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2013-11-14 11:04:53 AM

RexTalionis: Yeah, I've been listening to the city's school problems for years through WNYC. Never experienced it myself since I don't live in the city itself, but it sounds like Bloomberg's been screwing poor people for the last decade.


Ever try screwing a rich person? It can be expensive and/or dangerous.
 
2013-11-14 11:08:19 AM

CPennypacker: What did DiBlasio do? Cancel plans to turn a school into luxury condos? Darling emperor bloomberg turns everything into luxury condos. I set a box down once on the sidewalk when I was moving into a new apartment and when I came back it had a farking roof deck and a door man.


Now that's funny. Gentrify or die!
 
2013-11-14 11:08:31 AM
FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses
 
2013-11-14 11:11:55 AM

Headso: Gulper Eel: xsarien: The election was a landslide for a reason

Yeah, there are five Democrats for every one Republican in New York City. It's hard for even NYC Democrats to screw up with a head start like that but damned if they don't pull it off once in a while.

Democrats screw up so bad that there are 5 democrats for every 1 republican in NYC? They probably hope they screw up that bad on the national level.


Nationally Lhota could pass as a moderate Dem. pro choice, pro marriage equality, demand that all new development on land acquired from the city provide low income housing. Nationally DeBlasio would require some new labels be invented since Obama already represents "socialism" in the amber waves of grain.
 
2013-11-14 11:14:40 AM

flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses


IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt. They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors
 
2013-11-14 11:22:42 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: I see skullkrusher has successfully destroyed another thread.


And nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-11-14 11:22:57 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: AMonkey'sUncle: A neighbor swears by his son's charter school. Said the kid was being hampered by the teachers having to slow lessons down for English-as-a-second-language pupils.

When I attended the public schools here, everyone spoke 'Merican.

When my family came to Greece in the late 40s/early 50s as refugees from the Greek civil war, the youngest sibling (my great uncle) had to attend special ed classes until his English caught up. In New York. 60+ years ago.

/Ended up a prolific journalist and author
//Also the first to hear the Watergate tapes

CSB:

When I went to Stuyvesant, a goodly percentage of my classmates were of Greek background. They had the advantage of being able to talk about the rest of us, without our being able to understand.


It is the same now, just in Korean or Chinese.
 
2013-11-14 11:23:40 AM

dynomutt: The job isn't done until the XXX PEEP SHOWs come back to Times Square, sorry.


Show World Center is still over on 8th ave, but the rest of Times Sq. could sure use a little more sleaze.
 
2013-11-14 11:24:51 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.


That's also the labor model that is screwing up the mediocre and bad charter schools. It takes a while for teachers to get a handle on managing a classroom. It's even harder when classes are larger. The average tenure of these young, idealistic teachers is three years most of them will just not be effective during those three years, especially since most of them have no training in teaching and classroom management.

Charter schools that are effective tend to follow the model used by the more effective private schools. Starting teachers are paid less, but pay equalizes as teachers gain experience. Teachers stick around because class sizes are much, much smaller. There is significantly less red tape in the better private schools. Teachers have more autonomy, and they have more control to actually teach.

Now, I am not suggesting that all private schools are great. There are certainly issues with a number of schools, but the better charter schools model themselves after the better private schools. And that is something that will never happen in public schools while thousands of different boards of eds are doing things thousands of different ways, and the one thing they all seem to agree on is that teachers are bad.
 
2013-11-14 11:30:41 AM

skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses

 . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?
 
2013-11-14 11:34:11 AM
How do you guys feel about online charter schools?

Basically, charter homeschools?
 
2013-11-14 11:39:59 AM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?


Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown. Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not. Ooh this printer got 4/5 stars. Let me check the details to see if it meets my needs. 1/5 stars? No thanks, no need for nuance.
B grade? That sounds satisfactory. D? Wow, that's bad. Let's find out why

Sounds like a bone to Randi to
me
 
2013-11-14 11:46:19 AM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?

Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown.


Because a lot of people won't look past the letter grade and make a lot of assumptions based on them.

 Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not.

They also don't review schools, and a bad grade won't result in the shuttering of a company. At worst, this will merely lead to people actually reading the breakdown.
 
2013-11-14 11:46:22 AM

sendtodave: How do you guys feel about online charter schools?

Basically, charter homeschools?


University of Fenix worked for me

Mostly played Gears of War
 
2013-11-14 11:52:05 AM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?

Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown.

Because a lot of people won't look past the letter grade and make a lot of assumptions based on them.

 Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not.

They also don't review schools, and a bad grade won't result in the shuttering of a company. At worst, this will merely lead to people actually reading the breakdown.


That's the real fear, isn't it? Parents might have an easy way to know where their school stands and we cant have that. If all schools had A and B grades, would the letter grades be such a terrible thing?
 
2013-11-14 11:56:58 AM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?

Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown.

Because a lot of people won't look past the letter grade and make a lot of assumptions based on them.

 Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not.

They also don't review schools, and a bad grade won't result in the shuttering of a company. At worst, this will merely lead to people actually reading the breakdown.

That's the real fear, isn't it? Parents might have an easy way to know where their school stands and we cant have that.


Fear? Reading is easy.

If all schools had A and B grades, would the letter grades be such a terrible thing?

They'd be mostly useless.
 
2013-11-14 12:08:01 PM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?

Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown.

Because a lot of people won't look past the letter grade and make a lot of assumptions based on them.

 Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not.

They also don't review schools, and a bad grade won't result in the shuttering of a company. At worst, this will merely lead to people actually reading the breakdown.

That's the real fear, isn't it? Parents might have an easy way to know where their school stands and we cant have that.

Fear? Reading is easy.

If all schools had A and B grades, would the letter grades be such a terrible thing?

They'd be mostly useless.


Letter grades are easier. They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report. They fought tooth and nail against having teacher reviews made public. Then it was allegedly because they were inaccurate.

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts. Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.
 
2013-11-14 12:14:45 PM

skullkrusher: Letter grades are easier.


They alsodo not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.

They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report.

They who? Are you agreeing that getting rid of the letter grades is good then? People will actually have to read the whole report, right?

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts.

That's not very surprising, as this isn't a thread about restaurants.

 Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.

Right, there's very little daylight between schools and restaurants and the criteria on which they might be judged. Listen to yourself.
 
2013-11-14 12:17:28 PM

sendtodave: Basically, charter homeschools?


www.skool.com
 
2013-11-14 12:25:36 PM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: Letter grades are easier.

They alsodo not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.

They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report.

They who? Are you agreeing that getting rid of the letter grades is good then? People will actually have to read the whole report, right?

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts.

That's not very surprising, as this isn't a thread about restaurants.

 Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.

Right, there's very little daylight between schools and restaurants and the criteria on which they might be judged. Listen to yourself.


The nuanced portrait is provided by the breakdown. The letter grade is a summary of that breakdown. The point is not to compare schools and restaurants. It's to point out the disparity and motivation behind policy. The lack of "nuance" behind a C grade restaurant is of no concern but it's a terrible lack of nuance when applied to a school. Having a quick way to judge a child's education is less important than knowing how clean Tony's Pizza is. This has nothing to do with the teacher's union. Nope.
 
2013-11-14 12:51:29 PM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: Letter grades are easier.

They alsodo not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.

They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report.

They who? Are you agreeing that getting rid of the letter grades is good then? People will actually have to read the whole report, right?

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts.

That's not very surprising, as this isn't a thread about restaurants.

 Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.

Right, there's very little daylight between schools and restaurants and the criteria on which they might be judged. Listen to yourself.

The nuanced portrait is provided by the breakdown. The letter grade is a summary of that breakdown. The point is not to compare schools and restaurants. It's to point out the disparity and motivation behind policy.


There's no disparity, schools aren't restaurants.

 The lack of "nuance" behind a C grade restaurant is of no concern but it's a terrible lack of nuance when applied to a school.

Correct.

 Having a quick way to judge a child's education is less important than knowing how clean Tony's Pizza is. This has nothing to do with the teacher's union. Nope.

You're acting like the food industry is somehow powerless in the city. Have you asked Mayor Elect de Blasio about his position on letter grades for restaurants?
 
2013-11-14 01:00:55 PM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: Letter grades are easier.

They alsodo not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.

They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report.

They who? Are you agreeing that getting rid of the letter grades is good then? People will actually have to read the whole report, right?

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts.

That's not very surprising, as this isn't a thread about restaurants.

 Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.

Right, there's very little daylight between schools and restaurants and the criteria on which they might be judged. Listen to yourself.

The nuanced portrait is provided by the breakdown. The letter grade is a summary of that breakdown. The point is not to compare schools and restaurants. It's to point out the disparity and motivation behind policy.

There's no disparity, schools aren't restaurants.

 The lack of "nuance" behind a C grade restaurant is of no concern but it's a terrible lack of nuance when applied to a school.

Correct.

 Having a quick way to judge a child's education is less important than knowing how clean Tony's Pizza is. This has nothing to do with the teacher's union. Nope.

You're acting like the food industry is somehow powerless in the city. Have you asked Mayor Elect de Blasio about his position on letter grades for restaurants?


I'm not acting that way at all. No I haven't had the pleasure of meeting him yet. However, when Quinn suggested she would fix the health dept fines system as it is "nickel and diming" restaurants, DeBlasio said that was a "cynical ploy". He doesn't seem terribly concerned about the lack of nuance in fines either.

He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him. Good job
 
2013-11-14 01:20:32 PM

BSABSVR: Is every DeBlasio thread going to involve the sky falling? It's amazing how Michael Bloomberg, gun-hatin' moral scold who wanted to take muh sody pops turned into the man who single-handedly kept New York from the abyss overnight.


Right after De Blasio won, the local Fox 5 reporter stated how he was going to introduce extreme liberalism.
 
2013-11-14 01:24:15 PM

NeverDrunk23: Right after De Blasio won, the local Fox 5 reporter stated how he was going to introduce extreme liberalism.


And then during commercial break, they bought time interviewing a former American Idol contestant while handlers scoured the streets, making sure Greg Kelly hadn't raped anybody.
 
2013-11-14 01:34:23 PM

Gulper Eel: xsarien: The election was a landslide for a reason

Yeah, there are five Democrats for every one Republican in New York City. It's hard for even NYC Democrats to screw up with a head start like that but damned if they don't pull it off once in a while.


Welcome to NYC, where there's no law requiring a Democrat to vote for a Democrat or a Republican to vote for a Republican.

/ How's life in 'Murica?
 
2013-11-14 01:35:43 PM

EyeballKid: NeverDrunk23: Right after De Blasio won, the local Fox 5 reporter stated how he was going to introduce extreme liberalism.

And then during commercial break, they bought time interviewing a former American Idol contestant while handlers scoured the streets, making sure Greg Kelly hadn't raped anybody.


You take that back. Greg Kelly is a national treasure. And also never charged with rape
 
2013-11-14 01:38:50 PM

skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.


False dilemma.
 
2013-11-14 01:39:45 PM

dynomutt: The job isn't done until the XXX PEEP SHOWs come back to Times Square, sorry.


If they bring back the grindhouse movie theaters I will travel to NYC and spend some money
 
2013-11-14 01:47:23 PM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits


Why would republicans support such a socialst concept?
 
2013-11-14 01:50:53 PM

skullkrusher: You take that back. Greg Kelly is a national treasure. And also never charged with rape


Really? Must have known somebody.
 
2013-11-14 01:51:22 PM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.


In what regard. That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades. Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat. What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating? No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school. Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

Pretend DeBlasio was a Republican and the letter grades were applied to corporate environmental protections.
 
2013-11-14 01:52:39 PM

spongeboob: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits

Why would republicans support such a socialst concept?


Because nyc republicans aren't very republicany?
 
2013-11-14 01:53:32 PM

EyeballKid: skullkrusher: You take that back. Greg Kelly is a national treasure. And also never charged with rape

Really? Must have known somebody.


Yeah. A girl who lied about getting raped by him
 
2013-11-14 02:12:27 PM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.


I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.
 
2013-11-14 02:35:43 PM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.


Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement. It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.
 
2013-11-14 02:41:03 PM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.

Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement.


So it's not really a detriment.

 It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.

You keep saying this, and appear to be rebutting an argument that was never made.
 
2013-11-14 02:44:32 PM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.

Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement.

So it's not really a detriment.

 It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.

You keep saying this, and appear to be rebutting an argument that was never made.


His argument is that letter grades lack nuance and that's why they must be eliminated. No word on what nuance makes an F school not a shiathole. It's pretty straightforward.
 
2013-11-14 02:54:04 PM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.

Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement.

So it's not really a detriment.

 It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.

You keep saying this, and appear to be rebutting an argument that was never made.

His argument is that letter grades lack nuance and that's why they must be eliminated. No word on what nuance makes an F school not a shiathole. It's pretty straightforward.


No. I can't even really see a path of thinking that leads you here.

"Letter grades don't tell the whole story" doesn't mean "This failing school isn't failing".
 
2013-11-14 04:24:39 PM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.

Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement.

So it's not really a detriment.

 It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.

You keep saying this, and appear to be rebutting an argument that was never made.

His argument is that letter grades lack nuance and that's why they must be eliminated. No word on what nuance makes an F school not a shiathole. It's pretty straightforward.

No. I can't even really see a path of thinking that leads you here.

"Letter grades don't tell the whole story" doesn't mean "This failing school isn't failing".


The letter grade system contains the full story. It just summarizes the story in a way some segments of NYC would prefer obscured
 
2013-11-14 04:31:47 PM

skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much


Yeah, the new(ish) voting system is a little farked in terms of privacy. There's not much point to the little folder thing when you have to whip out the bubbled in ballot to feed it into the scanner. And the spacing makes it pretty easy to see who you voted for even from a decent distance. I don't really care myself , but I could imagine a situation where you wouldn't want your crackpot right wing neighbor whose using the scanner next to you to see you voted a straight socialist workers party ticket (and vice versa). Also, handing in your signed numbered c
 
2013-11-14 04:34:34 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Yeah, the new(ish) voting system is a little farked in terms of privacy. There's not much point to the little folder thing when you have to whip out the bubbled in ballot to feed it into the scanner. And the spacing makes it pretty easy to see who you voted for even from a decent distance. I don't really care myself , but I could imagine a situation where you wouldn't want your crackpot right wing neighbor whose using the scanner next to you to see you voted a straight socialist workers party ticket (and vice versa). Also, handing in your signed numbered c


[farking phone]

card u get when signing in when u vote seems creepy too.

On the good side it looked like the machines had a print backup of votes being cast. A little harder to play around w electronic voting at least.
 
2013-11-14 04:47:54 PM

glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.


His track record aside, the electronic NYC voting machines are pretty not private in a couple ways. See my above post.
 
2013-11-14 04:50:49 PM
Rather than worry about the school, I must admit I am a fan of restoring and even expanding public defecation.
 
2013-11-14 04:55:18 PM

skullkrusher: The letter grade system contains the full story.


That's not really possible.

 It just summarizes the story in a way some segments of NYC would prefer obscured

So they're obscuring a single letter by providing a detailed report? That makes sense to you?
 
2013-11-14 06:09:05 PM

Gulper Eel: Wall Street is to NYC what the auto industry was to Detroit,


No, it's not. Wall St. has been moving out for a few decades. And NYC has far more variety of businesses in play. This is a very simplistic view of NYC.
 
2013-11-14 06:26:48 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Gulper Eel: Wall Street is to NYC what the auto industry was to Detroit,

No, it's not. Wall St. has been moving out for a few decades. And NYC has far more variety of businesses in play. This is a very simplistic view of NYC.


Of course that was completely wrong, but what he really meant to say is that public policy must always put the interests of the rich ahead of everything else, or else they'll go away to some place where they won't be taxed, like England!!!

Oh God I just laughed so hard I almost got a hernia.
 
2013-11-14 09:00:05 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: No, it's not. Wall St. has been moving out for a few decades. And NYC has far more variety of businesses in play.


Variety doesn't hurt, of course.

But when it comes to who's kicking in the most money to the taxman - which is what's really going to matter to DeBlasio when it comes time to keep all those promises he made - that tiny part of Lower Manhattan accounts for 14-20% of the state's tax revenue and 7-13% of the city's tax collections.

He has to make nice with them, because it's easier than ever before for companies to bail.
 
2013-11-14 09:45:57 PM

Gulper Eel: keep all those promises he made


Let's see how many he actually can get beyond the City Council and Albany and then let's see where we are first. Also, I don't see where he will tax businesses, just rich people. They are certainly free to move out, and they have taken over large parts of the city and screwed up the real estate market for generations to come. I am part of the 4%, and I can't afford much of the NY that I grew up with.
 
2013-11-15 12:21:35 AM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

His track record aside, the electronic NYC voting machines are pretty not private in a couple ways. See my above post.


Yeah, and like I said in a later post (I think, the gin is hittin me pretty he'd right now), I'm sure that kind of thing happens, but I wouldn't put it past him to lie about it personally happening to him just to have something to biatch about here on fark.
 
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