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2013-11-14 07:55:44 AM
Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.
 
2013-11-14 07:56:15 AM
The butthurt is strong in this one
 
2013-11-14 08:01:43 AM

stratagos: The butthurt is strong in this one


A Republican lost an election:
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2013-11-14 08:02:41 AM
Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.
 
2013-11-14 08:02:47 AM
TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!
 
2013-11-14 08:03:40 AM

Dhusk: TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!


Thanks, because that didn't quite look like English.
 
2013-11-14 08:12:14 AM
A neighbor swears by his son's charter school. Said the kid was being hampered by the teachers having to slow lessons down for English-as-a-second-language pupils.

When I attended the public schools here, everyone spoke 'Merican.
 
2013-11-14 08:13:21 AM

Dhusk: TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!


It;s not that this sort of thing is intrinsic to any point of view - but it is intrinsic ti human personalities who have become spoiled by too much success.
We stand at the end of the Reagan years. The Right had it's way with the nation for more than a quarter century, making huge progress toward their agenda on all but a few fronts.
Now, that political tide has been reversed, and is starting to flow backward. And a spoiled, complacent Right isn't taking it well.
In another couple of cycles, they'll become accustomed to getting their asses kicked, and quit whining so loud.
At that point, they will hopefully engage in some reflection, and move toward the center.
 
2013-11-14 08:14:21 AM

Alphax: Dhusk: TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!

Thanks, because that didn't quite look like English.


I'm surprised the headline didn't include: 'Yea, the numbers said we lost, but since it wasn't a TOTAL knock-out that changed voting forever, WE actually won!!'
 
2013-11-14 08:16:20 AM

jso2897: We stand at the end of the Reagan years.


wow. so, so, so naive. Hilarious how much credit you give people.
 
2013-11-14 08:17:27 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.


Yep. And the "reformers" mostly just focus on the good ones and ignore all the shiatty ones when making their arguments.

It's also the case that many of the "good" charter schools pick and choose their students. Public schools can't (and shouldn't) do that.
 
2013-11-14 08:20:29 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: A neighbor swears by his son's charter school. Said the kid was being hampered by the teachers having to slow lessons down for English-as-a-second-language pupils.

When I attended the public schools here, everyone spoke 'Merican.


When my family came to Greece in the late 40s/early 50s as refugees from the Greek civil war, the youngest sibling (my great uncle) had to attend special ed classes until his English caught up. In New York. 60+ years ago.

/Ended up a prolific journalist and author
//Also the first to hear the Watergate tapes
 
2013-11-14 08:34:16 AM
Why the fark did I waste a click on that article? dammitsomuch
 
2013-11-14 08:42:34 AM
Ah, nostalgia for the Dinkins era by DeBlasio.
 
2013-11-14 08:45:03 AM
The job isn't done until the XXX PEEP SHOWs come back to Times Square, sorry.
 
2013-11-14 08:47:07 AM
Is every DeBlasio thread going to involve the sky falling? It's amazing how Michael Bloomberg, gun-hatin' moral scold who wanted to take muh sody pops turned into the man who single-handedly kept New York from the abyss overnight.
 
2013-11-14 08:47:52 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.


This. My cousin almost put her kids in a charter school, but went for a district run TAG school instead. This turned out to be a good thing as the charter school started dropping in the ranks, quickly.

Turns out they started losing good teachers who figured out they'd make more at UPS or the local office of whatever business. At those places they also didn't have to deal with snotty brats. Win / win for them.
 
2013-11-14 08:50:06 AM

oryx: Ah, nostalgia for the Dinkins era by DeBlasio.


I love seeing Conservatives have a freaking fit over DeBlasio. It's like the whole Obama=Carter thing: living in the farking past IS THE PROBLEM WITH CONSERVATIVES. They can't see that it's incredibly hard to "slide back" to bad days, which is funny because they want to "slide back" to good days, particularly the ones that never existed.
 
2013-11-14 08:50:20 AM
Lis Smith, a spokeswoman for Mr. de Blasio, said on Wednesday that letter grades offered "little real insight to parents and are not a reliable indicator of how schools are actually performing."
Mr. de Blasio has said he would continue to make available the detailed report cards that accompany the letter grades given to schools each year,



So, they are going to continue Bloombergs program but not give the letter grade that gives no real insight but publish the accompanying documentation that provieds the insight?  Sounds like butthurt to me.
 
2013-11-14 08:53:30 AM

BSABSVR: Is every DeBlasio thread going to involve the sky falling? It's amazing how Michael Bloomberg, gun-hatin' moral scold who wanted to take muh sody pops turned into the man who single-handedly kept New York from the abyss overnight.


They're hailing him as some conservative hero now, it's hysterical.
 
2013-11-14 08:54:44 AM

inglixthemad: TofuTheAlmighty: Some charter schools are good, most are middling, and some are genuine scams. But the good charters rely on a labor model which is impossible to sustain - young, motivated teachers who work for peanuts.

This. My cousin almost put her kids in a charter school, but went for a district run TAG school instead. This turned out to be a good thing as the charter school started dropping in the ranks, quickly.

Turns out they started losing good teachers who figured out they'd make more at UPS or the local office of whatever business. At those places they also didn't have to deal with snotty brats. Win / win for them.


Your cousin is smart.

On a related note, I know that our local teachers union is working on unionizing charter schools one school at a time out here in sunny So-Cal.  I wish them the best of luck.
 
2013-11-14 08:55:53 AM

BSABSVR: Is every DeBlasio thread going to involve the sky falling? It's amazing how Michael Bloomberg, gun-hatin' moral scold who wanted to take muh sody pops turned into the man who single-handedly kept New York from the abyss overnight.


Reminds me of all the Republicans in 2008 who had so many nice things to say about Hillary Clinton...once Barack Obama was the Democratic nominee. Wonder what they're saying about her now?


But, don't you DARE call them disingenuous!

/Because, honestly, most of them won't know what that word means.
 
2013-11-14 08:56:54 AM
Sniveling Republican butthurt.

Forever.
 
2013-11-14 09:03:12 AM

Dhusk: TRANSLATION OF HEADLINE:

Waaaaahhhhh, my guy lost!  I'm going to pout and biatch and post mean things about the winner online!  That will show them!


I thought the headline was supposed to be sarcastic.
 
2013-11-14 09:04:56 AM
My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much
 
2013-11-14 09:09:29 AM
The letter grades are appallingly stupid, and I'm not surprised that Jeb Bush is pushing for them. When I had to go to school in Florida, I was at one of the best schools in the entire state - a rare oasis of good teaching in a wasteland of derp. And yet the stupid Bush administration would switch between an A and B every year because of minor, random fluctuations in test scores - the school was already performing as well as it could given the level of funding and quality of students brought up from lower grades, and when your graduation rate is 99% or whatever, you don't really have room to go up. This cost administrators and teachers huge amounts of money in bonuses, and ended up driving some of the best to emigrate to other states or switch to private schools - and that did kill the school about four years after I graduated.

Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.
 
2013-11-14 09:11:20 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.


NYC charter schools are all non-profits
 
2013-11-14 09:18:14 AM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: AMonkey'sUncle: A neighbor swears by his son's charter school. Said the kid was being hampered by the teachers having to slow lessons down for English-as-a-second-language pupils.

When I attended the public schools here, everyone spoke 'Merican.

When my family came to Greece in the late 40s/early 50s as refugees from the Greek civil war, the youngest sibling (my great uncle) had to attend special ed classes until his English caught up. In New York. 60+ years ago.

/Ended up a prolific journalist and author
//Also the first to hear the Watergate tapes


CSB:

When I went to Stuyvesant, a goodly percentage of my classmates were of Greek background. They had the advantage of being able to talk about the rest of us, without our being able to understand.
 
2013-11-14 09:20:59 AM

flucto: jso2897: We stand at the end of the Reagan years.

wow. so, so, so naive. Hilarious how much credit you give people.


One thing you can actually count on people to do is die.
Demographics are real. The Spirit of Nate Silver points and  laughs at people who don't think demographics are real.
I have seen all this before - I am sixty-three. So I may be deaf, blind, and real, real stupid (maybe-maybe not) but I am not naive.
 
2013-11-14 09:23:33 AM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits


Ahahahahahahahahah holy shiat you continue to be an idiot. Only the formal corporation of the school must be nonprofit, and any schools employing a for-profit management company can keep it. The management companies have gone around that rather toothless rule quite easily. They hand out huge paychecks and bonuses to often nominal CEOs. The *only* requirement is that the charter school's base corporation make no profit and that new management contracts must be piecemeal. That's all.
 
2013-11-14 09:26:39 AM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits


They require money to operate, it's not coming out of the director's pocket.
 
2013-11-14 09:26:40 AM
there's no way he can be worse than Nanny Bloomberg and wanting to ban everything he didn't like.
 
2013-11-14 09:27:43 AM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits


The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.
 
2013-11-14 09:28:22 AM

skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much


Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.
 
2013-11-14 09:28:51 AM

captainktainer: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits

Ahahahahahahahahah holy shiat you continue to be an idiot. Only the formal corporation of the school must be nonprofit, and any schools employing a for-profit management company can keep it. The management companies have gone around that rather toothless rule quite easily. They hand out huge paychecks and bonuses to often nominal CEOs. The *only* requirement is that the charter school's base corporation make no profit and that new management contracts must be piecemeal. That's all.


Also that. Non-profit doesn't generally mean what people think it does, and there are massive loopholes in how these things are arranged.
 
2013-11-14 09:32:26 AM

captainktainer: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a real shame that Bloomberg can't clear out public schools to give his buddies free real estate to run their scam charter schools from.

NYC charter schools are all non-profits

Ahahahahahahahahah holy shiat you continue to be an idiot. Only the formal corporation of the school must be nonprofit, and any schools employing a for-profit management company can keep it. The management companies have gone around that rather toothless rule quite easily. They hand out huge paychecks and bonuses to often nominal CEOs. The *only* requirement is that the charter school's base corporation make no profit and that new management contracts must be piecemeal. That's all.


Sweet article on the high salaries of some nonprofit execs. I don't think that few hundred thousand a year quite puts them in the Bloomberg buddies realm. 10% of charter schools employ an external management company that is for profit.

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up
 
2013-11-14 09:32:44 AM
I'd just like to say that I hope the trend of electing people like this guy continues.
i255.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-14 09:33:07 AM

captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.


So they're public schools, but cheaper?
 
2013-11-14 09:33:55 AM

glmorrs1: Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.


Oh, come on! When have you ever seen an advocate for charter schools blatantly and unapologetically deceive people for their own sake?

www.washingtonpost.com
Okay, okay, aside from her...
 
2013-11-14 09:34:13 AM

glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.


Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.


Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.
 
2013-11-14 09:34:45 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Also that. Non-profit doesn't generally mean what people think it does, and there are massive loopholes in how these things are arranged.


More of the first part than the second part.  Non-profit means the overall goal and viability of the company isn't based around making money.  It doesn't necessarily mean that they don't make money overall... and most of them do, obviously especially the ones that don't rely on donations, because otherwise they'd fail.

Basically the main difference is that a non-profit is very much limited to its charter and stated mission, and in what they can do with their money if they're tax-exempt.  Typically they're legally encouraged to invest any profit back into the company.
 
2013-11-14 09:35:13 AM
Just don't do a reshatnerification and we should be  fine.
comicbook.com
 
2013-11-14 09:35:59 AM

glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.


Yeah? Which track record is that? You have an example or 2? What about my little story is so unbelievable? Have you ever voted in NYC? There are election volunteers helping people at the
machines. If the machine isn't taking the ballot, they try to determine why. I live on the UWS where I am probably the only one who didn't vote for DeBlasio. Really stings when you're trying to nail someone and just come out looking the fool, doesn't it?
 
2013-11-14 09:37:00 AM

FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?


More expensive. Pretty universally.
 
2013-11-14 09:38:08 AM

captainktainer: glmorrs1: skullkrusher: My voting form was farked up so the machine wasn't scanning it. The lady at the machine checked to make sure all my circles were filled in properly and had a genuine look of surprise seeing I was voting for Blow a Lhota instead of Deblahsio. So easy to surprise people on the UWS.
Secret ballots though, not so much

Given your track record if being dishonest and full of shiat, I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, that didn't happen.

Of all the bullshiat he's peddled over the years this is one of the few things that I think has had the potential (not likelihood; potential) to be accurate. The secrecy of my ballot was compromised when I had to fill out a provisional ballot in my state senate race last year. The poll-watchers noticed and advised me on how to protect my ballot in the future; people made some mistakes. It's quite possible considering the clusterfark that is the Board of Elections that a poll worker saw and was unprofessional.

Stopheles: The administrators (excuse me, "CEOs") are paid ridiculous salaries for, in many cases, unproven or disappointing results.  As with much of Bloomberg's initiatives, the coddling of charters in public school buildings is easy to read as an attempt to "boil the frog" towards privatization of public services.

Janitorial services are paid for by the host schools in all of the charters that are stealing space from public schools. Same with heating, cooling, etc. Everything that doesn't go to teacher payroll is pure profit for the associated contractors.


She wasn't unprofessional. She just had an involuntary reaction of surprise. I found it amusing. I don't know why this is so terribly controversial.
 
2013-11-14 09:38:43 AM

captainktainer: The letter grades are appallingly stupid, and I'm not surprised that Jeb Bush is pushing for them. When I had to go to school in Florida, I was at one of the best schools in the entire state - a rare oasis of good teaching in a wasteland of derp. And yet the stupid Bush administration would switch between an A and B every year because of minor, random fluctuations in test scores - the school was already performing as well as it could given the level of funding and quality of students brought up from lower grades, and when your graduation rate is 99% or whatever, you don't really have room to go up. This cost administrators and teachers huge amounts of money in bonuses, and ended up driving some of the best to emigrate to other states or switch to private schools - and that did kill the school about four years after I graduated.

Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.


Rather like the public schtuools.
 
2013-11-14 09:39:15 AM

captainktainer: FLMountainMan: captainktainer: Also, charter schools are horrible. You have a couple of good ones, but lots of them are absolute scams and an absolute blight on the nation.

So they're public schools, but cheaper?

More expensive. Pretty universally.


Lemme guess... Public school teacher? Certainly not a parent of a good student in NYC
 
2013-11-14 09:39:22 AM

Jim_Callahan: Typically they're legally encouraged to invest any profit back into the company.


Sometimes that means exorbitant executive salaries. Typically when people take a shiat on the way a non-profit is operating that is what they are typically referring to.

\typically
 
2013-11-14 09:41:12 AM
skullkrusher:

As for me "continuing to be an idiot" I don't recognize your name. I bet you really raked me over the coals one time in your mind though didn't have the nerve to speak up

You have been a blight on Fark for years. There's a reason why in every thread you show your face you are either ignored or roundly called out as an idiot. You have a talent for bullshiat, I'll give you that, but in every possible way you are a threadshiatter of the most annoying kind.
 
2013-11-14 09:43:34 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: They can't see that it's incredibly hard to "slide back" to bad days


You're looking in the wrong direction. New York City has slid from prosperity into the shiatter before, most recently about 50 years ago under Lindsay and straight on through Dinkins. There's no reason the same mistakes can't be made again.

Detroit slid forward into the bad days and has stayed there for almost 50 years now.

Wall Street is to NYC what the auto industry was to Detroit, and if DeBlasio actually gets anywhere with his when-in-doubt-piss-on-rich-people strategy, the financial-sector golden goose that's been paying for New York's enormous public sector (and the sweet pensions that come with public-sector employment) will figure out that it doesn't have to live out its days being chased around the City Hall barnyard and can fly away to friendlier climates anywhere in the world.

And that'll bring the city the worst of both worlds - all the rich assholes still boutiquifying the city, while the businesses they run move to whatever location is friendliest to capital.

London in particular will be psyched.
 
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