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2013-11-14 07:55:44 AM  
Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.
 
2013-11-14 07:56:15 AM  
The butthurt is strong in this one
 
2013-11-14 08:01:43 AM  

stratagos: The butthurt is strong in this one


A Republican lost an election:
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-14 08:02:41 AM  
Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.
 
2013-11-14 08:02:47 AM  
TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!
 
2013-11-14 08:03:40 AM  

Dhusk: TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!


Thanks, because that didn't quite look like English.
 
2013-11-14 08:12:14 AM  
A neighbor swears by his son's charter school. Said the kid was being hampered by the teachers having to slow lessons down for English-as-a-second-language pupils.

When I attended the public schools here, everyone spoke 'Merican.
 
2013-11-14 08:13:21 AM  

Dhusk: TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!


It;s not that this sort of thing is intrinsic to any point of view - but it is intrinsic ti human personalities who have become spoiled by too much success.
We stand at the end of the Reagan years. The Right had it's way with the nation for more than a quarter century, making huge progress toward their agenda on all but a few fronts.
Now, that political tide has been reversed, and is starting to flow backward. And a spoiled, complacent Right isn't taking it well.
In another couple of cycles, they'll become accustomed to getting their asses kicked, and quit whining so loud.
At that point, they will hopefully engage in some reflection, and move toward the center.
 
2013-11-14 08:14:21 AM  

Alphax: Dhusk: TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!

Thanks, because that didn't quite look like English.


I'm surprised the headline didn't include: 'Yea, the numbers said we lost, but since it wasn't a TOTAL knock-out that changed voting forever, WE actually won!!'
 
2013-11-14 08:16:20 AM  

jso2897: We stand at the end of the Reagan years.


wow. so, so, so naive. Hilarious how much credit you give people.
 
2013-11-14 08:17:27 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.


Yep. And the "reformers" mostly just focus on the good ones and ignore all the shiatty ones when making their arguments.

It's also the case that many of the "good" charter schools pick and choose their students. Public schools can't (and shouldn't) do that.
 
2013-11-14 08:20:29 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: A neighbor swears by his son's charter school. Said the kid was being hampered by the teachers having to slow lessons down for English-as-a-second-language pupils.

When I attended the public schools here, everyone spoke 'Merican.


When my family came to Greece in the late 40s/early 50s as refugees from the Greek civil war, the youngest sibling (my great uncle) had to attend special ed classes until his English caught up. In New York. 60+ years ago.

/Ended up a prolific journalist and author
//Also the first to hear the Watergate tapes
 
2013-11-14 08:34:16 AM  
Why the fark did I waste a click on that article? dammitsomuch
 
2013-11-14 08:42:34 AM  
Ah, nostalgia for the Dinkins era by DeBlasio.
 
2013-11-14 08:45:03 AM  
The job isn't done until the XXX PEEP SHOWs come back to Times Square, sorry.
 
2013-11-14 08:47:07 AM  
Is every DeBlasio thread going to involve the sky falling? It's amazing how Michael Bloomberg, gun-hatin' moral scold who wanted to take muh sody pops turned into the man who single-handedly kept New York from the abyss overnight.
 
2013-11-14 08:47:52 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.


This. My cousin almost put her kids in a charter school, but went for a district run TAG school instead. This turned out to be a good thing as the charter school started dropping in the ranks, quickly.

Turns out they started losing good teachers who figured out they'd make more at UPS or the local office of whatever business. At those places they also didn't have to deal with snotty brats. Win / win for them.
 
2013-11-14 08:50:06 AM  

oryx: Ah, nostalgia for the Dinkins era by DeBlasio.


I love seeing Conservatives have a freaking fit over DeBlasio. It's like the whole Obama=Carter thing: living in the farking past IS THE PROBLEM WITH CONSERVATIVES. They can't see that it's incredibly hard to "slide back" to bad days, which is funny because they want to "slide back" to good days, particularly the ones that never existed.
 
2013-11-14 08:50:20 AM  
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."
Mr. de Blasio has said he would continue to make available the detailed report cards that accompany the letter grades given to schools each year,



So, they are going to continue Bloombergs program but not give the letter grade that gives no real insight but publish the accompanying documentation that provieds the insight?  Sounds like butthurt to me.
 
2013-11-14 08:53:30 AM  

BSABSVR: Is every DeBlasio thread going to involve the sky falling? It's amazing how Michael Bloomberg, gun-hatin' moral scold who wanted to take muh sody pops turned into the man who single-handedly kept New York from the abyss overnight.


They're hailing him as some conservative hero now, it's hysterical.
 
2013-11-14 08:54:44 AM  

inglixthemad: TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.

This. My cousin almost put her kids in a charter school, but went for a district run TAG school instead. This turned out to be a good thing as the charter school started dropping in the ranks, quickly.

Turns out they started losing good teachers who figured out they'd make more at UPS or the local office of whatever business. At those places they also didn't have to deal with snotty brats. Win / win for them.


Your cousin is smart.

On a related note, I know that our local teachers union is working on unionizing charter schools one school at a time out here in sunny So-Cal.  I wish them the best of luck.
 
2013-11-14 08:55:53 AM  

BSABSVR: Is every DeBlasio thread going to involve the sky falling? It's amazing how Michael Bloomberg, gun-hatin' moral scold who wanted to take muh sody pops turned into the man who single-handedly kept New York from the abyss overnight.


Reminds me of all the Republicans in 2008 who had so many nice things to say about Hillary Clinton...once Barack Obama was the Democratic nominee. Wonder what they're saying about her now?


But, don't you DARE call them disingenuous!

/Because, honestly, most of them won't know what that word means.
 
2013-11-14 08:56:54 AM  
Sniveling Republican butthurt.

Forever.
 
2013-11-14 09:03:12 AM  

Dhusk: TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!


I thought the headline was supposed to be sarcastic.
 
2013-11-14 09:04:56 AM  
My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much
 
2013-11-14 09:09:29 AM  
The letter grades are appallingly stupid, and I'm not surprised that Jeb Bush is pushing for them. When I had to go to school in Florida, I was at one of the best schools in the entire state - a rare oasis of good teaching in a wasteland of derp. And yet the stupid Bush administration would switch between an A and B every year because of minor, random fluctuations in test scores - the school was already performing as well as it could given the level of funding and quality of students brought up from lower grades, and when your graduation rate is 99% or whatever, you don't really have room to go up. This cost administrators and teachers huge amounts of money in bonuses, and ended up driving some of the best to emigrate to other states or switch to private schools - and that did kill the school about four years after I graduated.

Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.
 
2013-11-14 09:11:20 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.


NYC charter schools are all non-profits
 
2013-11-14 09:18:14 AM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: AMonkey'sUncle: A neighbor swears by his son's charter school. Said the kid was being hampered by the teachers having to slow lessons down for English-as-a-second-language pupils.

When I attended the public schools here, everyone spoke 'Merican.

When my family came to Greece in the late 40s/early 50s as refugees from the Greek civil war, the youngest sibling (my great uncle) had to attend special ed classes until his English caught up. In New York. 60+ years ago.

/Ended up a prolific journalist and author
//Also the first to hear the Watergate tapes


CSB:

When I went to Stuyvesant, a goodly percentage of my classmates were of Greek background. They had the advantage of being able to talk about the rest of us, without our being able to understand.
 
2013-11-14 09:20:59 AM  

flucto: jso2897: We stand at the end of the Reagan years.

wow. so, so, so naive. Hilarious how much credit you give people.


One thing you can actually count on people to do is die.
Demographics are real. The Spirit of Nate Silver points and  laughs at people who don't think demographics are real.
I have seen all this before - I am sixty-three. So I may be deaf, blind, and real, real stupid (maybe-maybe not) but I am not naive.
 
2013-11-14 09:23:33 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits


Ahahahahahahahahah holy shiat you continue to be an idiot. Only the formal corporation of the school must be nonprofit, and any schools employing a for-profit management company can keep it. The management companies have gone around that rather toothless rule quite easily. They hand out huge paychecks and bonuses to often nominal CEOs. The *only* requirement is that the charter school's base corporation make no profit and that new management contracts must be piecemeal. That's all.
 
2013-11-14 09:26:39 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits


They require money to operate, it's not coming out of the director's pocket.
 
2013-11-14 09:26:40 AM  
there's no way he can be worse than Nanny Bloomberg and wanting to ban everything he didn't like.
 
2013-11-14 09:27:43 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits


The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.
 
2013-11-14 09:28:22 AM  

skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much


Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.
 
2013-11-14 09:28:51 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits

Ahahahahahahahahah holy shiat you continue to be an idiot. Only the formal corporation of the school must be nonprofit, and any schools employing a for-profit management company can keep it. The management companies have gone around that rather toothless rule quite easily. They hand out huge paychecks and bonuses to often nominal CEOs. The *only* requirement is that the charter school's base corporation make no profit and that new management contracts must be piecemeal. That's all.


Also that. Non-profit doesn't generally mean what people think it does, and there are massive loopholes in how these things are arranged.
 
2013-11-14 09:32:26 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits

Ahahahahahahahahah holy shiat you continue to be an idiot. Only the formal corporation of the school must be nonprofit, and any schools employing a for-profit management company can keep it. The management companies have gone around that rather toothless rule quite easily. They hand out huge paychecks and bonuses to often nominal CEOs. The *only* requirement is that the charter school's base corporation make no profit and that new management contracts must be piecemeal. That's all.


Sweet article on the high salaries of some nonprofit execs. I don't think that few hundred thousand a year quite puts them in the Bloomberg buddies realm. 10% of charter schools employ an external management company that is for profit.

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up
 
2013-11-14 09:32:44 AM  
I'd just like to say that I hope the trend of electing people like this guy continues.
i255.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-14 09:33:07 AM  

captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.


So they're public schools, but cheaper?
 
2013-11-14 09:33:55 AM  

glmorrs1: Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.


Oh, come on! When have you ever seen an advocate for charter schools blatantly and unapologetically deceive people for their own sake?

www.washingtonpost.com
Okay, okay, aside from her...
 
2013-11-14 09:34:13 AM  

glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.


Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.


Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.
 
2013-11-14 09:34:45 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Also that. Non-profit doesn't generally mean what people think it does, and there are massive loopholes in how these things are arranged.


More of the first part than the second part.  Non-profit means the overall goal and viability of the company isn't based around making money.  It doesn't necessarily mean that they don't make money overall... and most of them do, obviously especially the ones that don't rely on donations, because otherwise they'd fail.

Basically the main difference is that a non-profit is very much limited to its charter and stated mission, and in what they can do with their money if they're tax-exempt.  Typically they're legally encouraged to invest any profit back into the company.
 
2013-11-14 09:35:13 AM  
Just don't do a reshatnerification and we should be  fine.
comicbook.com
 
2013-11-14 09:35:59 AM  

glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.


Yeah? Which track record is that? You have an example or 2? What about my little story is so unbelievable? Have you ever voted in NYC? There are election volunteers helping people at the
machines. If the machine isn't taking the ballot, they try to determine why. I live on the UWS where I am probably the only one who didn't vote for DeBlasio. Really stings when you're trying to nail someone and just come out looking the fool, doesn't it?
 
2013-11-14 09:37:00 AM  

FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?


More expensive. Pretty universally.
 
2013-11-14 09:38:08 AM  

captainktainer: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.

Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.


She wasn't unprofessional. She just had an involuntary reaction of surprise. I found it amusing. I don't know why this is so terribly controversial.
 
2013-11-14 09:38:43 AM  

captainktainer: The letter grades are appallingly stupid, and I'm not surprised that Jeb Bush is pushing for them. When I had to go to school in Florida, I was at one of the best schools in the entire state - a rare oasis of good teaching in a wasteland of derp. And yet the stupid Bush administration would switch between an A and B every year because of minor, random fluctuations in test scores - the school was already performing as well as it could given the level of funding and quality of students brought up from lower grades, and when your graduation rate is 99% or whatever, you don't really have room to go up. This cost administrators and teachers huge amounts of money in bonuses, and ended up driving some of the best to emigrate to other states or switch to private schools - and that did kill the school about four years after I graduated.

Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.


Rather like the public schtuools.
 
2013-11-14 09:39:15 AM  

captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.


Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC
 
2013-11-14 09:39:22 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Typically they're legally encouraged to invest any profit back into the company.


Sometimes that means exorbitant executive salaries. Typically when people take a shiat on the way a non-profit is operating that is what they are typically referring to.

\typically
 
2013-11-14 09:41:12 AM  
skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.
 
2013-11-14 09:43:34 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: They can't see that it's incredibly hard to "slide back" to bad days


You're looking in the wrong direction. New York City has slid from prosperity into the shiatter before, most recently about 50 years ago under Lindsay and straight on through Dinkins. There's no reason the same mistakes can't be made again.

Detroit slid forward into the bad days and has stayed there for almost 50 years now.

Wall Street is to NYC what the auto industry was to Detroit, and if DeBlasio actually gets anywhere with his when-in-doubt-piss-on-rich-people strategy, the financial-sector golden goose that's been paying for New York's enormous public sector (and the sweet pensions that come with public-sector employment) will figure out that it doesn't have to live out its days being chased around the City Hall barnyard and can fly away to friendlier climates anywhere in the world.

And that'll bring the city the worst of both worlds - all the rich assholes still boutiquifying the city, while the businesses they run move to whatever location is friendliest to capital.

London in particular will be psyched.
 
2013-11-14 09:43:46 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.


This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks
 
2013-11-14 09:45:24 AM  

Ned Stark: Rather like the public schtuools.


By most measures yeah, there's no real difference between them. It's just a push for businesses to get a cut of public school funding for no reason other than because they want it. The performance results generally show that the "free market education" idea has no bearing on educational success.
 
2013-11-14 09:45:36 AM  

skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC


No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.
 
2013-11-14 09:47:33 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.


As opposed to the old, indifferent, expensive teachers that work in public schools?
 
2013-11-14 09:48:31 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.


Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

How many of Bloomies buddies are getting rich off the system? That's the comment that caused you to shiat your pants, as you recall.
 
2013-11-14 09:48:34 AM  

skullkrusher: I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose.


Oh. You view discussion as something one can win or lose. That must be what makes you such an absolute joy.
 
2013-11-14 09:48:47 AM  

Gulper Eel: Wall Street is to NYC what the auto industry was to Detroit,


Oddly enough, Bloomberg started a rather large push to chip away at that. Trying to build an environment for tech/biotech start ups and such.

Obviously, finance is still dominant but everyone is keenly aware why that's a weakness now.
 
2013-11-14 09:49:27 AM  
Christ, we billed four times' the teachers' hourly rates for "remedial" math and English at one of the for-profits in Brooklyn and they didn't bat an eye.
 
2013-11-14 09:51:20 AM  

EyeballKid: skullkrusher: I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose.

Oh. You view discussion as something one can win or lose. That must be what makes you such an absolute joy.


Hahaha yeah, the shiat you fools try is "discussion".
 
2013-11-14 09:52:24 AM  
Okay, here's how the school situation in NYC goes, as I understand it:

Bloomberg issues letter grades to schools on how they're doing. Invariably, for some unfathomable reason, all of the failing schools happen to be in minority heavy neighborhoods which don't have enough funding to deal with all the special needs and ESL students. The schools in the wealthy neighborhoods are just fine.

Bloomberg cuts funding to the minority-heavy neighborhood schools with low funding and bad letter grades. These schools get worse from budget shortfalls. Bloomberg gives them more failing grades. Then, Bloomberg will, pretty much unilaterally, close down the schools because they were failing. Now minority-heavy neighborhoods are losing their schools.

Bloomberg give charter schools favorable leases in the old school buildings so the old public school buildings now hold 3 or 4 different charter schools. The charter schools all have to share the same limited resources in the building (auditoriums, for instance, or computer labs). Also, since charter school admissions are done by lottery when there are more students than available seats, poor minority students might be forced to travel across town because no local charter school will take them.

Fark Bloomberg. He is a terrible mayor.
 
2013-11-14 09:52:54 AM  

skullkrusher: Hahaha yeah, the shiat you fools try is "discussion".


But, of course, it's nothing "you" try that isn't worthy of discussion. It's everybody else who's ruining it, not you. OK. The term "fevered ego" comes to mind...
 
2013-11-14 09:54:00 AM  

skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?


So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?
 
2013-11-14 09:54:52 AM  

skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks


Whatever strokes your ego little man.
 
2013-11-14 09:54:52 AM  

skullkrusher: You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes"


Hey now.   Do not knock tedious and preferably bad jokes.  It is farks bread and butter.
 
2013-11-14 09:57:57 AM  
I know nothing of NYC school system history or current status, but it is stupid to already be complaining about someone who has yet to take office.
 
2013-11-14 09:58:31 AM  

skullkrusher: Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

How many of Bloomies buddies are getting rich off the system? That's the comment that caused you to shiat your pants, as you recall.


Er, Eva Moskowitz was already mentioned. She's one of the biggest offenders; Success Academy has absolutely no cost controls and is one of the biggest leeches on the host schools. Marc Sternberg is going to end up indicted in a couple of years.
 
2013-11-14 10:00:07 AM  

Ned Stark: captainktainer: The letter grades are appallingly stupid, and I'm not surprised that Jeb Bush is pushing for them. When I had to go to school in Florida, I was at one of the best schools in the entire state - a rare oasis of good teaching in a wasteland of derp. And yet the stupid Bush administration would switch between an A and B every year because of minor, random fluctuations in test scores - the school was already performing as well as it could given the level of funding and quality of students brought up from lower grades, and when your graduation rate is 99% or whatever, you don't really have room to go up. This cost administrators and teachers huge amounts of money in bonuses, and ended up driving some of the best to emigrate to other states or switch to private schools - and that did kill the school about four years after I graduated.

Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

Rather like the public schtuools.


This sounds like something German that I would google and then need mindbleach for.
 
2013-11-14 10:00:59 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I know nothing of NYC school system history or current status, but it is stupid to already be complaining about someone who has yet to take office.


Have you learned nothing? I foresee today being Rush Limbaugh's "I hope he fails" moment for DeBlasio. I'm certain his inauguration will be followed up with a report on how New York City is now in a crisis that likes of which no liberal plan can heal.

Wanna bet the murders in NYC start getting more attention among right-wingers now? The GOP knows whenever a Democrat is in charge, none of his/her policy suggestions go into action until they solve every murder in their home city.
 
2013-11-14 10:01:17 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I know nothing of NYC school system history or current status, but it is stupid to already be complaining about someone who has yet to take office.


But his son has an afro!  You can't tell me that doesn't just send shivers down your spine!  Truly, this way something wicked comes.
 
2013-11-14 10:03:11 AM  

RexTalionis: Okay, here's how the school situation in NYC goes, as I understand it:

Bloomberg issues letter grades to schools on how they're doing. Invariably, for some unfathomable reason, all of the failing schools happen to be in minority heavy neighborhoods which don't have enough funding to deal with all the special needs and ESL students. The schools in the wealthy neighborhoods are just fine.

Bloomberg cuts funding to the minority-heavy neighborhood schools with low funding and bad letter grades. These schools get worse from budget shortfalls. Bloomberg gives them more failing grades. Then, Bloomberg will, pretty much unilaterally, close down the schools because they were failing. Now minority-heavy neighborhoods are losing their schools.

Bloomberg give charter schools favorable leases in the old school buildings so the old public school buildings now hold 3 or 4 different charter schools. The charter schools all have to share the same limited resources in the building (auditoriums, for instance, or computer labs). Also, since charter school admissions are done by lottery when there are more students than available seats, poor minority students might be forced to travel across town because no local charter school will take them.

Fark Bloomberg. He is a terrible mayor.


You have the right of it, except that the lottery is itself a scam. You're strongly "encouraged" not to apply if your child has any special needs whatsover, and they can and will drive out the sped kids. One of my friends got blacklisted for complaining about that abuse, and his teaching cert has been unusable in the city since. We couldn't find a lawyer willing to take on Klein; the public advocate heard about it but we couldn't prove it to his satisfaction. DeBlasio can be kind of a coward, although I don't blame him too much on this one.

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

It's pretty classic.
 
2013-11-14 10:03:28 AM  

EyeballKid: Wanna bet the murders in NYC start getting more attention among right-wingers now?


If they go up because stop-and-frisk ends, then yeah, you probably will here from some of the more fascist right-wingers.  Neither you nor anyone else will care (and neocons won't genuinely care) because those shot will be 95% poor and black.
 
2013-11-14 10:05:59 AM  

EyeballKid: skullkrusher: Hahaha yeah, the shiat you fools try is "discussion".

But, of course, it's nothing "you" try that isn't worthy of discussion. It's everybody else who's ruining it, not you. OK. The term "fevered ego" comes to mind...


What do I "try"? I respond to nonsense and people get terribly upset when their nonsense is called out. Then other idiots come in to circle the wagons and defend the nonsense. They do so unsuccessfully, they claim victory, talk about how I'm a troll but no one with half a brain believes them
 
2013-11-14 10:06:17 AM  

FLMountainMan: EyeballKid: Wanna bet the murders in NYC start getting more attention among right-wingers now?

If they go up because stop-and-frisk ends, then yeah, you probably will here from some of the more fascist right-wingers.  Neither you nor anyone else will care (and neocons won't genuinely care) because those shot will be 95% poor and black.


They just mentioned on NPR today how stop and frisk had a 1/10th of 1% success rate in catching "violent offenders" That number is probably mostly made up of people resisting arrest or assaulting a police officer who is trying to frisk your junk because you are black.
 
2013-11-14 10:06:39 AM  

captainktainer: RexTalionis: Okay, here's how the school situation in NYC goes, as I understand it:

Bloomberg issues letter grades to schools on how they're doing. Invariably, for some unfathomable reason, all of the failing schools happen to be in minority heavy neighborhoods which don't have enough funding to deal with all the special needs and ESL students. The schools in the wealthy neighborhoods are just fine.

Bloomberg cuts funding to the minority-heavy neighborhood schools with low funding and bad letter grades. These schools get worse from budget shortfalls. Bloomberg gives them more failing grades. Then, Bloomberg will, pretty much unilaterally, close down the schools because they were failing. Now minority-heavy neighborhoods are losing their schools.

Bloomberg give charter schools favorable leases in the old school buildings so the old public school buildings now hold 3 or 4 different charter schools. The charter schools all have to share the same limited resources in the building (auditoriums, for instance, or computer labs). Also, since charter school admissions are done by lottery when there are more students than available seats, poor minority students might be forced to travel across town because no local charter school will take them.

Fark Bloomberg. He is a terrible mayor.

You have the right of it, except that the lottery is itself a scam. You're strongly "encouraged" not to apply if your child has any special needs whatsover, and they can and will drive out the sped kids. One of my friends got blacklisted for complaining about that abuse, and his teaching cert has been unusable in the city since. We couldn't find a lawyer willing to take on Klein; the public advocate heard about it but we couldn't prove it to his satisfaction. DeBlasio can be kind of a coward, although I don't blame him too much on this one.

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

It's pretty classic.


Yeah, I've been listening to the city's school problems for years through WNYC. Never experienced it myself since I don't live in the city itself, but it sounds like Bloomberg's been screwing poor people for the last decade.
 
2013-11-14 10:06:51 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?


No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right
 
2013-11-14 10:07:50 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.


Does it work out to more than $20 grand per kid?

New York Per-Student Spending Higher Than Anywhere Else In U.S., Census Bureau Finds

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05 /23/new-york-student-spending-ce n sus_n_3322237.html
 
2013-11-14 10:08:07 AM  

captainktainer: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.

Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.


Oh, I don't doubt that it happens, poll workers are human after all, and mistakes happen. But coming from skully there, well, let's just say if he claimed the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and have a look for myself.
 
2013-11-14 10:08:16 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

How many of Bloomies buddies are getting rich off the system? That's the comment that caused you to shiat your pants, as you recall.

Er, Eva Moskowitz was already mentioned. She's one of the biggest offenders; Success Academy has absolutely no cost controls and is one of the biggest leeches on the host schools. Marc Sternberg is going to end up indicted in a couple of years.


I'll defer to you on the topic
 
2013-11-14 10:09:13 AM  

captainktainer: skullkrusher: Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

How many of Bloomies buddies are getting rich off the system? That's the comment that caused you to shiat your pants, as you recall.

Er, Eva Moskowitz was already mentioned. She's one of the biggest offenders; Success Academy has absolutely no cost controls and is one of the biggest leeches on the host schools. Marc Sternberg is going to end up indicted in a couple of years.


If you think that your employer is engaging in fraud, you might want to report that.

Or not, whatever.
 
2013-11-14 10:09:14 AM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.


Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me
 
2013-11-14 10:10:30 AM  

glmorrs1: captainktainer: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.

Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.

Oh, I don't doubt that it happens, poll workers are human after all, and mistakes happen. But coming from skully there, well, let's just say if he claimed the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and have a look for myself.


Still waiting on those examples. You're not going to provide them, are you?
 
2013-11-14 10:11:40 AM  

skullkrusher: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Yeah? Which track record is that? You have an example or 2? What about my little story is so unbelievable? Have you ever voted in NYC? There are election volunteers helping people at the
machines. If the machine isn't taking the ballot, they try to determine why. I live on the UWS where I am probably the only one who didn't vote for DeBlasio. Really stings when you're trying to nail someone and just come out looking the fool, doesn't it?


Dude, I've been around here for a while. I know your game, you're a contrarian. I've had you farkied as "Thinks trolling is playing devil's advocate" for a couple years at least.
 
2013-11-14 10:14:18 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right


What topic? Someone said they're cheaper than public schools, he disagreed. You allude to him representing a particular group, one that would have a vested interest in making that argument. It turns out the opposite is true, so then you accuse him of hypocrisy.

Maybe I missed something?
 
2013-11-14 10:16:31 AM  

glmorrs1: skullkrusher: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Yeah? Which track record is that? You have an example or 2? What about my little story is so unbelievable? Have you ever voted in NYC? There are election volunteers helping people at the
machines. If the machine isn't taking the ballot, they try to determine why. I live on the UWS where I am probably the only one who didn't vote for DeBlasio. Really stings when you're trying to nail someone and just come out looking the fool, doesn't it?

Dude, I've been around here for a while. I know your game, you're a contrarian. I've had you farkied as "Thinks trolling is playing devil's advocate" for a couple years at least.


I'm certainly contrarian but that's mainly because so much of what is said here is contrary to reality. And I like to argue. Not trolling
 
2013-11-14 10:17:47 AM  

skullkrusher: glmorrs1: captainktainer: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.

Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.

Oh, I don't doubt that it happens, poll workers are human after all, and mistakes happen. But coming from skully there, well, let's just say if he claimed the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and have a look for myself.

Still waiting on those examples. You're not going to provide them, are you?


No man, I don't have time to cite every thread you've been in.
 
2013-11-14 10:18:02 AM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.

Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me


No most people just don't take you seriously. You're like a little yappy dog that tries to get attention and pretend to know everything. The sad part is you don't realize how silly you actually look. But keep on "winning" the Internet. That trophy should be coming any day now.
 
2013-11-14 10:19:52 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right

What topic? Someone said they're cheaper than public schools, he disagreed. You allude to him representing a particular group, one that would have a vested interest in making that argument. It turns out the opposite is true, so then you accuse him of hypocrisy.

Maybe I missed something?


Wasn't talking about whether they're cheaper. Talking about your comment that charter schools are get richer schemes by Bloomie's buddies. They are non profits and only 9% employ external for profit management companies. He works for one while talking about how they're scams and criminals.
 
2013-11-14 10:21:07 AM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.

Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me

No most people just don't take you seriously. You're like a little yappy dog that tries to get attention and pretend to know everything. The sad part is you don't realize how silly you actually look. But keep on "winning" the Internet. That trophy should be coming any day now.


I'll have to disagree. I often have good conversations with thoughtful liberals. You're not one so I suppose that's why you think this way
 
2013-11-14 10:24:56 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right

What topic? Someone said they're cheaper than public schools, he disagreed. You allude to him representing a particular group, one that would have a vested interest in making that argument. It turns out the opposite is true, so then you accuse him of hypocrisy.

Maybe I missed something?

Wasn't talking about whether they're cheaper.


The post you replied to was pretty specifically talking about costs.

Talking about your comment that charter schools are get richer schemes by Bloomie's buddies. They are non profits and only 9% employ external for profit management companies. He works for one while talking about how they're scams and criminals.

But he clearly knows what he's talking about, which kind of ruined your effort to smear him as the clueless opposition.
 
2013-11-14 10:25:15 AM  

sendtodave: If you think that your employer is engaging in fraud, you might want to report that.

Or not, whatever.


Had these conversations already. Picking your battles is hard. Getting rid of Joe Klein was a necessary precondition. The problem with Moskowitz is that what she does is horrible but legal, and that's why we had to replace the administration so other people could stop getting stonewalled. Bloomberg, Quinn, and a lot of the City Council that was just replaced were huge enablers. We are actually getting action on the special ed thing.

As for Sternberg, no further comment.

sendtodave: Does it work out to more than $20 grand per kid?


Yes, actually, not accounting for special ed. Remember, costs per student are driven up across the system because of the need to subsidize the charter schools - you have to cover land and maintenance and everything else for them, while the charter school covers nothing of that sort (which is why DeBlasio proposed charging rents). Charter schools get to socialize the special ed students out; if you have anything worse than ADHD, verbal processing disorders, or comparatively mild autism the charter schools effectively don't need to cover that.

Harlem Children's Academy is one of the rare cases where total spending is higher but it's for a good cause, and they're the only non-SUNY charter school that's ever demanded teachers' notes or bothered to check in on progress. They're pretty much the only charter school that helps out with students' lives, too. It's one of the rare examples of a successful charter school, although it really only works because outside donors have made it so well-funded as part of a propaganda operation. Teachers work for peanuts, though, and while turnover is less than at other charter schools there are enough starry-eyed TFA types (though few actual TFA alumni) that they don't have the churn that a lot of these places do.
 
2013-11-14 10:27:44 AM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.

Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me

No most people just don't take you seriously. You're like a little yappy dog that tries to get attention and pretend to know everything. The sad part is you don't realize how silly you actually look. But keep on "winning" the Internet. That trophy should be coming any day now.

I'll have to disagree. I often have good conversations with thoughtful liberals. You're not one so I suppose that's why you think this way


No I just got tired of your bullshait. You're not a very "thoughtful" person or even a very bright one. You're the "arguing on the Internet" meme personified.
 
2013-11-14 10:32:01 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher: captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.

Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC

No, I work in and for charter schools. I'm one of the people making money off of the system. I know damned well how it works - how the SUNY-managed charter schools are the only ones who demand accountability and actually work fairly, while the others pay people like me outrageous rates on the taxpayers' dime.

Sort of like an anti-war arms peddler?
Pro-life abortion doctor?

So you allude to him not knowing what he's talking about, then shiat on him as a hypocrite when it turns out that he does?

No I allude to him trying to reframe the topic to be right

What topic? Someone said they're cheaper than public schools, he disagreed. You allude to him representing a particular group, one that would have a vested interest in making that argument. It turns out the opposite is true, so then you accuse him of hypocrisy.

Maybe I missed something?

Wasn't talking about whether they're cheaper.

The post you replied to was pretty specifically talking about costs.

Talking about your comment that charter schools are get richer schemes by Bloomie's buddies. They are non profits and only 9% employ external for profit management companies. He works for one while talking about how they're scams and criminals.

But he clearly knows what he's talking about, which kind of ruined your effort to smear him as the clueless opposition.


I suppose it was a non sequitur. Again, he either for a company in an industry which works with 9% of NYC charter schools. Your attempt to smear a very popular program and relying on anecdotal information which applies to 9% of that program isn't terribly effective
 
2013-11-14 10:34:12 AM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: captainktainer: skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.

This is more of your fantasy. I am called out by morons for bullshiat reasons. Then other morons join in. They lose. We repeat in the next thread. The real issue is that you aren't confident enough in your opinions to have them withstand challenge. You want fark to be nothing but like minded repetition of tedious "jokes" and busted worldviews. Sorry if I have made you uncomfortable in your inane beliefs by challenging you dishonest shiatbricks

Whatever strokes your ego little man.

Making you guys look foolish isn't hard enough to be an ego boost. You do 95% of the work for me

No most people just don't take you seriously. You're like a little yappy dog that tries to get attention and pretend to know everything. The sad part is you don't realize how silly you actually look. But keep on "winning" the Internet. That trophy should be coming any day now.

I'll have to disagree. I often have good conversations with thoughtful liberals. You're not one so I suppose that's why you think this way

No I just got tired of your bullshait. You're not a very "thoughtful" person or even a very bright one. You're the "arguing on the Internet" meme personified.


Again, my "bullshiat" is the same it always was. Your desire to talk nonsense and have it echo being thwarted by someone who challenges it. That said, I'm wicked bright. Ask my mom
 
2013-11-14 10:40:34 AM  

skullkrusher: Again, he either for a company in an industry which works with 9% of NYC charter schools. Your attempt to smear a very popular program and relying on anecdotal information which applies to 9% of that program isn't terribly effective


I have access to the same information as everyone else, I've just arrived at a different conclusion than you. I'm hardly alone.
 
2013-11-14 10:41:31 AM  
What did DiBlasio do? Cancel plans to turn a school into luxury condos? Darling emperor bloomberg turns everything into luxury condos. I set a box down once on the sidewalk when I was moving into a new apartment and when I came back it had a farking roof deck and a door man.
 
2013-11-14 10:44:22 AM  
I see skullkrusher has successfully destroyed another thread.
 
2013-11-14 10:48:13 AM  
Bloomberg, taken as a whole, is a massive ass. He's far too lenient to business interests, he's let new housing developments that no one making under six figures can even think about affording run amok, and his approach to education seems absolutely draconian.

I do like his environmental initiatives, though. But deBlasio's a pretty blue Democrat, so I don't think those are going anywhere.


/ The election was a landslide for a reason
// Virtually everyone is farking tired of Bloomberg and anyone associated with him and his policies
/// It never felt so good to fill out that (D) column on an election ballot
 
2013-11-14 10:57:11 AM  

xsarien: The election was a landslide for a reason


Yeah, there are five Democrats for every one Republican in New York City. It's hard for even NYC Democrats to screw up with a head start like that but damned if they don't pull it off once in a while.
 
2013-11-14 11:00:53 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: I see skullkrusher has successfully destroyed another thread.


Not enough childish, pseudo-populist armchair revolutionary glibness for you?
 
2013-11-14 11:01:11 AM  

Gulper Eel: xsarien: The election was a landslide for a reason

Yeah, there are five Democrats for every one Republican in New York City. It's hard for even NYC Democrats to screw up with a head start like that but damned if they don't pull it off once in a while.


Democrats screw up so bad that there are 5 democrats for every 1 republican in NYC? They probably hope they screw up that bad on the national level.
 
2013-11-14 11:04:53 AM  

RexTalionis: Yeah, I've been listening to the city's school problems for years through WNYC. Never experienced it myself since I don't live in the city itself, but it sounds like Bloomberg's been screwing poor people for the last decade.


Ever try screwing a rich person? It can be expensive and/or dangerous.
 
2013-11-14 11:08:19 AM  

CPennypacker: What did DiBlasio do? Cancel plans to turn a school into luxury condos? Darling emperor bloomberg turns everything into luxury condos. I set a box down once on the sidewalk when I was moving into a new apartment and when I came back it had a farking roof deck and a door man.


Now that's funny. Gentrify or die!
 
2013-11-14 11:08:31 AM  
FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses
 
2013-11-14 11:11:55 AM  

Headso: Gulper Eel: xsarien: The election was a landslide for a reason

Yeah, there are five Democrats for every one Republican in New York City. It's hard for even NYC Democrats to screw up with a head start like that but damned if they don't pull it off once in a while.

Democrats screw up so bad that there are 5 democrats for every 1 republican in NYC? They probably hope they screw up that bad on the national level.


Nationally Lhota could pass as a moderate Dem. pro choice, pro marriage equality, demand that all new development on land acquired from the city provide low income housing. Nationally DeBlasio would require some new labels be invented since Obama already represents "socialism" in the amber waves of grain.
 
2013-11-14 11:14:40 AM  

flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses


IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt. They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors
 
2013-11-14 11:22:42 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: I see skullkrusher has successfully destroyed another thread.


And nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-11-14 11:22:57 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: AMonkey'sUncle: A neighbor swears by his son's charter school. Said the kid was being hampered by the teachers having to slow lessons down for English-as-a-second-language pupils.

When I attended the public schools here, everyone spoke 'Merican.

When my family came to Greece in the late 40s/early 50s as refugees from the Greek civil war, the youngest sibling (my great uncle) had to attend special ed classes until his English caught up. In New York. 60+ years ago.

/Ended up a prolific journalist and author
//Also the first to hear the Watergate tapes

CSB:

When I went to Stuyvesant, a goodly percentage of my classmates were of Greek background. They had the advantage of being able to talk about the rest of us, without our being able to understand.


It is the same now, just in Korean or Chinese.
 
2013-11-14 11:23:40 AM  

dynomutt: The job isn't done until the XXX PEEP SHOWs come back to Times Square, sorry.


Show World Center is still over on 8th ave, but the rest of Times Sq. could sure use a little more sleaze.
 
2013-11-14 11:24:51 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.


That's also the labor model that is screwing up the mediocre and bad charter schools. It takes a while for teachers to get a handle on managing a classroom. It's even harder when classes are larger. The average tenure of these young, idealistic teachers is three years most of them will just not be effective during those three years, especially since most of them have no training in teaching and classroom management.

Charter schools that are effective tend to follow the model used by the more effective private schools. Starting teachers are paid less, but pay equalizes as teachers gain experience. Teachers stick around because class sizes are much, much smaller. There is significantly less red tape in the better private schools. Teachers have more autonomy, and they have more control to actually teach.

Now, I am not suggesting that all private schools are great. There are certainly issues with a number of schools, but the better charter schools model themselves after the better private schools. And that is something that will never happen in public schools while thousands of different boards of eds are doing things thousands of different ways, and the one thing they all seem to agree on is that teachers are bad.
 
2013-11-14 11:30:41 AM  

skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses

 . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?
 
2013-11-14 11:34:11 AM  
How do you guys feel about online charter schools?

Basically, charter homeschools?
 
2013-11-14 11:39:59 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?


Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown. Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not. Ooh this printer got 4/5 stars. Let me check the details to see if it meets my needs. 1/5 stars? No thanks, no need for nuance.
B grade? That sounds satisfactory. D? Wow, that's bad. Let's find out why

Sounds like a bone to Randi to
me
 
2013-11-14 11:46:19 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?

Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown.


Because a lot of people won't look past the letter grade and make a lot of assumptions based on them.

 Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not.

They also don't review schools, and a bad grade won't result in the shuttering of a company. At worst, this will merely lead to people actually reading the breakdown.
 
2013-11-14 11:46:22 AM  

sendtodave: How do you guys feel about online charter schools?

Basically, charter homeschools?


University of Fenix worked for me

Mostly played Gears of War
 
2013-11-14 11:52:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?

Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown.

Because a lot of people won't look past the letter grade and make a lot of assumptions based on them.

 Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not.

They also don't review schools, and a bad grade won't result in the shuttering of a company. At worst, this will merely lead to people actually reading the breakdown.


That's the real fear, isn't it? Parents might have an easy way to know where their school stands and we cant have that. If all schools had A and B grades, would the letter grades be such a terrible thing?
 
2013-11-14 11:56:58 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?

Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown.

Because a lot of people won't look past the letter grade and make a lot of assumptions based on them.

 Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not.

They also don't review schools, and a bad grade won't result in the shuttering of a company. At worst, this will merely lead to people actually reading the breakdown.

That's the real fear, isn't it? Parents might have an easy way to know where their school stands and we cant have that.


Fear? Reading is easy.

If all schools had A and B grades, would the letter grades be such a terrible thing?

They'd be mostly useless.
 
2013-11-14 12:08:01 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: flynn80: FTFA
Mr. de Blasio has denounced the letter grades, which were introduced in 2007, as blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."

Funny how this actually points out the complete uselessness of the current education system in general  which applies those same grading systems that offer little real insight and are blunt instruments that do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's studentsstrengths and weaknesses

IIRC, the letter grades are accompanied by a specific breakdown of what went into them. DeBlasio is going to keep that aspect but eliminate the letters. Presumably because the school's feelings get hurt they do not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses . They will be replaced by participation ribbons that all schools will be permitted to wear on their front doors

Why would you need to presume something when you already had the answer from the source?

Well, first off it was a joke and secondly, the "nuanced" part comes with the breakdown which he is keeping. Why the hate for letter grades which summarize the content of that breakdown.

Because a lot of people won't look past the letter grade and make a lot of assumptions based on them.

 Does a star rating system on consumer reports reviews generate such ire? Of course not.

They also don't review schools, and a bad grade won't result in the shuttering of a company. At worst, this will merely lead to people actually reading the breakdown.

That's the real fear, isn't it? Parents might have an easy way to know where their school stands and we cant have that.

Fear? Reading is easy.

If all schools had A and B grades, would the letter grades be such a terrible thing?

They'd be mostly useless.


Letter grades are easier. They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report. They fought tooth and nail against having teacher reviews made public. Then it was allegedly because they were inaccurate.

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts. Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.
 
2013-11-14 12:14:45 PM  

skullkrusher: Letter grades are easier.


They alsodo not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.

They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report.

They who? Are you agreeing that getting rid of the letter grades is good then? People will actually have to read the whole report, right?

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts.

That's not very surprising, as this isn't a thread about restaurants.

 Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.

Right, there's very little daylight between schools and restaurants and the criteria on which they might be judged. Listen to yourself.
 
2013-11-14 12:17:28 PM  

sendtodave: Basically, charter homeschools?


www.skool.com
 
2013-11-14 12:25:36 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: Letter grades are easier.

They alsodo not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.

They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report.

They who? Are you agreeing that getting rid of the letter grades is good then? People will actually have to read the whole report, right?

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts.

That's not very surprising, as this isn't a thread about restaurants.

 Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.

Right, there's very little daylight between schools and restaurants and the criteria on which they might be judged. Listen to yourself.


The nuanced portrait is provided by the breakdown. The letter grade is a summary of that breakdown. The point is not to compare schools and restaurants. It's to point out the disparity and motivation behind policy. The lack of "nuance" behind a C grade restaurant is of no concern but it's a terrible lack of nuance when applied to a school. Having a quick way to judge a child's education is less important than knowing how clean Tony's Pizza is. This has nothing to do with the teacher's union. Nope.
 
2013-11-14 12:51:29 PM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: Letter grades are easier.

They alsodo not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.

They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report.

They who? Are you agreeing that getting rid of the letter grades is good then? People will actually have to read the whole report, right?

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts.

That's not very surprising, as this isn't a thread about restaurants.

 Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.

Right, there's very little daylight between schools and restaurants and the criteria on which they might be judged. Listen to yourself.

The nuanced portrait is provided by the breakdown. The letter grade is a summary of that breakdown. The point is not to compare schools and restaurants. It's to point out the disparity and motivation behind policy.


There's no disparity, schools aren't restaurants.

 The lack of "nuance" behind a C grade restaurant is of no concern but it's a terrible lack of nuance when applied to a school.

Correct.

 Having a quick way to judge a child's education is less important than knowing how clean Tony's Pizza is. This has nothing to do with the teacher's union. Nope.

You're acting like the food industry is somehow powerless in the city. Have you asked Mayor Elect de Blasio about his position on letter grades for restaurants?
 
2013-11-14 01:00:55 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: Letter grades are easier.

They alsodo not convey a nuanced portrait of a school's strengths and weaknesses.

They are hoping fewer parents will take the time to read a full report.

They who? Are you agreeing that getting rid of the letter grades is good then? People will actually have to read the whole report, right?

Nary a word on the lack of nuance behind the 3 letter grading system Bloomie implemented for restaurants and forced them to display prominently in their store fronts.

That's not very surprising, as this isn't a thread about restaurants.

 Apparently that tells you what you need to know. Weird. Personally, if a restaurant got a C, I don't really care about the nuance. I'm not eating there. Schools are different because something.

Right, there's very little daylight between schools and restaurants and the criteria on which they might be judged. Listen to yourself.

The nuanced portrait is provided by the breakdown. The letter grade is a summary of that breakdown. The point is not to compare schools and restaurants. It's to point out the disparity and motivation behind policy.

There's no disparity, schools aren't restaurants.

 The lack of "nuance" behind a C grade restaurant is of no concern but it's a terrible lack of nuance when applied to a school.

Correct.

 Having a quick way to judge a child's education is less important than knowing how clean Tony's Pizza is. This has nothing to do with the teacher's union. Nope.

You're acting like the food industry is somehow powerless in the city. Have you asked Mayor Elect de Blasio about his position on letter grades for restaurants?


I'm not acting that way at all. No I haven't had the pleasure of meeting him yet. However, when Quinn suggested she would fix the health dept fines system as it is "nickel and diming" restaurants, DeBlasio said that was a "cynical ploy". He doesn't seem terribly concerned about the lack of nuance in fines either.

He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him. Good job
 
2013-11-14 01:20:32 PM  

BSABSVR: Is every DeBlasio thread going to involve the sky falling? It's amazing how Michael Bloomberg, gun-hatin' moral scold who wanted to take muh sody pops turned into the man who single-handedly kept New York from the abyss overnight.


Right after De Blasio won, the local Fox 5 reporter stated how he was going to introduce extreme liberalism.
 
2013-11-14 01:24:15 PM  

NeverDrunk23: Right after De Blasio won, the local Fox 5 reporter stated how he was going to introduce extreme liberalism.


And then during commercial break, they bought time interviewing a former American Idol contestant while handlers scoured the streets, making sure Greg Kelly hadn't raped anybody.
 
2013-11-14 01:34:23 PM  

Gulper Eel: xsarien: The election was a landslide for a reason

Yeah, there are five Democrats for every one Republican in New York City. It's hard for even NYC Democrats to screw up with a head start like that but damned if they don't pull it off once in a while.


Welcome to NYC, where there's no law requiring a Democrat to vote for a Democrat or a Republican to vote for a Republican.

/ How's life in 'Murica?
 
2013-11-14 01:35:43 PM  

EyeballKid: NeverDrunk23: Right after De Blasio won, the local Fox 5 reporter stated how he was going to introduce extreme liberalism.

And then during commercial break, they bought time interviewing a former American Idol contestant while handlers scoured the streets, making sure Greg Kelly hadn't raped anybody.


You take that back. Greg Kelly is a national treasure. And also never charged with rape
 
2013-11-14 01:38:50 PM  

skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.


False dilemma.
 
2013-11-14 01:39:45 PM  

dynomutt: The job isn't done until the XXX PEEP SHOWs come back to Times Square, sorry.


If they bring back the grindhouse movie theaters I will travel to NYC and spend some money
 
2013-11-14 01:47:23 PM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits


Why would republicans support such a socialst concept?
 
2013-11-14 01:50:53 PM  

skullkrusher: You take that back. Greg Kelly is a national treasure. And also never charged with rape


Really? Must have known somebody.
 
2013-11-14 01:51:22 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.


In what regard. That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades. Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat. What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating? No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school. Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

Pretend DeBlasio was a Republican and the letter grades were applied to corporate environmental protections.
 
2013-11-14 01:52:39 PM  

spongeboob: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits

Why would republicans support such a socialst concept?


Because nyc republicans aren't very republicany?
 
2013-11-14 01:53:32 PM  

EyeballKid: skullkrusher: You take that back. Greg Kelly is a national treasure. And also never charged with rape

Really? Must have known somebody.


Yeah. A girl who lied about getting raped by him
 
2013-11-14 02:12:27 PM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.


I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.
 
2013-11-14 02:35:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.


Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement. It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.
 
2013-11-14 02:41:03 PM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.

Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement.


So it's not really a detriment.

 It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.

You keep saying this, and appear to be rebutting an argument that was never made.
 
2013-11-14 02:44:32 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.

Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement.

So it's not really a detriment.

 It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.

You keep saying this, and appear to be rebutting an argument that was never made.


His argument is that letter grades lack nuance and that's why they must be eliminated. No word on what nuance makes an F school not a shiathole. It's pretty straightforward.
 
2013-11-14 02:54:04 PM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.

Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement.

So it's not really a detriment.

 It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.

You keep saying this, and appear to be rebutting an argument that was never made.

His argument is that letter grades lack nuance and that's why they must be eliminated. No word on what nuance makes an F school not a shiathole. It's pretty straightforward.


No. I can't even really see a path of thinking that leads you here.

"Letter grades don't tell the whole story" doesn't mean "This failing school isn't failing".
 
2013-11-14 04:24:39 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: He sides with the union over parents and you run cover for him.

False dilemma.

In what regard.

I just don't see getting rid of the letter grades side taking. You don't need to pick a side to arrive at his conclusion.

 That's the only good reason to remove these letter grades.

No, but we've gone over that.

 Makes it too easy for parents to know their kids' schools are shiat.

I also don't see reading as hard.

 What sort of "nuance". Would be provided in reading the reasons behind an F rating?

Maybe why it got an F?

 No amount of subtlety is going to make that a good school.

Making a crap school look better isn't the goal. The assessment is still getting done. It just doesn't have a McDonalds drive thru menu methodology applied as a summary.

 Ergo, he sides with the one group which stands to benefit from dropping the grades to the detriment of the people who are entrusting their kids to them.

You've yet to explain what the "benefit" is, or why reading is a detriment to parents.

Any easy and quick way to evaluate school performance and compare to other schools without having to sift through reviews to do so. Of course this doesn't preclude parents from also reading the details to see what needs improvement.

So it's not really a detriment.

 It's terrible, I know. Because nuance makes a D school not a cesspit of future failures.

You keep saying this, and appear to be rebutting an argument that was never made.

His argument is that letter grades lack nuance and that's why they must be eliminated. No word on what nuance makes an F school not a shiathole. It's pretty straightforward.

No. I can't even really see a path of thinking that leads you here.

"Letter grades don't tell the whole story" doesn't mean "This failing school isn't failing".


The letter grade system contains the full story. It just summarizes the story in a way some segments of NYC would prefer obscured
 
2013-11-14 04:31:47 PM  

skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much


Yeah, the new(ish) voting system is a little farked in terms of privacy. There's not much point to the little folder thing when you have to whip out the bubbled in ballot to feed it into the scanner. And the spacing makes it pretty easy to see who you voted for even from a decent distance. I don't really care myself , but I could imagine a situation where you wouldn't want your crackpot right wing neighbor whose using the scanner next to you to see you voted a straight socialist workers party ticket (and vice versa). Also, handing in your signed numbered c
 
2013-11-14 04:34:34 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Yeah, the new(ish) voting system is a little farked in terms of privacy. There's not much point to the little folder thing when you have to whip out the bubbled in ballot to feed it into the scanner. And the spacing makes it pretty easy to see who you voted for even from a decent distance. I don't really care myself , but I could imagine a situation where you wouldn't want your crackpot right wing neighbor whose using the scanner next to you to see you voted a straight socialist workers party ticket (and vice versa). Also, handing in your signed numbered c


[farking phone]

card u get when signing in when u vote seems creepy too.

On the good side it looked like the machines had a print backup of votes being cast. A little harder to play around w electronic voting at least.
 
2013-11-14 04:47:54 PM  

glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.


His track record aside, the electronic NYC voting machines are pretty not private in a couple ways. See my above post.
 
2013-11-14 04:50:49 PM  
Rather than worry about the school, I must admit I am a fan of restoring and even expanding public defecation.
 
2013-11-14 04:55:18 PM  

skullkrusher: The letter grade system contains the full story.


That's not really possible.

 It just summarizes the story in a way some segments of NYC would prefer obscured

So they're obscuring a single letter by providing a detailed report? That makes sense to you?
 
2013-11-14 06:09:05 PM  

Gulper Eel: Wall Street is to NYC what the auto industry was to Detroit,


No, it's not. Wall St. has been moving out for a few decades. And NYC has far more variety of businesses in play. This is a very simplistic view of NYC.
 
2013-11-14 06:26:48 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Gulper Eel: Wall Street is to NYC what the auto industry was to Detroit,

No, it's not. Wall St. has been moving out for a few decades. And NYC has far more variety of businesses in play. This is a very simplistic view of NYC.


Of course that was completely wrong, but what he really meant to say is that public policy must always put the interests of the rich ahead of everything else, or else they'll go away to some place where they won't be taxed, like England!!!

Oh God I just laughed so hard I almost got a hernia.
 
2013-11-14 09:00:05 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: No, it's not. Wall St. has been moving out for a few decades. And NYC has far more variety of businesses in play.


Variety doesn't hurt, of course.

But when it comes to who's kicking in the most money to the taxman - which is what's really going to matter to DeBlasio when it comes time to keep all those promises he made - that tiny part of Lower Manhattan accounts for 14-20% of the state's tax revenue and 7-13% of the city's tax collections.

He has to make nice with them, because it's easier than ever before for companies to bail.
 
2013-11-14 09:45:57 PM  

Gulper Eel: keep all those promises he made


Let's see how many he actually can get beyond the City Council and Albany and then let's see where we are first. Also, I don't see where he will tax businesses, just rich people. They are certainly free to move out, and they have taken over large parts of the city and screwed up the real estate market for generations to come. I am part of the 4%, and I can't afford much of the NY that I grew up with.
 
2013-11-15 12:21:35 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

His track record aside, the electronic NYC voting machines are pretty not private in a couple ways. See my above post.


Yeah, and like I said in a later post (I think, the gin is hittin me pretty he'd right now), I'm sure that kind of thing happens, but I wouldn't put it past him to lie about it personally happening to him just to have something to biatch about here on fark.
 
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