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(Right Wing Watch)   Creationist poses a thorny problem to science. Checkmate, evolutionists   (rightwingwatch.org) divider line 231
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2013-11-13 03:30:26 PM  
Wat.

A fungus kills plants and that's proof that evolution isn't real?
 
2013-11-13 03:33:08 PM  
Whatever, sh*theads.
 
2013-11-13 03:36:36 PM  
Wow -- I'm convinced. And all it took was 150 or so words to overcome years of education and decades of reading. Thanks, creationists!
 
2013-11-13 03:38:13 PM  
We need a "too stupid to live" amendment in place of this libby pansy ass hippie "pursuit of happiness" shiat so we don't have to deal with these people anymore.
 
2013-11-13 03:38:33 PM  
Why did God curse plants to have thorns because of Adam's sin? Also wasn't it Eve's sin?
 
2013-11-13 03:41:48 PM  

enry: Wat.

A fungus kills plants and that's proof that evolution isn't real?


pffft.  Noted biologist Kirk Cameron already proved it isn't real because bananas.
 
2013-11-13 03:42:52 PM  
i1214.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-13 03:49:13 PM  
"Mutations are thought to be the main mechanism by which evolution occurs but every mutation we see is harmful, not helpful as evolution requires," Morris argued.

*blinks*

I think the real reason they're called Fundamentalists is because if you need to correct them, which we often do, you have to start with the fundamentals.

Explaining the boneheadedness of that statement would be like explaining differential equations to a kid who can't count.
 
2013-11-13 03:49:50 PM  

Slaxl: Why did God curse plants to have thorns because of Adam's sin? Also wasn't it Eve's sin?


Biatch set him up.
 
2013-11-13 04:01:37 PM  

Slaxl: Why did God curse plants to have thorns because of Adam's sin? Also wasn't it Eve's sin?


I sense someone isn't married.
 
2013-11-13 04:04:26 PM  
Well, obviously evolution doesn't apply to him

/he's immune
 
2013-11-13 04:04:59 PM  
He claims on a certain ryegrass, a certain fungus sometimes "grows unchecked" and "chokes out the plant" because "a particular gene in the fungus was turned off through mutation."

You know what that fungus is called? Claviceps purpurea. You know what can be derived from Claviceps purpurea? LSD. You know what LSD does? Makes you farking crazy.
 
2013-11-13 04:08:34 PM  
"Mutations are thought to be the main mechanism by which evolution occurs but every mutation we see is harmful, not helpful as evolution requires," Morris argued.

Drug resistant bacteria.

Checkmate, dumbass
 
2013-11-13 04:09:31 PM  

enry: Wat.

A fungus kills plants and that's proof that evolution isn't real?


People can die from fungal infections. So that means....?
 
2013-11-13 04:12:30 PM  
www.seriouseats.com
 
2013-11-13 04:13:38 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: [www.seriouseats.com image 500x123]


Worst porn ever.
 
2013-11-13 04:14:50 PM  
This man should be praising evolution. Were it not for evolution that chicken Creationists continue to f*ck would be far larger, menacing and difficult to hold down.
 
2013-11-13 04:15:37 PM  
Also, I have no idea WTF argument this guy is even trying to present.
 
2013-11-13 04:16:29 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Also, I have no idea WTF argument this guy is even trying to present.


If you could understand it, you would be a creationist.
 
2013-11-13 04:18:08 PM  

simplicimus: enry: Wat.

A fungus kills plants and that's proof that evolution isn't real?

People can die from fungal infections. So that means....?


God hates athlete's foot!
 
2013-11-13 04:18:50 PM  
Diogenes:

I think the real reason they're called Fundamentalists is because if you need to correct them, which we often do, you have to start with the fundamentals.

I think it's because they have their heads stuck up their fundaments.
 
2013-11-13 04:18:50 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: "Mutations are thought to be the main mechanism by which evolution occurs but every mutation we see is harmful, not helpful as evolution requires," Morris argued.

Drug resistant bacteria.

Checkmate, dumbass


Sickle trait.

It may not be entirely helpful, but it beats dying from malaria.
 
2013-11-13 04:21:20 PM  

Diogenes: omnibus_necanda_sunt: "Mutations are thought to be the main mechanism by which evolution occurs but every mutation we see is harmful, not helpful as evolution requires," Morris argued.

Drug resistant bacteria.

Checkmate, dumbass

Sickle trait.

It may not be entirely helpful, but it beats dying from malaria.


It says 'SICK' right there in the name! Stupid atheists!
 
2013-11-13 04:23:37 PM  
And to think, this guy's also a doctor.

Well, he has a Doctorate in Geological Engineering from University of Oklahoma.  Who believes that Noah's Ark and the flood were real.

Guess it just goes to show... education ≠ intelligence
 
2013-11-13 04:26:04 PM  
Is this like the banana thing? I'm not clicking on the link.
 
2013-11-13 04:26:49 PM  
And God said "Poof!" and the legs fell off of the snake. And God said "Poof!" and trees and bushes grew thorns just to inconvenience a couple of naked apes. And God said "Poof!" and whales and dolphins lost their legs and took to the waves. And God said "Poof!" and half of the animals on Earth gave up browsing like sheep and became carnivors, insectivores, piscevors, raptors, anteaters and so forth.

Poof!

But evolution, not in a billion years, not in four bilion!

Despite several miles of rock hard evidence under your feet and your nose.

And then there's Noah's Lark.

The koala, which eats only the leaves of the eucalyptus tree and seldom descends to the ground where it is extremely vulnerable to predators, managed to march all the way across Asia from Turkey to Australia, following one gigantic eucalyptus forest that then disappeared without leaving a trace of wood, leaf, twig or pollen, despite the fact that pollen is virtually indestructible and should be easy to find EVERYWHERE ON THE ROUTE AND NOWHERE NOT ON THE ROUTE of the koala migration.

A route, which incidentally takes you across a line called Wallace's line because it separates the marsupials and other life of Australia and New Guinea from the placental mammals of Indonesia.

Meanwhile, God was busy with a shovel planting fake fossils in order to damn the souls of anybody with half a brain. He likes his Faithful dumber than bricks. That's why he made three of the World's stupidest religions for practice and then invented Mormans, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientests, and Scientologists when he got around to inventing North and South America, Antartica, and Australia.
 
2013-11-13 04:27:57 PM  
Antarctica.

Where there are fossil flightless birds related to the rheas, emus, elephant birds, moas, and ostriches of the Southern tip of every continent except Asia, Europe and North America.
 
2013-11-13 04:33:15 PM  
Creationists' view of the universe

If your browser makes the image fit, make sure you zoom in before scrolling through.
 
2013-11-13 04:36:10 PM  
Spoken like someone who has absolutely no idea what evolution is. Or biology for that matter. Or even bible studies. WTF? thorns on plants because of original sin? I don't even...
 
2013-11-13 04:37:21 PM  
Why do men have nipples?
 
2013-11-13 04:39:19 PM  

Ambivalence: Spoken like someone who has absolutely no idea what evolution is. Or biology for that matter. Or even bible studies. WTF? thorns on plants because of original sin? I don't even...


Dude, this is the reason you give your wife roses when you screw up.  Sin, roses.  QED.
 
2013-11-13 04:40:52 PM  

vernonFL: Why do men have nipples?


That's where the angels pick up your soul when you die.
 
2013-11-13 04:40:58 PM  
The problem here is that he's using a "word of God" argument to disprove evolution, and while that's more than enough for most people, it's never enough for the evolutionistas. They lack faith, which is their entire problem. Atheism is basically what happens when you replace traditional faith with an irrational faith in science, which for all intensive purposes is its own religion with its own priesthood (ala the Double Ds, Darwin and Dawkins). So a rational faith-based argument will never convince them, despite its obvious merits. The argument must be based in the teat of science at which the evolutionistas suckle.

And so, consider the hard nipple of science: proof. To prove the fundamental illogicacy of the evolutionista's worldview, one must first expose the hypocrisy upon which they have anchored the foundation of the pinnacle of their system. To the evolutionista, you see, the following statement is both true and correct:

Evolution is occurring because animals have changed over time as an adaptation to their needs.

It seems simple enough. Satisfying, even. But let us deconstruct this. Over time is the crucial element here, the lynchpin upon which the evolutionista's argument depends. Ask the evolutionista why no one can observe actual changes taking place in animals right now, at this moment, and it is to this safe shelter that they will retreat time and time again:  It occurs over millenia, they will say. The changes are subtle and slow.

And then you must ask them: But how, then, do you know yourself that these changes are taking place?

Because science tells me
, they will say.

And then, you: But how do you know that science is correct?

The scientists tell me so
, they will say.

And here you must nod, and perhaps lay a hand of comfort upon their shoulder, because you are about to shatter their narrow universe.  It is the same, my friend, you will say,  as with the Lord and I.

You see, in the end, there is not actual evidence of evolution. No one has seen it because of these unfathomable "millennia" that have so conveniently been constructed into the concept. But if the evolutionistas and their patron saints were correct, and evolution was in fact taking place in front of us, all the time, then the idea of "millennia" would be meaningless. Does it take you a millennia to change your hairstyle? To learn a new language? To build muscle? Of course not, and all of these things are a manner of evolution. Why, then do we not observe dogs evolving hands to open doors; people evolving wings to pluck the tastiest apples from the highest branches? Why are rats still crouching in the sewers instead of constructing vast cities? Why are no apes hosting dinner parties? There are no answers to these questions. None.

In the end, there is no logical difference between the evolutionista who puts his faith in an invisible yet ongoing change that unwrwaps itself over untold "millennia," and the man of God who puts his faith in an intelligent design. But there is an important difference all the same: The former has only the word of man behind it. The latter has the word of God.

So this argument regarding the thorns, you see, is actually a quite sensible one. The only real problem is that it presumes those who need to hear it yet understand their hypocrisy, and sadly, for many of them, the answer to that question is no.
 
2013-11-13 04:51:42 PM  

impaler: Creationists' view of the universe

If your browser makes the image fit, make sure you zoom in before scrolling through.


That's awesome
 
2013-11-13 04:52:49 PM  

vernonFL: Why do men have nipples?


If I were in charge:  Microchip technology, Day 1...

-Rand Paul
 
2013-11-13 04:53:08 PM  
It amazes me that Creationists are amazed to discover that animals don't grow new organs like cartoon characters, in the blink of an eye. We've pointed out the age of the Universe and of the Earth. We've pointed out the deep time and the deep space that aren't mentioned in the Bible. We've pointed out the massive amounts of biological and geological evidence. We've pointed out that evolution is a largely gradual process, and except in the case of species which have life spans measured in days or hours, that it can take thousands of generations, and thus millions of years in any specie not a microbe that numbers in trillions of trillions of trillions of individual organisms.

And yet they seem to believe that they've refuted the history of the Universe because they can't see GOD SAY POOF! and a new species of dinosaur crawl into life out of the mud like something in a claymation cartoon with Gumby and Pokey.

Yes, most mutations that kill are harmful. Most mutations aren't even significant, however. The vast majority of single nucleotide mutations don't necessarily change one letter. It's like forgetting to cross a "t" or dot an "i". It doesn't signify.

There are many mechanisms that can produce real significant genetic change--they range from genetic drift and the founder effect to sexual selection and geographic isolation by new barriers such as mountains.

A minor change in the color of a butterfly's wings can cut off a sub-population of butterflies from their neighbors living ON THE SAME TREE. The purple will breed with the purple, the mauve with the mauve.

Given enough time, the accumulation of genetic changes will make it impossible for the two sub-populations to breed together and you will get two species.

Take the hairy woodpecker and the downy woodpecker--you have to be an expert to tell them apart. There is no reason why the larger bird should not breed with the smaller. But there is no advantage in being middling. There is advantage in being larger and there is advantage in being smaller. Both species breed with their own overwhelmingly, although there is not yet a true hard and fixed species barrier between them. Splitters might call them two species, lumpers might call them one. But they are DE FACTO two species because they are two populations that live in the same territory and do not interbreed very much if at all.

Give them a million years, ten million, a hundred million, those negative mutations will add up and possibly kill one or both species. Or make them into a hundred species. Or get this--make it impossible for them to breed together and make them both real, hard definition species. They may look alike but not produce healthy offspring. Like many hybrids their young will be sterile or their young's young will be unable to breed.

That's evolution, Bubba! And the very negative that you point to (inability to breed being THE GREAT NEGATIVE for living species, for evolution) becomes the shears and the pruning fork that makes new species.

HA! HA! The very evidence you use to "disprove" evolution is evidence of evolution at work in untold numbers of speciation events. Death is the great topiary artist. It is not GOD. It is DEATH that weeds out the weak and breeds from the strong. It is DEATH that carves life into the weird, wild, wonderful and sometimes wicked and Godless forms that it takes in this world.

All things wise and wonderful, the God Lord may them all

SO WHO MADE THE MAD, THE HORRIBLE, THE MONSTROUS, THE PARASITIC THINGS? WHO MADE DISEASE, CRUELTY AND WASTE? Was it God? If it was he is not the God you love and worship. If it wasn't the world was not made by YOUR Creator.

You say the Devil made all those fossils? THEN THE DEVIL IS A GENIUS OF CREATIVITY AND INVENTION. HE OUT-INVENTED GOD 100 SPECIES TO ONE.

But your Bible tells me that God made everything that was made and that without him nothing was made. Your Christians and Jews and Muslims and Christian Scientists tell me the Devil is purely negative and that he has no creative power. ONLY GOD CAN MAKE A TREE. And you confess that he made the thorns and the poisons and the deadly snakes in those trees.

DID HE? Then he made all things foul and unnatural, all creatures mean and nasty

God made the little spide
And the blight that's in the rose
He made the little sharky
To nibble on your toes.

I shocked some gay people once by suggesting that AIDS might turn out to be a good thing in the same way that sharks act as a sort of garde-fou to keep FOOLS OUT OF THE WATER. I argued that sharks save more lives than they take by keeping idiots from swimming out into the undertow and drowning.

The God who does this sort of thing is not your Kindergarten Father, Bubba.

He may be wise, but he sure as Hell ain't gonna play any favourites.

And that is why I am an atheist.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE PLAYS FAVOURITES. IT DOESN'T. IT CAN'T. That would be childish and crazy.

That's not only childish and idiotic, it contracts the Buddha, who taught us that suffering is universal, that death comes for us all, that the universe doesn't distinguish between a Buddha and a dog turd.

Now, that was a wise and good man. He never claimed to be God. He never claimed to have magical powers. He never performed anything like a miracle. He never had to, because he loved the simple truth as he found it. He taught us to let go of truthiness and wishful thinking, of ideas that make us unhappy, of lusts and cravings and desires.

He wasn't perfect, but then what or who is? Perfection is an abstraction, not an attribute of things. I renounce Saint Anselm and all his works of logical flim-flam. Yea, all of the Saints, including Buddha and His Saints.

If you meet the Buddha in the road, kick him in the shins and say I said "hi!"

Sit and watch the ants. I promise that if you don't your eyes off of them for 600,000,000 years, you'll see evolution. Or extinction. That's another thing God conveniently brushed over in the first few mythical pages of Genesis. HE TRIED TO TAKE US OUT ACCORDING TO THE STORY OF NOAH. HE TRIED TO CRIPPLE US ACCORDING TO THE STORY OF THE TOWER OF BABEL. HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON OVER TO THE TORTURERS AND THE MURDERERS ACCORDING TO THE STORY OF JESUS.

The Buddha laughs. The Buddha weeps. The Buddha doesn't give a dried horse apple.
 
2013-11-13 04:54:20 PM  
He sounds like a product of the public educational system.
 
2013-11-13 04:55:41 PM  

vernonFL: Why do men have nipples?


because nipple play isn't just for girls
 
2013-11-13 04:56:55 PM  
For Christmas, I want a book of all of Pocket Ninja's story-posts.

Can we make that happen? I'll help in any way I can including $.
 
2013-11-13 04:58:21 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: [www.seriouseats.com image 500x123]


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God made the penis fit perfectly in a man's hand, like a banana.

This proves that God loves us and wants us to be happy, like a monkey with a banana.

But he doesn't want us to be demanding and selfish, like a monkey with a banana.

He wants us to take care of our own needs without constantly hassling Him or each other.

And now I will demonstrate God's love by teaching you to perform fellatio like a young chimp, right to the hilt.
 
2013-11-13 04:59:31 PM  
If God didn't make hundreds of different species and varieties of banana, who did?
 
2013-11-13 05:02:05 PM  
I put peanut butter on a banana, and it didn't "evolve" into a new life form.

It was tasty between bread slices, though. I might have to try it deep-fried.
 
2013-11-13 05:02:13 PM  
"Mutations are thought to be the main mechanism by which evolution occurs but every mutation we see chose as a sample for this hypothesis is harmful, not helpful as evolution requires," Morris argued.
 
2013-11-13 05:03:19 PM  
Well, that was devastating evidence against evolution.  I suppose the thing for him to do would be to put that into the form an actual paper and submit it to a science journal to show the atheist scientists how wrong they are.  That will teach them.
 
2013-11-13 05:05:10 PM  
I farted just two minutes ago. Thus evolution isn't real.
 
2013-11-13 05:06:02 PM  
(To the tune of "Jesus loves me")

God exists, oh God must be
For the Bible says so, see?
The Bible's true, or so I've heard
Because it is God's Holy Word.

And therefore God must surely be
Because He says He is you see!

Oh, wondrous, wondrous
Oh, wondrous, wondrous
Oh, wondrous, wondrous
The Mysteries of His Ways!


By Brantgoose

I wrote that little ditty after seeing a commercial on TV where the local Fundies interviewed idiots.

I believe the "Word of God" fallacy is a sub-type of the "Begging the Question" fallacy, and the "Circular Reasoning" fallacy, among others.

I wish that people would study informal logic. I get sick and tired of the same old arguments century after damned century. Some of these things are older than the world is supposed to be by the more extreme Young Earth Creationists. They were echoing in the void when God said "Poof!"
 
2013-11-13 05:06:41 PM  
Besides being completely wrong because you cant prove the existence of nothing... god is a dick bag who kills women and children senselessly if he is real....

All my favorite metal heroes are going to hell. Its going to be one massive mosh party.

hmm... sit and reflect on goodness, or burn in hell with Rob Zombie and Judias Priest for all of existence.. tough choice there.

/Sunblock 1 billion
//Going to Hell-con
 
2013-11-13 05:09:14 PM  
cdn.arwrath.com
 
2013-11-13 05:22:07 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The problem here is that he's using a "word of God" argument to disprove evolution, and while that's more than enough for most people, it's never enough for the evolutionistas. They lack faith, which is their entire problem. Atheism is basically what happens when you replace traditional faith with an irrational faith in science, which for all intensive purposes is its own religion with its own priesthood (ala the Double Ds, Darwin and Dawkins). So a rational faith-based argument will never convince them, despite its obvious merits. The argument must be based in the teat of science at which the evolutionistas suckle.

And so, consider the hard nipple of science: proof. To prove the fundamental illogicacy of the evolutionista's worldview, one must first expose the hypocrisy upon which they have anchored the foundation of the pinnacle of their system. To the evolutionista, you see, the following statement is both true and correct:

Evolution is occurring because animals have changed over time as an adaptation to their needs.

It seems simple enough. Satisfying, even. But let us deconstruct this. Over time is the crucial element here, the lynchpin upon which the evolutionista's argument depends. Ask the evolutionista why no one can observe actual changes taking place in animals right now, at this moment, and it is to this safe shelter that they will retreat time and time again:  It occurs over millenia, they will say. The changes are subtle and slow.

And then you must ask them: But how, then, do you know yourself that these changes are taking place?

Because science tells me, they will say.

And then, you: But how do you know that science is correct?

The scientists tell me so, they will say.

And here you must nod, and perhaps lay a hand of comfort upon their shoulder, because you are about to shatter their narrow universe.  It is the same, my friend, you will say,  as with the Lord and I.

You see, in the end, there is not actual evidence of evolution. No one has see ...


Triple score for using "intensive purposes".
 
2013-11-13 05:22:59 PM  
Wait, does it start with Santa Claus visiting the desert island you and your mom is on, or a bungled attempt to predict the back of a card? Perhaps it,s p=NP.
 
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