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(Fox News)   Montana college art student flunks a math class, sues the school for negligence, her diploma, being told an art degree could get her a job in Montana   (foxnews.com) divider line 89
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2013-11-14 08:31:43 AM  
Disability or not, if you can't meet the requirements to get your art degree..........YOU DON'T GET AN ART DEGREE.
 
2013-11-14 08:40:36 AM  
Shut up and take your math classes, you little crybaby. They'll make you a better person.
I don't even know why kids can get high school diplomas without passing beginning algebra. You spend 12 farking years in school, you ought to be able to solve a goddamned quadratic equation.
 
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2013-11-14 08:52:11 AM  
I have dysdysia, an aversion to claims that making up a name with a "dys" prefix means I need to care about the condition.
 
2013-11-14 08:53:12 AM  
Valdez's disabilities include...dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability,

Jesus farking christ.
 
2013-11-14 08:55:40 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Valdez's disabilities include...dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability,

Jesus farking christ.


This is how ridiculous this story is.  It broke Pocket Ninja.
 
2013-11-14 08:56:52 AM  
We can only hope that America's pharmaceutical companies have embarked on the long, difficult journey involved in creating a pill that can cure dyscalculia, dysdysia, dyspenisia, dysinterestia, dysphobiaitis, dysfunctionablia, dysbullshshiatissostupidia, and all the other dyses that so many have had to endure with silent suffering for so many years. Perhaps they could combine it into a cure for restless leg syndrome and end two great scourges at once.
 
2013-11-14 08:58:16 AM  
Hmmm...he got over it.

Snowflake should, too.
 
2013-11-14 09:00:33 AM  
I'm going to guess that for the most part dyscalculia is a self-fulfilling diagnosis... but I was wrong about fibro, so I'm willing to believe I'm wrong about this.

Which begs (I know, wrong word) the question: should someone with developmental disabilities that prevent them from passing required courses still be eligible for a degree, and to what extent?

I'm going to tentatively say yes, but only to the extent that the student is able to pass those courses that are in-line with her degree... meaning that the person in this case would be correct in stating that the school should have found a way for her to pass (including very remedial math classes to count as the credit).  She might have better luck at a bigger state school, however.
 
2013-11-14 09:15:35 AM  
She'll do fine. She'll whine her way into her degree, then she'll whine and brownnose her way into a job doing social work or something, and then she'll work her up the ladder, whining and taking advantage of every single thing she can exploit, and then, because of her hardships and her "handicap", she'll treat everyone in her life like crap, because she's had it so haaarrrrdddddd.

Meanwhile, the guy who just gets up and goes to work every day with no thanks and no special exemptions---he's been laid off. he has to go down and have an "interview" with the nice lady at social services about why he doesn't try harder to get a good job, so that he can get his unemployment. And you know who he has to report to? That's right.........
 
2013-11-14 09:21:23 AM  

cryinoutloud: She'll do fine. She'll whine her way into her degree, then she'll whine and brownnose her way into a job doing social work or something, and then she'll work her up the ladder, whining and taking advantage of every single thing she can exploit, and then, because of her hardships and her "handicap", she'll treat everyone in her life like crap, because she's had it so haaarrrrdddddd.

Meanwhile, the guy who just gets up and goes to work every day with no thanks and no special exemptions---he's been laid off. he has to go down and have an "interview" with the nice lady at social services about why he doesn't try harder to get a good job, so that he can get his unemployment. And you know who he has to report to? That's right.........


You, sir, will get a funny vote when it is enabled.
 
2013-11-14 09:22:04 AM  

cryinoutloud: She'll do fine. She'll whine her way into her degree, then she'll whine and brownnose her way into a job doing social work or something, and then she'll work her up the ladder, whining and taking advantage of every single thing she can exploit, and then, because of her hardships and her "handicap", she'll treat everyone in her life like crap, because she's had it so haaarrrrdddddd.

Meanwhile, the guy who just gets up and goes to work every day with no thanks and no special exemptions---he's been laid off. he has to go down and have an "interview" with the nice lady at social services about why he doesn't try harder to get a good job, so that he can get his unemployment. And you know who he has to report to? That's right.........


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2013-11-14 09:28:31 AM  
learn 2 cheat dummie
 
2013-11-14 09:31:24 AM  

Luminiferous Aether: learn 2 cheat dummie


Can't.  She's got dysneakia.
 
2013-11-14 09:33:30 AM  
www.southbayriders.com

I would have like to have curly fries with my Big Montana
 
2013-11-14 09:52:30 AM  
*sigh.  On one hand, I can see that stand that we should try to accommodate those with disabilities.  One the other hand, Welcome to Costco's.  I love you!

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2013-11-14 09:53:40 AM  
"We're very serious that a degree from Rocky means something,".

Maybe she should transfer to Wossamotta U
 
2013-11-14 09:54:42 AM  
Hey, subby, FYI there's a shiatload of art and rich-ass art-buying people in Montana.

That said...

rumpelstiltskin: Shut up and take your math classes, you little crybaby.

 
2013-11-14 09:55:15 AM  
Sadly, the math requirements for an art degree do not accurately represent the importance of math to the visual arts. Perspective, anamorphic art (e.g., those cool sidewalk drawings that look 3D from the right angle), geometry in general. Escher and Dali are to of the most famous modern artists whose work was deeply mathematical. Hannah "Montana" Valdez can go suck eggs.
 
2013-11-14 09:55:45 AM  
If dyscalculia is going to be a thing. Then I want a new word for alcoholism.
 
2013-11-14 09:55:46 AM  
Rocky Mountain admitted her even though college officials knew her SAT score for math placed her in the bottom 5 percent of all students, the lawsuit said.

There's the problem right there.
 
2013-11-14 09:55:53 AM  
Valdez's disabilities include Asperger's syndrome, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability, her attorney, Donald Harris, said Tuesday.

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh god lady you and your parents have been suckers somewhere along the way. If you really had all that wrong you would be a farking basket case no matter how much drugs they pump into you. My bet is she probably has dyslexia or dyscalculia which lead to poor performance in school which lead to all those diagnoses trying to "fix" her. This is the perfect storm of helicopter parenting and special snowflake meeting reality.
 
2013-11-14 09:55:54 AM  

DarwiOdrade: Sadly, the math requirements for an art degree do not accurately represent the importance of math to the visual arts. Perspective, anamorphic art (e.g., those cool sidewalk drawings that look 3D from the right angle), geometry in general. Escher and Dali are to of the most famous modern artists whose work was deeply mathematical. Hannah "Montana" Valdez can go suck eggs.


gah! "two" not "to"
 
2013-11-14 09:57:58 AM  

themightyboof: If dyscalculia is going to be a thing. Then I want a new word for alcoholism.


Hyperethanolia
 
2013-11-14 09:58:56 AM  

DarwiOdrade: DarwiOdrade: Sadly, the math requirements for an art degree do not accurately represent the importance of math to the visual arts. Perspective, anamorphic art (e.g., those cool sidewalk drawings that look 3D from the right angle), geometry in general. Escher and Dali are to of the most famous modern artists whose work was deeply mathematical. Hannah "Montana" Valdez can go suck eggs.

gah! "two" not "to"


You must have dyswordia.
 
2013-11-14 09:59:04 AM  

themightyboof: If dyscalculia is going to be a thing. Then I want a new word for alcoholism.


Dysoberia?
 
2013-11-14 09:59:26 AM  

themightyboof: If dyscalculia is going to be a thing. Then I want a new word for alcoholism.


Ha! I love this. I'll throw out "dyssoberia." Blegh. Sounds too much like "diarrhea." Anyone else want to try?
 
2013-11-14 09:59:52 AM  

Diogenes: Pocket Ninja: Valdez's disabilities include...dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability,

Jesus farking christ.

This is how ridiculous this story is.  It broke Pocket Ninja.


Seems he only hesitated, like my old car did on cold mornings.
 
2013-11-14 10:00:05 AM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: themightyboof: If dyscalculia is going to be a thing. Then I want a new word for alcoholism.

Dysoberia?


*shakes tiny fist of impotent rage*
 
2013-11-14 10:00:32 AM  
Not like they made her take calc or intro to differential equations...

Requirement 1: Math Skills (3 semester hours) 
Fulfilled by successfully completing:
MAT 100 - College Algebra
MAT 104 - Mathematics for Elementary School Teachers II
MAT 110 - Elementary Functions
MAT 131 - Trigonometry and Applied Calculus (for aeronautical science majors and aviation management majors only)
or
a satisfactory score on a math achievement test (at least 26 on ACT-math, at least 610 on SAT-math, or at least a 41 on the trigonometry portion of the COMPASS math test (can be taken at Rocky Mountain College )).

Requirement 2: Mathematical Thought (3 semester hours) 
Fulfilled by successfully completing one of the following courses:
MAT 152 - To Infinity and Beyond
MAT 175 - Calculus I
MAT 176 - Calculus II
MAT 210 - Probability and Statistics
Advanced placement credit in math may not be used to satisfy this requirement, but may be applied to overall elective credit.
 
2013-11-14 10:00:43 AM  
Dyscalculia.  That's my problem! I'm not bad at math, I have a disorder!

Seriously.... why is there a name for that??? Why is EVERYTHING a farking "disorder"? Can we just admit that some people just aren't good at certain things? I'm not a very good painter, can I have my own special label please?
 
2013-11-14 10:00:46 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: themightyboof: If dyscalculia is going to be a thing. Then I want a new word for alcoholism.

Ha! I love this. I'll throw out "dyssoberia." Blegh. Sounds too much like "diarrhea." Anyone else want to try?


Diarrhea is now dyspoopia
 
2013-11-14 10:01:11 AM  

Pocket Ninja: We can only hope that America's pharmaceutical companies have embarked on the long, difficult journey involved in creating a pill that can cure dyscalculia, dysdysia, dyspenisia, dysinterestia, dysphobiaitis, dysfunctionablia, dysbullshshiatissostupidia, and all the other dyses that so many have had to endure with silent suffering for so many years. Perhaps they could combine it into a cure for restless leg syndrome and end two great scourges at once.


Stop dissing her dys

/or dat
 
2013-11-14 10:03:01 AM  
Why did I have to take geology, music appreciation, and a host of other crap to get a computer science degree.
 
2013-11-14 10:03:13 AM  
I knew an engineering student that struggled mightily with his math classes. Who knows, maybe he also suffered from "dyscalculia." Anyway, long story short, after years (and years) of struggling, he finally passed the classes he needed.

Today, he's a professional engineer.

And he didn't sue anybody.

/Art students. Pfft.
 
2013-11-14 10:03:19 AM  
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2013-11-14 10:03:58 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Hey, subby, FYI there's a shiatload of art and rich-ass art-buying people in Montana.

That said...

rumpelstiltskin: Shut up and take your math classes, you little crybaby.


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2013-11-14 10:04:14 AM  

Gentoolive: Why did I have to take geology, music appreciation, and a host of other crap to get a computer science degree.


So that you'll have something to talk about while waiting on for a WoW raid to start.
 
2013-11-14 10:04:39 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Valdez's disabilities include Asperger's syndrome, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability, her attorney, Donald Harris, said Tuesday.

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh god lady you and your parents have been suckers somewhere along the way. If you really had all that wrong you would be a farking basket case no matter how much drugs they pump into you. My bet is she probably has dyslexia or dyscalculia which lead to poor performance in school which lead to all those diagnoses trying to "fix" her. This is the perfect storm of helicopter parenting and special snowflake meeting reality.


She's probably so f*cked up from years of bullsh*t diagnosis, meds and helicoptering that she is incapable of anything but whiney victimization.
 
2013-11-14 10:04:42 AM  
"Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best, he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear his shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house." - "Uncle Bob" Heinlein


/ except for the missus, who doesn't quite have the "not make messes in the house" part down right.
 
2013-11-14 10:04:59 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: Rocky Mountain admitted her even though college officials knew her SAT score for math placed her in the bottom 5 percent of all students, the lawsuit said.

There's the problem right there.


Sort of.  I take it back a level further and say she shouldn't be applying to schools that have gen. ed. or departmental minimum requirements.

Don't want to do math?  Don't pay to go to a place that requires it.
 
2013-11-14 10:06:07 AM  

Jack's Smirking Revenge: {xkcdhyphen.jpg}


I'm sure some of them buy ass-art too. LOL.

/I get mine for free, because I have the Internet. I appreciate it deeply for 3-5 minutes, and then I'm off to the next thing.
 
2013-11-14 10:08:05 AM  
I haven't seen so many lame dysses since Nas had that beef with Jay-Z.
 
2013-11-14 10:08:50 AM  
And if she weren't admitted to the college, she would have sued under the ADA.
 
2013-11-14 10:09:47 AM  
OKay,  You're retarded.

Well I don't give a fark and the whole public bullshiat game of "oh we should be sensitive to the handicapped" can go to hell.  Oh, you want to be a fireman?  You're in a wheelchair!  What?  Discriminatory?  Equal opportunity?  Dude fark off, we need someone who can drag people out of buildings.  You can do that?  Well do you know who can do it better?  Someone with legs!

If you can't meet the requirements for a degree, you can't have a degree.  I don't care if you have some sort of mental disorder; you don't have the abilities that a degree says you have (even if the impression they give is usually wrong anyway), and the only thing giving retarded people degrees would do is teach us to not hire anyone with a mental disorder because their credentials are probably effectively falsified.
 
2013-11-14 10:10:01 AM  
From TFA:  "Valdez's disabilities include Asperger's syndrome, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability, "

You know what we used to call people like that when I was in school?  Stupid.
 
2013-11-14 10:10:03 AM  

maxx2112: "Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best, he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear his shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house." - "Uncle Bob" Heinlein


/ except for the missus, who doesn't quite have the "not make messes in the house" part down right.


I like "Uncle Bob" and some of his books, but seriously, that's a load of shiat. Some people just suck at math, just like some folks suck at art, or writing, or whatever. But this girl? Man, she's just a whiny brat. Just shut up, buckle down, and do the damn work.

/for the record, I'm OK at math.
 
2013-11-14 10:11:31 AM  

labman: From TFA:  "Valdez's disabilities include Asperger's syndrome, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability, "

You know what we used to call people like that when I was in school?  Stupid.


That's not fair!

She could just be lazy, spoiled and entitled.
 
2013-11-14 10:12:15 AM  
I can't type very fast, is there a disorder I can blame for it?
 
2013-11-14 10:12:57 AM  

DarwiOdrade: Fuggin Bizzy: themightyboof: If dyscalculia is going to be a thing. Then I want a new word for alcoholism.

Ha! I love this. I'll throw out "dyssoberia." Blegh. Sounds too much like "diarrhea." Anyone else want to try?

Diarrhea is now dyspoopia


Wouldn't that be hyperpoopia? Or dyssolidifia?
 
2013-11-14 10:13:33 AM  
Degree or not, the Internet is forever, and I sure she'll have no problem getting a job when her future employer GISs her and sees she's a sue happy malcontent with:

"...Asperger's syndrome, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability...
 
2013-11-14 10:17:57 AM  
Can she not be a graphic artist without the degree?  I mean, how many people look at the results of an artists' work and ask if they have a degree to do it?  I thought that was one of those fields where the end result is what ultimately matters?  It's not like her chosen profession is going to be putting people's lives at risk.
 
2013-11-14 10:20:05 AM  

wiseolddude: I can't type very fast, is there a disorder I can blame for it?


Dyssfappia? Try using two hands
 
2013-11-14 10:20:42 AM  
I actually had some sympathy for her at first.  And then I read FTFA:

The school has offered Valdez extended time on exams, permission to record lectures, free tutoring and note taking, and to substitute the second of the two required math classes with a course on logic, Forsythe wrote in a court filing Monday.


And now I'm in the "shut up and do the work" camp.
 
2013-11-14 10:22:09 AM  
Freeloader...
 
2013-11-14 10:23:11 AM  

basemetal: Disability or not, if you can't meet the requirements to get your art degree..........YOU DON'T GET AN ART DEGREE.


THIS!!! A thousand times THIS!

Also, You don't have to have a farking degree to be an artist!
 
2013-11-14 10:24:14 AM  
So... we should give schizophrenics Psychiatry Degrees by her logic?

yeah,

If you cant do everything to complete a task you don't get to say "Mission Accomplished"
 
2013-11-14 10:26:36 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: So... we should give schizophrenics Psychiatry Degrees by her logic?

yeah,

If you cant do everything to complete a task you don't get to say "Mission Accomplished"


bush.aircraftcarrier.jpg
 
2013-11-14 10:31:25 AM  
In college, I was fine at math.

Which partly explains why I suffered from dyspoonia.
 
2013-11-14 10:33:04 AM  
I know people are making fun of it but everyone knows dyscalcula is real right? It's basically dyslexia only with numbers and it is a very frustrating problem. However, everything I've read about it always has the person doing everything they can to overcome it. Anyone who tries to sue over it is dumb. Also, based on her other disorders there is a high chance she is just making it up.
 
2013-11-14 10:39:01 AM  
I suck at math, I'll admit it. You know what my adviser tells me? Keep taking the class until you pass it. Go to the tutoring center if you need help. I sure as hell haven't thought about asking for a course waiver.

More time on exams seems like the school is being reasonable in this case. Some people do need that. Maybe I'm one of 'em, I haven't tried asking though.
 
2013-11-14 10:40:26 AM  

ThurmanMerman: I actually had some sympathy for her at first.  And then I read FTFA:

The school has offered Valdez extended time on exams, permission to record lectures, free tutoring and note taking, and to substitute the second of the two required math classes with a course on logic, Forsythe wrote in a court filing Monday.


And now I'm in the "shut up and do the work" camp.


And it's not just a tutor who's a grad student, the tutor is a farking professor with special qualifications for teaching those with disabilities. On top of that, as someone already posted, she could fulfill the requirements with two incredibly easy classes. Seriously, Math for Elementary School Teachers? How difficult could that possibly be, especially with a tutor?

The school is bending over backwards. She needs to quit her damned whining.
 
2013-11-14 10:42:30 AM  

buzzcut73: I suck at math, I'll admit it. You know what my adviser tells me? Keep taking the class until you pass it. Go to the tutoring center if you need help. I sure as hell haven't thought about asking for a course waiver.

More time on exams seems like the school is being reasonable in this case. Some people do need that. Maybe I'm one of 'em, I haven't tried asking though.


Also, shiatty teachers
 
2013-11-14 10:45:44 AM  

cryinoutloud: She'll do fine. She'll whine her way into her degree, then she'll whine and brownnose her way into a job doing social work or something, and then she'll work her up the ladder, whining and taking advantage of every single thing she can exploit, and then, because of her hardships and her "handicap", she'll treat everyone in her life like crap, because she's had it so haaarrrrdddddd.

Meanwhile, the guy who just gets up and goes to work every day with no thanks and no special exemptions---he's been laid off. he has to go down and have an "interview" with the nice lady at social services about why he doesn't try harder to get a good job, so that he can get his unemployment. And you know who he has to report to? That's right.........


One of many reasons why I have you in a beautiful shade of green.

Diogenes: Pocket Ninja: Valdez's disabilities include...dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability,

Jesus farking christ.

This is how ridiculous this story is.  It broke Pocket Ninja.


I am so happy that it is a quiet day in the office because I did in fact LOL at this comment.
 
2013-11-14 10:47:07 AM  
Here's the litmus test...would she be ok being operated on by a brain surgeon who received his license after having had to substitute non-medical classes for, say, art?
 
2013-11-14 10:51:03 AM  
But is she hot?

Probably not, given that we're reading a story that could've been solved with a beej a few semesters ago...
 
2013-11-14 10:52:06 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Valdez's disabilities include...dyscalculia, which is a mathematics learning disability,

Jesus farking christ.


If dyscalculia is a real thing, I suspect I'd qualify as having a mild case. I just cannot for the life of me understand spoken multidigit numbers. I have to ask people to slow down to the point where I can process one digit at a time.

I always get laughed at by people who know I'm a physicist when I have to tell them to say their phone number v e r y s l o w l y because I can't hear numbers. They act as if physics lectures were all a prof standing up there reading numbers off.

This girl clearly has bigger issues, though, like living the always drama-filled life of a bipolar.
 
2013-11-14 10:56:51 AM  
Eleventeeen percent of the US population have dyscalculia while the other half do not.
 
2013-11-14 11:05:43 AM  
They offer an Applied Mathematics course. This is the course description:
"This course introduces students to aspects of mathematics that are particularly relevant to art and design. A basic knowledge of mathematics is required (first year of high school level). Topics include: numeric and geometric patters in art and nature (Fibonacci series, tiling), symmetry, perspective, polyhedra, equations and graphs of trajectories, computer graphics, and fractals."

If she made it through high school then she should be able to handle this. If not then she shouldn't have earned a HS diploma.
 
2013-11-14 11:09:36 AM  

Mjeck: buzzcut73: I suck at math, I'll admit it. You know what my adviser tells me? Keep taking the class until you pass it. Go to the tutoring center if you need help. I sure as hell haven't thought about asking for a course waiver.

More time on exams seems like the school is being reasonable in this case. Some people do need that. Maybe I'm one of 'em, I haven't tried asking though.

Also, shiatty teachers


I've had my share of those. Also, shiatty textbooks are never helpful. You know the ones...they explain Calc 1 concepts in words that only a math department Post-doc will understand.
My current professor freely admit the textbook sucks, and that you're pretty much SOL if you miss a lecture, which is why I make damn sure to be there every single day.
 
2013-11-14 11:16:31 AM  
Eh. Had several dys-whatever friends in college. They sucked it up, learned how to work around their hinderances and finished with good to okay grades

Can I wear an onion belt if I graduated in 2006?
 
2013-11-14 11:16:37 AM  

buzzcut73: I suck at math, I'll admit it. You know what my adviser tells me? Keep taking the class until you pass it. Go to the tutoring center if you need help. I sure as hell haven't thought about asking for a course waiver.

More time on exams seems like the school is being reasonable in this case. Some people do need that. Maybe I'm one of 'em, I haven't tried asking though.


I'll just add that my personal advice to people dropping a math class they'll have to retake: keep going to lectures even after you drop. Keep doing the homework, too - your TA or tutor might even be willing to keep marking them - they like students who are trying.

This is unpopular advice, but I've seen too many people who've repeated a course and rock at everything before the drop deadline, but hit a wall afterwards. Sometimes, you just need to see the material twice, and that includes the stuff after the drop deadline.
 
2013-11-14 11:16:49 AM  

buzzcut73: Mjeck: buzzcut73: I suck at math, I'll admit it. You know what my adviser tells me? Keep taking the class until you pass it. Go to the tutoring center if you need help. I sure as hell haven't thought about asking for a course waiver.

More time on exams seems like the school is being reasonable in this case. Some people do need that. Maybe I'm one of 'em, I haven't tried asking though.

Also, shiatty teachers

I've had my share of those. Also, shiatty textbooks are never helpful. You know the ones...they explain Calc 1 concepts in words that only a math department Post-doc will understand.
My current professor freely admit the textbook sucks, and that you're pretty much SOL if you miss a lecture, which is why I make damn sure to be there every single day.


I'm an artist and I struggled with Math in HS. Now I love math. I get it.  Maybe I learn differently,
 
2013-11-14 11:19:35 AM  
Harris questioned the usefulness of the math courses for Valdez's career plans of becoming a graphic artist.
"Nobody will say these general education classes are essential to a degree in art," he said.



And nobody forced her to attend a program that has math requirements.

You don't want gen-eds? Go to a vo-tech.
 
2013-11-14 11:36:32 AM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: themightyboof: If dyscalculia is going to be a thing. Then I want a new word for alcoholism.

Dysoberia?


Dysbottlesnotgonnadrinkitselfia.
 
2013-11-14 11:37:38 AM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: [agallantidea.files.wordpress.com image 277x320]


Art is not for turds.
 
2013-11-14 11:49:43 AM  
Well, I have distaxfilingia, disnicetomomia, and disbeingclothedinpublicia.

So I should be excused from paying the IRS, being polite my mother, and wearing pants.
 
2013-11-14 11:53:32 AM  

Sapper_Topo: One of many reasons why I have you in a beautiful shade of green.


You just did that because we're neighbors.

/Funny, I have you in a beautiful shade of green too.
 
2013-11-14 12:31:04 PM  
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.. don't make me explain it ..
 
2013-11-14 12:32:19 PM  

Literally Addicted: Can she not be a graphic artist without the degree?  I mean, how many people look at the results of an artists' work and ask if they have a degree to do it?  I thought that was one of those fields where the end result is what ultimately matters?  It's not like her chosen profession is going to be putting people's lives at risk.



The work definitely matters more and they will sometimes overlook a lack of degree, but BFA is generally a base requirement for entry level jobs in GD.

/art grad who isn't bad at math.. that's why i work at starbucks

//kidding...for now
 
2013-11-14 12:51:22 PM  

shazbotuh: Literally Addicted: Can she not be a graphic artist without the degree?  I mean, how many people look at the results of an artists' work and ask if they have a degree to do it?  I thought that was one of those fields where the end result is what ultimately matters?  It's not like her chosen profession is going to be putting people's lives at risk.


The work definitely matters more and they will sometimes overlook a lack of degree, but BFA is generally a base requirement for entry level jobs in GD.

/art grad who isn't bad at math.. that's why i work at starbucks

//kidding...for now


A bachelor's degree is generally a base requirement in ALL entry level jobs.  I suspect many of the barristas at Starbucks have a degree under their belt (you can't be stupid and remember all those ridiculous frou frou coffee names).
 
2013-11-14 01:09:40 PM  

Literally Addicted: shazbotuh: Literally Addicted: Can she not be a graphic artist without the degree?  I mean, how many people look at the results of an artists' work and ask if they have a degree to do it?  I thought that was one of those fields where the end result is what ultimately matters?  It's not like her chosen profession is going to be putting people's lives at risk.


The work definitely matters more and they will sometimes overlook a lack of degree, but BFA is generally a base requirement for entry level jobs in GD.

/art grad who isn't bad at math.. that's why i work at starbucks

//kidding...for now

A bachelor's degree is generally a base requirement in ALL entry level jobs.  I suspect many of the barristas at Starbucks have a degree under their belt (you can't be stupid and remember all those ridiculous frou frou coffee names).


You are correct. I was merely pointing out that GD is no different since you were asking.

You are also correct about well-educated baristas... as many folks here are stating, the job market sucks and people are scrambling for jobs wherever the heck they can find them.
 
2013-11-14 01:43:03 PM  

buzzcut73: Mjeck: buzzcut73: I suck at math, I'll admit it. You know what my adviser tells me? Keep taking the class until you pass it. Go to the tutoring center if you need help. I sure as hell haven't thought about asking for a course waiver.

More time on exams seems like the school is being reasonable in this case. Some people do need that. Maybe I'm one of 'em, I haven't tried asking though.

Also, shiatty teachers

I've had my share of those. Also, shiatty textbooks are never helpful. You know the ones...they explain Calc 1 concepts in words that only a math department Post-doc will understand.
My current professor freely admit the textbook sucks, and that you're pretty much SOL if you miss a lecture, which is why I make damn sure to be there every single day.


It really makes me wonder why more professors don't just say "screw it" on the text book and just use their notes. Even charge $10 for the trouble, which goes a long ways in a lecture of 300. Anyone can go buy a calc textbook as supplemental material.

I'm a teaching assistant for calc right now, and those kids never crack the book, and it must be at least $100. Only in my core curriculum did the books have any purpose, and sometimes not even then. For college being a "free thinking" place, it can get stuck so desperately in ruts.
 
2013-11-14 01:52:33 PM  

cryinoutloud: Sapper_Topo: One of many reasons why I have you in a beautiful shade of green.

You just did that because we're neighbors.

/Funny, I have you in a beautiful shade of green too.


I have you both in a beautiful shade of green. Let's hang out.
 
2013-11-14 02:13:30 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: cryinoutloud: Sapper_Topo: One of many reasons why I have you in a beautiful shade of green.
You just did that because we're neighbors.
/Funny, I have you in a beautiful shade of green too.
I have you both in a beautiful shade of green. Let's hang out.


I have you farkied as "ask him for a job" for some reason. Hey, can you give me a job?
 
2013-11-14 02:15:03 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: So... we should give schizophrenics Psychiatry Degrees by her logic?

yeah,

If you cant do everything to complete a task you don't get to say "Mission Accomplished"


Schizophrenics do get Psychiatry degrees. Not automatically though, they have to work at it.

See:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elyn_Saks
 
2013-11-14 03:08:20 PM  
I'm not sure it really qualifies as a protected disability.

But it must suck to be too stupid to get a art degree.
 
2013-11-14 04:44:30 PM  

ThurmanMerman: I actually had some sympathy for her at first.  And then I read FTFA:

The school has offered Valdez extended time on exams, permission to record lectures, free tutoring and note taking, and to substitute the second of the two required math classes with a course on logic, Forsythe wrote in a court filing Monday.


And now I'm in the "shut up and do the work" camp.


This.  The college is willing to give her extra resources so she'll have a fighting chance of making it through these necessary math courses.  She just don't want to have to exert herself to try.  That doesn't speak well for her work ethic if she does manage to get her degree and become a graphic artist or whatever.

/failed calc twice at my old community college
//about to go back to school for an astronomy degree
///I'll keep  trying until I kick calc's butt
////my slashies never come in threes
 
2013-11-14 06:01:54 PM  

cryinoutloud: Fuggin Bizzy: cryinoutloud: Sapper_Topo: One of many reasons why I have you in a beautiful shade of green.
You just did that because we're neighbors.
/Funny, I have you in a beautiful shade of green too.
I have you both in a beautiful shade of green. Let's hang out.

I have you farkied as "ask him for a job" for some reason. Hey, can you give me a job?


Sure, here you go. Tell 'em 173411494 sent ya.
 
2013-11-15 07:09:53 AM  

ZAZ: I have dysdysia, an aversion to claims that making up a name with a "dys" prefix means I need to care about the condition.


LMAO....This girl I guess is being "dyssed" by the school...
 
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