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(Some Guy)   Remember when the Lousiana EBT system crashed and people went all "RAID WALMART NO EBT LIMITS? Nothing bad can come from this, right?" Well, according to the Governor, you were wrong   (freedomoutpost.com) divider line 254
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2013-11-13 02:19:11 PM  
That is SO righteous!

/Fark you, greedy freeloaders.
 
2013-11-13 02:21:26 PM  
Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

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2013-11-13 02:23:37 PM  
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2013-11-13 02:35:21 PM  

keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success


Cashiers don't wield that sort of authority and at Wal*Mart, I doubt they even care.
 
2013-11-13 02:37:35 PM  
Ugh. On one hand GOOD.
On the other hand a lot of those people are going to have families and now we've got a gaggle of children who won't have food at home for the month.
On a third hand if my mom did something that lost us our grocery money, then tough shiate, figure it out yourself.
On a fourth hand my mom had the know-how to be able to procure food for her family, the sense of sacrifice to go without for herself to be able to feed her children, and wasn't raised in a culture that taught her to be dependent on and expectant of others to meet basic needs.
On a fifth hand my comment now has five hands and is turning into a scary mutant and I'm sure I've pissed off 1,000 people with my Mutant Five-Handed Comment Monster.

This isn't a clear cut issue, I believe.
 
2013-11-13 02:54:28 PM  
Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?
 
2013-11-13 02:57:58 PM  

Anne.Uumellmahaye: Ugh. On one hand GOOD.
On the other hand a lot of those people are going to have families and now we've got a gaggle of children who won't have food at home for the month.
On a third hand if my mom did something that lost us our grocery money, then tough shiate, figure it out yourself.
On a fourth hand my mom had the know-how to be able to procure food for her family, the sense of sacrifice to go without for herself to be able to feed her children, and wasn't raised in a culture that taught her to be dependent on and expectant of others to meet basic needs.
On a fifth hand my comment now has five hands and is turning into a scary mutant and I'm sure I've pissed off 1,000 people with my Mutant Five-Handed Comment Monster.

This isn't a clear cut issue, I believe.


It is pretty clear cut. The people pushing this already thought the lazy poors should be left to starve. This just gives them the excuse they needed.
 
2013-11-13 03:04:53 PM  
Hope they loaded up on non perishables. They may need it.
 
2013-11-13 03:08:34 PM  
I know that this blog sucks and all, but the quality of writing is atrocious, even for a bagger blog:

Governor Jindal's move comes after public urging from the office of the Louisiana Attorney General, David Vitter.

Sen. David Vitter urged Louisiana officials Wednesday to pursue charges and strip food stamp benefits from Wal-Mart shoppers in north Louisiana who turned a technical glitch into a free shopping spree.
Vitter, R-La., called for state Attorney General Buddy Caldwell

Ugh.
 
2013-11-13 03:10:06 PM  

Anne.Uumellmahaye: Mutant Five-Handed Comment Monster.


You have a five handed comment monster, I have six fingers on my right hand.
 
2013-11-13 03:11:50 PM  
As I noted when it happened: looting with your ID doesn't seem like a real great idea

/what could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-11-13 03:31:11 PM  
Anne.Uumellmahaye:
On a fourth hand my mom had the know-how to be able to procure food for her family, the sense of sacrifice to go without for herself to be able to feed her children, and wasn't raised in a culture that taught her to be dependent on and expectant of others to meet basic needs.

Yeah, you really don't want to know what exactly that know-how your mom has that paid for the food.
 
2013-11-13 03:47:46 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I noted when it happened: looting with your ID doesn't seem like a real great idea



Yeah, this.  Only the people who committed fraud are being cut off.  The people who didn't still have their benefits.  It's not a clear-cut issue, but I think we can all agree that Theft is Wrong.
 
2013-11-13 04:11:33 PM  
How could anyone be that stupid to think they could use the card with no limit and get away wi......

Oh wait,  never mind.
 
2013-11-13 04:18:51 PM  
Remember last month when EBT cards in Louisiana showed no limits? Remember how all of those EBT users had a chaos-fueled shopping spree and emptied store shelves within hours? Remember how that one woman with only 49 cents left on her card tried to leave with $700 worth of food?

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2013-11-13 04:53:02 PM  

Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?


Bingo.
 
2013-11-13 04:53:32 PM  
How would they know? Did all the shops write down the EBT card numbers and amounts? If so, then those people are SOL.  Guess the governor's going all old testament on them.

Rememberfolks, Jesus is watching.
 
2013-11-13 04:54:46 PM  
Should have earned the  HERO  tag.
 
2013-11-13 04:55:07 PM  
Well they did stock up. I hope cheating was worth it you morons.
 
2013-11-13 04:55:09 PM  
I wonder if they are all getting calls on their state paid for cell phones from Karma trying to make appointments for the biatch slaps she needs to hand out....
 
2013-11-13 04:55:20 PM  
I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111
 
2013-11-13 04:56:23 PM  

Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?


The article says the state is protected so I highly doubt the SNAP program will honor the charges to Walmart. The safeguards failed so screw the retailer who didn't follow the rules and the same to the people who tried to take advantage of their fellow citizens.
 
2013-11-13 04:56:26 PM  
I do not recall this incident but it doesn't surprise me at all. Fark the looters, I say. They'll find a way to get back into the system
 
2013-11-13 04:58:00 PM  

LordJiro: Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?

Bingo.


wal mart paid the bill.  Can't wait for the riots when these attractive people no longer get free food courtesy of tax payers
 
2013-11-13 04:58:36 PM  

keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

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According to the article, if the card system goes down reatailers are suppossed to limit the purchase to $50.  For some reason they chose not to.  Anything over $50 in my mind is really on them.
 
2013-11-13 04:58:46 PM  
Good.

It's the people abusing the system that jeopardize it for those who really need the assistance.
 
2013-11-13 04:58:48 PM  
As always, it's going to be the kids of the crooks who end up suffering, which is sad.

I don't feel sorry for the crooks, just the kids.
 
2013-11-13 04:59:05 PM  

libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111


Preach on....

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2013-11-13 04:59:46 PM  
The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.
 
2013-11-13 04:59:49 PM  
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2013-11-13 05:01:45 PM  

garkola: How would they know? Did all the shops write down the EBT card numbers and amounts? If so, then those people are SOL.  Guess the governor's going all old testament on them.

Rememberfolks, Jesus is watching.


Aren't these like debit card? So doesn't the state just wait for their next bank statement?

I lean toward the commie social welfare side of this type of assistance, but in this case, we tried to help you, you broke the rules, you lose, you get nothing, good day.

/I said, good day!
 
2013-11-13 05:01:54 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Anne.Uumellmahaye: Mutant Five-Handed Comment Monster.

You have a five handed comment monster, I have six fingers on my right hand.


I have three nipples, the three of us should start a death metal band!
 
2013-11-13 05:02:04 PM  

libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111


Steal - you may want to look that definition up regarding context of that first use.  It does not matter if you are rich, poor or middle of the road - stealing is wrong.  Trying to justify it because others do it is also wrong.  And you should feel bad.
 
2013-11-13 05:02:12 PM  

lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.


Yes this makes people very happy.

Because poor people are only here to keep the middle class scared shiatless.
 
2013-11-13 05:04:25 PM  

Nabb1: keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success

Cashiers don't wield that sort of authority and at Wal*Mart, I doubt they even care.


The cashiers at Wal*Mart ARE the EBT users...
 
2013-11-13 05:04:33 PM  

HeadLever: libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111

Steal - you may want to look that definition up regarding context of that first use.  It does not matter if you are rich, poor or middle of the road - stealing is wrong.  Trying to justify it because others do it is also wrong.  And you should feel bad.


Yes, stealing is wrong.

It is just so unfortunate that the rich are able to do it freely and they get rewarded for it, yet when the poor do it they are punished.
 
2013-11-13 05:04:52 PM  
It was reported that Walmart should have allowed only $50 to be purchased by any person. Walmart made the decision to not stop people from using the EBT system while it was down. The result is Walmart reportedly isn't being paid for their losses.

I have mixed feelings about this .. on one had, it isn't the kids fault that their parents are trying to loot the stores (did you see the aftermath, it was terrible), but it will be the kids who ultimately suffer.

that being said, if Walmart had told EBT customers "sorry the EBT system is down, no food for you" then we would be reading about how much Walmart hates poor people.

Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.
 
2013-11-13 05:05:22 PM  

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Ditto.
 
2013-11-13 05:05:36 PM  

libranoelrose: Yes this makes people very happy.


Being punished for doing wrong makes folks feel like there is justice in the land.  It is refreshing sometimes.
 
2013-11-13 05:07:05 PM  

lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.


The kids still get WIC and a new foster family while mommy & daddy go to prison for theft
 
2013-11-13 05:07:32 PM  

Gyrfalcon: As always, it's going to be the kids of the crooks who end up suffering, which is sad.

I don't feel sorry for the crooks, just the kids.


They can eat 10X per week at school free. Just sayin'
 
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2013-11-13 05:08:25 PM  

lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.


What should the punishment be?
 
2013-11-13 05:08:37 PM  
Darn, right before Christmas too.

And I was going to buy Sarah Palins new book this year. Guess I'll have to wait until next year when they give them away with the purchase of a box of Crayons...
 
2013-11-13 05:08:45 PM  

libranoelrose: It is just so unfortunate that the rich are able to do it freely and they get rewarded for it,


All theives are 'rewarded' so long as they don't get caught.

And the rich don't steal (in the legal term) any more freely than the rest of us.  In fact, in that context, I would think that they do it less.
 
2013-11-13 05:09:30 PM  

garkola: How would they know? Did all the shops write down the EBT card numbers and amounts? If so, then those people are SOL.  Guess the governor's going all old testament on them.

Rememberfolks, Jesus is watching.



At the end of the month, the store submits their records to the state for re-embursement.  SNAP cards work like debit cards, their system pings to SNAP system and asks if they have enough.  Because of the ping, the SNAP system automatically charges the account for the purchase and takes the amount off of their balance, but the store doesn't get the money untill it charges the state for it.

So, essentially, the stores did take down numbers and accounts so they can charge the state.  The state system came back and said "Yep, they have no limit of food, you're good,"  Its all a matter of accounting.
 
2013-11-13 05:09:36 PM  
They should get jobs at Goldman Sachs.
 
2013-11-13 05:09:58 PM  

rosemary's baby daddy: LordJiro: Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?

Bingo.

wal mart paid the bill.  Can't wait for the riots when these attractive people no longer get free food courtesy of tax payers


Stormfront offline today?
 
2013-11-13 05:11:27 PM  
If only I was poor enough to get food stamps, that would be so terrific!  Oh wait I am poor enough to get food stamps.

I don't get food stamps, so fick alles.
 
2013-11-13 05:12:33 PM  

libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111


Saying that people are thieves because they are poor is an insult to poor people.
 
2013-11-13 05:13:13 PM  

lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.


If more of them starve to death, they will make fewer poor babies, and thus need less food.  See the system works!


Dickens would be so proud of us!
 
2013-11-13 05:13:40 PM  

keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success


How is that anti-poor? Honest poor people wouldn't have perpetuated a fraud. These free-loading criminals saw it as yet another opportunity to get something for nothing.

Too bad we can't reallocate the money the state is taking away from those asshats to the honest EBT users who shopped that day and didn't steal.
This is not anti-poor. This is crime-doesn't-pay. And I hope the stores remember next time to stick to their $50 limits--they lost a lot of money on this.

Every single person who spent more EBT money than they had in their account should lose their entitlements FOREVER. Criminals don't deserve assistance from the taxpayers.
 
2013-11-13 05:16:03 PM  

rosemary's baby daddy: Can't wait for the riots when these attractive people no longer get free food courtesy of tax payers



It's happened before.

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2013-11-13 05:16:04 PM  

Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?


From what I have read, that limit is a suggestion (and a wise one) from the EBT agency, but not a hard rule. Bet that changes.
 
2013-11-13 05:17:10 PM  

libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111


They probably should have thought about that BEFORE they committed fraud; shouldn't they? They didn't catch a break so much as commit massive, willful fraud. Hell; I bet the state could get every single one of them on RICO charges to go with the fraud!
 
2013-11-13 05:17:24 PM  
Walmart made how many billion last year? A ton of it by farking over taxpayers to pay the tab from screwing over workers. Let them eat this like cake.

/at the same time don't exploit the system and feed this class-warfare BS
 
2013-11-13 05:18:32 PM  

LordJiro: Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?

Bingo.


And they should have to eat a charges >$50 per card. It is their own fault.
 
2013-11-13 05:19:47 PM  
According to this, hourly employees had their hours cut to make up the losses Walmart incurred.

/grain of salt, consider the source, etc etc.
 
2013-11-13 05:20:24 PM  

Barfmaker: So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?


Link at the bottom goes to story that those Walmart stores are cutting back on expenses (workers) to offset those losses.
 
2013-11-13 05:20:41 PM  

Deedeemarz: keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success

How is that anti-poor? Honest poor people wouldn't have perpetuated a fraud. These free-loading criminals saw it as yet another opportunity to get something for nothing.

Too bad we can't reallocate the money the state is taking away from those asshats to the honest EBT users who shopped that day and didn't steal.
This is not anti-poor. This is crime-doesn't-pay. And I hope the stores remember next time to stick to their $50 limits--they lost a lot of money on this.

Every single person who spent more EBT money than they had in their account should lose their entitlements FOREVER. Criminals don't deserve assistance from the taxpayers.


I love a good 'binary view of the world and no consideration for the negative consequences that will result" farker.

What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?
 
2013-11-13 05:20:46 PM  

Gyrfalcon: As always, it's going to be the kids of the crooks who end up suffering, which is sad.

I don't feel sorry for the crooks, just the kids.


The kids can get at least two free meals a day at school and most communities have food banks where they can get basics and nonperishables.

Guess those parents should have thought about the impact of their behavior on their kids. What a concept....
 
2013-11-13 05:21:44 PM  
As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.
 
2013-11-13 05:22:15 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Anne.Uumellmahaye: Mutant Five-Handed Comment Monster.

You have a five handed comment monster, I have six fingers on my right hand.


Someone was looking for you.
 
2013-11-13 05:23:29 PM  
May I just add, buwahahahahah.

Losers
 
2013-11-13 05:23:57 PM  

GORDON: libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111

Saying that people are thieves because they are poor is an insult to poor people.


I don't think I said that.
 
2013-11-13 05:24:06 PM  

GORDON: libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111

Saying that people are thieves because they are poor is an insult to poor people.


Poor people are not thieves. Lowlife loser criminal assholes are thieves.
 
2013-11-13 05:25:32 PM  

walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.


I have a few friends on EBT who were pretty damned furious when they saw this.  Though it may have been because they want carts full of more groceries, too ;)

I still can't decide what I think on it.  Obviously stealing is bad, mmkay, but if they loaded up on, say, a basket full of fresh vegetables and fruits for their kids, I'm inclined to say, "Can we foot the bill on this one?"

Granted, from the pictures, which may have not even have been from the incident, that didn't appear to be the case.
 
2013-11-13 05:25:57 PM  

Deedeemarz: LordJiro: Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?

Bingo.

And they should have to eat a charges >$50 per card. It is their own fault.


From other articles I've read, Wal-Mart is eating the overages.
 
2013-11-13 05:26:42 PM  

Tigger: What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?


Move to North Dakota and get a real job?
 
2013-11-13 05:27:55 PM  

Deedeemarz: GORDON: libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111

Saying that people are thieves because they are poor is an insult to poor people.

Poor people are not thieves. Lowlife loser criminal assholes are thieves.


Not all lowlife loser criminal assholes are thieves some are simply lowlife loser criminal assholes who would like nothing more than to shoot you for being in their neighborhood.
 
2013-11-13 05:28:39 PM  

FitzShivering: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

I have a few friends on EBT who were pretty damned furious when they saw this.  Though it may have been because they want carts full of more groceries, too ;)

I still can't decide what I think on it.  Obviously stealing is bad, mmkay, but if they loaded up on, say, a basket full of fresh vegetables and fruits for their kids, I'm inclined to say, "Can we foot the bill on this one?"

Granted, from the pictures, which may have not even have been from the incident, that didn't appear to be the case.


Yeah, the type of people that abuse the system like that aren't putting anything in their cart with the word "fruit" spelled correctly.  Probably lots of "Froot" and "Fruutie" items though.
 
2013-11-13 05:29:30 PM  
Tigger:

I love a good 'binary view of the world and no consideration for the negative consequences that will result" farker.

What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?


I think the Republicans think that they'll magically become bootstrappy and hard-working since they won't be depending on Government help keeping them down. . .that or they'll just plain die.   In any case, they see it as not their problem anymore.

That's what it comes down to, they genuinely don't care about the poor.  They don't care if they live or die, if they go hungry or not, they assume the poor are that way because they are lazy or immoral and if they were good people they'd have more money.
 
2013-11-13 05:29:47 PM  

HeadLever: Tigger: What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?

Move to North Dakota and get a real job?


Its a nice thought, but I don't think it would happen.
 
2013-11-13 05:30:55 PM  

walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.


When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"
 
2013-11-13 05:31:17 PM  

Tigger: Deedeemarz: keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success

How is that anti-poor? Honest poor people wouldn't have perpetuated a fraud. These free-loading criminals saw it as yet another opportunity to get something for nothing.

Too bad we can't reallocate the money the state is taking away from those asshats to the honest EBT users who shopped that day and didn't steal.
This is not anti-poor. This is crime-doesn't-pay. And I hope the stores remember next time to stick to their $50 limits--they lost a lot of money on this.

Every single person who spent more EBT money than they had in their account should lose their entitlements FOREVER. Criminals don't deserve assistance from the taxpayers.

I love a good 'binary view of the world and no consideration for the negative consequences that will result" farker.

What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?


Those desperate starving people won't actually starve. Their kids will eat at school and the after school program or church or whatever, and they will continue to make it like they always have. Because I can guarantee you that the criminals who committed this crime have been fleecing the system a long time. This wasn't their only revenue stream. It is a sad situation for the honest people who get a bad rap due to assholes like this though. At least since the idiots who committed the crimes are easily ID'd, the honest folks shouldn't be impacted. These people need to take responsibility for their actions. What they did was wrong. It really is that simple. And if they commit crimes to make up for their lost benefits, well they have already proven they have are criminals so what is the surprise there?
 
2013-11-13 05:31:36 PM  

Silverstaff: Tigger:

I love a good 'binary view of the world and no consideration for the negative consequences that will result" farker.

What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?

I think the Republicans think that they'll magically become bootstrappy and hard-working since they won't be depending on Government help keeping them down. . .that or they'll just plain die.   In any case, they see it as not their problem anymore.

That's what it comes down to, they genuinely don't care about the poor.  They don't care if they live or die, if they go hungry or not, they assume the poor are that way because they are lazy or immoral and if they were good people they'd have more money.


Thats a whole lotta thinkin goin on
 
2013-11-13 05:32:13 PM  
Tigger:

I love a good 'binary view of the world and no consideration for the negative consequences that will result" farker.

You're right, of course.  The negative consequences of giving out such assistance to so many with no accountability have been ignored for decades.  it's time some light was shed on the issue.
 
2013-11-13 05:33:03 PM  

Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"


Maybe
 
2013-11-13 05:33:11 PM  

ecl: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

What should the punishment be?


I'm not really sure there is a good punishment. It's probably the only punishment allowed by the law, but it is mind bending that starving the kids seems to be agreeable to people.
 
2013-11-13 05:33:18 PM  

Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"


Because income tax is the only kind of tax.
 
2013-11-13 05:35:47 PM  

lockers: ecl: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

What should the punishment be?

I'm not really sure there is a good punishment. It's probably the only punishment allowed by the law, but it is mind bending that starving the kids seems to be agreeable to people.


I don't think anyone is agreeing that it is ok to starve kids, and I don't think the kids will starve anyway.
 
2013-11-13 05:36:07 PM  

ferretman: [imokaywiththis.jpg]

Me three (or 18th or whatever). I worked at a grocery store for 2.5 years, and EBT users were the most self-entitled brats you could possibly serve. Not every EBT user was, but of the worst customers (especially the repeat offenders) 95% were also EBT users. Basic things like telling them prepared meals weren't food-stampable would lead to a hissy fit where I would get threatened and by the time my boss showed up, they'd just key in the override and run away. Therefore, the fit was rewarded and an unlawful precedent was made. Funny thing was, I really liked working there, but EBT customers killed it for me.
 
2013-11-13 05:36:49 PM  
Oh, heaven forbid that people with literally nothing get slightly ahead for once.  It's a good thing they have such a good xian governor down there to put them back in their places.
 
2013-11-13 05:37:42 PM  

Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?


Yeah, this. I say they eat the overages, just like they'd do with other forms of fraud that they don't bother to prevent.
 
2013-11-13 05:37:46 PM  

lockers: but it is mind bending that starving the kids seems to be agreeable to people.


Maybe the parents should have thought about this BEFORE they went on thier little shopping spree.  Hard to feed your kids when you in Prison, isn't it?
 
2013-11-13 05:37:49 PM  
Reading the comments here and in the article.  It's always the right-wingers with their disgusting posts and lack of empathy.
 
2013-11-13 05:37:56 PM  
Rich or poor, criminals should burn.
 
2013-11-13 05:38:14 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-11-13 05:39:43 PM  

Great_Milenko: Oh, heaven forbid that people with literally nothing get slightly ahead for once.


Yep, because laws are only for rich people.
 
2013-11-13 05:40:12 PM  

lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.


They ain't my kids you commie bastard.
 
2013-11-13 05:40:42 PM  
LordJiro
2013-11-13 04:53:02 PM


Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?

Bingo.

Liar.
But keep banging your "hate walmart" drum.
 
2013-11-13 05:41:09 PM  

WTFDYW: Hope they loaded up on non perishables. They may need it.



Like Legos and a Kindle Fire and Lee Press-On Nails and a Roomba? Like those things?
 
2013-11-13 05:41:28 PM  

Great_Milenko: Oh, heaven forbid that people with literally nothing get slightly ahead for once.


Would you feel the same if they had skipped the register and just stolen the food outright?
 
2013-11-13 05:41:32 PM  

Charlie Chingas: It's always the right-left-wingers with their disgusting posts and support of criminals lack of empathy.


Just as accurate
 
2013-11-13 05:42:30 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?

Yeah, this. I say they eat the overages, just like they'd do with other forms of fraud that they don't bother to prevent.


Geez .. does nobody read the farking articles

WALMART HAS TO ABSORB THE LOSSES

damnit, I didn't want to yell but shiat .. read a few lines of the article or maybe read the farking comments in this thread
 
2013-11-13 05:43:06 PM  
"Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases."

 Didn't see anything about the stores sharing some blame.
 
2013-11-13 05:43:09 PM  
libranoelrose [TotalFark]

I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.
Maybe we should vote for "change".
 
2013-11-13 05:44:35 PM  

Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"



He lives in Atlanta, he pays a shiatload of sales tax.
 
2013-11-13 05:44:41 PM  

ReverendJynxed: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

They ain't my kids you commie bastard.


Socialist, not communist. I think a capitalist system is inherently better at least until human labor is unnecessary.
 
2013-11-13 05:45:28 PM  

2wolves: "Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases."

 Didn't see anything about the stores sharing some blame.


then you didn't read the farking article or any of the posts in this thread
 
2013-11-13 05:46:48 PM  

lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.


Wal-Mart lost a shiatton of money on the deal.
 
2013-11-13 05:48:12 PM  
I like how everyone conveniently forgets that Walmart managers decided to allow the people to get what they wanted on Walmart's dime (the government only pays $50 per transaction in instances like this). Lots of FUD.
 
2013-11-13 05:48:27 PM  
Actually, if I were governor, I'd be punishing both sides.  It appears that the rule states that the cards are limited to fifty dollars in the event of a system malfunction.  I can see the cashiers ringing stuff, but pretty quickly it should have been apparent to management what was going on.  They chose to let people do it though, since hey, a sale is a sale.  I don't know how much it would hurt, but how about revoking certain stores participation in the program?  Like they do when they catch bodegas trading food stamps for cigarettes.

And on the other hand, people should know that in the event of a major cluster dark, you don't get to keep the money that was erroneously given to you.  Have your paycheck direct deposited?  Guess what, if the payroll people or the bank make an oopsie with a decimal point they actually have a short window of a couple days to debit the extra money right back out of your account.   Get a bank statement that says you have a billion dollars?  You'd better cash out and move to Bolivia before they catch on and correct it.  This is a classic case of people seeing an error and thinking it means "Hey, free money!" and frankly, they should know better.  It's really as dishonest as noticing a cashier giving you a twenty back in change instead of a five and not correcting them.
 
2013-11-13 05:48:37 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"


He lives in Atlanta, he pays a shiatload of sales tax.


and maybe GA income tax
 
2013-11-13 05:49:06 PM  

JuicePats: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Wal-Mart lost a shiatton of money on the deal.


okay, so yeah, I guess they will finally train their staff better.
 
2013-11-13 05:51:21 PM  

manimal2878: keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success

According to the article, if the card system goes down reatailers are suppossed to limit the purchase to $50.  For some reason they chose not to.  Anything over $50 in my mind is really on them.


Heh. If Jindal is smart, that should be his next move...ask for repayment from the stores that violated the 50 dollar rule. No repayment, banned from the system.
 
2013-11-13 05:51:26 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: and frankly, they should know better.


There is a reason they are poor.
 
2013-11-13 05:51:38 PM  

WTFDYW: Hope they loaded up on non perishables. They may need it.


I don't think lobster and steak are considered non perishable...
 
2013-11-13 05:51:42 PM  

gilgigamesh: Anne.Uumellmahaye: Ugh. On one hand GOOD.
On the other hand a lot of those people are going to have families and now we've got a gaggle of children who won't have food at home for the month.
On a third hand if my mom did something that lost us our grocery money, then tough shiate, figure it out yourself.
On a fourth hand my mom had the know-how to be able to procure food for her family, the sense of sacrifice to go without for herself to be able to feed her children, and wasn't raised in a culture that taught her to be dependent on and expectant of others to meet basic needs.
On a fifth hand my comment now has five hands and is turning into a scary mutant and I'm sure I've pissed off 1,000 people with my Mutant Five-Handed Comment Monster.

This isn't a clear cut issue, I believe.

It is pretty clear cut. The people pushing this already thought the lazy poors should be left to starve. This just gives them the excuse they needed.


It's a vast conspiracy for those with wealth to want to stop giving it away with nothing in return?   What sick planet do you live on where this that's expected?
 
2013-11-13 05:51:55 PM  

HeadLever: Tigger: What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?

Move to North Dakota and get a real job?


. . .because people who can't even afford food to eat can afford to move their entire family across the country to another state and get work in an industry where they have no experience or training, with no guarantee of work once they got there.

Yeah, that's a great plan.

/sarcasm.
 
2013-11-13 05:52:00 PM  
Just for a little perspective, I wonder how many people who work at Walmart are shoved off onto the food stamps and Medicaid system because their employer doesn't pay a living wage, and cuts hours to less than full time, so they aren't eligible for health insurance?

I am not condoning this EBT free-for-all thing, but nor will I condone the nation's largest private employer stealing from all of us.
 
2013-11-13 05:52:04 PM  

lockers: JuicePats: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Wal-Mart lost a shiatton of money on the deal.

okay, so yeah, I guess they will finally train their staff better.


It was Walmart upper management that made the decision. They rolled the dice and lost. I'd be willing to bet they figured they would be paid for the overages and everything would be copacetic.
 
2013-11-13 05:52:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: As always, it's going to be the kids of the crooks who end up suffering, which is sad.

I don't feel sorry for the crooks, just the kids.


you're right.  we should cut off benefits to the scammers  and take their kids away from them too.  win/win


also, Bobby Jindal doesn't care about brown people.
 
2013-11-13 05:52:28 PM  

FitzShivering: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

I have a few friends on EBT who were pretty damned furious when they saw this.  Though it may have been because they want carts full of more groceries, too ;)

I still can't decide what I think on it.  Obviously stealing is bad, mmkay, but if they loaded up on, say, a basket full of fresh vegetables and fruits for their kids, I'm inclined to say, "Can we foot the bill on this one?"

Granted, from the pictures, which may have not even have been from the incident, that didn't appear to be the case.


That's my thinking, too. If they used the cards to buy food items that maybe they couldn't have normally afforded (like macadamia nuts), then that's different than purchasing early Christmas presents and flat screen TV's.
 
2013-11-13 05:52:44 PM  

HeadLever: Charlie Chingas: It's always the right-left-wingers with their disgusting posts and support of criminals lack of empathy.

Just as accurate


THIS ISN'T THE TIME TO MAKE SENSE!
 
2013-11-13 05:54:29 PM  
FitzShivering:
I still can't decide what I think on it.  Obviously stealing is bad, mmkay, but if they loaded up on, say, a basket full of fresh vegetables and fruits...

You can't eat an entire shopping cart worth of fruit before it goes bad; you're just being greedy because there's no consequences.
 
2013-11-13 05:55:06 PM  

ka1axy: manimal2878: keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success

According to the article, if the card system goes down reatailers are suppossed to limit the purchase to $50.  For some reason they chose not to.  Anything over $50 in my mind is really on them.

Heh. If Jindal is smart, that should be his next move...ask for repayment from the stores that violated the 50 dollar rule. No repayment, banned from the system.


um .. they aren't paying Walmart jack shiat are you even reading the farking article?
 
2013-11-13 05:55:59 PM  

MemeSlave: It's a vast conspiracy for those with wealth to want to stop giving it away with nothing in return? What sick planet do you live on where this that's expected?


Your wealth is entirely at the peoples leisure. You shouldn't ignore history if your pushing that agenda.
 
2013-11-13 05:56:09 PM  

unreasonable ass: It was reported that Walmart should have allowed only $50 to be purchased by any person. Walmart made the decision to not stop people from using the EBT system while it was down. The result is Walmart reportedly isn't being paid for their losses.

I have mixed feelings about this .. on one had, it isn't the kids fault that their parents are trying to loot the stores (did you see the aftermath, it was terrible), but it will be the kids who ultimately suffer.

that being said, if Walmart had told EBT customers "sorry the EBT system is down, no food for you" then we would be reading about how much Walmart hates poor people.

Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.


No, they should have said "sorry, the system is down; $50.00 worth of food for you." Walmart simply didn't feel like participating in the program correctly, I'm thinking, because they'd thought the state would reimburse their losses, and they'd get a windfall day from all their customers empting the store.
 
2013-11-13 05:58:23 PM  
Did people here watch some of those videos? Endless carts being sent through by one person? That's not OK. It's about time some people learned that there are limits.
 
2013-11-13 06:01:37 PM  

Silverstaff: Yeah, that's a great plan.


If they are willing to work and don't have a Thug's attitude, they could do exacty that.  They would not have to move the family up right away, but after some time when they could actually afford it.  And you don't have to be a rig worker to get a job there. Everything from housing, truck drivers, general service, janitorial, and even burger flipping is in very high demand.
 
2013-11-13 06:02:19 PM  

Khazar-Khum: some people


Poor people
 
2013-11-13 06:02:34 PM  
Some of y'all just come here to fight without reading a damned thing don't you?
 
2013-11-13 06:02:42 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-11-13 06:03:19 PM  

MemeSlave: It's a vast conspiracy for those with wealth to want to stop giving it away with nothing in return? What sick planet do you live on where this that's expected?


They absolutely get something in return: not being dragged from their homes by angry, starving mobs to have their severed heads jammed onto a spike.

Public welfare is the price we pay for a peaceful, modern society. Given the return on investment, I'm surprised so many constantly gripe at the cost.
 
2013-11-13 06:03:28 PM  

Sim Tree: unreasonable ass: It was reported that Walmart should have allowed only $50 to be purchased by any person. Walmart made the decision to not stop people from using the EBT system while it was down. The result is Walmart reportedly isn't being paid for their losses.

I have mixed feelings about this .. on one had, it isn't the kids fault that their parents are trying to loot the stores (did you see the aftermath, it was terrible), but it will be the kids who ultimately suffer.

that being said, if Walmart had told EBT customers "sorry the EBT system is down, no food for you" then we would be reading about how much Walmart hates poor people.

Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.

No, they should have said "sorry, the system is down; $50.00 worth of food for you." Walmart simply didn't feel like participating in the program correctly, I'm thinking, because they'd thought the state would reimburse their losses, and they'd get a windfall day from all their customers empting the store.


Or they saw that they were outnumbered by screaming, angry people, and took the submissive approach.  Which would you do? Tell someone with 12 carts full of stuff, along with hundreds of other people doing the same thing, that NO, they can't have it? Management didn't want their people killed. You can bet that people wouldn't take the news that they had to put everything back very well.
 
2013-11-13 06:05:00 PM  
I was trying to create a sarcastic post that attributed this move to Jindal's obeisance to his WalMart puppetmasters, but discovered that nothing I could come up with sounded nutty enough to be beyond what a real WalMart/Jindal hater would say.
 
2013-11-13 06:05:34 PM  

trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 437x433]
Thanks, Obama!


Finally! Why did that take so long?!?!?!
 
2013-11-13 06:06:17 PM  

HairyNevus: ferretman: [imokaywiththis.jpg]
Me three (or 18th or whatever). I worked at a grocery store for 2.5 years, and EBT users were the most self-entitled brats you could possibly serve. Not every EBT user was, but of the worst customers (especially the repeat offenders) 95% were also EBT users. Basic things like telling them prepared meals weren't food-stampable would lead to a hissy fit where I would get threatened and by the time my boss showed up, they'd just key in the override and run away. Therefore, the fit was rewarded and an unlawful precedent was made. Funny thing was, I really liked working there, but EBT customers killed it for me.


Anytime a boss overrides you doing your job the way you are trained is demoralizing.  I blame your old boss more than the EBT frauds.  The frauds act like that because of managers who are over pleasing customers.  The weirdest exchange I have seen was after a black lady was called on her bs, a black female manager went over to tell her to cut her crap out.  The irate customer lost all face when she called the manager racist.  I about died laughing.  The manager looked like she was going to slap the customer.
 
2013-11-13 06:06:39 PM  

Khazar-Khum: Sim Tree: unreasonable ass: It was reported that Walmart should have allowed only $50 to be purchased by any person. Walmart made the decision to not stop people from using the EBT system while it was down. The result is Walmart reportedly isn't being paid for their losses.

I have mixed feelings about this .. on one had, it isn't the kids fault that their parents are trying to loot the stores (did you see the aftermath, it was terrible), but it will be the kids who ultimately suffer.

that being said, if Walmart had told EBT customers "sorry the EBT system is down, no food for you" then we would be reading about how much Walmart hates poor people.

Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.

No, they should have said "sorry, the system is down; $50.00 worth of food for you." Walmart simply didn't feel like participating in the program correctly, I'm thinking, because they'd thought the state would reimburse their losses, and they'd get a windfall day from all their customers empting the store.

Or they saw that they were outnumbered by screaming, angry people, and took the submissive approach.  Which would you do? Tell someone with 12 carts full of stuff, along with hundreds of other people doing the same thing, that NO, they can't have it? Management didn't want their people killed. You can bet that people wouldn't take the news that they had to put everything back very well.



I can see that.  From the images I saw, it was basically a looting situation.
 
2013-11-13 06:09:21 PM  

Great_Milenko: It's a good thing they have such a good xian governor down there to put them back in their places.


What?  He's a dirty papist what takes his orders from a king in a pointy hat.  America will never elect a Catholic president, his loyalties would always be in question.

Also, do NOT read the comments on that article.
 
2013-11-13 06:09:47 PM  
It seems to me if you loaded up on more than a months worth of food then you still come out ahead.
 
2013-11-13 06:10:40 PM  

Deedeemarz: Those desperate starving people won't actually starve. Their kids will eat at school and the after school program or church or whatever, and they will continue to make it like they always have. Because I can guarantee you that the criminals who committed this crime have been fleecing the system a long time. This wasn't their only revenue stream. It is a sad situation for the honest people who get a bad rap due to assholes like this though. At least since the idiots who committed the crimes are easily ID'd, the honest folks shouldn't be impacted. These people need to take responsibility for their actions. What they did was wrong. It really is that simple. And if they commit crimes to make up for their lost benefits, well they have already proven they have are criminals so what is the surprise there?


Your posts are so full of hatred and vitriol. If I were religious, all I would be able to say is "I'm praying for you"

cc_rider: Just for a little perspective, I wonder how many people who work at Walmart are shoved off onto the food stamps and Medicaid system because their employer doesn't pay a living wage, and cuts hours to less than full time, so they aren't eligible for health insurance?


Politifact rated a claim of this point as "Mostly true". $1,000 / employee, but that is based on a study from 2004, and things may have changed.
 
2013-11-13 06:14:14 PM  

Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"


That might just be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on Fark. And that's really saying something.

/I award you no points
//And may god have mercy on your soul
 
2013-11-13 06:15:44 PM  

keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success


It said in the article the policy is to limit purchases on all cards to $50. The stores ignored it and let people shop as much as they wanted.
 
2013-11-13 06:15:51 PM  

Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-11-13 06:16:02 PM  
TheDirtyNacho:
No, they should have said "sorry, the system is down; $50.00 worth of food for you." Walmart simply didn't feel like participating in the program correctly, I'm thinking, because they'd thought the state would reimburse their losses, and they'd get a windfall day from all their customers empting the store.

Or they saw that they were outnumbered by screaming, angry people, and took the submissive approach.  Which would you do? Tell someone with 12 carts full of stuff, along with hundreds of other people doing the same thing, that NO, they can't have it? Management didn't want their people killed. You can bet that people wouldn't take the news that they had to put everything back very well.


I can see that.  From the images I saw, it was basically a looting situation.


Absolutely. They called in cops to try and maintain order when the system came back up.

A lot of those carts were filled with things other than food.
 
2013-11-13 06:16:16 PM  

sabreWulf07: Great_Milenko: It's a good thing they have such a good xian governor down there to put them back in their places.

What?  He's a dirty papist what takes his orders from a king in a pointy hat.  America will never elect a Catholic president, his loyalties would always be in question.



t1.gstatic.com
/hot
 
2013-11-13 06:17:10 PM  

keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success


The unlimited cards were an error, not someone's call to remove all limits. Policy is to allow a person to purchase up to $50 worth of food if there is an EBT malfunction.  Walmart should have stuck to this limit, so they are partially to blame for the near riot that followed.  That's in addition to a bunch of dishonest people who are used to getting something for nothing so had no moral or ethical issues with taking more.
 
2013-11-13 06:18:17 PM  

sabreWulf07: Great_Milenko: It's a good thing they have such a good xian governor down there to put them back in their places.

What?  He's a dirty papist what takes his orders from a king in a pointy hat.  America will never elect a Catholic president, his loyalties would always be in question.

Also, do NOT read the comments on that article.


What about JFK? What religion did he subscribe to?
 
2013-11-13 06:19:35 PM  
Haven't read the threads yet, but initial thoughts are that the people affected are going to blame anyone and everyone (except for themselves), some people are going to defend those affected "because of the children", and yet some others are going to argue that there should not be any consequences for committing fraud/theft.

Now to go see how close I am.
 
2013-11-13 06:21:20 PM  
Thanks, Obama,
 
2013-11-13 06:22:04 PM  
Here's a CRAZY idea...
These lazy, poor people should get jobs and stop milking off people like me, who already have a job and pay taxes so these deadbeats can have free stuff.
Or...Die, die, die.
 
2013-11-13 06:24:14 PM  

Rawhead Rex: Here's a CRAZY idea...
These lazy, poor people should get jobs and stop milking off people like me, who already have a job and pay taxes so these deadbeats can have free stuff.
Or...Die, die, die.


Hey look, its Ebenezer Scrooge!
 
2013-11-13 06:24:37 PM  
Or they saw that they were outnumbered by screaming, angry people, and took the submissive approach.  Which would you do? Tell someone with 12 carts full of stuff, along with hundreds of other people doing the same thing, that NO, they can't have it? Management didn't want their people killed. You can bet that people wouldn't take the news that they had to put everything back very well.

THIS
 
2013-11-13 06:26:13 PM  

Misch: Deedeemarz: Those desperate starving people won't actually starve. Their kids will eat at school and the after school program or church or whatever, and they will continue to make it like they always have. Because I can guarantee you that the criminals who committed this crime have been fleecing the system a long time. This wasn't their only revenue stream. It is a sad situation for the honest people who get a bad rap due to assholes like this though. At least since the idiots who committed the crimes are easily ID'd, the honest folks shouldn't be impacted. These people need to take responsibility for their actions. What they did was wrong. It really is that simple. And if they commit crimes to make up for their lost benefits, well they have already proven they have are criminals so what is the surprise there?

Your posts are so full of hatred and vitriol. If I were religious, all I would be able to say is "I'm praying for you"

cc_rider: Just for a little perspective, I wonder how many people who work at Walmart are shoved off onto the food stamps and Medicaid system because their employer doesn't pay a living wage, and cuts hours to less than full time, so they aren't eligible for health insurance?

Politifact rated a claim of this point as "Mostly true". $1,000 / employee, but that is based on a study from 2004, and things may have changed.


Here's a more recent study:

Low Wages at a Single Wal-Mart Store Cost Taxpayers about $1 Million Every Year

http://democrats.edworkforce.house.gov/press-release/low-wages-singl e- wal-mart-store-cost-taxpayers-about-1-million-every-year-says-new
 
2013-11-13 06:28:27 PM  

Khazar-Khum: Or they saw that they were outnumbered by screaming, angry people, and took the submissive approach. Which would you do? Tell someone with 12 carts full of stuff, along with hundreds of other people doing the same thing, that NO, they can't have it? Management didn't want their people killed. You can bet that people wouldn't take the news that they had to put everything back very well.


Walmart sells guns and ammo.  I see a solution to the rampaging farktard problem right there.
 
2013-11-13 06:30:34 PM  
Bravo, Bravo....
 
2013-11-13 06:31:48 PM  

cc_rider: Misch: Deedeemarz: Those desperate starving people won't actually starve. Their kids will eat at school and the after school program or church or whatever, and they will continue to make it like they always have. Because I can guarantee you that the criminals who committed this crime have been fleecing the system a long time. This wasn't their only revenue stream. It is a sad situation for the honest people who get a bad rap due to assholes like this though. At least since the idiots who committed the crimes are easily ID'd, the honest folks shouldn't be impacted. These people need to take responsibility for their actions. What they did was wrong. It really is that simple. And if they commit crimes to make up for their lost benefits, well they have already proven they have are criminals so what is the surprise there?

Your posts are so full of hatred and vitriol. If I were religious, all I would be able to say is "I'm praying for you"

cc_rider: Just for a little perspective, I wonder how many people who work at Walmart are shoved off onto the food stamps and Medicaid system because their employer doesn't pay a living wage, and cuts hours to less than full time, so they aren't eligible for health insurance?

Politifact rated a claim of this point as "Mostly true". $1,000 / employee, but that is based on a study from 2004, and things may have changed.

Here's a more recent study:

Low Wages at a Single Wal-Mart Store Cost Taxpayers about $1 Million Every Year

http://democrats.edworkforce.house.gov/press-release/low-wages-singl e- wal-mart-store-cost-taxpayers-about-1-million-every-year-says-new


That is a myopic view of the economy. It works because it rejects the premise that the employer is a taxpayer and ultimately pays for it anyway. If they paid a living wage, they are still paying for it, so its pretty much a wash.

Companies don't pay taxes, they act merely as an opaque medium through which citizens are taxed without their direct knowledge.
 
2013-11-13 06:32:11 PM  

unreasonable ass: It was reported that Walmart should have allowed only $50 to be purchased by any person. Walmart made the decision to not stop people from using the EBT system while it was down. The result is Walmart reportedly isn't being paid for their losses.

I have mixed feelings about this .. on one had, it isn't the kids fault that their parents are trying to loot the stores (did you see the aftermath, it was terrible), but it will be the kids who ultimately suffer.

that being said, if Walmart had told EBT customers "sorry the EBT system is down, no food for you" then we would be reading about how much Walmart hates poor people.

Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.


I haven't seen any articles where Walmart (or other stores) are complaining to pick up the bill (for charges over $50), have you?
 
2013-11-13 06:32:52 PM  

lockers: JuicePats: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Wal-Mart lost a shiatton of money on the deal.

okay, so yeah, I guess they will finally train their staff better.


unreasonable ass: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?

Yeah, this. I say they eat the overages, just like they'd do with other forms of fraud that they don't bother to prevent.

Geez .. does nobody read the farking articles

WALMART HAS TO ABSORB THE LOSSES

damnit, I didn't want to yell but shiat .. read a few lines of the article or maybe read the farking comments in this thread


You expect me to read the article? As if. I have LOLcats to chortle at.
 
2013-11-13 06:32:53 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: rosemary's baby daddy: Can't wait for the riots when these attractive people no longer get free food courtesy of tax payers


It's happened before.

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The Iranian Revolution really wasn't about the poor or lower class. It was about political and religious oppression at the hands of a brutal dictator and how America and the West directly supported it.
 
2013-11-13 06:32:54 PM  

unreasonable ass: Rawhead Rex: Here's a CRAZY idea...
These lazy, poor people should get jobs and stop milking off people like me, who already have a job and pay taxes so these deadbeats can have free stuff.
Or...Die, die, die.

Hey look, its Ebenezer Scrooge!


How about: People getting welfare should spend 10 hours a week working.
Picking up trash at the park.
Working at a VA center.
 
2013-11-13 06:34:47 PM  

LesterB: Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"

That might just be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on Fark. And that's really saying something.

/I award you no points
//And may god have mercy on your soul


If the govt sends you back more than you paid in, that is not "paying taxes"...
 
2013-11-13 06:34:50 PM  
libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111


I guess you have trouble understanding a lot of things, don't you.  Which shoe on which foot?  Understand that, yet?
 
2013-11-13 06:34:58 PM  

Broktun: unreasonable ass: Rawhead Rex: Here's a CRAZY idea...
These lazy, poor people should get jobs and stop milking off people like me, who already have a job and pay taxes so these deadbeats can have free stuff.
Or...Die, die, die.

Hey look, its Ebenezer Scrooge!

How about: People getting welfare should spend 10 hours a week working.
Picking up trash at the park.
Working at a VA center.


global3.memecdn.com
 
2013-11-13 06:36:37 PM  

Southern100: unreasonable ass: It was reported that Walmart should have allowed only $50 to be purchased by any person. Walmart made the decision to not stop people from using the EBT system while it was down. The result is Walmart reportedly isn't being paid for their losses.

I have mixed feelings about this .. on one had, it isn't the kids fault that their parents are trying to loot the stores (did you see the aftermath, it was terrible), but it will be the kids who ultimately suffer.

that being said, if Walmart had told EBT customers "sorry the EBT system is down, no food for you" then we would be reading about how much Walmart hates poor people.

Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.

I haven't seen any articles where Walmart (or other stores) are complaining to pick up the bill (for charges over $50), have you?


yes
 
2013-11-13 06:37:38 PM  

ShadowKamui: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

The kids still get WIC and a new foster family while mommy & daddy go to prison for theft


I doubt "Theft" could be proven in a court of law; the stores ALLOWED them to make the charges, the stores ALLOWED them to walk out with the groceries.   I wouldn't even try to prosecute them, it would be a waste of time & effort.  I'm even on the fence with the state declaring "Fraud", as again, it goes back to the onus of proof. Sure, there were SOME, maybe even MANY who did this with the clear intent of defrauding the system -- but there could be some who honestly didn't know, and maybe only went over their "limit" by $5, $10, or some other paltry amount.. Perhaps if they only went after the obvious abusers (those who exceeded their limit by hundreds of dollars) I'd be more ok with it, but the article doesn't stipulate..
 
2013-11-13 06:40:54 PM  

Broktun: unreasonable ass: Rawhead Rex: Here's a CRAZY idea...
These lazy, poor people should get jobs and stop milking off people like me, who already have a job and pay taxes so these deadbeats can have free stuff.
Or...Die, die, die.

Hey look, its Ebenezer Scrooge!

How about: People getting welfare should spend 10 hours a week working.
Picking up trash at the park.
Working at a VA center.


10 hours a week... You sir are too kind. These lazy deadbeats would be working more than that or starve if I were in charge.

Oh but the children!! Pfft, sorry kid your parents suck. Better luck next time.
 
2013-11-13 06:41:44 PM  

Noctusxx: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

If more of them starve to death, they will make fewer poor babies, and thus need less food.  See the system works!


Dickens would be so proud of us!


You've finally convinced me, we should reward them, not punish them.
 
2013-11-13 06:42:29 PM  

Southern100: ShadowKamui: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

The kids still get WIC and a new foster family while mommy & daddy go to prison for theft

I doubt "Theft" could be proven in a court of law; the stores ALLOWED them to make the charges, the stores ALLOWED them to walk out with the groceries.   I wouldn't even try to prosecute them, it would be a waste of time & effort.  I'm even on the fence with the state declaring "Fraud", as again, it goes back to the onus of proof. Sure, there were SOME, maybe even MANY who did this with the clear intent of defrauding the system -- but there could be some who honestly didn't know, and maybe only went over their "limit" by $5, $10, or some other paltry amount.. Perhaps if they only went after the obvious abusers (those who exceeded their limit by hundreds of dollars) I'd be more ok with it, but the article doesn't stipulate..


If the person stacked multiple shopping carts with food that easily exceeded what they knew they received from EBT, that pretty much proves they knew they were committing fraud.  The person that went just a little over? You let that slide since that's a reasonable mistake to make.  Just subtract the overage from the next bit of money.
 
2013-11-13 06:42:43 PM  

lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.


Wont somebody please excuse everything because of the children!

http://deescribewriting.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/5-think-of-the-c hi ldren.jpg

No...  Children are no excuse.  If they go hungry, its mamas fault...   You may notice that having children doesn't get you out of any other crimes.
 
2013-11-13 06:44:56 PM  

Maul555: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Wont somebody please excuse everything because of the children!

http://deescribewriting.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/5-think-of-the-c hi ldren.jpg

No...  Children are no excuse.  If they go hungry, its mamas fault...   You may notice that having children doesn't get you out of any other crimes.


I agree with you.  Yet the children did not commit a crime.  If you can come up with a punishment that punishes the mother but does not punish the children, I am right there with you.  By all means, cut off mama's food stamps, as long as you can do it in a way that does not cut off food stamps for the kids who did nothing wrong.
 
2013-11-13 06:46:31 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: Actually, if I were governor, I'd be punishing both sides.  It appears that the rule states that the cards are limited to fifty dollars in the event of a system malfunction.  I can see the cashiers ringing stuff, but pretty quickly it should have been apparent to management what was going on.  They chose to let people do it though, since hey, a sale is a sale.  I don't know how much it would hurt, but how about revoking certain stores participation in the program?  Like they do when they catch bodegas trading food stamps for cigarettes.


Can you imagine the outrage if a store like Walmart were dropped from the program?  How many thousands, if not millions of people would be affected because in some cases there ARE no other stores (except gas stations) in a neighborhood that accept SNAP?

No, dropping them wouldn't be a good solution; making them liable for their own losses works for me.

Now, if they're cutting hours to cover the loses (as a few other posters have implicated), that's not right either.. but short of a class action lawsuit (and we all know how well THOSE turn out -- for the lawyers, anyway), I'm not sure what could be done about that one..
 
2013-11-13 06:47:03 PM  
fark em and their future parasite children.

Also,  http://youtu.be/PU9c0j4iOtw
 
2013-11-13 06:52:00 PM  
I'm ok with this.

Check.

Grumpy cat.

Check.

Nelson ha ha.

I am disappoint.
 
2013-11-13 06:55:38 PM  

namegoeshere: Great_Milenko: Oh, heaven forbid that people with literally nothing get slightly ahead for once.

Would you feel the same if they had skipped the register and just stolen the food outright?


Happy, so happy, because the po's are stickin' it to the man.  They really heroes.
 
2013-11-13 06:55:50 PM  
Class action lawsuit against WalMart by people cut off of EBT in 3... 2... 1...
 
2013-11-13 06:56:01 PM  
"These businesses are only reimbursed for the benefits on the card, and they are completely responsible. So if someone had $50 dollars on their card, and they spent $100, the retailer, in this case Walmart, would be on the hook for the other $50," he said.

Sounds like no one got scammed but Wal Mart. The EBT system didn't get screwed. Wal Mart got screwed. And Wal Mart did it to themselves by allowing purchases they weren't verifying. That being the case, I say that Wal Mart should be responsible for pressing charges, just as they would in any other shoplifting instance. But I really can't get too bent out of shape about bad things happening to people trying to game the system, either...
 
2013-11-13 06:58:00 PM  

Gentoolive: LesterB: Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"

That might just be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on Fark. And that's really saying something.

/I award you no points
//And may god have mercy on your soul

If the govt sends you back more than you paid in, that is not "paying taxes"...


Correct.  It's called 'tax fraud'
 
2013-11-13 06:58:24 PM  
If only there were a way to punish the people who bought this scammed food from the scammers for pennies on the dollar.
 
2013-11-13 07:01:22 PM  

manimal2878: keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success

According to the article, if the card system goes down reatailers are suppossed to limit the purchase to $50.  For some reason they chose not to.  Anything over $50 in my mind is really on them.


Think about it like this. You go to the ATM and withdraw 200 dollars. Guy walks up jacks the 200. U need the money so u get 200 more out. Same thing happens. Is it the banks fault this money was stolen?

This is grown ups they are responsible for their actions. You don't blame the store if somebody shop lifts

/store should have to reimburse over fifty
// that shouldn't get the thieves off the hook
 
2013-11-13 07:02:32 PM  

lockers: JuicePats: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Wal-Mart lost a shiatton of money on the deal.

okay, so yeah, I guess they will finally train their staff better.


Hey, look, someone has finally got the message, and only after it had been repeated how many times.  Must be a critical thinker.
 
2013-11-13 07:08:27 PM  

lennavan: Maul555: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Wont somebody please excuse everything because of the children!

http://deescribewriting.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/5-think-of-the-c hi ldren.jpg

No...  Children are no excuse.  If they go hungry, its mamas fault...   You may notice that having children doesn't get you out of any other crimes.

I agree with you.  Yet the children did not commit a crime.  If you can come up with a punishment that punishes the mother but does not punish the children, I am right there with you.  By all means, cut off mama's food stamps, as long as you can do it in a way that does not cut off food stamps for the kids who did nothing wrong.


My internal world is a mostly mad max like, so take my idea with a grain of salt, and understanding that I do know it will never happen in our namby pamby world.

What they should do is chain the offending parent to a chair and have them sit a fully stocked (healthy even) dinner table, with all of the children.  The children are allowed to eat as much as they want for every meal for the whole month.  (within reason, I don't want no fatties resulting from this)  But the parent gets to eat nothing until they are either passed out from hunger, or are so raving mad from hunger they are willing to fight one of their children for food.  The whole time, and ear phone in the parent's ear repeats "Look what you made us do".  When we need to revive the parent it is with nutraloaf and an IV drip, they don't get any joy from eating for a whole month.  At the end of the month, present the parent with a new EBT card, a rent voucher, and a warning that next time this happens, it might be two months.

This solution, solves many problems.  Solves my problem of not enough pain and suffering for punishment.  Solves the problem of not punishing children (in fact they might even eat better),  Also teaches the children that stealing (or fraud, or whatever) not only doesn't pay, but you might be driven to animalistic madness, where mommy and daddy were willing to fight you for food.
 
2013-11-13 07:11:08 PM  

James10952001: Good.

It's the people abusing the system that jeopardize it for those who really need the assistance.


This. 1000 x this. Takers just take more.
 
2013-11-13 07:11:30 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: My internal world


...is a horrible place filled with awful people.
 
2013-11-13 07:15:25 PM  

sabreWulf07: Great_Milenko: It's a good thing they have such a good xian governor down there to put them back in their places.

What?  He's a dirty papist what takes his orders from a king in a pointy hat.  America will never elect a Catholic president, his loyalties would always be in question.

Also, do NOT read the comments on that article.


Kennedy was Catholic.
 
2013-11-13 07:16:19 PM  

unreasonable ass: cc_rider: Misch: Deedeemarz: Those desperate starving people won't actually starve. Their kids will eat at school and the after school program or church or whatever, and they will continue to make it like they always have. Because I can guarantee you that the criminals who committed this crime have been fleecing the system a long time. This wasn't their only revenue stream. It is a sad situation for the honest people who get a bad rap due to assholes like this though. At least since the idiots who committed the crimes are easily ID'd, the honest folks shouldn't be impacted. These people need to take responsibility for their actions. What they did was wrong. It really is that simple. And if they commit crimes to make up for their lost benefits, well they have already proven they have are criminals so what is the surprise there?

Your posts are so full of hatred and vitriol. If I were religious, all I would be able to say is "I'm praying for you"

cc_rider: Just for a little perspective, I wonder how many people who work at Walmart are shoved off onto the food stamps and Medicaid system because their employer doesn't pay a living wage, and cuts hours to less than full time, so they aren't eligible for health insurance?

Politifact rated a claim of this point as "Mostly true". $1,000 / employee, but that is based on a study from 2004, and things may have changed.

Here's a more recent study:

Low Wages at a Single Wal-Mart Store Cost Taxpayers about $1 Million Every Year

http://democrats.edworkforce.house.gov/press-release/low-wages-singl e- wal-mart-store-cost-taxpayers-about-1-million-every-year-says-new

That is a myopic view of the economy. It works because it rejects the premise that the employer is a taxpayer and ultimately pays for it anyway. If they paid a living wage, they are still paying for it, so its pretty much a wash.

Companies don't pay taxes, they act merely as an opaque medium through which citizens are taxed without their direct knowledge.


The point was not that Walmart employees don't pay taxes, which they certainly do, through their paychecks. It was that their wages are so low, and even though they are employed, many of them still have to turn to govt. assistance programs to make ends meet. It compared Walmart's wages to similar places like Costco, who pays their workers a lot more and makes sure they are eligible for insurance through the company.

In addition, the less money people are paid, the less taxes they pay, the less money they can spend, and put back into the economy, so yes, low wages cost the taxpayers money. Walmart isn't the only culprit, just the largest one.
 
2013-11-13 07:17:01 PM  
I'm OK with this. I don't like thieves.But I can't get especially excited about it.
If you want me to get excited, go after some of the real thieves.
 
2013-11-13 07:17:51 PM  

keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success


Think about it this way, the state fronts the millions of dollars to offset the debt this cost to start this whole thing, then they hope most people that have EBT will participate in this whole thing. Now they can cancel most everyone's cards, and the people who participated, they now owe the state for the rest of their lives. In the end, the state (in the long term) saves millions by not having to give money out, plus they can now garnish everyone's paychecks.
 
2013-11-13 07:18:38 PM  

libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111


Umm... last I checked assistance programs were in the trillion a year area...
 
2013-11-13 07:27:19 PM  
Ugh, my god, that site. The comments. Why are there still people that stupid?

You can always tell the people who have no real concept what freedom is, what America and its constitution really represent, or the definitions of communism or socialism by all of the American flag, bald eagle and/or military-themed sigpics.
 
2013-11-13 07:28:39 PM  

unreasonable ass: lockers: JuicePats: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Wal-Mart lost a shiatton of money on the deal.

okay, so yeah, I guess they will finally train their staff better.

It was Walmart upper management that made the decision. They rolled the dice and lost. I'd be willing to bet they figured they would be paid for the overages and everything would be copacetic.


I was thinking they probably saved the stores from a riot. It's likely cheaper to have let the people just "pay" with their EBT cards instead of getting into a riot situation. This way they have records of who stole how much.
 
2013-11-13 07:33:40 PM  

Tigger: Deedeemarz: keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.  Someone approved that mess higher up the chain, and I believe that was done to create an anti-poor political climate

success

How is that anti-poor? Honest poor people wouldn't have perpetuated a fraud. These free-loading criminals saw it as yet another opportunity to get something for nothing.

Too bad we can't reallocate the money the state is taking away from those asshats to the honest EBT users who shopped that day and didn't steal.
This is not anti-poor. This is crime-doesn't-pay. And I hope the stores remember next time to stick to their $50 limits--they lost a lot of money on this.

Every single person who spent more EBT money than they had in their account should lose their entitlements FOREVER. Criminals don't deserve assistance from the taxpayers.

I love a good 'binary view of the world and no consideration for the negative consequences that will result" farker.

What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?


Get a job?
 
2013-11-13 07:35:52 PM  

chewd: AmbassadorBooze: My internal world

...is a horrible place filled with awful people.


You are correct.  No argument.  Luckily my internal world is stuck where it is.  Except when it spills over onto fark comments pages.
 
2013-11-13 07:36:55 PM  

Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"


A refund is for the overpayment of taxes, generally. I get one and I definitely pay thousands in Fed. income tax. The problem is that my state requires my exemptions on the W-4 you file to be the same as the Federal. However, my state doesn't recognize the many exemptions and tax credits that the Feds do. As a result I usually owe my state a couple hundred dollars but receive a refund check from the Feds.
 
2013-11-13 07:46:35 PM  

SouthParkCon: libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111

Preach on....


It's a myth that the middle class doesn't care about the rich stealing. Just because we are pissed off about one thing doesn't mean we condone the other. This story isn't about the rich though, this is a different discussion.
 
2013-11-13 07:48:57 PM  
memecrunch.com
 
2013-11-13 08:00:35 PM  

MyRandomName: libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111

Umm... last I checked assistance programs were in the trillion a year area...


Check again, because you're really, really wrong.
 
2013-11-13 08:00:58 PM  

Anne.Uumellmahaye: Ugh. On one hand GOOD.
On the other hand a lot of those people are going to have families and now we've got a gaggle of children who won't have food at home for the month.
On a third hand if my mom did something that lost us our grocery money, then tough shiate, figure it out yourself.
On a fourth hand my mom had the know-how to be able to procure food for her family, the sense of sacrifice to go without for herself to be able to feed her children, and wasn't raised in a culture that taught her to be dependent on and expectant of others to meet basic needs.
On a fifth hand my comment now has five hands and is turning into a scary mutant and I'm sure I've pissed off 1,000 people with my Mutant Five-Handed Comment Monster.

This isn't a clear cut issue, I believe.


What are you outta your head??! Ooh, sorry. I forgot.
 
2013-11-13 08:05:14 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: According to this, hourly employees had their hours cut to make up the losses Walmart incurred.

/grain of salt, consider the source, etc etc.


That particular email rant is likely coming from the lowest person on the store's totem pole; if he genuinely thinks that his manager didn't get called to the floor to grovel in front of his regional managers while HR asks him why he shouldn't be canned immediately, the writer is a goddam idiot. That manager made national headlines and not in a good way, which is always a career limiting move.

He'll never be promoted again unless he's otherwise a rock star, and given his actions that day, he isn't. If he sticks around, he'll be shuffled from store to store and eventually sent to the lowest performing store so they can shiatcan him for not making numbers.

Retail is even more cruel and cutthroat as you go higher up the ladder.
 
2013-11-13 08:12:43 PM  

James10952001: SouthParkCon: libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111

Preach on....

It's a myth that the middle class doesn't care about the rich stealing. Just because we are pissed off about one thing doesn't mean we condone the other. This story isn't about the rich though, this is a different discussion.


James10952001: If you choose to let poor fraudsters starve, and their children as well, while your "punishment" for rich fraudsters is to give them even more money, then you aren't pissed at the rich, you just push the shiat you're given by them down to people who are even worse of than you, so you actually know how wrong the rich are and you choose to act worse on people who can't handle that. That makes you evil.

Give the people who overran their food cards the same punishment bankers have gotten for collecting illegal fees or foreclosing on homes that aren't behind on dues, adjusted for the damage done, and you'll have a fair punishment.
 
2013-11-13 08:16:51 PM  
*walks into thread...reads comments...sighs for humanity...leaves thread*
 
2013-11-13 08:17:27 PM  

I know more than you: James10952001: SouthParkCon: libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111

Preach on....

It's a myth that the middle class doesn't care about the rich stealing. Just because we are pissed off about one thing doesn't mean we condone the other. This story isn't about the rich though, this is a different discussion.

James10952001: If you choose to let poor fraudsters starve, and their children as well, while your "punishment" for rich fraudsters is to give them even more money, then you aren't pissed at the rich, you just push the shiat you're given by them down to people who are even worse of than you, so you actually know how wrong the rich are and you choose to act worse on people who can't handle that. That makes you evil.

Give the people who overran their food cards the same punishment bankers have gotten for collecting illegal fees or foreclosing on homes that aren't behind on dues, adjusted for the damage done, and you'll have a fair punishment.


I want the fines on rich assholes to be huge.  Not 25% of the ill-gained profits (which makes the government a partner in the crime since they are getting a cut).  And there needs to be prison time.  Not for the poor schmuck who was set up for the corporation.  I want to see some CEOs and board members getting three hots and a cot and not at some privately ran prison-spa.

The would apply to elected officials who get caught with their hands in the cookie jar.  No more "resigned to spend more time with his family" crap.
 
2013-11-13 08:23:06 PM  
The people who didn't commit theft have nothing to worry about regarding losing their benefits.  The children will live.
/those that looted and stole will have to make the SSI check stretch.
//once people feel they are entitled, they'll just take what they want.
 
2013-11-13 08:30:52 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: I know that this blog sucks and all, but the quality of writing is atrocious, even for a bagger blog:

Governor Jindal's move comes after public urging from the office of the Louisiana Attorney General, David Vitter.

Sen. David Vitter urged Louisiana officials Wednesday to pursue charges and strip food stamp benefits from Wal-Mart shoppers in north Louisiana who turned a technical glitch into a free shopping spree.
Vitter, R-La., called for state Attorney General Buddy Caldwell

Ugh.


How does that asshole still have a career in politics?

Ah, who am I kidding? He's a Republican, so people seem to conveniently forget his previous shenanigans.
 
2013-11-13 08:31:43 PM  

Silverstaff: Tigger:

I love a good 'binary view of the world and no consideration for the negative consequences that will result" farker.

What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?

I think the Republicans think that they'll magically become bootstrappy and hard-working since they won't be depending on Government help keeping them down. . .that or they'll just plain die.   In any case, they see it as not their problem anymore.

That's what it comes down to, they genuinely don't care about the poor.  They don't care if they live or die, if they go hungry or not, they assume the poor are that way because they are lazy or immoral and if they were good people they'd have more money.


You really believe that?

You are messed up man...
 
2013-11-13 08:33:33 PM  
The last time I was unemployed I did EBT in MD.  I got a whole $18 / month.  Since the store would just apply what you had first I never kept track of the amount.  I might have accidentally done this if it happened while I was shopping.  Not to the tune of what they are doing, I always paid for the rest from my UE.
 
2013-11-13 08:45:10 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: And on the other hand, people should know that in the event of a major cluster dark, you don't get to keep the money that was erroneously given to you. Have your paycheck direct deposited? Guess what, if the payroll people or the bank make an oopsie with a decimal point they actually have a short window of a couple days to debit the extra money right back out of your account. Get a bank statement that says you have a billion dollars? You'd better cash out and move to Bolivia before they catch on and correct it. This is a classic case of people seeing an error and thinking it means "Hey, free money!" and frankly, they should know better. It's really as dishonest as noticing a cashier giving you a twenty back in change instead of a five and not correcting them.


There are people who sincerely, passionately believe that they should get to keep that money. They're outraged when the mistakenly credited money is taken out of their accounts, I've seen it. "uh-uh, if it's their mistake, they have to let you keep it, they can't take money out of your account once it's in there."

I used to work in a field where most of my co-workers were not very educated and not very bright (lots of fun trying to manage!). They are quite certain about so many things that are just wrong. And you can't explain to them that they're wrong, because then "you think you're better than me because you went to college." They were outraged when income taxes were deducted from a bonus check, lot's of "they can't do that" and complaints about messing with "my" money.
 
2013-11-13 08:51:31 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: I know that this blog sucks and all, but the quality of writing is atrocious, even for a bagger blog:

Governor Jindal's move comes after public urging from the office of the Louisiana Attorney General, David Vitter.

Sen. David Vitter urged Louisiana officials Wednesday to pursue charges and strip food stamp benefits from Wal-Mart shoppers in north Louisiana who turned a technical glitch into a free shopping spree.
Vitter, R-La., called for state Attorney General Buddy Caldwell

Ugh.


Regardless of how I feel about this matter - and my family was on food stamps about two years ago, for around six months after AT&T laid me off - those people were behaving in a disgusting manner, Wal-Mart should have to eat their losses, the recipients SHOULD be suspended from the program...

Then again, Jindal is a fundie wanna-be exorcist, Vitter is a whoremongering hypocrite, and Caldwell is an asshat of the first degree, and becomes more of a dangerous moron by association with the previous two.

FARK, Louisiana, we deserve better than this.
 
2013-11-13 08:51:35 PM  

TrixieDelite: WTFDYW: Hope they loaded up on non perishables. They may need it.


Like Legos and a Kindle Fire and Lee Press-On Nails and a Roomba? Like those things?


EBT cards are for food-only. Sometimes they can have a little bit of money on there for certain things like diapers, but typically not.
 
2013-11-13 08:56:27 PM  

unreasonable ass: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Barfmaker: Even though the accepted policy is to allow benefits recipients to purchase $50 worth of groceries in the event that cards malfunction, many stores did not limit purchases.


So the stores got their money but no punishment for them?

Yeah, this. I say they eat the overages, just like they'd do with other forms of fraud that they don't bother to prevent.

Geez .. does nobody read the farking articles

WALMART HAS TO ABSORB THE LOSSES

damnit, I didn't want to yell but shiat .. read a few lines of the article or maybe read the farking comments in this thread


Heh, you're new here, welcome to Fark dot jpeg.
 
2013-11-13 09:01:14 PM  

Phins: DrunkWithImpotence: And on the other hand, people should know that in the event of a major cluster dark, you don't get to keep the money that was erroneously given to you. Have your paycheck direct deposited? Guess what, if the payroll people or the bank make an oopsie with a decimal point they actually have a short window of a couple days to debit the extra money right back out of your account. Get a bank statement that says you have a billion dollars? You'd better cash out and move to Bolivia before they catch on and correct it. This is a classic case of people seeing an error and thinking it means "Hey, free money!" and frankly, they should know better. It's really as dishonest as noticing a cashier giving you a twenty back in change instead of a five and not correcting them.

There are people who sincerely, passionately believe that they should get to keep that money. They're outraged when the mistakenly credited money is taken out of their accounts, I've seen it. "uh-uh, if it's their mistake, they have to let you keep it, they can't take money out of your account once it's in there."

I used to work in a field where most of my co-workers were not very educated and not very bright (lots of fun trying to manage!). They are quite certain about so many things that are just wrong. And you can't explain to them that they're wrong, because then "you think you're better than me because you went to college." They were outraged when income taxes were deducted from a bonus check, lot's of "they can't do that" and complaints about messing with "my" money.


I know exactly what you mean.  I used to do payroll for a temp agency that dealt mainly with blue collar contracts- warehouse workers, oil field guys, et cetera.  We had to call the cops a couple times when irate employees tried to insist we were "screwing them".  And no, we weren't, as long as I was there at least, we followed the law and ran the operation completely above board.

But the "white college boy in a tie and an office" thing just seemed to set off some sort of nerve.  Even though, to be honest, most of them were getting paid better than I was.
 
2013-11-13 09:03:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: As always, it's going to be the kids of the crooks who end up suffering, which is sad.

I don't feel sorry for the crooks, just the kids.


That is a simple solution.  You don't feed your kids, your kids get taken away from you.  I'm not going to say it will happen, but do thieves really make the best role models?
 
2013-11-13 09:07:41 PM  

Southern100: DrunkWithImpotence: Actually, if I were governor, I'd be punishing both sides.  It appears that the rule states that the cards are limited to fifty dollars in the event of a system malfunction.  I can see the cashiers ringing stuff, but pretty quickly it should have been apparent to management what was going on.  They chose to let people do it though, since hey, a sale is a sale.  I don't know how much it would hurt, but how about revoking certain stores participation in the program?  Like they do when they catch bodegas trading food stamps for cigarettes.

Can you imagine the outrage if a store like Walmart were dropped from the program?  How many thousands, if not millions of people would be affected because in some cases there ARE no other stores (except gas stations) in a neighborhood that accept SNAP?

No, dropping them wouldn't be a good solution; making them liable for their own losses works for me.

Now, if they're cutting hours to cover the loses (as a few other posters have implicated), that's not right either.. but short of a class action lawsuit (and we all know how well THOSE turn out -- for the lawyers, anyway), I'm not sure what could be done about that one..


Actually, your point is possibly the greatest reason I think Walmart is truly evil.  Beyond screwing over suppliers and employees and customers.  They do that because they can.  It's like the Company Store in the old days sometimes.  No one dares yank their chain because they have some small communities by the throat, there is *no* real competition in some places.  The have the clout to just close up and walk away, just to send  *a message* to cities, and even some states.  I'm not even sure Louisiana could realistically get away with fining them, not given the pressure they can exert.

So yeah, the stupid greedy poor people get screwed, and the smart greedy rich people walk away with a bucket of money.
 
2013-11-13 09:08:03 PM  
They should just make the offenders work at Wal-Mart until they work off the debt.

Or even better, work in the government offices that are struggling financially. In so many cities, there are no budgets for libraries, custodial staff or waste management. Make the people who stole the food/money work off their debt in the library or cleaning the fire station or doing clerical work at the DMV. There are plenty of state agencies that could use some free labor.
 
2013-11-13 09:16:38 PM  

HillshirefarmsGOMEAT: They should just make the offenders work at Wal-Mart until they work off the debt.

Or even better, work in the government offices that are struggling financially. In so many cities, there are no budgets for libraries, custodial staff or waste management. Make the people who stole the food/money work off their debt in the library or cleaning the fire station or doing clerical work at the DMV. There are plenty of state agencies that could use some free labor.


Good way to ensure employees that work for a living lose their jobs.
 
2013-11-13 09:31:02 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: Phins: DrunkWithImpotence: And on the other hand, people should know that in the event of a major cluster dark, you don't get to keep the money that was erroneously given to you. Have your paycheck direct deposited? Guess what, if the payroll people or the bank make an oopsie with a decimal point they actually have a short window of a couple days to debit the extra money right back out of your account. Get a bank statement that says you have a billion dollars? You'd better cash out and move to Bolivia before they catch on and correct it. This is a classic case of people seeing an error and thinking it means "Hey, free money!" and frankly, they should know better. It's really as dishonest as noticing a cashier giving you a twenty back in change instead of a five and not correcting them.

There are people who sincerely, passionately believe that they should get to keep that money. They're outraged when the mistakenly credited money is taken out of their accounts, I've seen it. "uh-uh, if it's their mistake, they have to let you keep it, they can't take money out of your account once it's in there."

I used to work in a field where most of my co-workers were not very educated and not very bright (lots of fun trying to manage!). They are quite certain about so many things that are just wrong. And you can't explain to them that they're wrong, because then "you think you're better than me because you went to college." They were outraged when income taxes were deducted from a bonus check, lot's of "they can't do that" and complaints about messing with "my" money.

I know exactly what you mean.  I used to do payroll for a temp agency that dealt mainly with blue collar contracts- warehouse workers, oil field guys, et cetera.  We had to call the cops a couple times when irate employees tried to insist we were "screwing them".  And no, we weren't, as long as I was there at least, we followed the law and ran the operation completely above board.

But the "white college boy in a ...


" Now you listen here. I've been telling you since you were four years old, it's okay to be smarter than everybody else but you can't go around pointing it out. "
                                                                        Mary Cooper
 
2013-11-13 09:33:51 PM  
Why don't they do this with the Defense Department?  When some greedy contractor absconds with a billion dollars, they should cut off all funding of the military.  Think of the money we'd save!!
 
2013-11-13 09:39:39 PM  

Oakenhelm: sabreWulf07: Great_Milenko: It's a good thing they have such a good xian governor down there to put them back in their places.

What?  He's a dirty papist what takes his orders from a king in a pointy hat.  America will never elect a Catholic president, his loyalties would always be in question.

Also, do NOT read the comments on that article.

Kennedy was Catholic.


At first I thought that was sarcasm, but you're probably right.
 
2013-11-13 09:46:42 PM  
Instead of cutting of benefits to people who may need to feed children with the credits, why doesn't the govenor just give the offerenders the chance to admit responsibility and appologise as a first step toward "justice".

The store was stupid for letting the shoppers spend money not on their account.  The customers did, however, do wrong.  Instead of going to a somewhat harsh punishment, especially since it looks like the government doesn't have to pay for the mistake, why not just give people the chance to fess up and move on?
 
2013-11-13 09:47:52 PM  
For many years my tax dollars have been subsidizing food stamps and other entitlements yet not one recipient has sent me a thank you card


/The nerve of some people.
 
2013-11-13 09:50:28 PM  
You know if Walmart had just stuck to the rules there would be no problem, folks would not have come in to loot the store with multiple shopping carts because it would not have been worth it.  Would some people overrun their cards certainly, but but less than $50, and this could have been taken care of by adjustments to the next month or two instead of banning people outright which you know is just going to hurt the kids (and I hate saying "why won't someone thing of the children").

The people who did this bought stuff for themselves, and with the loss of their EBT it is the kids who will suffer because none of these clowns has the brains to actually buy food on a budget, hence the need for school lunch programs and things like blessings in a backpack.
 
2013-11-13 10:27:50 PM  

HeadLever: Steal - you may want to look that definition up regarding context of that first use.  It does not matter if you are rich, poor or middle of the road - stealing is wrong.


Except, in philosophy courses you'll learn, it's generally accepted that stealing food to feed your children is less of a crime than stealing money to add a 14th bathroom to your house.  (That's what made me so angry when Martha Stewart claimed it wasn't a big deal she was insider trading because the amount of money involved wasn't that big a deal to her.)

Here is my argument, if I'm defending these people... the government is in shutdown mode and you are worried you aren't going to get benefits for a while, and suddenly someone tells you you can get lots of food.  What's worse, it looks like there is a run on the supermarket (and people get in a panicky mode).  So, the question becomes, if the system was down, did Walmart still have a way to keep track of what was bought?  Okay then, charge them for what they bought.  On a food stamp sort of budget that is still going to hurt people who bought Ho-Hos, since the Ho-Hos are probably long gone, but it's probably manageable, and it's exactly proportional to the how much was stolen.  It also is much simpler administratively.  You just give them a negative balance based on what they spent.  When their benefits pay it off, fine, they have paid what they took.  In the meantime, give a little more to the food pantries, because these people will be looking to feed their kids, and nothing is as humiliating or degrading as having to eat Cheriopes or Ross Crispies off brand food, and that's what the way we give out Welfare is ultimately about... making sure poor people know that we are giving them handouts because we are good people and they are failures.
 
2013-11-13 10:53:15 PM  
How dare the poor people attempt to get food beyond a bare minimum for survival. The nerve of those people.
 
2013-11-13 11:12:57 PM  

HoratioGates: it's generally accepted that stealing food to feed your children is less of a crime than stealing money to add a 14th bathroom to your house.


They were not stealing to feed thier childern.  The EBT system was not going away anytime soon and they knew they could feed thier kids in the future.  These folks were greedy and taking advantage of the glitch to thier own personal gain.

In fact, by willingly committing fraud and theft, they were placeing thier kids in greater danger of starving than doing nothing.
 
2013-11-13 11:16:28 PM  

HoratioGates: HeadLever: Steal - you may want to look that definition up regarding context of that first use.  It does not matter if you are rich, poor or middle of the road - stealing is wrong.

Except, in philosophy courses you'll learn, it's generally accepted that stealing food to feed your children is less of a crime than stealing money to add a 14th bathroom to your house.  (That's what made me so angry when Martha Stewart claimed it wasn't a big deal she was insider trading because the amount of money involved wasn't that big a deal to her.)

Here is my argument, if I'm defending these people... the government is in shutdown mode and you are worried you aren't going to get benefits for a while, and suddenly someone tells you you can get lots of food.  What's worse, it looks like there is a run on the supermarket (and people get in a panicky mode).  So, the question becomes, if the system was down, did Walmart still have a way to keep track of what was bought?  Okay then, charge them for what they bought.  On a food stamp sort of budget that is still going to hurt people who bought Ho-Hos, since the Ho-Hos are probably long gone, but it's probably manageable, and it's exactly proportional to the how much was stolen.  It also is much simpler administratively.  You just give them a negative balance based on what they spent.  When their benefits pay it off, fine, they have paid what they took.  In the meantime, give a little more to the food pantries, because these people will be looking to feed their kids, and nothing is as humiliating or degrading as having to eat Cheriopes or Ross Crispies off brand food, and that's what the way we give out Welfare is ultimately about... making sure poor people know that we are giving them handouts because we are good people and they are failures.


IF YOU DON'T WANT WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN, GET THE FARK OUT OF LINE.
 
2013-11-13 11:19:45 PM  

starsrift: How dare the poor people attempt to get food beyond a bare minimum for survival. The nerve of those people.


There is no GET. There is EARN.
 
2013-11-13 11:19:56 PM  

starsrift: How dare the poor people attempt to get food beyond a bare minimum for survival. The nerve of those people.


Now they will be getting 3 round meals a day while in prison.  Too bad they can't feed thier kids while behind bars.  If they wanted to get additional food, maybe they should have worked within legal means.
 
2013-11-13 11:29:12 PM  

lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.


Unlike the parents who deliberately cheated, thus risking their benefits.
 
2013-11-13 11:32:10 PM  

Silverstaff: HeadLever: Tigger: What do you think all those desperate starving people will do when they lose their assistance forever?

Move to North Dakota and get a real job?

. . .because people who can't even afford food to eat can afford to move their entire family across the country to another state and get work in an industry where they have no experience or training, with no guarantee of work once they got there.

Yeah, that's a great plan.

/sarcasm.


6/10
 
2013-11-13 11:33:12 PM  

gilgigamesh: MemeSlave: It's a vast conspiracy for those with wealth to want to stop giving it away with nothing in return? What sick planet do you live on where this that's expected?

They absolutely get something in return: not being dragged from their homes by angry, starving mobs to have their severed heads jammed onto a spike.

Public welfare is the price we pay for a peaceful, modern society. Given the return on investment, I'm surprised so many constantly gripe at the cost.


Or we just kill the poor and have a peaceful, modern society.
 
2013-11-13 11:40:13 PM  

cc_rider: Here's a more recent study:

Low Wages at a Single Wal-Mart Store Cost Taxpayers about $1 Million Every Year

http://democrats.edworkforce.house.gov/press-release/low-wages-singl e- wal-mart-store-cost-taxpayers-about-1-million-every-year-says-new


In other words, Wal-Mart is engaging in rent seeking behavior.  Eliminating state benefits for people employed at companies over a certain size would go far in fixing this.  Wal-mart's "edge" would be eliminated and they would either have to pay more OR deal with a workforce exodus or worse (for them), a unionized workforce.
 
2013-11-13 11:50:22 PM  
canceling the benefits cards for every person suspect [sic] of participating

Suspected not convicted.  This is why Kenny is a jerk.

/dude, your blog still sucks
 
2013-11-13 11:58:34 PM  

Gentoolive: walrusonion: As someone who works 40/hrs a week and pays taxes but begrudgingly still had to get EBT (a whole $86 dollars a month) I am very happy these scumbags are getting punished.

When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"


Most people get only a partial refund of the amount withheld for taxes, so they do indeed pay taxes.
 
2013-11-14 12:16:41 AM  

JuicePats: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Wal-Mart lost a shiatton of money on the deal.


no, no they did not. they said that their decision was a bad one that they would fix, so the state lost nothing.  however, this was not a national problem, so you can bet your ASS what they DID do was sell those markets' payroll budget's left kidney, making stores cut hours, which is the only way to end up with less money spent to cover wages and benefits to make their budgeted payroll numbers work...  you can also bet the prices on alot of their rapidly changing product like clothing, meat dairy and produce, etc.  has gone up as well.  black friday sale prices are probably adding to the profit as well...

that being said, the cut hours also means the hourly staff is having their paychecks cut.  not their wages, because they can't do that unless your position changes, but the end-result paycheck.  this means you're going to have more walmart employees finally saying "fark it" and applying (and easily qualifying) for benefits.  same goes for any public assistance that would allow them to still retain insurance benefits...

HairyNevus: ferretman: [imokaywiththis.jpg]
Me three (or 18th or whatever). I worked at a grocery store for 2.5 years, and EBT users were the most self-entitled brats you could possibly serve. Not every EBT user was, but of the worst customers (especially the repeat offenders) 95% were also EBT users. Basic things like telling them prepared meals weren't food-stampable would lead to a hissy fit where I would get threatened and by the time my boss showed up, they'd just key in the override and run away. Therefore, the fit was rewarded and an unlawful precedent was made. Funny thing was, I really liked working there, but EBT customers killed it for me.


umm, as mentioned up the thread with the comment about legos and press-on nails... no.  there is no override associated with ebt.  it is possible to get something with an odd barcode not associated with wic to have THAT approved, but if the inventory system does not consider something a FOOD item, it will under NO circumstances, charge it to ebt.  the wic one covers, say a new brand of bagged apples to be purchased if the barcode got skipped for the *W* tag when it got added to the system.  same thing happened when  skippy had their promotional spiderman peanut butter.  same exact item as the normal approved one, BUT- different upc, flagged as not approved.  (sorry, spiderman on the label does NOT disqualify it from meeting wic standards...)  that override then goes in the system so the folks in charge of groceries can tack the wic approval on.  but yeah, even if something doesn't scan or the upc won't key in, using the department key and price will still prevent an ebt card from purchasing it.  so regardless of the unlimited ebt, they still would have had to pay actual dollars for anything that wasn't food.  heck, a bunch of the energy drinks aren't even considered food items anymore, darn right anything hot and ready to eat won't work either...

/cashier story bro
 
2013-11-14 12:37:36 AM  

cynicalminion: JuicePats: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Wal-Mart lost a shiatton of money on the deal.

no, no they did not. they said that their decision was a bad one that they would fix, so the state lost nothing.  however, this was not a national problem, so you can bet your ASS what they DID do was sell those markets' payroll budget's left kidney, making stores cut hours, which is the only way to end up with less money spent to cover wages and benefits to make their budgeted payroll numbers work...  you can also bet the prices on alot of their rapidly changing product like clothing, meat dairy and produce, etc.  has gone up as well.  black friday sale prices are probably adding to the profit as well...

that being said, the cut hours also means the hourly staff is having their paychecks cut.  not their wages, because they can't do that unless your position changes, but the end-result paycheck.  this means you're going to have more walmart employees finally saying "fark it" and applying (and easily qualifying) for benefits.  same goes for any public assistance that would allow them to still retain insurance benefits...

HairyNevus: ferretman: [imokaywiththis.jpg]
Me three (or 18th or whatever). I worked at a grocery store for 2.5 years, and EBT users were the most self-entitled brats you could possibly serve. Not every EBT user was, but of the worst customers (especially the repeat offenders) 95% were also EBT users. Basic things like telling them prepared meals weren't food-stampable would lead to a hissy fit where I would get threatened and by the time my boss showed up, they'd just key in the override and run away. Therefore, the fit was rewarded and an unlawful precedent was made. Funny thing was, I really liked working there, but EBT customers killed it for me.

umm, as mentioned up the thread with the comment about legos and press-on nails... no.  there is no override associated with ebt.  it is possible to get something with an odd barcode not associated with wic to have THAT approved, but if the inventory system does not consider something a FOOD item, it will under NO circumstances, charge it to ebt.  the wic one covers, say a new brand of bagged apples to be purchased if the barcode got skipped for the *W* tag when it got added to the system.  same thing happened when  skippy had their promotional spiderman peanut butter.  same exact item as the normal approved one, BUT- different upc, flagged as not approved.  (sorry, spiderman on the label does NOT disqualify it from meeting wic standards...)  that override then goes in the system so the folks in charge of groceries can tack the wic approval on.  but yeah, even if something doesn't scan or the upc won't key in, using the department key and price will still prevent an ebt card from purchasing it.  so regardless of the unlimited ebt, they still would have had to pay actual dollars for anything that wasn't food.  heck, a bunch of the energy drinks aren't even considered food items anymore, darn right anything hot and ready to eat won't work either...

/cashier story bro


Yes, there is. Both for soda, energy drinks, and food prep ped on site and put in the coolers for grab 'n' go (the last of which is certainly not food-stampable). I know because my store actually sent out memos to employees saying we now had authority to over ride ourselves within reason. I'm not arguing it wasn't lazy management and unlawful, but it was the case.

Oh, and I wasn't arguing people in this case bought anything besides food with the glitch, the anecdote was tangential.
 
2013-11-14 01:07:24 AM  
HairyNevus:
Yes, there is. Both for soda, energy drinks, and food prep ped on site and put in the coolers for grab 'n' go (the last of which is certainly not food-stampable). I know because my store actually sent out memos to employees saying we now had authority to over ride ourselves within reason. I'm not arguing it wasn't lazy management and unlawful, but it was the case.
Oh, and I wasn't arguing people in this case bought anything besides food with the glitch, the anecdote was tangential.

not in the walmart system.  soda automatically qualifies for ebt, as does the deli's cold case, and some energy drinks do or do not (i think it has something to do with which brands they are).  so unless their operating systems vary from state to state, regardless of what you try to do from the cashier's side of the registers, you cannot make the system charge an item to ebt that it does not already consider to be food.  the receipts are even kind enough to include little "F"s behind the items it's charging to ebt so that if you DO have someone who says "what didn't get charged?" you can show them the list and figure out why they still owe you money (had MANY customers in that situation give stuff back, or realize that while they were ringing out, they had forgotten that they picked up toilet paper with their groceries)

pretty sure where you're at needs a system upgrade.  either that or you're somewhere where the company's not going to get biatchslapped by the state for charging ebt for non-food products

/alternately, i suppose the difference may be the flex spending? there's no such thing here, ebt's food only, but other states do provide money for other things, but even then, it still shouldn't be an override as much as it is "run your card again, but select ebt cash instead of ebt food and see if THAT covers it"

//either way, stealing or not, these people willfully misused their benefits, and state law provides penalties for that.  nobody's going to jail, since everything's been paid for one way or another... however, the "one-year, two-year, never again" suspension of benefits three-strike thing seems to be exactly the answer for it.
 
2013-11-14 01:36:35 AM  

HairyNevus: by the time my boss showed up, they'd just key in the override and run away.


your boss was a farking moron.

accepting SNAP for prepared food will get the store fined and banned from accepting SNAP payments
 
2013-11-14 01:43:18 AM  

Southern100: Perhaps if they only went after the obvious abusers (those who exceeded their limit by hundreds of dollars) I'd be more ok with it, but the article doesn't stipulate..


I would like to assume that is what is being done.

however Bobby Jindal is an insufferable coont so i cannot assume that to be the case.
 
2013-11-14 01:59:25 AM  
"Freedom" Outpost?

imageshack.us
 
2013-11-14 02:11:29 AM  

libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111


Wow. Aren't you a special brand of Special.

Ok Derpy, let's run you through this. Someday, you'll grow up to be a Grownup. As you may (or may not) know, Grownups get things call "jobs." (Well, most do, you, being special, might not.) Anyways, because these grownups have jobs, they make money. Money that the government takes a huge chunk out of to operate. Grownups aren't particularly happy about this, but it's a necessary evil. So when-

You know what? Fuggit. I just reread your comment and realized even if I made this a monosyllabic popup book, you wouldn't understand the concept.
 
2013-11-14 02:11:34 AM  

Lehk: Southern100: Perhaps if they only went after the obvious abusers (those who exceeded their limit by hundreds of dollars) I'd be more ok with it, but the article doesn't stipulate..

I would like to assume that is what is being done.

however Bobby Jindal is an insufferable coont so i cannot assume that to be the case.


it sounded like they're basically cutting off EVERYONE who went over, en masse, and the people in the "i thought i had sixty left" who only actually had fifty-something just have to call their case handler to have them call up their "overdraft statement" reasses, and reinstate it.
 
2013-11-14 02:34:45 AM  
Clearly SNAP is teh ebul zOMG SOOOOOOCIALISM! and needs to be abolished, while Monsanto continues to get those subsidies because Job Creators®.
 
2013-11-14 02:41:50 AM  

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You have a five handed comment monster, I have six fingers on my right hand.

I have three nipples, the three of us should start a death metal band!


and call it SHKARAMANGA
 
2013-11-14 05:23:26 AM  

unreasonable ass: Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.


Why not just have kept to the standard $50 limit when the system is down?
 
2013-11-14 05:28:19 AM  

Firethorn: unreasonable ass: Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.

Why not just have kept to the standard $50 limit when the system is down?


because profit.
 
2013-11-14 05:31:13 AM  
I'm of two minds on this.

Stealing is wrong.

Yet we haven't prosecuted the fraudulent bankers who stole the nation blind for their illegal actions, which involved trillions instead of hundreds.

However, if you're willing to prosecute Wall Street first, then I will be perfectly fine with going after the nickle and dime fraud we're talking about here.
 
2013-11-14 05:32:08 AM  

Firethorn: unreasonable ass: Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.

Why not just have kept to the standard $50 limit when the system is down?


seriously, whoever was in charge of saying "just go ahead and do it" is totally farked.  those stores now have probationary numbers for the quarter due to that profit loss.  walmart lost nothing.  the people working at those places are completely S.O.L.
 
2013-11-14 05:42:11 AM  

cynicalminion: Firethorn: unreasonable ass: Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.

Why not just have kept to the standard $50 limit when the system is down?

seriously, whoever was in charge of saying "just go ahead and do it" is totally farked.  those stores now have probationary numbers for the quarter due to that profit loss.  walmart lost nothing.  the people working at those places are completely S.O.L.


If you go back to the stories at the time, the employees in some stores called corporate to see what they should do when the EBT system stopped showing limits. Whoever they spoke to at Walmart corporate screwed up and instead of telling them to let people purchase 50 bucks worth of food, they told them just ignore the problem with EBT and let them get whatever they wanted.

Corporate screwed up.

Walmart had to eat the loss.
 
2013-11-14 06:05:19 AM  

BullBearMS: cynicalminion: Firethorn: unreasonable ass: Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.

Why not just have kept to the standard $50 limit when the system is down?

seriously, whoever was in charge of saying "just go ahead and do it" is totally farked.  those stores now have probationary numbers for the quarter due to that profit loss.  walmart lost nothing.  the people working at those places are completely S.O.L.

If you go back to the stories at the time, the employees in some stores called corporate to see what they should do when the EBT system stopped showing limits. Whoever they spoke to at Walmart corporate screwed up and instead of telling them to let people purchase 50 bucks worth of food, they told them just ignore the problem with EBT and let them get whatever they wanted.

Corporate screwed up.

Walmart had to eat the loss.


that's what i've been saying, they DIDN'T.  they said run with it, and when the state said they weren't paying for it, said "no problem, we'll just take it out of those stores' profit margins" to which the stores replied "ok, well looks like we're going to have to cut staffing and raise prices so we still have money"
 
2013-11-14 06:08:14 AM  

cynicalminion: Firethorn: unreasonable ass: Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.

Why not just have kept to the standard $50 limit when the system is down?

seriously, whoever was in charge of saying "just go ahead and do it" is totally farked.  those stores now have probationary numbers for the quarter due to that profit loss.  walmart lost nothing.  the people working at those places are completely S.O.L.



One thing the 'followup' article mentioned is that they cut the hours of all the hourly workers, thus harming them.  I don't disagree, but I can't help but think that the salaried types aren't getting off scott free either - I don't imagine Walmarts running such a loose shop normally that they can cut hours worked by X% without harming their own business - so I figure they're demanding more hours from the salaried types as opposed to cutting their wages, which is really hard to do.  They haven't lost any income, but are working a bunch of unpaid overtime.
 
2013-11-14 06:13:49 AM  

cynicalminion: hat's what i've been saying, they DIDN'T. they said run with it, and when the state said they weren't paying for it, said "no problem, we'll just take it out of those stores' profit margins" to which the stores replied "ok, well looks like we're going to have to cut staffing and raise prices so we still have money"


OK, so the management team is not getting a bonus this year.

I sincerely doubt Skippy at corporate is getting off scott free either.
 
2013-11-14 06:18:28 AM  

Firethorn: cynicalminion: Firethorn: unreasonable ass: Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.

Why not just have kept to the standard $50 limit when the system is down?

seriously, whoever was in charge of saying "just go ahead and do it" is totally farked.  those stores now have probationary numbers for the quarter due to that profit loss.  walmart lost nothing.  the people working at those places are completely S.O.L.


One thing the 'followup' article mentioned is that they cut the hours of all the hourly workers, thus harming them.  I don't disagree, but I can't help but think that the salaried types aren't getting off scott free either - I don't imagine Walmarts running such a loose shop normally that they can cut hours worked by X% without harming their own business - so I figure they're demanding more hours from the salaried types as opposed to cutting their wages, which is really hard to do.  They haven't lost any income, but are working a bunch of unpaid overtime.


the problem with that idea is that no-one below management pay-grade is salaried.  so those stores are likely to be the ones that will now have two registers open, three sales associates on the floor, one six-hour maintenance member for each shift, and five guys in the back trying to unload the truck and get the product out to the floor.  it's a downward spiral because now customer satisfaction goes down, people stop going there, the numbers get worse, and they have to cut back even further...
 
2013-11-14 06:20:37 AM  

BullBearMS: cynicalminion: hat's what i've been saying, they DIDN'T. they said run with it, and when the state said they weren't paying for it, said "no problem, we'll just take it out of those stores' profit margins" to which the stores replied "ok, well looks like we're going to have to cut staffing and raise prices so we still have money"

OK, so the management team is not getting a bonus this year.

I sincerely doubt Skippy at corporate is getting off scott free either.


skippy at corporate who said that, is most likely no longer at corporate.  corporate is in arkansas, however, and gives a giant walmart * about louisiana.
 
2013-11-14 06:44:40 AM  

unreasonable ass: It was reported that Walmart should have allowed only $50 to be purchased by any person. Walmart made the decision to not stop people from using the EBT system while it was down. The result is Walmart reportedly isn't being paid for their losses.

I have mixed feelings about this .. on one had, it isn't the kids fault that their parents are trying to loot the stores (did you see the aftermath, it was terrible), but it will be the kids who ultimately suffer.

that being said, if Walmart had told EBT customers "sorry the EBT system is down, no food for you" then we would be reading about how much Walmart hates poor people.

Walmart hates poor people though, so they should have just not let them use the EBT cards, they would be money ahead now.


Hang on let me feel sorry for walmart who don't pay their employees a living wage, thus creating the environment where their own employees have to utilize the EBT system to get by....oh man, you aren't getting paid for your losses? boo farking hoo, biatches.
 
2013-11-14 06:48:21 AM  

cynicalminion: BullBearMS: cynicalminion: hat's what i've been saying, they DIDN'T. they said run with it, and when the state said they weren't paying for it, said "no problem, we'll just take it out of those stores' profit margins" to which the stores replied "ok, well looks like we're going to have to cut staffing and raise prices so we still have money"

OK, so the management team is not getting a bonus this year.

I sincerely doubt Skippy at corporate is getting off scott free either.

skippy at corporate who said that, is most likely no longer at corporate.  corporate is in arkansas, however, and gives a giant walmart * about louisiana.


Cue up Oprah...

s.mlkshk.com

You get blame! You get blame! Plenty of blame for everyone!
 
2013-11-14 06:58:29 AM  

BullBearMS: cynicalminion: BullBearMS: cynicalminion: hat's what i've been saying, they DIDN'T. they said run with it, and when the state said they weren't paying for it, said "no problem, we'll just take it out of those stores' profit margins" to which the stores replied "ok, well looks like we're going to have to cut staffing and raise prices so we still have money"

OK, so the management team is not getting a bonus this year.

I sincerely doubt Skippy at corporate is getting off scott free either.

skippy at corporate who said that, is most likely no longer at corporate.  corporate is in arkansas, however, and gives a giant walmart * about louisiana.
Cue up Oprah...

[s.mlkshk.com image 500x286]

You get blame! You get blame! Plenty of blame for everyone!


sorry, can't afford to buy a vowel without foodstamps.  "B S!!!"
 
2013-11-14 08:21:08 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I noted when it happened: looting with your ID doesn't seem like a real great idea

/what could possibly go wrong?


Maybe this means that some walmart shopper on snap just aren't that bright?
 
2013-11-14 09:58:35 AM  

weemonkey: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Anne.Uumellmahaye: Mutant Five-Handed Comment Monster.

You have a five handed comment monster, I have six fingers on my right hand.

I have three nipples, the three of us should start a death metal band!


Keeping one in a jar on your nightstand doesn't count
 
2013-11-14 10:50:00 AM  
When the govt sends you that refund check every year, that is not "paying taxes"

I love it when people spout this old canard so much.
Person pays govt $10000.00 in income taxes.
Govt looks at everything, says "Hey, you only owed us $9000.00, so here's $1000.00 back. Thanks!"
Person gets $1000.00 income tax refund back.

Idiots look at this transaction and say "WHY YOU NO PAY TAXES??!?!?!?"
 
2013-11-14 11:33:44 AM  

keiverarrow: Honestly, that whole situation seemed to me like a staged incident.  when the EBT system went down, whose call was it to let everyone just have whatever they wanted?  The cashiers should have said no.


Wal-Mart has a policy of helping its employees sign up for food stamps rather than paying them a living wage. Is anybody surprised that the cashiers didn't feel particularly compelled to prevent people from over-spending when they themselves benefit recipients?

I have a really hard time getting worked up about this. They were buying food.
Food.
 
2013-11-14 11:57:09 AM  

libranoelrose: lockers: The punishment for abusing the system is to starve peoples kids. This makes people happy? Meanwhile all those companies who did not follow policy gets a pass? Man you guys are cruel and greedy.

Yes this makes people very happy.

Because poor people are only here to keep the middle class scared shiatless.


Credit your comedic sources, now. ↑ - George Carlin
 
2013-11-14 02:04:21 PM  
I predict Louisiana's unemployment numbers will decrease pretty soon here.
 
2013-11-14 05:36:06 PM  

Terrible Old Man: libranoelrose: I will never understand how people can be mad at poor people who catch a break.

The rich steal and they get the taxpayers to give them billions of dollars.

Poor people steal and the middle class morons get pissed off because the poor people are trying to steal their cookie!!!!111

Wow. Aren't you a special brand of Special.

Ok Derpy, let's run you through this. Someday, you'll grow up to be a Grownup. As you may (or may not) know, Grownups get things call "jobs." (Well, most do, you, being special, might not.) Anyways, because these grownups have jobs, they make money. Money that the government takes a huge chunk out of to operate. Grownups aren't particularly happy about this, but it's a necessary evil. So when-

You know what? Fuggit. I just reread your comment and realized even if I made this a monosyllabic popup book, you wouldn't understand the concept.


You aren't really talking about grown ups. You are talking about children that are the size of an adult, but don't understand that taxes are what pays for essential services to society.

I'll just go ahead and farky you as a child that doesn't want to learn to share.

Farking moron.

Geez, why don't you just leave Fark so we don't have to put up with your ignorance?
 
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