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2013-11-13 11:36:58 PM  
This man makes me wish I was catholic.
 
2013-11-13 11:52:52 PM  
Obviously he doesn't represent Republican Jesus, just some liberal, socialist, probably foreign, Jesus. Nothing Real 'Merkins need concern themselves with.
 
2013-11-14 12:42:35 AM  
Pope is against fraking in bed outside of the marriage. Nothing new here. Move along.
 
2013-11-14 12:52:59 AM  
And I bet the Pope won't quit halfway through his first term.
 
2013-11-14 12:57:02 AM  
Well that's it, I'm not voting for him in the next election.
 
2013-11-14 01:00:24 AM  

CruiserTwelve: And I bet the Pope won't quit halfway through his first term.


The last one did.
 
2013-11-14 01:14:09 AM  
I think this fits with his existing experience.  He won't come out against fracking specifically, but he will come out against taking advantage of God's gifts (the planet) for profit. It's a very big economic concern for developing countries, particularly in South America.  That those countries are also losing ground in the Catholic faith is pertinent, too.

Jesuits are liberal technocrats. "Liberal" at least as far as the Church is concerned, not as far as Fark is concerned.  Francis is solving problems as he sees fit without having to change any church doctrine.  While the conservative Catholic wing is alarmed, he's actually just laying a base for a future Pope to come along and change some of the rules.  He hasn't actually changed anything in doctrine.  He's just re-focusing priorities.

Think of it like this:  If you want to explain the Constitution, you don't immediately bring up the 3/5ths compromise.  You choose the highlights first.
 
2013-11-14 01:14:46 AM  

propasaurus: CruiserTwelve: And I bet the Pope won't quit halfway through his first term.

The last one did.


Not true, that man could live to be 100!
 
2013-11-14 01:37:50 AM  
The best part is that he has been just doing and observing those things that are like the whole point of the gospels.  Sarah Palin is a ding bat so it is hard to count her, but it won't be long a lot more fundies are going to start up.  See, the thing is, when you see someone actually doing those things and living it out, well it starts reminding people of why they thought this whole religion thing was a good idea and they will fight tooth and nail here to see that does not happen.  The fundies are a quasi religi-politiic organization now.

Keep on Pope'en.  I think I might visit the Vatican next year.

Comparte el Evangelio en todo momento, y si es necesario, el uso de las palabras.  - St. Francis of Assisi
 
2013-11-14 01:49:13 AM  
can't refudiate that
 
2013-11-14 01:50:07 AM  
*paging oldfarthenry, pick up the white courtesy phone, oldfarthenry*
 
2013-11-14 03:42:40 AM  
Eventually conservatives have to admit they aren't actually Christian. Their religion consists primarily of conveinient contrivances and has little to do with the teachings of the protagonist in their stories.
 
2013-11-14 04:08:32 AM  
I think among many old cultures, well poisoning was one of the worst crimes someone could do.  You make the water supply undrinkable, and lots of people die.

This seems like a natural extension of that.
 
2013-11-14 04:14:30 AM  
Pope opposes fracking

Awesome. Now all we need is someone hellbent on demonstrating to the thread how fracking is safe and overblown by Sierra Club Liberals.
 
2013-11-14 04:23:42 AM  
Way to go Sarah. Now he's going to tell God how stupid you are.
 
2013-11-14 04:25:04 AM  

HooskerDoo: Way to go Sarah. Now he's going to tell God how stupid you are.


Oh, He knows.
 
2013-11-14 04:35:39 AM  
Al Fracking raped my mother.
 
2013-11-14 04:36:03 AM  

MrBallou: Obviously he doesn't represent Republican Jesus, just some liberal, socialist, probably foreign, Jesus. Nothing Real 'Merkins need concern themselves with.


Who know what the pope will lie about next, maybe he will claim Jesus was a middle eastern Jew, probably of a somewhat swarthy complexion, rather than how we know Jesus really was: a white Anglo Saxon protestant American.
 
2013-11-14 04:39:40 AM  
...the Pope mentioned that he is preparing an encyclical about nature, humans and environmental pollution.

This should be good.

Just when I thought I couldn't like this Pope any more than I already did.

Nice.
 
2013-11-14 04:40:05 AM  
meh. I'll wait and see what science says about it, not the pope.
 
2013-11-14 04:41:18 AM  
His oath of celibacy prevents him from fracking.
 
2013-11-14 05:12:02 AM  

xria: MrBallou: Obviously he doesn't represent Republican Jesus, just some liberal, socialist, probably foreign, Jesus. Nothing Real 'Merkins need concern themselves with.

Who know what the pope will lie about next, maybe he will claim Jesus was a middle eastern Jew, probably of a somewhat swarthy complexion, rather than how we know Jesus really was: a white Anglo Saxon protestant American.


BillMurrayYoureAwesome.jpeg
 
2013-11-14 05:17:58 AM  

gunslinger_RG: Comparte el Evangelio en todo momento, y si es necesario, el uso de las palabras. - St. Francis of Assisi Rand Paul


fixed
 
2013-11-14 05:29:46 AM  
Is Sarah stupid enough to pick a fight with the Pope. Maybe she should be a guest on SNL, and tear up his picture in an impromptu moment?
 
2013-11-14 05:34:53 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Is Sarah stupid enough to pick a fight with the Pope. Maybe she should be a guest on SNL, and tear up his picture in an impromptu moment?


For kinda the opposite reasons as the first time?

'He's not as cruel as we want!'
 
2013-11-14 05:39:22 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Is Sarah stupid enough to pick a fight with the Pope. Maybe she should be a guest on SNL, and tear up his picture in an impromptu moment?


I'd pay $10 bucks to see that. Pope would call up the show right then and there.

This pope really knows how to pope, that's for sure
 
2013-11-14 05:43:56 AM  
This Pope does seem a be a bit more classy then the last few.

Now, if he would openly do something about the whole child molestation thing, publicly acknowledge it, and condemn it.
 
2013-11-14 05:44:31 AM  
Pope (Anti-) Frakcis.
 
2013-11-14 06:02:39 AM  

MayoSlather: Eventually conservatives have to admit they aren't actually Christian. Their religion consists primarily of conveinient contrivances and has little to do with the teachings of the protagonist in their stories.


This. Their god is the invisible hand of the free market. When push comes to shove, the reason I dropped conservative politics is because I couldn't reconcile them with what I believe that Christ taught about what really matters. Screw the poor and destroy the environment is contrary to everything scripture says about caring for the poor and being a good steward of creation.
 
2013-11-14 06:02:47 AM  

SilentStrider: This man makes me wish I was catholic.


It is awesome seeing a "Man of Christ" actually act like a "Man of Christ". Especially one the religious right cannot dismiss no matter how much Pope Francis by actually "talking the talk and walking the walk" unintentionally trolls them.
 
2013-11-14 06:06:49 AM  

MayoSlather: Eventually conservatives have to admit they aren't actually Christian. Their religion consists primarily of conveinient contrivances and has little to do with the teachings of the protagonist in their stories.


Evangelicals (hell, a lot of mainstream Protestants as well) do not consider Catholics to be Christian. In many ways they are thought of in the same light as the Jews except with less importance on doctrine.

I wish I was joking.
 
2013-11-14 06:07:47 AM  

gunslinger_RG: The best part is that he has been just doing and observing those things that are like the whole point of the gospels.  Sarah Palin is a ding bat so it is hard to count her, but it won't be long a lot more fundies are going to start up.  See, the thing is, when you see someone actually doing those things and living it out, well it starts reminding people of why they thought this whole religion thing was a good idea and they will fight tooth and nail here to see that does not happen.  The fundies are a quasi religi-politiic organization now.

Keep on Pope'en.  I think I might visit the Vatican next year.

Comparte el Evangelio en todo momento, y si es necesario, el uso de las palabras.  - St. Francis of Assisi


"Keep on Pope'en" could change the face of the vintage t-shirt industry
 
2013-11-14 06:13:54 AM  
This pope is secretly Muslim. It couldn't be more obvious.
 
2013-11-14 06:16:03 AM  
This won't last long, I fear. Too bad too. He's a keeper in my book.
 
2013-11-14 06:26:12 AM  

heavymetal: SilentStrider: This man makes me wish I was catholic.

It is awesome seeing a "Man of Christ" actually act like a "Man of Christ". Especially one the religious right cannot dismiss no matter how much Pope Francis by actually "talking the talk and walking the walk" unintentionally trolls them.


it makes me wonder what the sermons at church are like, as the bigots try to reconcile a pope who actually preaches tolerance and love instead of hatred and condemnation. I mean, I guess I could go into the church myself and hear it first hand but that would entail going to a service.
 
2013-11-14 06:35:44 AM  
Modern American Conservative Christians are not any of those things.
They are not conservatives - they are right wing radical terrorists.
They are Americans - their loyalty lies outside of and distinct from America and her citizens.
They are not Christians - they are militant, reactionary Old Testament Jews, who have mostly rejected the teachings of Jesus.
They are the equivalent of Muslims, and just as murderous and bloody minded - fortunately, they are cowardly and few, unlike Muslims.
 
2013-11-14 06:42:28 AM  

Jaws_Victim: heavymetal: SilentStrider: This man makes me wish I was catholic.

It is awesome seeing a "Man of Christ" actually act like a "Man of Christ". Especially one the religious right cannot dismiss no matter how much Pope Francis by actually "talking the talk and walking the walk" unintentionally trolls them.

it makes me wonder what the sermons at church are like, as the bigots try to reconcile a pope who actually preaches tolerance and love instead of hatred and condemnation. I mean, I guess I could go into the church myself and hear it first hand but that would entail going to a service.


My guess is the politically active conservative Catholics have bastardized the message through their interpretations that the meaning of the words go in one ear and out the other during mass. It's the rituals and dogma they are into more than the message. It's about feeling superior than those who don't share their faith rather than acts of charity.

I think the problem comes when Pope Francis starts doing the defining of the message and they read it or see it on TV, which messes with them.
 
2013-11-14 06:43:32 AM  

BolloxReader: MayoSlather: Eventually conservatives have to admit they aren't actually Christian. Their religion consists primarily of conveinient contrivances and has little to do with the teachings of the protagonist in their stories.

Evangelicals (hell, a lot of mainstream Protestants as well) do not consider Catholics to be Christian. In many ways they are thought of in the same light as the Jews except with less importance on doctrine.

I wish I was joking.


This. The KKK was as anti-Catholic they were anti-non-white-people.

To be fair tho, Episcopals and ELCA Lutherans are cool with Catholics.
 
2013-11-14 06:45:44 AM  

gunslinger_RG: ....  The fundies are a quasi religi-politiic organization now. Republicans, not Christians

Keep on Pope'en.  I think I might visit the Vatican next year.

Comparte el Evangelio en todo momento, y si es necesario, el uso de las palabras.  - St. Francis of Assisi

 
2013-11-14 06:54:24 AM  

Heliovdrake: This Pope does seem a be a bit more classy then the last few.

Now, if he would openly do something about the whole child molestation thing, publicly acknowledge it, and condemn it.


He acknowledged and condemned it a week or two ago saying that those caught doing such things should be punished as harshly as possible or something to that effect.

As for doing something about it himself, i have a feeling that's not something he'd put out a press statement for.
 
2013-11-14 06:56:13 AM  
Okay, I understand the "he hasn't moved on pedophilia so much that hundreds of priests are in jail" and "there's still povery in the world and the Church is rich" and "they still hate the gays and won't allow women priests" mentality.

But that haters HAVE to give him this.
 
2013-11-14 07:05:42 AM  

enry: BolloxReader: MayoSlather: Eventually conservatives have to admit they aren't actually Christian. Their religion consists primarily of conveinient contrivances and has little to do with the teachings of the protagonist in their stories.

Evangelicals (hell, a lot of mainstream Protestants as well) do not consider Catholics to be Christian. In many ways they are thought of in the same light as the Jews except with less importance on doctrine.

I wish I was joking.

This. The KKK was as anti-Catholic they were anti-non-white-people.

To be fair tho, Episcopals and ELCA Lutherans are cool with Catholics.


Yeah but even growing up ELCA I heard people insist that Catholicism is distinct from Christianity. My last pastor was very much of that school of thought.

If he had been my instructor for confirmation classes I never would have gone through it. Maybe it is just small town Indiana, I went to a UMC church once and the whole congregation was very "if you don't agree 100% then don't stick around." And I know from my ex-inlaws that that was a notion foreign to many UMC.

But evangelicals don't care what denomination you are, I've known Quiverfull families from all sorts of backgrounds including Catholic. Which makes the whole "Catholics aren't Christian" line even more absurd. Makes my head hurt sometimes as the talking points change from exchange to exchange with the same person.
 
2013-11-14 07:06:07 AM  

Lsherm: Think of it like this: If you want to explain the Constitution, you don't immediately bring up the 3/5ths compromise. You choose the highlights first.


HURRDURR!!! THEY BANNED BOOZE! THE CONSTITUTION IS EVIL!!!
 
2013-11-14 07:09:29 AM  
This Pope is so much like Francis of Assisi, he makes Sarah McLachlan on sight.
 
2013-11-14 07:12:38 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: This Pope is so much like Francis of Assisi, he makes Sarah McLachlan on sight.


Did you forget a word or two?
 
2013-11-14 07:13:19 AM  

SilentStrider: This man makes me wish I was catholic.



I'm not an expert, but I think you can be, if you'd like.
 
2013-11-14 07:13:45 AM  

Heliovdrake: Now, if he would openly do something about the whole child molestation thing, publicly acknowledge it, and condemn it.


OtherLittleGuy: Okay, I understand the "he hasn't moved on pedophilia so much that hundreds of priests are in jail"



Actually, that's coming. The reason Benedict abdicated was to appoint someone whom he could assist in ridding the church of "the filth," as he calls it, since he didn't feel he could get it done while he still held the papacy due to the mind-boggling amounts of red tape and bureaucracy involved. The two of them have been working behind the scenes for a while because the sheer scope of the problem, and its entrenchment in the system of the church, makes it untenable to fight by purely public means.

tl;dr Francis and Joe Ratzinger are quietly getting all their ducks in a row before they blow the lid on the scandal to ensure that everyone who should be thoroughly screwed is screwed, and little boys aren't.
 
2013-11-14 07:15:36 AM  

whidbey: Pope opposes fracking

Awesome. Now all we need is someone hellbent on demonstrating to the thread how fracking is safe and overblown by Sierra Club Liberals.


No one has to be hellbent on anything. Fracking is not only safe, it is actually a convenient and inexpensive way for homeowners to keep their homes warm in winter.

Just check out this link and this link. Over the last two years, Fracking has been saving homeowners hundreds of dollars a year in energy costs. Need to keep your house warm, but the gas company dicking you over? Merely turn your faucets to a light drip (something you have to do anyway in the winter to keep pipes from freezing so this is win-win...duh!) and light a match. Heater in your own bathroom!

As for the critics? Oh, never mind about them. The PR teams of companies like Range Resources are working hard to make sure that critics truly understand the benefits of Fracking and countering the claims with tangible facts about just how safe it really is.
 
2013-11-14 07:17:11 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Lsherm: Think of it like this: If you want to explain the Constitution, you don't immediately bring up the 3/5ths compromise. You choose the highlights first.

HURRDURR!!! THEY BANNED BOOZE! THE CONSTITUTION IS EVIL!!!


I *think* what Lsherm was getting at was that the Constitution isn't 'evil' but that it can be influenced by extremists and it's not infallible.

Hence, a living document.

or I could just be reading too much into his statement.
 
2013-11-14 07:18:48 AM  

Spaced Lion: Heliovdrake: Now, if he would openly do something about the whole child molestation thing, publicly acknowledge it, and condemn it.

OtherLittleGuy: Okay, I understand the "he hasn't moved on pedophilia so much that hundreds of priests are in jail"


Actually, that's coming. The reason Benedict abdicated was to appoint someone whom he could assist in ridding the church of "the filth," as he calls it, since he didn't feel he could get it done while he still held the papacy due to the mind-boggling amounts of red tape and bureaucracy involved. The two of them have been working behind the scenes for a while because the sheer scope of the problem, and its entrenchment in the system of the church, makes it untenable to fight by purely public means.

tl;dr Francis and Joe Ratzinger are quietly getting all their ducks in a row before they blow the lid on the scandal to ensure that everyone who should be thoroughly screwed is screwed, and little boys aren't.


I would like this very much to be true.

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