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(NBC San Diego)   Unexploded ordnance explodes at Camp Pendleton, killing four marines   (nbcsandiego.com) divider line 79
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2013-11-13 08:10:00 PM  
Wouldn't that make it exploded ordnance, subby?
 
2013-11-13 08:10:15 PM  
Maybe this means I'll get a break from the window rattling, subsonic booms from dawn until midnight.
 
2013-11-13 08:13:28 PM  

RottNDude: Maybe this means I'll get a break from the window rattling, subsonic booms from dawn until midnight.


Yeah because I'm sure they built the base there after you moved there.

The nerve of them, building a military installation by your home that was peaceful and quiet when you moved in.
 
2013-11-13 08:14:35 PM  
Well they were EOD (explosive ordinance disposal) marines on an artillery/bomb range. Were they trying to sanitize an area for some reason and a bomb that was a "dud" decided to go boom?  It will be interesting to see if any more information comes out as often details remain limited from incidents like this.
 
2013-11-13 08:16:11 PM  
Previously Unexploded ordnance explodes at Camp Pendleton killing 4 U.S. Marines
 
2013-11-13 08:16:13 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Wouldn't that make it exploded ordnance, subby?


Done in one?

RottNDude: Maybe this means I'll get a break from the window rattling, subsonic booms from dawn until midnight.


Did you move in knowing there was military base next door? If "yes" STFU. If "no" keep going on plz.
 
2013-11-13 08:16:55 PM  
The Exploded Ordnance formerly known as Unexploded Ordnance.

Very saddening.
 
2013-11-13 08:17:40 PM  
That is horrible.  God bless the soldiers.

I bet it is a cover-up and it actually was terrorism (or is that called a bullshiat disgruntled on-the-job employee incident by the PC head-up-their-ass community?)
 
2013-11-13 08:17:59 PM  

RottNDude: Maybe this means I'll get a break from the window rattling, subsonic booms from dawn until midnight.


moving out of your mom's place are you?
 
2013-11-13 08:20:03 PM  
I found a grenade doing some survey work at Camp LeJeune once. My co-worker immediately kicked it. I was very unhappy with him the rest of the day.
 
2013-11-13 08:20:18 PM  
What if it had been exploded ordnance that unexploded? That would be almost as bad, but, hey, free ordnance.
 
2013-11-13 08:21:53 PM  
Where's Grant?
 
2013-11-13 08:22:28 PM  

Allen262: Satanic_Hamster: Wouldn't that make it exploded ordnance, subby?

Done in one?

RottNDude: Maybe this means I'll get a break from the window rattling, subsonic booms from dawn until midnight.

Did you move in knowing there was military base next door? If "yes" STFU. If "no" keep going on plz.


You can feel this shiat 30 miles away from the base, depending on weather conditions.  Also:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2009/Aug/17/military-round-the-clock- ar tillery-exercises-at/
http://murrieta.patch.com/groups/around-town/p/artillery-training-on -c amp-pendleton-prompts-noise-advisory
http://www.pendletonunderground.com/topic.jsp?topicId=11188271

I understand they have to do what they have to do, but at times it is absolutely excessive.
 
2013-11-13 08:23:23 PM  

Confabulat: I found a grenade doing some survey work at Camp LeJeune once. My co-worker immediately kicked it. I was very unhappy with him the rest of the day.


Well, if you weren't on an actual range, it was probably a dummy - the only thing that might have been live might have been the fuse. It might have also been a gas or smoke grenade - we used those when I was sent to "Personal Combat Skills School" (Sort of a mini-infantry training thing for those of us who weren't 0311).
 
2013-11-13 08:26:03 PM  
In to pay respect
 
2013-11-13 08:28:45 PM  

Confabulat: I found a grenade doing some survey work at Camp LeJeune once. My co-worker immediately kicked it. I was very unhappy with him the rest of the day.


Oh! UXO CSBs!

I once saw a guy pick up an ammo box on a Pacific island that saw battles throughout WWII when it was uncovered on the beach. Not only did he pick it up, he opened it, noticed there were unexploded artillery shells in the box, so he carried it back to his pickup, and drove his find back to the base operations building.

Nobody was happy with that dude for about a week.

/Have more, but like that one the best
 
2013-11-13 08:29:00 PM  
All ordinances are unexploded until it explodes, subby. Added words; unnecessary.
 
2013-11-13 08:29:48 PM  

LesserEvil: Confabulat: I found a grenade doing some survey work at Camp LeJeune once. My co-worker immediately kicked it. I was very unhappy with him the rest of the day.

Well, if you weren't on an actual range, it was probably a dummy - the only thing that might have been live might have been the fuse. It might have also been a gas or smoke grenade - we used those when I was sent to "Personal Combat Skills School" (Sort of a mini-infantry training thing for those of us who weren't 0311).


I usually use the same rules for my grenade-finding as I do my firearm-finding... if it ain't disassembled, it's loaded.
 
2013-11-13 08:31:32 PM  
Is the word ordnance a euphemism to sanitize the otherwise plain 'bomb'?
 
2013-11-13 08:33:09 PM  
R.I.P. Marines
 
2013-11-13 08:33:48 PM  

LesserEvil: Confabulat: I found a grenade doing some survey work at Camp LeJeune once. My co-worker immediately kicked it. I was very unhappy with him the rest of the day.

Well, if you weren't on an actual range, it was probably a dummy - the only thing that might have been live might have been the fuse. It might have also been a gas or smoke grenade - we used those when I was sent to "Personal Combat Skills School" (Sort of a mini-infantry training thing for those of us who weren't 0311).


This range (Zulu) is a live-fire range. They shoot/drop stuff on that range that goes boom for real.

doosh: Is the word ordnance a euphemism to sanitize the otherwise plain 'bomb'?


Could be a grenade or artillery shell. Hence the collective term "ordnance" instead of "bomb, shell or grenade"
 
2013-11-13 08:35:13 PM  
buzzcut73: Nobody was happy with that dude for about a week.

One of these guys?

www.barbarakrichardson.com
 
2013-11-13 08:35:42 PM  

95629: RottNDude: Maybe this means I'll get a break from the window rattling, subsonic booms from dawn until midnight.

Yeah because I'm sure they built the base there after you moved there.

The nerve of them, building a military installation by your home that was peaceful and quiet when you moved in.


Yeah.  I used to live half a block from the edge of a small college campus.  Girls dorm right there.  Fine, never had any issues.  Good kids.  The batty old lady down the street literally put "keep of my lawn" signs.  Best part is her dead husband was a professor at that college.  It was there 120 years prior to her moving in.  Reminds me of an old joke we used to make that went something like "this school would be great if it weren't for all those damn kids".

Sort of a digression but same line of thought.
 
2013-11-13 08:37:14 PM  
At least they died doing what they loved.
 
2013-11-13 08:37:49 PM  
they signed up to die, where's the problem?
 
2013-11-13 08:38:25 PM  
With a helpful picture of what EOD personnel may look like.
 
2013-11-13 08:38:47 PM  

mrEdude: they signed up to die, where's the problem?


what country do you support?
 
2013-11-13 08:43:40 PM  

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: At least they died doing what they loved.


Bleeding profusely?
 
2013-11-13 08:45:05 PM  

mrEdude: they signed up to die, where's the problem?


aaaaand he's gone!  asshole or troll, or both
 
2013-11-13 08:47:10 PM  
Yet these marines will get no rememberance. Meanwhile, is that TSA guy's family been given the key to the universe, yet? He was apparently the worst fatality of anything that's ever happened ever.

/not to sound insensitive to the TSA guy or his family, but damn, when are our soldiers going to get half of the recognition that guy's death is getting?
 
2013-11-13 08:50:50 PM  

ko_kyi: mrEdude: they signed up to die, where's the problem?

aaaaand he's gone!  asshole or troll, or both


Both
 
2013-11-13 08:52:18 PM  
arts.columbia.edu
 
2013-11-13 08:52:34 PM  

IronTom: That is horrible.  God bless the soldiers.

I bet it is a cover-up and it actually was terrorism (or is that called a bullshiat disgruntled on-the-job employee incident by the PC head-up-their-ass community?)


Marines, not soldiers.
 
2013-11-13 08:53:34 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Yet these marines will get no rememberance. Meanwhile, is that TSA guy's family been given the key to the universe, yet? He was apparently the worst fatality of anything that's ever happened ever.

/not to sound insensitive to the TSA guy or his family, but damn, when are our soldiers going to get half of the recognition that guy's death is getting?


What guy? I haven't read anything about a TSA guy. Did he die in the LAX shooting?
 
2013-11-13 09:03:14 PM  
ordinance, subby

/rotsky
 
2013-11-13 09:03:38 PM  

dj_bigbird: LesserEvil: Confabulat: I found a grenade doing some survey work at Camp LeJeune once. My co-worker immediately kicked it. I was very unhappy with him the rest of the day.

Well, if you weren't on an actual range, it was probably a dummy - the only thing that might have been live might have been the fuse. It might have also been a gas or smoke grenade - we used those when I was sent to "Personal Combat Skills School" (Sort of a mini-infantry training thing for those of us who weren't 0311).

This range (Zulu) is a live-fire range. They shoot/drop stuff on that range that goes boom for real.

doosh: Is the word ordnance a euphemism to sanitize the otherwise plain 'bomb'?

Could be a grenade or artillery shell. Hence the collective term "ordnance" instead of "bomb, shell or grenade"


Well, I was speaking specifically to Confabulat's situation. If he was surveying on a live range (or for that matter, an old range), he's done something terribly wrong.

It's possible an old frag grenade might be laying around in a field there, but those things are pretty damn tightly controlled on base, at least in the 25 years since I was there. Practice, Smoke and CS Tear Gas grenades, on the other hand, would be pretty common sights off the ranges.

There are all sorts of nasty places on Camp Lejeune, even not counting the ranges. I saw a map that had areas so contaminated, humans weren't allowed near them without some serious chemical gear. I'd be more worried about the toxic swamps than misplaced ordinance.
 
2013-11-13 09:04:24 PM  
ROTTENDUDE, MysterEdude. "Wow. So funny. Ever seen a woman naked? Didn't think so. What do you both do to clean the come on your barckolounger after you jerk it to kiddie porn? Losers. Never gonna accomplish a damn thing. Pitiful.
 
2013-11-13 09:05:08 PM  

Confabulat: I found a grenade doing some survey work at Camp LeJeune once. My co-worker immediately kicked it. I was very unhappy with him the rest of the day.


Odd that a grenade was doing survey work.
 
2013-11-13 09:06:34 PM  
Not-my-CSB:

When my bro joined the Navy, he looked into three things; being a cook, being in ordinance, and being a nuke.

The Navy said there was no way he was getting away with being a cook with his ASVAB scores. The guy handed bro a very dirty sheet with the info about "aircraft mechanic" on it, and a very crisp, clean, freshly-laminated sheet with the nuke info on it. When bro asked why the sheet was clean, the recruiter responded, "Because only a few select people get to handle it."

When I asked bro what happened to being a ordinance guy, he responded, "You only get to make a mistake in that job once."

/his quip when asked about volunteering to go sub, he responded, "No thanks, sir, I like seeing sunshine and women."
//family usually doesn't respond to flattery, but anytime we have a chance to be part of that special 10%, we'll take it
///usually the special is a good thing, but not always
 
2013-11-13 09:09:19 PM  
Troll is a harsh accusation in this situation.
There hasn't been a draft in decades ...
So it is safe to say that the decadents  chose to be Marines.
The primary purpose of the Marines is to kill people?
Meanwhile, our nation's greatest "enemy" is a bunch of cave dwelling morons straight out of the middle ages.
In other words, we don't need much in the way of protection.
To put it another way... when someone dies on a hang glider or while playing in the tiger enclosure at the zoo it is a tragedy but it is not exactly unexpected.
 
2013-11-13 09:14:42 PM  

emersonbiggins: ordinance, subby

/rotsky


So my time in the 525th Ordnance Company was just a dream?

ts1.mm.bing.net

ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2013-11-13 09:15:34 PM  

TheWhoppah: Troll is a harsh accusation in this situation.
There hasn't been a draft in decades ...
So it is safe to say that the decadents  chose to be Marines.
The primary purpose of the Marines is to kill people?
Meanwhile, our nation's greatest "enemy" is a bunch of cave dwelling morons straight out of the middle ages.
In other words, we don't need much in the way of protection.
To put it another way... when someone dies on a hang glider or while playing in the tiger enclosure at the zoo it is a tragedy but it is not exactly unexpected.


decedents not decadents
Marines mission is to be the nations first line of defense
Your definition of greatest needs work
Kind of like elephant repellant right?  Of course it works well, you don't see any elephants do you?
You really need to consider who you are siding with.  mrEdude's body of work is compelling and very deserving of the troll moniker

/carry on
 
2013-11-13 09:17:34 PM  

jim32rr: emersonbiggins: ordinance, subby

/rotsky

So my time in the 525th Ordnance Company was just a dream?

[ts1.mm.bing.net image 140x190]

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 227x300]


an extraordnary one, perhaps?
 
2013-11-13 09:18:19 PM  

LesserEvil: ell, I was speaking specifically to Confabulat's situation. If he was surveying on a live range (or for that matter, an old range), he's done something terribly wrong.

It's possible an old frag grenade might be laying around in a field there, but those things are pretty damn tightly controlled on base, at least in the 25 years since I was there. Practice, Smoke and CS Tear Gas grenades, on the other hand, would be pretty common sights off the ranges.

There are all sorts of nasty places on Camp Lejeune, even not counting the ranges. I saw a map that had areas so contaminated, humans weren't allowed near them without some serious chemical gear. I'd be more worried about the toxic swamps than misplaced ordinance.


I couldn't tell you where I was, we were doing environmental surveys so we were all over the place in the middle of nowhere. It's pretty neat out there, seeing evidence of decades of Marine training in the woods, little trenches they'd dig, stuff like that. All I know is if I find a grenade anywhere, the last thing I'm going to do is kick the damn thing.

I put little flags around it and called my Marine contact like a person with a brain.
 
2013-11-13 09:18:25 PM  

TheWhoppah: decadents


What word were you groping for Mr. Whitman?

--------------------------------------------------------------------- - -----------------------------------

No joy in 29 Palms tonight.
 
2013-11-13 09:33:04 PM  
the incident happened in the Zulu impact area, which is located roughly at the center of the base. The impact area is where Marines fire artillery and drop bombs from aircraft.

Forgive my ignorance of military matters, but is it standard to put your bombing range in the MIDDLE of the base?
 
2013-11-13 09:34:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: That is horrible.  God bless the soldiers.

I bet it is a cover-up and it actually was terrorism (or is that called a bullshiat disgruntled on-the-job employee incident by the PC head-up-their-ass community?)

Marines, not soldiers.


I've heard it both ways. Hell, I read a comment that used "soldier" from a guy who was in the Core
 
2013-11-13 09:34:49 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: That is horrible.  God bless the soldiers.

I bet it is a cover-up and it actually was terrorism (or is that called a bullshiat disgruntled on-the-job employee incident by the PC head-up-their-ass community?)

Marines, not soldiers.

I've heard it both ways. Hell, I read a comment that used "soldier" from a guy who was in the Core


His wife probably typed that.
 
2013-11-13 09:35:42 PM  

fusillade762: the incident happened in the Zulu impact area, which is located roughly at the center of the base. The impact area is where Marines fire artillery and drop bombs from aircraft.

Forgive my ignorance of military matters, but is it standard to put your bombing range in the MIDDLE of the base?


I can't speak to SOP, but if it's in the middle, you can have firing ranges all the way around it. There's also less likelihood of stray ordnance winding up in a civilian neighborhood or shopping mall
 
2013-11-13 09:36:26 PM  
Semper Explodus.

Thanks, Obama.
 
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