like I mentioned in a previous thread, this now puts it on the insurance companies. They can reinstate the plans, which will cost them money. Or they can keep them in the canceled pile, admitting that they canceled the plans not because of ACA but because they wanted more money. Can't have it both ways cause it's now definitely not ACA's fault they were canceled.
 
2013-11-14 01:22:34 PM

Pocket Ninja: This is only the first domino to drop in this house of cards collapsing like the supernova of a lead balloon going down in the trackless desert to be buried in the shifting sands that lie forgotten where they fell in the forest.


I'll have the double metaphor, shaken not stirred.

/mixed, even, with a splash of entendre
 
2013-11-14 01:22:47 PM

dj_bigbird: How can he do this? I thought the ACA was passed by Congress and signed into law by him. How can the President arbitrarily change a law because he doesn't like it?


Since when do presidents care about congress anymore?
 
2013-11-14 01:22:51 PM

bulldg4life: I honestly never believed that idiots would be so in love with insurance companies that they would clamor to keep their horrible coverage. Seems Obama felt the same way.


always bet on stupid.  It's what the GOP does.
 
2013-11-14 01:23:09 PM

dj_bigbird: How can he do this? I thought the ACA was passed by Congress and signed into law by him. How can the President arbitrarily change a law because he doesn't like it?


Ask me how I know you didn't RTFA...
 
2013-11-14 01:23:29 PM
And the ignore list grows...
 
2013-11-14 01:23:39 PM

dj_bigbird: How can he do this? I thought the ACA was passed by Congress and signed into law by him. How can the President arbitrarily change a law because he doesn't like it?


Time machine remember?
 
2013-11-14 01:23:45 PM

Ambivalence: I read that there are grandfather provisions in ACA but health insurance providers are just blanket canceling policies so they can auto-enroll people into higher cost policies without even mentioning to them they can find cheaper in the exchanges.

I don't know if thAt is true but it's floating out there.


the fact that some 90% of the population either

DOESN'T KNOW THIS
or
KNOWS THIS BUT INTENTIONALLY LIES ABOUT THIS

is why we need to accept that this country is farked. start over. intelligence testing to vote. intelligence testing to be eligible to hold office.
 term limits. end of corporate personhood. no lobbies. no PAC's. no political parties. the world is not the same as it was in late 1700's.  Its complicated beyond levels that joe 'merka 6pack can even begin to understand.

/rant off
// for now.
 
2013-11-14 01:24:35 PM

SlothB77: This is like Christmas come early for Republicans.  He just put himself in checkmate.  This statement is not salvageable.  Obama is in rainbow-colored unicorn land.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 612x792]


Derp.

So, you were mad that he misled, now you're brandishing a sh*t eating grin when he bends to the will of the retarded.

Short of ending his own life, is there anything Obama can do that would please you?

Allow ACA to be repealed, you say?

And what potato product would you replace it with, Mrs. Stouffer's?
 
2013-11-14 01:24:50 PM
Requiring a woman who are post-menopausal to pay for maternity coverage was a shiatty idea.
 
2013-11-14 01:25:15 PM

Pocket Ninja: This is only the first domino to drop in this house of cards collapsing like the supernova of a lead balloon going down in the trackless desert to be buried in the shifting sands that lie forgotten where they fell in the forest.


-- RAND PAUL
 
2013-11-14 01:25:30 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: dead: You mean people actually making decisions for themselves? We can't have that!

Yea, which affect everyone else thanks to their poor ability to determine what would be a good idea or not. This whole thing about insurance isn't some bleeding heart liberal shiat. It's affecting everyone else's rates and medical costs. Someone foots the bill and insurance companies and the medical industry are not known for charity.


Which is why people are still being screwed, even after PPACA.

It was patently obvious to everyone who cared to actually look that this was going to result in higher rates for a large number of people.

It was also patently obvious that it was a farkin' *WINDFALL* for the insurance industry.  Sure, they have some increased regulation, but the flip side of it is that everyone is legally required to buy their product (subject to some exceptions).

It's crony capitalism at its worse, dressed up in socialist clothing.
 
2013-11-14 01:25:41 PM
What happens in two weeks when a majority of insurance companies don't reinstate any canceled plans because they are unprofitable for them?

The ACA grandfathered in all old plans and only affects plans altered in between passage and activation of the law. You know, the plans that were screwed with to try and fleece customers.

The catastrophic do nothing plans are completely worthless to insurance companies now that they can't drop people for pre-existing conditions or whatever else they would do to try and skirt on their responsibilities.
 
2013-11-14 01:25:46 PM
Obama just made a mistake so bad, he will not be able to overcome it.  He just checkmated himself.  He promised everyone can keep their canceled health care plans for another year.  This is so bad for so many reasons:

1) This is against the law. 

The law is ACA.  For Obama to do solid on his promise, a) the law would have to be changed by congress, b) the law would have to be disobeyed.  Is there enough votes in congress to amend the law?

2) He would have to force insurers to honor the canceled plans. 

This constant tinkering with the private sector would send shock waves throughout our economy.  If he were successful at this, the effects would be severe.  Some insurers may prefer to flat out refuse to stay in business than operate in this kind of climate.  And this cements the tea party accusation that obama is a socialist dictator as truth.  Look at how easily he dictates terms to businesses, goes extralegal rogue and spins entire industries on his whim.

3) Why just one year?  If the plans are good enough for one year, what about two or three? 

This policy makes no sense.  If the plans are bad, then no extension.  If they are good, why can we only keep them one more year? It all seems arbitrary or politically expedient (which it is).

4) The canceled plans are gone.

Insurers have adjusted their whole business to comply with ACA.  Even if they were forced to go back to their old plans, they may not be able to.  They would have to re-create those care networks.  They would have to recreate the pricing structures.  They would have to re-create their IT systems.  Plus now they have no idea how many people would opt into those plans, so that variable alone will change their costs.  Or the plans may no longer be cost effective for the insurers in 2014, as rate changes year-to-year and they would be better off not operating at all.

5) People have lost trust in the president

People do not believe Obama can fulfill this promise.  And making a promise this hard to fulfill is extremely stupid.  He has a very low chance of fulfilling it and if he doesn't, his credibility is kaput.

He is now in rainbow-colored unicorn land.
 
2013-11-14 01:26:05 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SlothB77: This is like Christmas come early for Republicans.  He just put himself in checkmate.  This statement is not salvageable.  Obama is in rainbow-colored unicorn land.

What.


Sloth is having another stroke, Id call 911... but its sloth.
 
2013-11-14 01:26:08 PM

DarnoKonrad: dead: And no one "knows" what in this law. We had to pass it in order to see what was in it.

idiot.


Ah yes, the ad hominem attack. You immediately lose.

BTW- for those who don't follow their recent history, that's a quote from Nancy Pelosi about passage of the ACA. And I dare anyone here to tell us what's in this law. I would argue that no one person knows everything in this legislation (and that goes for any major package like this, no matter who is for and against it.)
 
2013-11-14 01:26:26 PM

bulldg4life: I honestly never believed that idiots would be so in love with insurance companies that they would clamor to keep their horrible coverage. Seems Obama felt the same way.


Having bad insurance trumps no insurance. If you had family that is sick and you depend on that bad coverage to get by, it really surprises you that being told it is cancelled but that somewhere out there there is a better plan if you can find it wouldn't cause you quite a bit of stress and worry, especially considering how you have to be a lawyer to understand your coverage half the time as it is?
 
2013-11-14 01:26:30 PM

1derful: Requiring a woman who are post-menopausal to pay for maternity coverage was a shiatty idea.


yes risk pools are a shiatty idea, that never works!
 
2013-11-14 01:27:07 PM

SlothB77: This is like Christmas come early for Republicans.  He just put himself in checkmate.  This statement is not salvageable.  Obama is in rainbow-colored unicorn land.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 612x792]


I call Yahtzee on Obama.  We just Connected Four on his ass and then sunk his Battleship.

Uno, libs.  Uno.
 
2013-11-14 01:27:28 PM

bulldg4life: I honestly never believed that idiots would be so in love with insurance companies that they would clamor to keep their horrible coverage. Seems Obama felt the same way.


Think of it this way -- if they had more than three functioning neurons they would never have bought those policies in the first place.
 
2013-11-14 01:27:38 PM

dj_bigbird: How can he do this? I thought the ACA was passed by Congress and signed into law by him. How can the President arbitrarily change a law because he doesn't like it?


Presidents can't.  Dictators can.  This is amateur hour.  He is so far in over his head.
 
2013-11-14 01:27:42 PM

1derful: Requiring a woman who are post-menopausal to pay for maternity coverage was a shiatty idea.



Awwww....maybe they should start a lobbying group....or deal with it like the men who now have to pay for mammograms and hysterectomies and pap smears and some sluts birth control pills.
 
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