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2013-11-14 09:43:46 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.


This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks
 
2013-11-14 09:45:24 AM  

Ned Stark: Rather like the public schtuools.


By most measures yeah, there's no real difference between them. It's just a push for businesses to get a cut of public school funding for no reason other than because they want it. The performance results generally show that the "free market education" idea has no bearing on educational success.
 
2013-11-14 09:45:36 AM  

skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC


No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.
 
2013-11-14 09:47:33 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.


As opposed to the old, indifferent, expensive teachers that work in public schools?
 
2013-11-14 09:48:31 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.


Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

How many of Bloomies buddies are getting rich off the system? That's the comment that caused you to shiat your pants, as you recall.
 
2013-11-14 09:48:34 AM  

skullkrusher: I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose.


Oh. You view discussion as something one can win or lose. That must be what makes you such an absolute joy.
 
2013-11-14 09:48:47 AM  

Gulper Eel: Wall Street is to NYC what the auto industry was to Detroit,


Oddly enough, Bloomberg started a rather large push to chip away at that. Trying to build an environment for tech/biotech start ups and such.

Obviously, finance is still dominant but everyone is keenly aware why that's a weakness now.
 
2013-11-14 09:49:27 AM  
Christ, we billed four times' the teachers' hourly rates for "remedial" math and English at one of the for-profits in Brooklyn and they didn't bat an eye.
 
2013-11-14 09:51:20 AM  

EyeballKid: skullkrusher: I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose.

Oh. You view discussion as something one can win or lose. That must be what makes you such an absolute joy.


Hahaha yeah, the shiat you fools try is "discussion".
 
2013-11-14 09:52:24 AM  
Okay, here's how the school situation in NYC goes, as I understand it:

Bloomberg issues letter grades to schools on how they're doing. Invariably, for some unfathomable reason, all of the failing schools happen to be in minority heavy neighborhoods which don't have enough funding to deal with all the special needs and ESL students. The schools in the wealthy neighborhoods are just fine.

Bloomberg cuts funding to the minority-heavy neighborhood schools with low funding and bad letter grades. These schools get worse from budget shortfalls. Bloomberg gives them more failing grades. Then, Bloomberg will, pretty much unilaterally, close down the schools because they were failing. Now minority-heavy neighborhoods are losing their schools.

Bloomberg give charter schools favorable leases in the old school buildings so the old public school buildings now hold 3 or 4 different charter schools. The charter schools all have to share the same limited resources in the building (auditoriums, for instance, or computer labs). Also, since charter school admissions are done by lottery when there are more students than available seats, poor minority students might be forced to travel across town because no local charter school will take them.

Fark Bloomberg. He is a terrible mayor.
 
2013-11-14 09:52:54 AM  

skullkrusher: Hahaha yeah, the shiat you fools try is "discussion".


But, of course, it's nothing "you" try that isn't worthy of discussion. It's everybody else who's ruining it, not you. OK. The term "fevered ego" comes to mind...
 
2013-11-14 09:54:00 AM  

skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?


So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?
 
2013-11-14 09:54:52 AM  

skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks


Whatever strokes your ego little man.
 
2013-11-14 09:54:52 AM  

skullkrusher: You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes"


Hey now.   Do not knock tedious and preferably bad jokes.  It is farks bread and butter.
 
2013-11-14 09:57:57 AM  
I know nothing of NYC school system history or current status, but it is stupid to already be complaining about someone who has yet to take office.
 
2013-11-14 09:58:31 AM  

skullkrusher: Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

How many of Bloomies buddies are getting rich off the system? That's the comment that caused you to shiat your pants, as you recall.


Er, Eva Moskowitz was already mentioned. She's one of the biggest offenders; Success Academy has absolutely no cost controls and is one of the biggest leeches on the host schools. Marc Sternberg is going to end up indicted in a couple of years.
 
2013-11-14 10:00:07 AM  

Ned Stark: captainktainer: The letter grades are appallingly stupid, and I'm not surprised that Jeb Bush is pushing for them. When I had to go to school in Florida, I was at one of the best schools in the entire state - a rare oasis of good teaching in a wasteland of derp. And yet the stupid Bush administration would switch between an A and B every year because of minor, random fluctuations in test scores - the school was already performing as well as it could given the level of funding and quality of students brought up from lower grades, and when your graduation rate is 99% or whatever, you don't really have room to go up. This cost administrators and teachers huge amounts of money in bonuses, and ended up driving some of the best to emigrate to other states or switch to private schools - and that did kill the school about four years after I graduated.

Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

Rather like the public schtuools.


This sounds like something German that I would google and then need mindbleach for.
 
2013-11-14 10:00:59 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I know nothing of NYC school system history or current status, but it is stupid to already be complaining about someone who has yet to take office.


Have you learned nothing? I foresee today being Rush Limbaugh's "I hope he fails" moment for DeBlasio. I'm certain his inauguration will be followed up with a report on how New York City is now in a crisis that likes of which no liberal plan can heal.

Wanna bet the murders in NYC start getting more attention among right-wingers now? The GOP knows whenever a Democrat is in charge, none of his/her policy suggestions go into action until they solve every murder in their home city.
 
2013-11-14 10:01:17 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I know nothing of NYC school system history or current status, but it is stupid to already be complaining about someone who has yet to take office.


But his son has an afro!  You can't tell me that doesn't just send shivers down your spine!  Truly, this way something wicked comes.
 
2013-11-14 10:03:11 AM  

RexTalionis: Okay, here's how the school situation in NYC goes, as I understand it:

Bloomberg issues letter grades to schools on how they're doing. Invariably, for some unfathomable reason, all of the failing schools happen to be in minority heavy neighborhoods which don't have enough funding to deal with all the special needs and ESL students. The schools in the wealthy neighborhoods are just fine.

Bloomberg cuts funding to the minority-heavy neighborhood schools with low funding and bad letter grades. These schools get worse from budget shortfalls. Bloomberg gives them more failing grades. Then, Bloomberg will, pretty much unilaterally, close down the schools because they were failing. Now minority-heavy neighborhoods are losing their schools.

Bloomberg give charter schools favorable leases in the old school buildings so the old public school buildings now hold 3 or 4 different charter schools. The charter schools all have to share the same limited resources in the building (auditoriums, for instance, or computer labs). Also, since charter school admissions are done by lottery when there are more students than available seats, poor minority students might be forced to travel across town because no local charter school will take them.

Fark Bloomberg. He is a terrible mayor.


You have the right of it, except that the lottery is itself a scam. You're strongly "encouraged" not to apply if your child has any special needs whatsover, and they can and will drive out the sped kids. One of my friends got blacklisted for complaining about that abuse, and his teaching cert has been unusable in the city since. We couldn't find a lawyer willing to take on Klein; the public advocate heard about it but we couldn't prove it to his satisfaction. DeBlasio can be kind of a coward, although I don't blame him too much on this one.

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

It's pretty classic.
 
2013-11-14 10:03:28 AM  

EyeballKid: Wanna bet the murders in NYC start getting more attention among right-wingers now?


If they go up because stop-and-frisk ends, then yeah, you probably will here from some of the more fascist right-wingers.  Neither you nor anyone else will care (and neocons won't genuinely care) because those shot will be 95% poor and black.
 
2013-11-14 10:05:59 AM  

EyeballKid: skullkrusher: Hahaha yeah, the shiat you fools try is "discussion".

But, of course, it's nothing "you" try that isn't worthy of discussion. It's everybody else who's ruining it, not you. OK. The term "fevered ego" comes to mind...


What do I "try"? I respond to nonsense and people get terribly upset when their nonsense is called out. Then other idiots come in to circle the wagons and defend the nonsense. They do so unsuccessfully, they claim victory, talk about how I'm a troll but no one with half a brain believes them
 
2013-11-14 10:06:17 AM  

FLMountainMan: EyeballKid: Wanna bet the murders in NYC start getting more attention among right-wingers now?

If they go up because stop-and-frisk ends, then yeah, you probably will here from some of the more fascist right-wingers.  Neither you nor anyone else will care (and neocons won't genuinely care) because those shot will be 95% poor and black.


They just mentioned on NPR today how stop and frisk had a 1/10th of 1% success rate in catching "violent offenders" That number is probably mostly made up of people resisting arrest or assaulting a police officer who is trying to frisk your junk because you are black.
 
2013-11-14 10:06:39 AM  

captainktainer: RexTalionis: Okay, here's how the school situation in NYC goes, as I understand it:

Bloomberg issues letter grades to schools on how they're doing. Invariably, for some unfathomable reason, all of the failing schools happen to be in minority heavy neighborhoods which don't have enough funding to deal with all the special needs and ESL students. The schools in the wealthy neighborhoods are just fine.

Bloomberg cuts funding to the minority-heavy neighborhood schools with low funding and bad letter grades. These schools get worse from budget shortfalls. Bloomberg gives them more failing grades. Then, Bloomberg will, pretty much unilaterally, close down the schools because they were failing. Now minority-heavy neighborhoods are losing their schools.

Bloomberg give charter schools favorable leases in the old school buildings so the old public school buildings now hold 3 or 4 different charter schools. The charter schools all have to share the same limited resources in the building (auditoriums, for instance, or computer labs). Also, since charter school admissions are done by lottery when there are more students than available seats, poor minority students might be forced to travel across town because no local charter school will take them.

Fark Bloomberg. He is a terrible mayor.

You have the right of it, except that the lottery is itself a scam. You're strongly "encouraged" not to apply if your child has any special needs whatsover, and they can and will drive out the sped kids. One of my friends got blacklisted for complaining about that abuse, and his teaching cert has been unusable in the city since. We couldn't find a lawyer willing to take on Klein; the public advocate heard about it but we couldn't prove it to his satisfaction. DeBlasio can be kind of a coward, although I don't blame him too much on this one.

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

It's pretty classic.


Yeah, I've been listening to the city's school problems for years through WNYC. Never experienced it myself since I don't live in the city itself, but it sounds like Bloomberg's been screwing poor people for the last decade.
 
2013-11-14 10:06:51 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?


No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right
 
2013-11-14 10:07:50 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.


Does it work out to more than $20 grand per kid?

New York Per-Student Spending Higher Than Anywhere Else In U.S., Census Bureau Finds

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05 /23/new-york-student-spending-ce n sus_n_3322237.html
 
2013-11-14 10:08:07 AM  

captainktainer: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.

Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.


Oh, I don't doubt that it happens, poll workers are human after all, and mistakes happen. But coming from skully there, well, let's just say if he claimed the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and have a look for myself.
 
2013-11-14 10:08:16 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

How many of Bloomies buddies are getting rich off the system? That's the comment that caused you to shiat your pants, as you recall.

Er, Eva Moskowitz was already mentioned. She's one of the biggest offenders; Success Academy has absolutely no cost controls and is one of the biggest leeches on the host schools. Marc Sternberg is going to end up indicted in a couple of years.


I'll defer to you on the topic
 
2013-11-14 10:09:13 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

How many of Bloomies buddies are getting rich off the system? That's the comment that caused you to shiat your pants, as you recall.

Er, Eva Moskowitz was already mentioned. She's one of the biggest offenders; Success Academy has absolutely no cost controls and is one of the biggest leeches on the host schools. Marc Sternberg is going to end up indicted in a couple of years.


If you think that your employer is engaging in fraud, you might want to report that.

Or not, whatever.
 
2013-11-14 10:09:14 AM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.


Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me
 
2013-11-14 10:10:30 AM  

glmorrs1: captainktainer: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.

Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.

Oh, I don't doubt that it happens, poll workers are human after all, and mistakes happen. But coming from skully there, well, let's just say if he claimed the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and have a look for myself.


Still waiting on those examples. You're not going to provide them, are you?
 
2013-11-14 10:11:40 AM  

skullkrusher: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Yeah? Which track record is that? You have an example or 2? What about my little story is so unbelievable? Have you ever voted in NYC? There are election volunteers helping people at the
machines. If the machine isn't taking the ballot, they try to determine why. I live on the UWS where I am probably the only one who didn't vote for DeBlasio. Really stings when you're trying to nail someone and just come out looking the fool, doesn't it?


Dude, I've been around here for a while. I know your game, you're a contrarian. I've had you farkied as "Thinks trolling is playing devil's advocate" for a couple years at least.
 
2013-11-14 10:14:18 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right


What topic? Someone said they're cheaper than public schools, he disagreed. You allude to him representing a particular group, one that would have a vested interest in making that argument. It turns out the opposite is true, so then you accuse him of hypocrisy.

Maybe I missed something?
 
2013-11-14 10:16:31 AM  

glmorrs1: skullkrusher: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Yeah? Which track record is that? You have an example or 2? What about my little story is so unbelievable? Have you ever voted in NYC? There are election volunteers helping people at the
machines. If the machine isn't taking the ballot, they try to determine why. I live on the UWS where I am probably the only one who didn't vote for DeBlasio. Really stings when you're trying to nail someone and just come out looking the fool, doesn't it?

Dude, I've been around here for a while. I know your game, you're a contrarian. I've had you farkied as "Thinks trolling is playing devil's advocate" for a couple years at least.


I'm certainly contrarian but that's mainly because so much of what is said here is contrary to reality. And I like to argue. Not trolling
 
2013-11-14 10:17:47 AM  

skullkrusher: glmorrs1: captainktainer: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.

Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.

Oh, I don't doubt that it happens, poll workers are human after all, and mistakes happen. But coming from skully there, well, let's just say if he claimed the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and have a look for myself.

Still waiting on those examples. You're not going to provide them, are you?


No man, I don't have time to cite every thread you've been in.
 
2013-11-14 10:18:02 AM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.

Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me


No most people just don't take you seriously. You're like a little yappy dog that tries to get attention and pretend to know everything. The sad part is you don't realize how silly you actually look. But keep on "winning" the Internet. That trophy should be coming any day now.
 
2013-11-14 10:19:52 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right

What topic? Someone said they're cheaper than public schools, he disagreed. You allude to him representing a particular group, one that would have a vested interest in making that argument. It turns out the opposite is true, so then you accuse him of hypocrisy.

Maybe I missed something?


Wasn't talking about whether they're cheaper. Talking about your comment that charter schools are get richer schemes by Bloomie's buddies. They are non profits and only 9% employ external for profit management companies. He works for one while talking about how they're scams and criminals.
 
2013-11-14 10:21:07 AM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.

Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me

No most people just don't take you seriously. You're like a little yappy dog that tries to get attention and pretend to know everything. The sad part is you don't realize how silly you actually look. But keep on "winning" the Internet. That trophy should be coming any day now.


I'll have to disagree. I often have good conversations with thoughtful liberals. You're not one so I suppose that's why you think this way
 
2013-11-14 10:24:56 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right

What topic? Someone said they're cheaper than public schools, he disagreed. You allude to him representing a particular group, one that would have a vested interest in making that argument. It turns out the opposite is true, so then you accuse him of hypocrisy.

Maybe I missed something?

Wasn't talking about whether they're cheaper.


The post you replied to was pretty specifically talking about costs.

Talking about your comment that charter schools are get richer schemes by Bloomie's buddies. They are non profits and only 9% employ external for profit management companies. He works for one while talking about how they're scams and criminals.

But he clearly knows what he's talking about, which kind of ruined your effort to smear him as the clueless opposition.
 
2013-11-14 10:25:15 AM  

sendtodave: If you think that your employer is engaging in fraud, you might want to report that.

Or not, whatever.


Had these conversations already. Picking your battles is hard. Getting rid of Joe Klein was a necessary precondition. The problem with Moskowitz is that what she does is horrible but legal, and that's why we had to replace the administration so other people could stop getting stonewalled. Bloomberg, Quinn, and a lot of the City Council that was just replaced were huge enablers. We are actually getting action on the special ed thing.

As for Sternberg, no further comment.

sendtodave: Does it work out to more than $20 grand per kid?


Yes, actually, not accounting for special ed. Remember, costs per student are driven up across the system because of the need to subsidize the charter schools - you have to cover land and maintenance and everything else for them, while the charter school covers nothing of that sort (which is why DeBlasio proposed charging rents). Charter schools get to socialize the special ed students out; if you have anything worse than ADHD, verbal processing disorders, or comparatively mild autism the charter schools effectively don't need to cover that.

Harlem Children's Academy is one of the rare cases where total spending is higher but it's for a good cause, and they're the only non-SUNY charter school that's ever demanded teachers' notes or bothered to check in on progress. They're pretty much the only charter school that helps out with students' lives, too. It's one of the rare examples of a successful charter school, although it really only works because outside donors have made it so well-funded as part of a propaganda operation. Teachers work for peanuts, though, and while turnover is less than at other charter schools there are enough starry-eyed TFA types (though few actual TFA alumni) that they don't have the churn that a lot of these places do.
 
2013-11-14 10:27:44 AM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.

Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me

No most people just don't take you seriously. You're like a little yappy dog that tries to get attention and pretend to know everything. The sad part is you don't realize how silly you actually look. But keep on "winning" the Internet. That trophy should be coming any day now.

I'll have to disagree. I often have good conversations with thoughtful liberals. You're not one so I suppose that's why you think this way


No I just got tired of your bullshait. You're not a very "thoughtful" person or even a very bright one. You're the "arguing on the Internet" meme personified.
 
2013-11-14 10:32:01 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right

What topic? Someone said they're cheaper than public schools, he disagreed. You allude to him representing a particular group, one that would have a vested interest in making that argument. It turns out the opposite is true, so then you accuse him of hypocrisy.

Maybe I missed something?

Wasn't talking about whether they're cheaper.

The post you replied to was pretty specifically talking about costs.

Talking about your comment that charter schools are get richer schemes by Bloomie's buddies. They are non profits and only 9% employ external for profit management companies. He works for one while talking about how they're scams and criminals.

But he clearly knows what he's talking about, which kind of ruined your effort to smear him as the clueless opposition.


I suppose it was a non sequitur. Again, he either for a company in an industry which works with 9% of NYC charter schools. Your attempt to smear a very popular program and relying on anecdotal information which applies to 9% of that program isn't terribly effective
 
2013-11-14 10:34:12 AM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.

Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me

No most people just don't take you seriously. You're like a little yappy dog that tries to get attention and pretend to know everything. The sad part is you don't realize how silly you actually look. But keep on "winning" the Internet. That trophy should be coming any day now.

I'll have to disagree. I often have good conversations with thoughtful liberals. You're not one so I suppose that's why you think this way

No I just got tired of your bullshait. You're not a very "thoughtful" person or even a very bright one. You're the "arguing on the Internet" meme personified.


Again, my "bullshiat" is the same it always was. Your desire to talk nonsense and have it echo being thwarted by someone who challenges it. That said, I'm wicked bright. Ask my mom
 
2013-11-14 10:40:34 AM  

skullkrusher: Again, he either for a company in an industry which works with 9% of NYC charter schools. Your attempt to smear a very popular program and relying on anecdotal information which applies to 9% of that program isn't terribly effective


I have access to the same information as everyone else, I've just arrived at a different conclusion than you. I'm hardly alone.
 
2013-11-14 10:41:31 AM  
What did DiBlasio do? Cancel plans to turn a school into luxury condos? Darling emperor bloomberg turns everything into luxury condos. I set a box down once on the sidewalk when I was moving into a new apartment and when I came back it had a farking roof deck and a door man.
 
2013-11-14 10:44:22 AM  
I see skullkrusher has successfully destroyed another thread.
 
2013-11-14 10:48:13 AM  
Bloomberg, taken as a whole, is a massive ass. He's far too lenient to business interests, he's let new housing developments that no one making under six figures can even think about affording run amok, and his approach to education seems absolutely draconian.

I do like his environmental initiatives, though. But deBlasio's a pretty blue Democrat, so I don't think those are going anywhere.


/ The election was a landslide for a reason
// Virtually everyone is farking tired of Bloomberg and anyone associated with him and his policies
/// It never felt so good to fill out that (D) column on an election ballot
 
2013-11-14 10:57:11 AM  

xsarien: The election was a landslide for a reason


Yeah, there are five Democrats for every one Republican in New York City. It's hard for even NYC Democrats to screw up with a head start like that but damned if they don't pull it off once in a while.
 
2013-11-14 11:00:53 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: I see skullkrusher has successfully destroyed another thread.


Not enough childish, pseudo-populist armchair revolutionary glibness for you?
 
2013-11-14 11:01:11 AM  

Gulper Eel: xsarien: The election was a landslide for a reason

Yeah, there are five Democrats for every one Republican in New York City. It's hard for even NYC Democrats to screw up with a head start like that but damned if they don't pull it off once in a while.


Democrats screw up so bad that there are 5 democrats for every 1 republican in NYC? They probably hope they screw up that bad on the national level.
 
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