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(Huffington Post)   Turns out the TSA is just a waste of money   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 45
    More: Obvious, TSA, presidential inauguration, Michael McCaul, Capitol Hill in Washington, aviation security, U.S. Capitol, United States House Committee on Homeland Security, U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi  
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2013-11-14 09:40:25 AM  
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2013-11-14 09:45:31 AM  
Done in one
 
2013-11-14 09:48:08 AM  
I think I've said it before: I'm just waiting to see the TSA have a child molestation scandal the size of PSU and the Vatican combined.
 
2013-11-14 09:53:52 AM  
If you were a terrorist on the terrorist watch list and wanted to fly, all you had to do was:

1. Buy a real plane ticket using someone else's name.
2. Create and print out a fake plane ticket with your real name on it.
3. Go through security and hand the TSA guy your fake plane ticket with your real passport.
4. Walk through the porous TSA.
5. Scribble some gobblygook on the real plane ticket using the fake one.
6. Hand the real plane ticket to the gate attendant.

The reason planes are safer is because of the secured cockpit and because passengers know that terrorists like to blow up planes.
 
2013-11-14 09:54:52 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: I think I've said it before: I'm just waiting to see the TSA have a child molestation scandal the size of PSU and the Vatican combined.


I'm sorry mam, but your child needs a cavity search with the most sensitive instrument I have.
 
2013-11-14 09:57:19 AM  
Yep.  It's a jobs program for the marginally employable, nothing more.
 
2013-11-14 09:58:50 AM  
Actual headline: "Federal Probe Questions TSA Behavior Profiling"

A PRACTICE was called into question, not the organization itself.
 
2013-11-14 10:04:27 AM  

stratagos: Done in one

 
2013-11-14 10:05:30 AM  

super_grass: Actual headline: "Federal Probe Questions TSA Behavior Profiling"

A PRACTICE was called into question, not the organization itself.


You're totally right.  Fellas, let's restrict comments to the virtues of the TSA Behavior Profiling program please.  Should be interesting.
 
2013-11-14 10:06:47 AM  

FLMountainMan: Yep.  It's a jobs program for the marginally employable, nothing more.


Thousands Standing Around.
 
2013-11-14 10:06:59 AM  
They should have guns.  Let's give them guns.
 
2013-11-14 10:09:51 AM  
And it will never, ever go away.
 
2013-11-14 10:12:08 AM  
The article may not prove that the TSA is useless, but chances are this series of videos does....
 
2013-11-14 10:12:43 AM  

RowdyRough: The article may not prove that the TSA is useless, but chances are this series of videos does....


Errr....Do.

/I english well.
 
2013-11-14 10:13:46 AM  
WE WANT OUR MONEY and dignity BACK!
 
2013-11-14 10:15:16 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: They should have guns.  Let's give them guns.


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YOU get a gun!  And YOU get a gun!!   EVERYBODY GETS A GUN!!!
 
2013-11-14 10:21:34 AM  

FLMountainMan: Yep.  It's a jobs program for the marginally employable, nothing more.


Don't be ridiculous. It's also a good way to get the general population more used to unreasonable security theater and the slow erosion of our civil rights.
 
2013-11-14 10:30:56 AM  
Another pointless Republican created federally funded money wasting government jobs program.
 
2013-11-14 10:35:32 AM  
Sounds like they're only talking about the part where you look at behavior.  Well, baby steps.
 
2013-11-14 10:37:45 AM  

dericwater: Another pointless Republican created federally funded money wasting government jobs program.


Yes only the Republicans had any hand in creating or expanding the TSA. Definitely not anyone else.
 
2013-11-14 10:44:13 AM  
Old news is always fun. I have been reading the same thing could have been accomplished with locked cabin doors and minor increases in passenger screening. The TSA checkpoint is an expensive, time consuming farce.
 
2013-11-14 10:50:39 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Zeb Hesselgresser: They should have guns.  Let's give them guns.

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YOU get a gun!  And YOU get a gun!!   EVERYBODY GETS A GUN!!!

 
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2013-11-14 10:53:35 AM  
TSA is a jobs program for special olympiad participants.
 
2013-11-14 10:54:25 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Lionel Mandrake: Zeb Hesselgresser: They should have guns.  Let's give them guns.

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YOU get a gun!  And YOU get a gun!!   EVERYBODY GETS A GUN!!!
 
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We should ALL be issued GUNS!
By the GOVERNMENT!
 
2013-11-14 10:55:30 AM  

monoski: Old news is always fun. I have been reading the same thing could have been accomplished with locked cabin doors and minor increases in passenger screening. The TSA checkpoint is an expensive, time consuming farce.


It was also a luctritive business venture for Mr. Chertoff
 
2013-11-14 11:07:38 AM  
"TSA has yet to empirically demonstrate the effectiveness of the program despite spending about $900 million on it since 2007,"

Not even $1B spent in over 5 years??  If we're still using the word Million to describe the amount, it's not even a drop in our bucket of spending and it's not really worth looking at or talking about in terms of reducing it.

Maybe if we throw even more money at the problem it will get solved.  Isn't that how we roll?
 
2013-11-14 11:10:01 AM  
Just to point out, it's only a waste if you think the purpose is the ostensibly stated one: namely to increase safety and security.

If you consider it a massive propaganda program to make sure Americans didn't stop traveling and to make Americans feel like we're more secure, combined with a jobs program, I'd say it's about 1/3rd waste.  They could be more clever in the propaganda, and not be scraping the complete bottom of the barrel.
 
2013-11-14 11:11:05 AM  
Israel is known to have a rather successful behavior profiling program, one that involves every single person coming to fly speaking to someone at a desk individually to register w/ their ticket.  That individual then knows what sorts of questions to ask and behaviors to flag for scrutiny.

The behavior-profiling program being ruled ineffective in this article sounds like it involves:
 - A scant few TSA guys with limited training eyeballing entire crowds
 - Little assistance or held-to-heart advice from those who have experience implementing these programs
 - A bunch of high-up farkwads eager to pan the project in favor of invasive, pat-down-feel-up groin-xraying screening procedures that let them treat "suspects" like second class stopped-and-frisked citizens

Here's where you can smell the bullshiat in the article:

> "While I believe there is value in utilizing behavior detection and analysis in the aviation environment, especially since it is used successfully by law enforcement, we can only support programs that are proven effective," said Rep. Mike McCaul, R-Texas, the committee's chairman.

OH, YOU DON'T SAY?  Then why aren't you advocating against the OTHER, more INVASIVE screening procedures that everybody in the airport hates, misses almost all its test-bombs, and literally hasn't caught a single friggin' terrorist???
 
2013-11-14 11:17:28 AM  
Oh, an additional factor I missed from one of the comments to the article, this one's important:

smbjoe1: "In order for this type of security to work you need intelligent agents like the Israeli's. As long as we keep hiring minimum wage, uneducated clowns to be TSA agents we're not going to improve. Just like the good ole USA, say our major need is to protect airports and then hire people with no qualifications or motivation to do so, why because it's cheap and looks like we are doing something and that's all they care about is the perception that they are doing something so they can CYA"
 
2013-11-14 11:28:08 AM  

RowdyRough: RowdyRough: The article may not prove that the TSA is useless, but chances are this series of videos does....

Errr....Do.

/I english well.


You were right the first time.
 
2013-11-14 12:20:14 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: I think I've said it before: I'm just waiting to see the TSA have a child molestation scandal the size of PSU and the Vatican combined.


For what it's worth, I just flew with my 8-year old and on his boarding passes (we used the electronic ones) he had this:
content.delta.com

think that means he gets a slight pass at the gate.  He still had to walk through the regular old metal detector--I did too--but they were putting everyone else around us through the full-body scanner.  He even got to keep his shoes on. I did not.  Not saying it applies everywhere or on all airlines or airports, but I think they've at least considered the implications and weighed the risks.
 
2013-11-14 12:20:25 PM  
Umm subtard the report shows that behavior profiling wasn't working NOT the frisk everyone that the TSA does. In fact the report actually supports the idea of frisking everyone is a better idea because it hasn't been successful to profile behavior.

/I am not for the frisk everyone policy but that doesn't change the reality of what the report says.
 
2013-11-14 12:45:40 PM  
Duh and/or hello!
 
2013-11-14 12:48:49 PM  

redmid17: dericwater: Another pointless Republican created federally funded money wasting government jobs program.

Yes only the Republicans had any hand in creating or expanding the TSA. Definitely not anyone else.


Yeah, sorry. The Republican's idea was to have these TSA workers do it for minimum wage. That would be a great security proposal.
 
2013-11-14 01:05:30 PM  
The really dumb thing is the rules aren't nationally enforced. I just flew from Seattle to San Diego and back. In Seattle, we didn't have to take off our shoes or put our 3 ounce toiletries into a ziplock in a bin or take off our jackets or walk through the backscatter porn machine. They did wipe our hands down with a little swab and put into a machine to see if we'd handled bomb-making equipment. But we were about 10' from the scanners in San Diego when we realized we DID have to take off our shoes and belts and jackets and take our electronics out of our bags and put our toiletries into a ziplock bag to be scanned, and then we got to walk through the backscatter porn machine (which is way less fun than it sounds). We got through Seattle's security in about 15 minutes, and it took us 45 minutes to get through San Diego's, even though the number of people in line was roughly the same. Instead of me feeling safer in San Diego, I was just pissed off because it was so very apparent it was all bullshiat.
 
2013-11-14 01:15:58 PM  

dericwater: redmid17: dericwater: Another pointless Republican created federally funded money wasting government jobs program.

Yes only the Republicans had any hand in creating or expanding the TSA. Definitely not anyone else.

Yeah, sorry. The Republican's idea was to have these TSA workers do it for minimum wage. That would be a great security proposal.


And no one had any hand in making it any worse.

/you know but but bush makes you look like a farking idiot right?
 
2013-11-14 01:22:18 PM  
My headline was way better.  But I linked to Ars Technica which, while a Conde Nast operation, apparently isn't on Fark's favorite lists.  Oh well.
 
2013-11-14 01:59:35 PM  

stratagos: Done in one


Done in one years ago as real liberals (and libertarians, credit where due) thought the whole idea was a waste of time and money.
 
2013-11-14 02:56:14 PM  
Holy crap none of you guys actually read what the article said. It's just "OMG someone said something about the TSA, they must have said everything about it sucks and is wrong!!"

The group think mentality on this is just silly.

The report had nothing to do with the normal procedures of the TSA of searching people (You know the part you guys say you don't like), it only had to do with the behavioral profiling was a waste of money (The thing you want actually to happen).
 
2013-11-14 03:05:31 PM  

Corvus: Holy crap none of you guys actually read what the article said. It's just "OMG someone said something about the TSA, they must have said everything about it sucks and is wrong!!"

The group think mentality on this is just silly.

The report had nothing to do with the normal procedures of the TSA of searching people (You know the part you guys say you don't like), it only had to do with the behavioral profiling was a waste of money (The thing you want actually to happen).


Just about every report the GAO has released on the TSA has said everything about it sucks, is wrong, and is a waste of money. The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation agrees.
 
2013-11-14 07:04:08 PM  
How is it even possible to spend a billion dollars on a program to look for suspicious people at the airport? Thats 10,000 man years of work. Have they hired 1.500 screeners and 500 admin, training, and management staff?

Are there 100 behavioral screeners on duty, right now, in Atlanta?

Seriously... How do you spend a billion dollars on this stuff?
 
2013-11-14 07:23:01 PM  

bdub77: If you were a terrorist on the terrorist watch list and wanted to fly, all you had to do was:

1. Buy a real plane ticket using someone else's name.
2. Create and print out a fake plane ticket with your real name on it.
3. Go through security and hand the TSA guy your fake plane ticket with your real passport.
4. Walk through the porous TSA.
5. Scribble some gobblygook on the real plane ticket using the fake one.
6. Hand the real plane ticket to the gate attendant.

The reason planes are safer is because of the secured cockpit and because passengers know that terrorists like to blow up planes.


No, all you need to do is be a terrorist whose name isn't on a watch list. Like, you know, most of them.

While TSA is busy stopping old ladies and " Fred Jones", anyone else can waltz on by.
 
2013-11-14 10:10:28 PM  

redmid17: Just about every report the GAO has released on the TSA has said everything about it sucks, is wrong, and is a waste of money. The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation agrees.


You mean Senator Droopy Dawg's legislative love child is actually a steaming turd?  Shocker!
 
2013-11-15 01:43:30 AM  

bdub77: The reason planes are safer is because of the secured cockpit and because passengers know that terrorists like to blow up planes.


This.  Planes were immediately safer a few hours into 9/11, by Plane #4.  You know... the one that terrorists tried to fly into the Pentagon, but passengers found out what was going on, fought to the death, and sacrificed themselves by forcing it to crash.

By 9/12, another incident was never going to happen.  No changes required.
 
2013-11-15 02:05:27 PM  

Bacontastesgood: redmid17: Just about every report the GAO has released on the TSA has said everything about it sucks, is wrong, and is a waste of money. The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation agrees.

You mean Senator Droopy Dawg's legislative love child is actually a steaming turd?  Shocker!


Erm what?
 
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