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(Phoenix New Times)   Arizona police say drivers spotted texting will get speeding tickets even if they are below the speed limit   (blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com) divider line 99
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2013-11-13 06:44:07 PM
Wow - doesn't surprise me but wouldn't it make more sense to just pass an anti-texting law?
 
2013-11-13 07:41:01 PM

Gig103: Wow - doesn't surprise me but wouldn't it make more sense to just pass an anti-texting law?


Phoenix and Tucson already have anti-texting laws, but I don't think it's done jack shiat. Getting a $300 speeding ticket will probably cut down on that. Texting is seriously the most goddamned distracting thing I've ever seen anybody do while driving. People who just drive drunk at least have one bloodshot eye on the road in front of them.
 
2013-11-13 08:17:09 PM
No word on the forced endoscopy...
 
2013-11-13 08:27:59 PM
Next year's headline, "Arizona government to spend tens of thousands of dollars defending cases which will be thrown right the fark out of court on appeal".
 
2013-11-13 08:36:17 PM
I wonder how many lawyers will be able to get it reduced to "waste of finite resources" or whatever the f*ck that one is. Texting w/ driving really needs its own law.
 
2013-11-13 08:41:56 PM
I's be okay with them shoving a nightstick up their ass until they couldn't shiat right for a week.
 
2013-11-13 08:45:07 PM

Gig103: Wow - doesn't surprise me but wouldn't it make more sense to just pass an anti-texting law?


"No need for that citizen. We law enforcement experts will make up our own laws. For your safety."
 
2013-11-13 08:45:37 PM
Makes sense.  You can't drive at a speed "greater than is reasonable and prudent."

If you're texting, anything faster than zero is a problem.
 
2013-11-13 09:06:20 PM
This law has been on the books for a while. It is only for the interstates.

Word to the wise: "Texting" is probably a blanket term meaning any staring at a cellphone while driving.

Not surprised.

blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com
 
2013-11-13 09:36:58 PM
Look, municipalities have budgets to meet. People don't want to pay their taxes so we get this
 
2013-11-13 10:38:50 PM
STOP USING YOUR PHONE WHILE DRIVING ASSHOLES!
 
JVD
2013-11-13 10:39:35 PM

Gig103: Wow - doesn't surprise me but wouldn't it make more sense to just pass an anti-texting law?


I like their intentions of not passing more laws, but it doesn't seem appropriate to issue a speeding ticket. Doesn't pretty much everywhere have laws against inattentive driving? Using that would make more sense to me.
 
2013-11-13 10:41:39 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Gig103: Wow - doesn't surprise me but wouldn't it make more sense to just pass an anti-texting law?

Phoenix and Tucson already have anti-texting laws, but I don't think it's done jack shiat. Getting a $300 speeding ticket will probably cut down on that. Texting is seriously the most goddamned distracting thing I've ever seen anybody do while driving. People who just drive drunk at least have one bloodshot eye on the road in front of them.


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2013-11-13 10:44:04 PM
I'd like to see a camera installed near the rear-view mirror in all new cars, that would take a photo of the driver and passenger seats an instant before the air bag deploys. Any driver caught texting, eating a Big Mac, applying makeup, or any other distracting nonsense would automatically receive a huge fine/prison sentence.
 
2013-11-13 10:44:19 PM
...and we can prosecute perjury as insider trading. Brilliant!

/ laws - one is as good as another
 
2013-11-13 10:47:08 PM
Go get 'em, Sheriff Joe!
 
2013-11-13 10:48:55 PM
I don't think I've ever seen someone on their phone actually exceeding the speed limit.  Usually it is the dicksmack in the freeway passing lane driving 55, or the person driving on the highway shoulder, trying to merge into the side of your car, because they didn't notice their lane merged away 2 miles ago.  Ought to be legal to citizen's arrest these time bombs.
 
2013-11-13 10:50:40 PM
But I can still Fark while driving, yes?
 
2013-11-13 10:53:31 PM

JVD: Gig103: Wow - doesn't surprise me but wouldn't it make more sense to just pass an anti-texting law?

I like their intentions of not passing more laws, but it doesn't seem appropriate to issue a speeding ticket. Doesn't pretty much everywhere have laws against inattentive driving? Using that would make more sense to me.


They should go with DUI.
 
2013-11-13 10:54:58 PM

Cyrus the Mediocre: But I can still Fark while driving, yes?


Only if you're pretty acrobatic.
 
2013-11-13 10:56:51 PM

karmaceutical: I don't think I've ever seen someone on their phone actually exceeding the speed limit.


If they're on the phone and driving faster than zero they're exceeding the speed limit.
 
2013-11-13 10:59:00 PM

JosephFinn: karmaceutical: I don't think I've ever seen someone on their phone actually exceeding the speed limit.

If they're on the phone and driving faster than zero they're exceeding the speed limit.


That is a very good point.
 
2013-11-13 10:59:04 PM
I was hit from behind by a person eating a sandwich.  That driver was issued a ticket for some distracted driving law and this was 20 years ago.  I don't know why they need a new law for every dang specific thing.
 
2013-11-13 11:02:11 PM

StoPPeRmobile: JVD: Gig103: Wow - doesn't surprise me but wouldn't it make more sense to just pass an anti-texting law?

I like their intentions of not passing more laws, but it doesn't seem appropriate to issue a speeding ticket. Doesn't pretty much everywhere have laws against inattentive driving? Using that would make more sense to me.

They should go with DUI.


That makes a lot of sense.
 
2013-11-13 11:02:15 PM
Emailing and Facebook are still ok right?

/my truck has app integration, but it's too complicated for me
//or I'm too lazy
/// or I can wait until I'm near a computer
 
2013-11-13 11:03:32 PM
makes sense to me.  You aren't supposed to text while driving so the speed limit while texting would be 0mph.  So if you are traveling 50mph that means you are doing 50 over the speed limit.
 
2013-11-13 11:03:41 PM
It's quite obvious that just handing out tickets does not work. Let's take it up a notch and start confiscating phones whilst issuing tickets. You can have it back if/when you convince the nice judge that you deserve to have it back. You act like a 2 year old then you get treated like a 2 year old.

/and after that, if you still don't get it, they hand you a hammer and make you smash your own phone
 
2013-11-13 11:04:52 PM
They couldn't put 10 short paragraphs on one page then add the comments to said page?

Wow.
 
2013-11-13 11:08:17 PM
"Driving too fast for what you're doing". In this case, not being parked. Makes sense to me.
 
2013-11-13 11:09:18 PM

dahmers love zombie: Next year's headline, "Arizona government to spend tens of thousands of dollars defending cases which will be thrown right the fark out of court on appeal".


I doubt it. It cost far less to just pay the fine than it does to try to fight it, even if you have video evidence that you weren't guilty. What you may have is one civic minded person rich person who will fight it, but the regular Joe Six Pack won't.
 
2013-11-13 11:15:12 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Gig103: Wow - doesn't surprise me but wouldn't it make more sense to just pass an anti-texting law?

Phoenix and Tucson already have anti-texting laws, but I don't think it's done jack shiat. Getting a $300 speeding ticket will probably cut down on that. Texting is seriously the most goddamned distracting thing I've ever seen anybody do while driving. People who just drive drunk at least have one bloodshot eye on the road in front of them.


Unfortunately it made it worse.

1) Don't get me wrong, it's not a good thing to do, but neither is shaving, doing your makeup, fiddling with radio, ipod, slapping the crotchfruit in the back seat, etc. How do you distinguish risk?

2) Instead of resting your hand on the dash so that the phone is in your field of view, it's forced people insistent on replying to use their phone in their lap, thus increasing the chance of an accident by an order of magnitude or more. One of the rules of IFR training is not to focus on any one thing longer than 3 seconds. By encouraging them to take their eyes off the road my hypothesis is that they've made the situation much worse.
 
2013-11-13 11:15:45 PM
They don't have Inattentive Driving laws in Arizona?
 
2013-11-13 11:15:55 PM
Makes perfect sense to me. Many states have  Prima Facie Speed Limits, where the violation driving at a speed which is unsafe for conditions, regardless of posted limits.
If a driver is texting, any speed at all is a Prima Facie Speeding violation, and a way to crank up the fines appropriately if the texting is particularly egregious.
 
2013-11-13 11:16:43 PM

JosephFinn: karmaceutical: I don't think I've ever seen someone on their phone actually exceeding the speed limit.

If they're on the phone and driving faster than zero they're exceeding the speed limit.


The mental gymnastics one has to do in order for this logic to make sense is amazing.
 
2013-11-13 11:22:21 PM
I drove I-40 from OKC to Albuquerque in the middle of the night while reading a book.

Think I read eight paragraphs in about six hours because the road kept distracting me.
 
2013-11-13 11:22:37 PM

Watubi: I was hit from behind by a person eating a sandwich.  That driver was issued a ticket for some distracted driving law and this was 20 years ago.  I don't know why they need a new law for every dang specific thing.


Because freshly-sworn attorneys hop into court and say "But your Honor, the law doesn't actually say 'you cannot drive 65 mph while eating a sandwich' and my client was going well under the posted speed limit and Douchebag v. Asshole clearly states that where the speed limit has not been exceeded a driver can't be found in violation of the law unless he was performing one of the enumerated violations, and eating a sandwich isn't one of them."

The judge rolls his eyes and says "Well, Mr. Prosecutor?" and the DA hesitates just a second, looks at the stack of considerably more important cases on his desk, and says, "Whatever, your Honor."

BANG. "Very well, Counselor, case dismissed."

So now we have to have laws for every dang specific thing.
 
2013-11-13 11:22:57 PM
FTA:  Any speed is not reasonable when you're texting, because you're not fully in control of your driving

That's crap. If I'm suddenly stuck in stop-and-go traffic, texting my wife that I'm going to be late is not dangerous.
 
2013-11-13 11:23:02 PM
The penalties for distracted driving should be no different than that for impaired driving.  Change one or the other.
 
2013-11-13 11:37:48 PM

Justin Bieber's Acne Medication: FTA:  Any speed is not reasonable when you're texting, because you're not fully in control of your driving

That's crap. If I'm suddenly stuck in stop-and-go traffic, texting my wife that I'm going to be late is not dangerous.


...until you don't look up fast enough from your iPod, the driver behind you thinks you're moving and you get rear-ended by a 10-ton semi whose driver doesn't speak English.
 
2013-11-13 11:38:55 PM
This is kinda why I almost miss my eye tumor. It pushed my eye out and to the side, so I could literally safely text and drive, because my field of vision was so wide I could see "through" my phone.

Then again, not looking like Igor anymore...win some, lose some
 
2013-11-13 11:39:21 PM

Gyrfalcon: Justin Bieber's Acne Medication: FTA:  Any speed is not reasonable when you're texting, because you're not fully in control of your driving

That's crap. If I'm suddenly stuck in stop-and-go traffic, texting my wife that I'm going to be late is not dangerous.

...until you don't look up fast enough from your iPod, the driver behind you thinks you're moving and you get rear-ended by a 10-ton semi whose driver doesn't speak English.


I will bet that he is one of the ones that swear that he drives better drunk/high because he concentrates more.
 
2013-11-13 11:40:25 PM
Don't text while driving, jackass.
 
2013-11-13 11:41:25 PM
I hate texting drivers as much as the next guy but wft? Maybe they should just start charging them with murder or rape? It makes about as much sense.
 
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2013-11-13 11:45:07 PM
I guess that doesn't count the police checking their laptop as they are behind me to see if I'm worth pulling over.
 
2013-11-13 11:55:25 PM

brobinson2001: This is kinda why I almost miss my eye tumor. It pushed my eye out and to the side, so I could literally safely text and drive, because my field of vision was so wide I could see "through" my phone.

Then again, not looking like Igor anymore...win some, lose some


This is disturbing, interesting, and comical at the same time.
 
2013-11-13 11:57:24 PM

ongbok: I will bet that he is one of the ones that swear that he drives better drunk/high because he concentrates more.


DOdrive better drunk, stoned and texting.

/than my wife.
 
2013-11-13 11:58:33 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Gig103: Wow - doesn't surprise me but wouldn't it make more sense to just pass an anti-texting law?

Phoenix and Tucson already have anti-texting laws, but I don't think it's done jack shiat. Getting a $300 speeding ticket will probably cut down on that. Texting is seriously the most goddamned distracting thing I've ever seen anybody do while driving. People who just drive drunk at least have one bloodshot eye on the road in front of them.


I would say charge them with reckless driving. Class two misdemeanor in Arizona with a maximum penalty of four months in jail and $750.00 fine. Nasty Felony offense if you hit anyone.
 
2013-11-14 12:08:14 AM

saturn badger: They couldn't put 10 short paragraphs on one page then add the comments to said page?

Wow.


I came here to comment the exact same thing.  Three pages for that.
 
2013-11-14 12:13:30 AM

Gyrfalcon: The judge rolls his eyes and says "Well, Mr. Prosecutor?" and the DA hesitates just a second, looks at the stack of considerably more important cases on his desk, and says, "Whatever, your Honor."  BANG. "Very well, Counselor, case dismissed."  So now we have to have laws for every dang specific thing.


The couple of times I've been to traffic court, there was nobody from the DA's office at trial.  The traffic officer usually doesn't show up, either.  Instead, they just submit a written statement and attach their last calibration report for their equipment.  The judge then plays all roles for the government's side.


ecmoRandomNumbers: Getting a $300 speeding ticket will probably cut down on that.


The standard fine for texting while driving in Phoenix and Tucson is $100.  It goes to $250 if you caused an accident.

So the question is, how large of a citation will DPS officers issue if you're texting while on the freeway?  Will they write you up for doing 65 over a safe limit?  Will they also charge you with reckless driving?


/also remember that Arizona allows you to discharge a non-criminal moving violation once every two years by going to traffic school
//school fees range between $120 and $180, depending on the county
 
2013-11-14 12:13:59 AM
Women and minorities have the most to lose with this.
 
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